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01:28:08 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 03:00:54 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: http://www.2404.org the best pc gaming news :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 03:29:04 --> Morian_ has joined #instantbird 03:30:20 <-- Morian has quit (Ping timeout) 03:32:25 * Morian_ is now known as Morian 05:36:05 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 06:13:42 --> Morian_ has joined #instantbird 06:13:44 <-- rbezut has quit (Ping timeout) 06:14:46 --> rbezut has joined #instantbird 06:14:58 <-- Morian has quit (Ping timeout) 07:15:53 <-- rbezut has quit (Ping timeout) 07:16:10 --> Morian has joined #instantbird 07:16:48 --> rbezut has joined #instantbird 07:16:49 <-- Morian_ has quit (Ping timeout) 07:23:40 --> flo has joined #instantbird 07:23:40 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 07:55:11 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 08:42:20 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 08:47:10 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 09:54:56 --> Desiderius has joined #instantbird 11:11:51 <-- Desiderius has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]) 11:54:53 --> iLobster has joined #instantbird 11:57:37 --> Tro has joined #instantbird 13:19:41 <-- iLobster has left #instantbird () 13:51:29 --> flo has joined #instantbird 13:51:29 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 13:52:48 <flo> hey :) 13:52:59 <Tro> hi flo 14:04:17 <flo> Tro: look at the log of the conversation here yesterday evening. 14:04:55 <flo> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/091116/#m380 14:08:36 <Tro> Ok, I look. 14:09:22 <Tro> So it will be? 14:09:34 <Tro> in next releases? 14:11:56 <flo> we are still discussing the UI design 14:12:18 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 14:17:31 <Tro> bye 14:17:39 <-- Tro has left #instantbird () 14:50:01 --> Desiderius has joined #instantbird 15:31:39 <-- Desiderius has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.15/2009102815]) 15:38:23 --> iLobster has joined #instantbird 15:38:51 <iLobster> greetings 15:43:17 <flo> hi 15:49:49 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 15:49:57 <Mic> hej 15:50:01 <flo> hi :) 15:50:38 <iLobster> I've noticed Account_quickaccess4.png mockup. Looks good, but i think about width of buddy list windows. What if user use many different protocols, 10 or more? Sounds crazy but can be... So he will need to stretch window 15:54:36 <flo> it will probably be a bit like for the tabs. The status bar will display some of the accounts, and there will be a way to open a menu with all accounts. 15:59:16 <Mic> Eventually this should hold icons instead of labels on the buttons 15:59:48 <flo> Mic: what would you think of stacking several icons (with a small offset) when there are several accounts of the same protocol? 15:59:56 <Mic> maybe we could get down to 20px per (icon + border) that would make 200px total 16:00:03 <flo> we would do that using a canvas context instead of using image tags 16:00:04 <Mic> hmm, good idea 16:00:45 <Mic> what about two images? 16:01:08 <flo> I'm not sure of how good or bad that would look. Not sure if we need to play with perspective stuff, shadows, ... 16:01:26 <Mic> both grey = none, one coloured + one grey = some connected, both coloured = all connected 16:01:59 <Mic> we'll figure out 16:02:22 <Mic> What about the basic concept applied on the mockup? 16:02:25 <flo> why not :) 16:02:30 <iLobster> i look on status bar of buddy list with "standart" width (the width with it opens) - see place for about 9-10 icons 16:02:57 <flo> would you put the connected (coloured) or not connected (grey) on top? 16:03:00 <Mic> we need to take the case of too little space into account 16:03:14 <Mic> (no pun intended btw) 16:03:27 <flo> I think when one account has a connection error (and is likely to need attention), it should be on top 16:03:51 <Mic> I guess color on lowest level and grey on top would be easier to distinguish than vice versa 16:04:00 <flo> but when one is online and another just not connected, it doesn't really make sense to put the offline image on top 16:04:21 <Mic> I guess we just need to try how it looks 16:04:26 <flo> yeah 16:04:56 <iLobster> in create new account i see 13 different protocols (14, but 2 are yahoo), it's more than 10... and there can be more protocols from addons... 16:05:38 <flo> apparently we are not taking the issue from the same side. I was wondering "what needs the attention of the user?" (and an account that is voluntarily not connected doesn't), and it seems you were answering "what will be more readable when the user looks at it?" 16:05:38 <Mic> Maybe multiple rows? 16:06:24 <Mic> Let's talk about this another time, I'm at work right now 16:06:29 <flo> iLobster: you have exactly the same problem with tabs in conversation windows. There's an overflow, and a menu to see the whole list 16:08:25 <iLobster> multiple rows will get too many info, imho, and too many info in one small place is not good 16:12:34 <iLobster> btw, can i register on wiki and take part in discussion in brainstorm? 16:12:49 <iLobster> or it's closed section? 16:13:34 <flo> some pages are write protected (especially the roadmap), most are open 16:13:45 <iLobster> oki 16:32:50 <-- iLobster has left #instantbird () 16:34:37 <Mic> flo: your request for an extension is just a special case of "do *this* on *that event*" ;) 16:35:01 <flo> yeah... 16:35:58 <flo> the idea in my head was "code something as powerful (that is, with as many checkboxes :-P and drop downs) as what pidgin currently has, and we don't care if the UI is (very) poor, because it's an extension" 16:40:22 <flo> gtg! 16:40:33 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 17:02:54 <instantbot> Just appeared in Pidgin News - default : 17:02:55 <instantbot> http://theflamingbanker.blogspot.com/2009/11/quest-for-perfection.html - John Bailey: The Quest for Perfection 17:10:26 --> rbezut1 has joined #instantbird 17:11:18 <-- rbezut has quit (Ping timeout) 17:14:27 <-- Even has quit (Input/output error) 17:21:51 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 17:39:02 --> iLobster has joined #instantbird 17:43:07 <-- iLobster has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]) 17:55:52 --> Even has joined #instantbird 17:55:53 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 18:03:35 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 18:16:20 --> rbezut has joined #instantbird 18:17:58 <-- rbezut1 has quit (Ping timeout) 18:58:30 --> flo has joined #instantbird 18:58:30 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 18:58:57 <-- Even has quit (Input/output error) 19:26:34 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 19:34:14 <DGMurdockIII> have any of you used songbird 19:36:33 <-- rbezut has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 19:37:40 --> rbezut has joined #instantbird 19:37:58 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 19:40:00 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 19:44:03 --> Even has joined #instantbird 19:44:04 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 19:49:38 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Ping timeout) 20:09:56 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 20:11:55 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 20:24:59 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 20:25:04 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 20:25:48 <-- Even has quit (Input/output error) 20:33:26 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org granted review for attachment 234 on bug 231. 20:33:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=231 enh, --, 0.2b1, romain, RESO FIXED, Replace "connected" by "connected for XX minutes" 20:34:25 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> really? 20:35:41 <Morian> I granted review for myself :p 20:35:47 <Morian> for an already FIXED bug 20:35:52 <Mic> flo, Morian: is there something like a greyscale filter on images? 20:36:08 <Mic> I'd know how to do it on IE but that is of little use here ;) 20:36:12 <Morian> mmh, haven't seen such a thing 20:36:51 <Morian> oh you wsant to apply a grey filter 20:37:40 <Mic> Yes 20:38:34 <Mic> Does that change your answer? 20:38:46 <Morian> you can use a background color + opacity, but there may be a cleaner way to do it 20:53:36 --> NawMoz has joined #instantbird 20:55:25 --> rbezut1 has joined #instantbird 20:56:12 <-- rbezut has quit (Ping timeout) 20:59:41 <Mic> One more time: http://wiki.instantbird.org/File:Account_quickaccess5.png 21:00:03 <Mic> Make sure to read the explanation below if you're interested in discussing this 21:06:52 <Chaz6> Is it safe to update the win32 nightly now? 21:07:06 <flo> I think there's a way to obtain an grayscale filter using SVG filters 21:07:39 <flo> Chaz6: I think so. 21:07:57 <-- NawMoz has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 21:29:32 <flo> Comments about the mockup: 21:29:33 <flo> There are several ICQ accounts, why only one ICQ icon? 21:29:33 <flo> If this popup only displays information, then it can be a tooltip displayed when hovering the icon, so the icon will not look like a pressed button 21:29:33 <flo> I would have moved the icon in the back to the right, not to the left. I really don't know why though :). 21:30:43 <flo> I see the interactions of the users with this area of the UI a bit like the system tray on Windows. So there would be an informative popup. Some action (a menu poping up) when clicking, and another action (opening the account manager with the account selected?) when double clicking 21:35:01 <Chaz6> I like the kopete way, one icon per "Identity" and when you click it it shows all the accounts associated with that identity 21:35:41 --> Even has joined #instantbird 21:35:41 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 21:38:54 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 21:42:09 <Mic> The second icq icon is replaced by the exclamation mark 21:43:06 <Mic> It's not just a display-info-popup, it's an actual menu with altered menuitems 21:43:31 <Mic> Like the systray on the righthand side .. why not 21:46:06 <Mic> The menu implies that there is an onclick-action (connect/disconnect in my opinion) 22:09:50 <Mic> We could put an icon for each account there maybe (just an extra icon on the button, not a separate button) 22:12:25 <Mic> Would look like this: http://wiki.instantbird.org/File:Account_quickaccess6_sketch_%28small%29.png 22:59:55 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has left #instantbird () 23:03:19 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 23:15:33 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 23:15:35 <flo> "an icon for each account there maybe" I thought this was the idea. With a max number of icon of the same protocol (2 or 3). And the "/!\" icon would be above the icon representing the account if there's an error 23:58:51 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird