#instantbird log on 11 13 2009

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04:09:22 <MattATobin> hello
04:09:32 <MattATobin> anyone alive?
04:09:38 <Chaz6> Hi there
04:09:54 <MattATobin> hey
04:11:05 <MattATobin> im sure you know of the seamonkey project... the revamped xulrunner rewritten version of the mozilla suite which was the basis for netscape comminicator 6 and 7 correct?
04:11:40 <Chaz6> Yes
04:12:03 <MattATobin> im trying to convence the seamonkey team that like how netscape included a version of aim in their communicator it may be a good idea to include a version of instantbird in seamonkey for a more well rounded all in one suite
04:12:36 <MattATobin> im just a lowly poweruser but i think it would be interesting
04:14:05 <MattATobin> atleast able to have the instantbird contact list in the seamonkey sidebar
04:14:05 <MattATobin> btw if you haddnt guessed i am very impressed with instantbird
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04:16:09 <Chaz6> flo is the project leader, most of us are in europe and it is early in the morning here
04:16:22 <MattATobin> ah
04:18:07 <MattATobin> how long has instantbird been in development?
04:19:48 <Chaz6> Around a year now I think, but i am very tired :)
04:21:07 <MattATobin> that is pretty amazing actualy the amount of progress for just a year or so
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14:54:01 topic changed by sand.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2a1. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/latest-trunk/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/."
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16:09:22 <GeekShadow> Morian_: donne moi ton mail ;)
16:24:24 <GeekShadow> Morian_: j'ai trouvé, c'est envoyé
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17:27:06 <Morian> My Intenet access just sucks ... :(
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18:40:55 <Troy> You can change the default visual style of Instantbird Wiki so that it was more like MozillaWiki?
18:41:20 <Troy> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Gallery_of_user_styles#Cavendish
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19:26:23 <DGMurdockIII> hi
19:27:53 <DGMurdockIII> google talk is still making instantbird to crash on me when it connect even if i have it set to connect on start up or even if i connect to it if i have it set to now connect on start up
19:37:50 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): you around
19:47:13 <MattATobin> [091113.1447] * [flo] idle 01:26:18, signon: Fri Nov 13 13:20:43
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19:56:26 <Mic> re
20:04:16 <Mic> "Open new conversations in tabs" option is confusing in my opinion
20:04:30 <Mic> Especially in combination with the MUC option
20:05:36 <Mic> You're mentioning both tabs and windows at once
20:06:26 <Mic> I would replace it with a drop down box
20:07:33 <Mic> "Open new conversations in [ tabs | separate windows]"
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20:39:10 <DGMurdockIII> 2(Mic2): hey man where have you been and dont think the options right now is 100% done it just getting the basic implemtation in the app
20:40:02 <DGMurdockIII> 2(Mic2): you might be able to help me i have been crashing like crazy when connecting to google talk
20:41:06 <Mic> I'm quite busy but I usually follow what's going on
20:42:34 <DGMurdockIII> with what school
20:42:44 <Mic> I'm fully aware that the preferences dialog is getting fine-tuning right now
20:43:21 <Mic> What I wrote above was a suggestion how to improve it, nothing more nothing less
20:43:52 <Mic> I've started doing my final year thesis at university
20:46:38 <DGMurdockIII> i just gessed it was i did not even now it was added till you said somthing see last week i was in florida visting my grangma who was go in for surgery on her colon she had about 10 inches removed
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21:01:19 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 274 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
21:01:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=274 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Privacy mode
21:04:43 <Mic> btw maybe we could use a "Preferences window" component on bugzilla now
21:07:41 <rbezut> good idea
21:09:09 <Mic> I guess purplexpcom components could use a look at it as well
21:11:17 <Mic> e.g. Why is the Netsoul protocol so important that it got an own item there?
21:11:39 <Mic> "Builtin protocol" or "Protocol extension" could be useful
21:12:28 <flo> Mic: there used to be lots of bug in Netsoul. And given how unmaintained the official plugin was, I had to fix that mostly myselft
21:12:40 <Mic> ah
21:12:41 <flo> we don't fix bugs in other protocol plugins which are handled by the Pidgin team
21:13:41 <flo> well, we fix crashes and some very serious bugs. But we send them the patches so that they are integrated in the next version of libpurple. So I use their bug tracker for that, not our bugzilla
21:13:53 <Mic> Do other users know that as well?
21:17:13 <flo> users of what? Bugzilla? Netsoul? Instantbird?
21:17:44 <Mic> Instantbird
21:18:17 <Mic> Someone experiences a problem with a protocol and what's the place he might report it (if he even does it report at all?)
21:19:03 <Mic> Maybe put a note on the Product selection screen that protocol issues go to the pidgin bugtracker then?
21:22:50 <flo> they report it to us
21:22:59 <flo> and we report the real issues/patches to the pidgin bug tracker
21:23:12 <flo> sometimes the issue can be caused by something in Instantbird
21:24:19 <Mic> well, nevermind
21:24:41 <Mic> I just thought it might be useful if users want to report problems of such a kind
21:25:15 <Mic> -nevermind +whatever
21:28:23 <Mic> btw I added a bunch of things on the prefwindow article
21:28:27 <flo> we are clearly not going to ask Instantbird users to ask anything to the pidgin team. That would be ridiculous :)
21:30:23 <Mic> "Open account manager" / "Autoconnect" is not intended as a strict either/or option, is it?
21:32:42 <flo> well, "Open account manager" is "do not connect automatically, let me do it manually from the account manager"
21:33:18 <flo> I think I wanted to add a 3rd option "start minimized in the system tray" there, but the code is definitely not ready for that feature
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21:35:25 <Mic> "22:24:41 - Mic: I just thought it might be useful […]" was referring to components on bugzilla by the way, not on the "redirect them to pidgin"-comment (just because your next remark picked that one up again)
21:38:30 <flo> well, we can add a component for "protocols", yes
21:45:12 <Mic> The "Manage search engines" dialog is not accessible from the preferences window right now
21:46:07 <Mic> It could get a button on the Advanced(General) tab
21:53:44 <flo> right!
22:03:29 <Mic> btw, the "done"/"ok"-checkmark on the wiki can be added now using a template via "{{ok}}"
22:05:30 <flo> cool! :)
22:08:43 <Mic> hehe, more a convenience change than anything else ;)
22:11:01 <flo> it will be more readable when editing the source!
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22:45:57 <Mic> flo: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/57
22:46:07 <Mic> That's a patch for the sound menuitem
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23:05:49 <Morian> (also, flo is "already" sleeping)
23:19:01 <Mic> hmm, ok
23:19:14 <Mic> Doesn't change anything I'd say ;)
23:20:16 <Morian> it was just for information
23:20:29 <Mic> thanks
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23:20:51 <DGMurdockIII> hi
23:21:01 <DGMurdockIII> 2(Hypnos2): how are u
23:21:05 <Hypnos> hi
23:21:15 <Hypnos> i've just started using instantbird
23:21:48 <Morian> hi
23:22:01 <Mic> Hello
23:23:01 <Hypnos> i have a question about instantbird
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23:23:07 <Hypnos> how is the buddy list rendered?
23:23:42 <Morian> actually it's a simple "list" of items
23:24:01 <Hypnos> i see. is it possible to change the "look" of the buddies?
23:24:09 <Hypnos> like adding buddy icons?
23:24:12 <Hypnos> easilY/
23:24:13 <Hypnos> ?
23:24:17 <Morian> GeekShadow: Merci !! J'étais pas devant mon PC quand tu me l'as envoyée ^^'
23:24:47 <Morian> Hypnos: not yet, we plan to change all of this for 0.3
23:25:17 <Morian> so that we can merge contacts, and maybe add new features as the one you describe
23:26:01 <Mic> https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Roadmap
23:26:06 <GeekShadow> Morian, ;)
23:26:32 <Mic> That's a roadmap that shows approximately what is hopefully included in which version to come
23:26:59 <Hypnos> how far have status messages come along?
23:27:01 <Mic> Contact handling is one of the things planned for 0.3
23:27:06 <Hypnos> i can see them with a mouse-over
23:27:11 <Hypnos> well i see it in 0.2 roadmap
23:27:20 <Hypnos> i am currently on 0.2a
23:28:14 <Morian> a LOT of things will come in 0.3, we are late for 0.2, and some features won't be "included" (the one marked as "maybe 0.3")
23:28:28 <Hypnos> oh i see
23:28:39 <Hypnos> is instantbird compatible with pidgin extensions?
23:28:50 <Morian> 0.2beta should be available within a few weeks, and 0.2 final mmmh, maybe for christmas ^^'
23:29:35 <Morian> pidgin's extensions are not compatible, it is technically possible to build instantbird with some pidgin extensions, but it's quite hard to do
23:29:56 <Hypnos> so xul extensions are the way to extend instantbird?
23:30:02 <Morian> yes
23:31:02 <Mic> Check out https://addons.instantbird.org for extensions
23:31:13 <Mic> There are some there already
23:31:27 <Mic> Themes for emoticons and message styles are treated as extensions as well
23:31:38 <Morian> by 0.3 we'll have Javascript protocol implementation, which means adding protocols with XUL/JS extensions
23:31:59 <Hypnos> oh ok
23:35:01 <Mic> Have a look at the wiki, there's information how to create extensions, themes, to compile (or just to get the code from the repository), useful links to hopefully most of the important pages of the project, ..
23:36:06 <Hypnos> yes i will read that
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