#instantbird log on 10 15 2009

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08:41:52 <Tro_> hi
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08:42:40 <flo> hi :)
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09:46:18 <flo> /away Parti manger
09:46:38 <flo> hmm
09:46:50 <flo> I should try to debug that someday :-D
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14:50:53 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/am-state-icons.png Thoughts? Ideas?
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15:23:40 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> what we looking at here flo?
15:23:53 <flo> the account manager ;)
15:24:51 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> those 4 icons make complete sense to me
15:29:11 <flo> another iteration: http://queze.net/goinfre/am-state-icons2.png (I moved the "sign-on at startup" things)
15:34:37 <DGMurdockIII> i like that
15:35:17 <DGMurdockIII> when will the add buddy window get fixed
15:38:34 <flo> I've got to go
15:38:36 <flo> see you later
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15:42:08 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> not that flo is here anymore, but I like version one better than version 2, with the sing on at start up on the right 
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16:04:37 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 257 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
16:04:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=257 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't necessarily save passwords / add prompt for password
16:08:43 <Morian> Mic: You want to be asked on each connection for your password ?
16:09:01 <Mic> yes, if I choose so ..
16:09:19 <Mic> Right now it doesn't connect if you don't set/save a password
16:09:40 <Morian> ok
16:09:49 <Mic> So there's a prompt for password missing.. (should I change it into a bug report instead?;)
16:10:36 <Mic> Right now I'm at university and I don't want to store my passwords here .. they're doing backups and such and no idea where they end up eventually
16:10:38 <Morian> ah, non
16:10:39 <Morian> no *
16:11:15 <Morian> you have installed instantbird on a computer at your university ?
16:11:37 <Mic> Define 'installed'
16:12:25 <Mic> I'm running it here, yes. It's sort of my own pc for doing my diploma thesis.
16:12:32 <Morian> ok
16:21:52 <Mic> With the -profile command line parameter Instantbird is quite portable as far as I call tell..
16:22:01 <Mic> I could as well just put it on a memory stick
16:22:11 <Morian> yes
16:45:16 <Mic> bbl
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17:09:19 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> Mic:"dipoma thesis at University," to make sure i am following teh UK Vs. US enlglihs, does that mean "doctoroal thesis at college"
17:11:45 <Morian> yes DetroitLibertyPenguin 
17:12:15 <Morian> (Mic has gone)
17:17:18 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> morian, I appreciate that
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18:45:10 <Mic> hello again
18:49:29 <flo> hey :)
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18:53:55 <Mic> http://queze.net/goinfre/am-state-icons.png
18:54:24 <Mic> I'd drop the connected and disconnected icon
18:54:31 <flo> why?
18:55:19 <Mic> Because dis/connected is already displayed/visible 
18:55:30 <flo> textualy
18:55:43 <Mic> visually
18:55:54 <flo> the whole point of the icon is to make it graphically visible so that we don't have to read when glancing quickly over the list
18:56:00 <Mic> at least for me disconnected icons are faded/greyed out
18:56:37 <Mic> And it's easily distinguishable from the connected state
18:59:05 <flo> I think I like the fact that the icon is a summary of the line of text that is just after it
19:00:32 <Mic> The IRC accounts might be exceptions on my last statement.. the already grey icon doesn't stand out much when connected
19:01:45 <flo> I'm not sure the average user would have the idea to look at the transparency of the icon to figure out if the account is online or not
19:03:29 <Mic> You think so?
19:03:45 <Mic> It clearly changes its appearance while connecting
19:04:10 <flo> when the whole account line (including the texts) is greyed out, it's probably visible. But for selected accounts, only the icon is changed
19:05:26 <Mic> hmm .. :S
19:06:06 <flo> I'd love to have "average user" glasses so that I can just look and check what the average user would see :)
19:06:38 <Mic> Not so good looking coloured circles? :P
19:09:04 <Mic> btw is that a new look on the Mac account manager?
19:09:23 <DGMurdockIII> yeah is that mac only
19:09:26 <flo> the screenshot is from my mac debug build
19:09:29 <DGMurdockIII> ok
19:09:47 <flo> I haven't attempted (yet!) to create related themes for the other OSes
19:10:34 <Mic> Did you move the icons to the other side as well while changing it?
19:11:24 <flo> I grouped the protocol icons and the account names so that it is possible to identify an account by looking at a single place in the window
19:11:52 <Mic> Unfortunately the items are pretty unbalanced now
19:17:30 <Mic> I didn't see http://queze.net/goinfre/am-state-icons2.png before ..
19:18:44 <Mic> comparing it to http://queze.net/goinfre/am-dlm.png I'm sorry to say that the old one looked much lighter ..
19:19:44 <Mic> .. now things are pretty tightly packed.
19:27:57 <flo> I'm not happy with the "Sign-on at startup" things
19:31:25 <Mic> http://queze.net/goinfre/am-state-icons2.png
19:31:38 <Mic> oops
19:32:58 <Mic> What is the goal of the account manager re-design btw?
19:34:12 <flo> less ugliness (especially on Mac), less wasted space, more clarity when glancing over the window to have an idea of the state of the various accounts
19:38:05 <Mic> The am-no-mac look is much clearer than the am-state-icons2 look
19:38:18 <Mic> The "less wasted space" is the netbook thing again?
19:38:37 <flo> no :)
19:38:52 <Mic> hehe
19:39:00 <flo> but only 13" on my macbook
19:39:05 <flo> and way too many windows ;)
19:39:28 <Mic> Frankly I think you can't design a UI that is suitable for both small and big screens
19:40:00 <Mic> Because you can't use the advantages of any but get the limitations of both
19:40:10 <flo> I don't think people buy big screens with the purpose of wasting the added pixels
19:41:11 <Mic> A clear and light looking UI is definitely no 'Wasted space' in my opinion
19:41:20 <Mic> In contrary, it makes things usuable
19:41:53 <flo> "clear" and "light" are very subjective words ;)
19:44:05 <Mic> I'm afraid "less ugliness" and "more clarity" too ;)
19:44:19 <flo> :)
19:45:22 <flo> that UI would be very simple if we could remove that "Sign-on at startup" thing
19:45:43 <flo> it would just be a list of items. Each item having an icon, a title and a description
19:54:44 <flo> hmm, if we want to make it look lighter, maybe we can remove the "Sign-on at startup" checkbox for all accounts but the selected one
19:55:41 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> I WUV TEXT
19:57:54 <Mic> flo: I understand your concerns on screen real estate on windows that are always visible, but the account manager is just a dialog (maybe not in the literal sense) that the user opens to do something with it
19:58:20 <flo> I tend to have it always visible
19:58:21 <Mic> Most likely it's opened for 5 minutes at best per session 
19:58:45 <Mic> Assuming the 'average user' knows that it can be closed
19:58:51 <flo> basically because I never close a window if I'm not forced to close it
19:59:27 <flo> (and I know, I'm not the average user :))
20:00:59 <Mic> :)
20:01:06 <Mic> I got an 19" screen at uni now :)
20:01:32 <Mic> 4:3 i.e. as much screen space as an average 22" widescreen monitor
20:01:50 <flo> at the office I have a 20" screen on my desk that I add to the 13" of the macbook
20:02:13 <Mic> Difference: you can actually see something when reading a paper (even when not pivoted)
20:02:41 <flo> Mic: by the way, what's your day job/occupation? :)
20:02:52 <Mic> studying physics
20:04:39 <flo> as a student? or teaching? working on a Phd?
20:05:00 <Mic> I started working on my diploma thesis recently
20:05:14 <Mic> So the lazy days are over now
20:05:34 <flo> heh
20:06:28 <Mic> I'm not sure if I'll do a PhD in physics... I'm afraid it's not that interesting after all :S
20:07:32 <flo> I'm evaluating the idea of doing a PhD on human-computer-interaction using Instantbird as my research
20:09:07 <Mic> human-computer-interaction is pretty interesting
20:10:00 <DGMurdockIII> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/10/its-global-handwashing-day-do-you-know-where-your-soap-is.html
20:10:16 <Mic> :o
20:10:36 <Mic> Hand washing day?
20:11:00 <flo> well, hci is pretty interesting if you are interested by both humans and computers. If you are not, it's probably very boring :)
20:12:10 <Mic> I think it's too much limited on single input devices right now
20:14:35 <flo> we can play with webcams ;)
20:14:42 <Mic> e.g.
20:15:14 <flo> what about setting the status to "away" automatically when the image doesn't move at all?
20:17:05 <Mic> http://xkcd.com/644/
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20:17:51 <flo> :)
20:18:30 <Mic> Voice Control
20:18:32 <Mic> ;)
20:18:48 <Mic> The more commands you have the harder it gets to find the thing the user said
20:19:35 <flo> I'm looking at the result on Linux
20:20:05 <flo> I think I'll prefer keeping the dotted borders there, and using the same background color for all accounts
20:20:30 <Mic> Take your time on windows.. please :P
20:21:24 <flo> yeah, opening a widows virtual machine requires a lot of motivation, so it takes time ;)
20:23:01 <Mic> Have fun ..
20:23:10 <Mic> Going to cinema again
20:23:12 <Mic> cu
20:23:16 <flo> see you
20:23:21 <flo> enjoy the film :)
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20:25:19 <flo> good night
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