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01:35:28 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: http://www.2404.org the best pc gaming news :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 03:28:50 --> Morian has joined #instantbird 03:31:06 <-- Morian_ has quit (Ping timeout) 04:12:18 --> Tro has joined #instantbird 04:14:17 <-- Tro has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.15/2009100612]) 05:48:10 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 07:49:09 --> flo has joined #instantbird 07:49:09 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 08:27:31 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 08:36:14 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 08:41:20 --> Tro_ has joined #instantbird 08:41:52 <Tro_> hi 08:42:18 * Tro_ is now known as Tro_away 08:42:40 <flo> hi :) 08:43:44 <-- Tro_away has quit (Connection reset by peer) 09:46:18 <flo> ï»¿/away Parti manger 09:46:38 <flo> hmm 09:46:50 <flo> I should try to debug that someday :-D 11:15:53 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 11:37:08 --> GeekShado_ has joined #instantbird 11:37:17 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 12:14:23 <-- GeekShado_ has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 12:15:52 --> Tro has joined #instantbird 12:15:58 <-- Tro has left #instantbird () 13:21:22 <-- sonny has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 13:29:25 --> flo has joined #instantbird 13:29:25 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 14:18:48 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 14:50:53 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/am-state-icons.png Thoughts? Ideas? 15:12:28 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 15:23:40 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> what we looking at here flo? 15:23:53 <flo> the account manager ;) 15:24:51 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> those 4 icons make complete sense to me 15:29:11 <flo> another iteration: http://queze.net/goinfre/am-state-icons2.png (I moved the "sign-on at startup" things) 15:34:37 <DGMurdockIII> i like that 15:35:17 <DGMurdockIII> when will the add buddy window get fixed 15:38:34 <flo> I've got to go 15:38:36 <flo> see you later 15:39:01 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 15:42:08 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> not that flo is here anymore, but I like version one better than version 2, with the sing on at start up on the right 15:58:22 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 16:02:50 <-- SM0TVI has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:02:59 --> SM0TVI has joined #instantbird 16:04:37 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 257 filed by email@example.com. 16:04:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=257 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't necessarily save passwords / add prompt for password 16:08:43 <Morian> Mic: You want to be asked on each connection for your password ? 16:09:01 <Mic> yes, if I choose so .. 16:09:19 <Mic> Right now it doesn't connect if you don't set/save a password 16:09:40 <Morian> ok 16:09:49 <Mic> So there's a prompt for password missing.. (should I change it into a bug report instead?;) 16:10:36 <Mic> Right now I'm at university and I don't want to store my passwords here .. they're doing backups and such and no idea where they end up eventually 16:10:38 <Morian> ah, non 16:10:39 <Morian> no * 16:11:15 <Morian> you have installed instantbird on a computer at your university ? 16:11:37 <Mic> Define 'installed' 16:12:25 <Mic> I'm running it here, yes. It's sort of my own pc for doing my diploma thesis. 16:12:32 <Morian> ok 16:21:52 <Mic> With the -profile command line parameter Instantbird is quite portable as far as I call tell.. 16:22:01 <Mic> I could as well just put it on a memory stick 16:22:11 <Morian> yes 16:45:16 <Mic> bbl 16:45:48 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 16:56:55 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 17:09:19 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> Mic:"dipoma thesis at University," to make sure i am following teh UK Vs. US enlglihs, does that mean "doctoroal thesis at college" 17:11:45 <Morian> yes DetroitLibertyPenguin 17:12:15 <Morian> (Mic has gone) 17:17:18 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> morian, I appreciate that 17:18:18 --> flo has joined #instantbird 17:18:19 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 17:24:42 <-- Even has left #instantbird () 18:42:28 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 18:45:10 <Mic> hello again 18:49:29 <flo> hey :) 18:51:02 --> Morian_ has joined #instantbird 18:52:34 <-- Morian has quit (Ping timeout) 18:53:55 <Mic> http://queze.net/goinfre/am-state-icons.png 18:54:24 <Mic> I'd drop the connected and disconnected icon 18:54:31 <flo> why? 18:55:19 <Mic> Because dis/connected is already displayed/visible 18:55:30 <flo> textualy 18:55:43 <Mic> visually 18:55:54 <flo> the whole point of the icon is to make it graphically visible so that we don't have to read when glancing quickly over the list 18:56:00 <Mic> at least for me disconnected icons are faded/greyed out 18:56:37 <Mic> And it's easily distinguishable from the connected state 18:59:05 <flo> I think I like the fact that the icon is a summary of the line of text that is just after it 19:00:32 <Mic> The IRC accounts might be exceptions on my last statement.. the already grey icon doesn't stand out much when connected 19:01:45 <flo> I'm not sure the average user would have the idea to look at the transparency of the icon to figure out if the account is online or not 19:03:29 <Mic> You think so? 19:03:45 <Mic> It clearly changes its appearance while connecting 19:04:10 <flo> when the whole account line (including the texts) is greyed out, it's probably visible. But for selected accounts, only the icon is changed 19:05:26 <Mic> hmm .. :S 19:06:06 <flo> I'd love to have "average user" glasses so that I can just look and check what the average user would see :) 19:06:38 <Mic> Not so good looking coloured circles? :P 19:09:04 <Mic> btw is that a new look on the Mac account manager? 19:09:23 <DGMurdockIII> yeah is that mac only 19:09:26 <flo> the screenshot is from my mac debug build 19:09:29 <DGMurdockIII> ok 19:09:47 <flo> I haven't attempted (yet!) to create related themes for the other OSes 19:10:34 <Mic> Did you move the icons to the other side as well while changing it? 19:11:24 <flo> I grouped the protocol icons and the account names so that it is possible to identify an account by looking at a single place in the window 19:11:52 <Mic> Unfortunately the items are pretty unbalanced now 19:17:30 <Mic> I didn't see http://queze.net/goinfre/am-state-icons2.png before .. 19:18:44 <Mic> comparing it to http://queze.net/goinfre/am-dlm.png I'm sorry to say that the old one looked much lighter .. 19:19:44 <Mic> .. now things are pretty tightly packed. 19:27:57 <flo> I'm not happy with the "Sign-on at startup" things 19:31:25 <Mic> http://queze.net/goinfre/am-state-icons2.png 19:31:38 <Mic> oops 19:32:58 <Mic> What is the goal of the account manager re-design btw? 19:34:12 <flo> less ugliness (especially on Mac), less wasted space, more clarity when glancing over the window to have an idea of the state of the various accounts 19:38:05 <Mic> The am-no-mac look is much clearer than the am-state-icons2 look 19:38:18 <Mic> The "less wasted space" is the netbook thing again? 19:38:37 <flo> no :) 19:38:52 <Mic> hehe 19:39:00 <flo> but only 13" on my macbook 19:39:05 <flo> and way too many windows ;) 19:39:28 <Mic> Frankly I think you can't design a UI that is suitable for both small and big screens 19:40:00 <Mic> Because you can't use the advantages of any but get the limitations of both 19:40:10 <flo> I don't think people buy big screens with the purpose of wasting the added pixels 19:41:11 <Mic> A clear and light looking UI is definitely no 'Wasted space' in my opinion 19:41:20 <Mic> In contrary, it makes things usuable 19:41:53 <flo> "clear" and "light" are very subjective words ;) 19:44:05 <Mic> I'm afraid "less ugliness" and "more clarity" too ;) 19:44:19 <flo> :) 19:45:22 <flo> that UI would be very simple if we could remove that "Sign-on at startup" thing 19:45:43 <flo> it would just be a list of items. Each item having an icon, a title and a description 19:54:44 <flo> hmm, if we want to make it look lighter, maybe we can remove the "Sign-on at startup" checkbox for all accounts but the selected one 19:55:41 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> I WUV TEXT 19:57:54 <Mic> flo: I understand your concerns on screen real estate on windows that are always visible, but the account manager is just a dialog (maybe not in the literal sense) that the user opens to do something with it 19:58:20 <flo> I tend to have it always visible 19:58:21 <Mic> Most likely it's opened for 5 minutes at best per session 19:58:45 <Mic> Assuming the 'average user' knows that it can be closed 19:58:51 <flo> basically because I never close a window if I'm not forced to close it 19:59:27 <flo> (and I know, I'm not the average user :)) 20:00:59 <Mic> :) 20:01:06 <Mic> I got an 19" screen at uni now :) 20:01:32 <Mic> 4:3 i.e. as much screen space as an average 22" widescreen monitor 20:01:50 <flo> at the office I have a 20" screen on my desk that I add to the 13" of the macbook 20:02:13 <Mic> Difference: you can actually see something when reading a paper (even when not pivoted) 20:02:41 <flo> Mic: by the way, what's your day job/occupation? :) 20:02:52 <Mic> studying physics 20:04:39 <flo> as a student? or teaching? working on a Phd? 20:05:00 <Mic> I started working on my diploma thesis recently 20:05:14 <Mic> So the lazy days are over now 20:05:34 <flo> heh 20:06:28 <Mic> I'm not sure if I'll do a PhD in physics... I'm afraid it's not that interesting after all :S 20:07:32 <flo> I'm evaluating the idea of doing a PhD on human-computer-interaction using Instantbird as my research 20:09:07 <Mic> human-computer-interaction is pretty interesting 20:10:00 <DGMurdockIII> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/10/its-global-handwashing-day-do-you-know-where-your-soap-is.html 20:10:16 <Mic> :o 20:10:36 <Mic> Hand washing day? 20:11:00 <flo> well, hci is pretty interesting if you are interested by both humans and computers. If you are not, it's probably very boring :) 20:12:10 <Mic> I think it's too much limited on single input devices right now 20:14:35 <flo> we can play with webcams ;) 20:14:42 <Mic> e.g. 20:15:14 <flo> what about setting the status to "away" automatically when the image doesn't move at all? 20:17:05 <Mic> http://xkcd.com/644/ 20:17:28 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Ping timeout) 20:17:51 <flo> :) 20:18:30 <Mic> Voice Control 20:18:32 <Mic> ;) 20:18:48 <Mic> The more commands you have the harder it gets to find the thing the user said 20:19:35 <flo> I'm looking at the result on Linux 20:20:05 <flo> I think I'll prefer keeping the dotted borders there, and using the same background color for all accounts 20:20:30 <Mic> Take your time on windows.. please :P 20:21:24 <flo> yeah, opening a widows virtual machine requires a lot of motivation, so it takes time ;) 20:23:01 <Mic> Have fun .. 20:23:10 <Mic> Going to cinema again 20:23:12 <Mic> cu 20:23:16 <flo> see you 20:23:21 <flo> enjoy the film :) 20:23:45 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 20:25:19 <flo> good night 21:36:42 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b1pre) 22:00:57 <-- idechix has left #instantbird () 22:06:24 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 23:06:55 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 23:17:03 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has left #instantbird () 23:28:34 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 23:38:23 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird