#instantbird log on 08 29 2009

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00:01:06 <deOmega> Morian:thank you
00:03:14 <Mic> good night
00:03:20 <Morian> night Mic
00:03:21 <flo> good night
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00:11:27 <deOmega> ok,  we will be able to use persistent im for conferences
00:11:45 <deOmega> instantbird recognizes the command
00:13:20 <deOmega> now, what i cannot get done is to strip teh incoming font to match teh  sender's font folr etc
00:13:33 <deOmega> i am in   about":config
00:14:28 <flo> you are interested by this preference:
00:14:37 <flo> // this preference changes how we filter incoming messages
00:14:37 <flo> // 0 = no formattings
00:14:37 <flo> // 1 = basic formattings (bold, italic, underlined)
00:14:37 <flo> // 2 = permissive mode (colors, font face, font size, ...)
00:14:37 <flo> pref("messenger.options.filterMode", 1);
00:14:39 <deOmega> this will be   my last task today before heading out
00:15:19 <deOmega> thank you...  making note
00:18:32 <flo> Morian: http://queze.net/goinfre/new-tabs-with-themes.patch
00:18:43 <Morian> ah thanks
00:18:48 <flo> I've only tried it on Linux
00:18:54 <flo> will try on mac and windows now
00:18:58 <Morian> I won't try it elsewhere
00:29:13 <deOmega> ok, i am, very pleased right now, exspecially since i know where my  history folder is kept... and now i can seeincoming text.. and we ccan  do conferencing
00:29:17 <deOmega> so,  thank you
00:29:25 <deOmega> that's it for me today
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01:52:44 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/5ad90243bd59 - Florian Qu?ze - New tabs (similar to the tabs of Firefox 3.5).
01:52:45 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/e5aa0d9455ba - Florian Qu?ze - Bug 227 - Prevent the smiley theme system from freezing the application when a bogus theme leads to a regexp matching the empty string.
01:57:19 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 227 to FIXED.
01:57:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=227 cri, --, 0.2b1, florian, RESO FIXED, Old smiley themes with new smiley script lock application
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06:32:09 <Raven> Hi
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06:56:18 <Even> Hi !
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07:27:25 <instantbot> Welcome back flo, I missed you.
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09:59:16 <Mic> hi
10:03:47 <Mic> The tabs are fancy :)
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10:25:26 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 229 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
10:25:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=229 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Failing to connect
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11:22:38 <flo> "12:03:47 - Mic: The tabs are fancy :)" do you like them? :)
11:24:26 <Mic> yes
11:24:41 <flo> there are probably lots of bugs
11:24:49 <flo> I'm already aware of a few of them
11:25:05 <Mic> well, there are some things I'd like to say
11:25:07 <flo> an obvious one is the findbar that doesn't open any more
11:26:26 <flo> Command+W to close a tab seems more or less broken too
11:26:47 <flo> It worked on my linux debug build. Doesn't work on my mac...
11:26:59 <Mic> wait a minute ..
11:27:23 <Mic> Doesn't work on Windows either
11:27:43 <flo> I'll fix that for the next nightly
11:27:54 <Mic> I expected to drag the tab outside the conversation window to open it in a new window
11:28:08 <Mic> (It just works inside)
11:29:02 <Mic> Dragging and dropping a tab onto itself doesn't do anything on FF; it could be that people would expect it to behave similiarily
11:29:04 <flo> works for me.
11:29:07 <flo> on all 3 OSes
11:29:20 <Mic> hmm ..
11:29:27 <flo> I know Even had a similar issue this morning
11:29:30 <flo> I can't reproduce
11:30:10 <Mic> oops, dragging and dropping into the same tab works on FF (I'm sorry)
11:30:31 <Even> I also reported Ctrl F and probably Commands F has broken.
11:30:33 <Even> *as
11:30:43 <flo> I said the findbar is broken
11:31:45 <Mic> lol
11:32:01 <Mic> I just caught myself trying to drag a buddy from the list to the tab bar ..
11:33:43 <Mic> A way to distinguish between contacts beside the name would be nice
11:34:21 <flo> ah, now I have the same bug on windows (can't drag outside the window)
11:34:57 <flo> "13:32:01 - Mic: I just caught myself trying to drag a buddy from the list to the tab bar .." nice way to start a conversation :)
11:35:00 <Mic> There might be people who have several contacts with the same name, so adding the account, protocol or UIN,.. on the tooltip would be a good idea
11:35:26 <flo> yeah... we will have better tooltips. One day...
11:35:49 <flo> ah, before we had only that in the tooltip
11:35:52 <flo> hmm ok
11:37:33 <Even> 01:34:19 PM - flo: ah, now I have the same bug on windows (can't drag outside the window)
11:37:33 <Even> => yeah, it does that on KDE too.
11:38:01 <Mic> oh, just a design issue: the icons could be less eye-catching, it diverts from the nickname
11:38:11 <flo> Mic: yes
11:38:52 <flo> actually, that's better on mac. The not selected icons are "gray'ed" a bit. It doesn't attract the eye as much
11:39:05 <flo> I'll probably copy that from the Mac theme to the 2 others
11:40:01 <Mic> Auto-hiding the tab bar is not intended, I guess?
11:40:59 <flo> actually, the "drag to detach a tab" seems to fail only when I drop the tab above a Firefox window
11:41:09 <flo> Mic: that's a pref in about:config
11:41:16 <flo> couldn't decide if we wanted to do that by default
11:41:37 <flo> if we do it, you can't drag a lonely tab back to a window
11:41:53 <flo> and you probably can't drag a tab into a window that already have one tab
11:44:15 <Mic> Ah, it doesn't apply to existing windows
11:44:33 <Mic> I tried auto-hide before and it didn't work .. 
11:45:00 <Mic> If you open another conversation, the tab bar will appear and stay when you drag all but one tab away
11:45:26 <Mic> (the last was about a window with a hidden tab bar)
11:49:52 <Mic> Showing an image of the tab you drag would be nice so you know that you're dragging something (or change the mouse cursor or such)
11:58:52 <Morian> flo: should I open a new bug for each "bug" or enhancement I see/suggest?
12:01:52 <Morian> Mic: is bug 229 about facebook or about a way not to reconnect immediately if the connection closes right after being "connected" ?
12:01:56 <instantbot> Morian: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=229 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Failing to connect
12:02:27 <Morian> the title is very mysterious to me ><'
12:02:41 <Mic> The facebook plugin is just the example for the problem
12:04:23 <Morian> ok, perhaps should we trigger the "reconnection" timer in such a case
12:05:11 <Morian> so that the first time it will reconnect immediately, then 5 seconds later, then 30, 60, 300 and so on
12:06:17 <Mic> Like it does now when it can't connect
12:06:25 <Morian> yes
12:07:45 <Mic> Right now, it doesN't work, because Facebook reports for a moment that it is connected
12:07:59 <Morian> it is really connected
12:08:11 <Morian> for ~5 seconds
12:08:58 <Morian> then it gets a message from the server, as if the protocol hasn't answered a ping or something
12:09:34 <Mic> that's why Eventreur suggested we should wait for e.g. 10 seconds before we treat it like an connected account (and therefore will start the reconnect countdown at 1s again)
12:09:57 <Morian> the solution would be that instead of removing any "reconnection timer" when the account is connected, wait X seconds before doing so
12:10:05 <Morian> yes
12:14:03 <Mic> You like the new title better?
12:14:24 <Morian> yes :)
12:14:28 <Morian> less confuse
12:14:46 <Mic> and now for something completely different
12:15:33 <Mic> flo: is it possible to merge extensions into Instantbird (so that they don't appear as extensions but part of the program)
12:16:34 <Morian> flo is afk, but of course it is possible, and easily, just make a diff and push it on hg ^^'
12:17:24 <Mic> well, automatically; I'm thinking about something like a webtool that allows to select which protocols you'd like to have and it automatically includes them into your personal installer
12:17:33 <Mic> So you customize your IB before even downloading it
12:19:44 <Morian> complicated since the tool is kind of "required" and a lot of people don't download drom the official website. There is a plan to revamp the account wizard, where people will only have (visible) the 4 or 5 most popular protocols depending on their country.
12:20:26 <Morian> and also, invited to download an addon if the proto they are looking for is not built in.
12:21:12 <Morian> (but it's my opinion ^^')
12:22:08 <Mic> hmm, kind of "required"? It would be a way to create customized IBs in case you don't like this or that feature
12:23:25 <Morian> it's the goal of the addon system
12:23:29 <Morian> :-s
12:24:49 <Mic> well, and you have people going "I want that included and not as extension, ouinouin"
12:25:09 <Morian> ^^', they still can fork XD
12:26:21 <Mic> hehe
12:26:34 <Morian> well I fell like it is a "false good idea", but it's just my opinion :)
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12:45:17 <flo> Mic: no. We don't want that.
12:45:27 <flo> as Morian said, that's the purpose of the extension system.
12:46:03 <flo> creating more customized versions of the installer doesn't help anybody (if the extension system is good enough), and would be a huge maintenance nightmare
13:13:53 <Mic> well, sure it is what the extension system is basically for
13:15:02 <Mic> ok, the idea was not good ;)
13:16:04 <flo> keep in mind that each customized version needs to be produced for each of the OSes (currently 3, soon 4 OSes supported) and each of the languages (currently 1, hopefully a lot soon)
13:16:13 <Mic> hmm?
13:16:39 <Morian> Mic's idea was to generate it automatically
13:16:44 <Morian> (i think)
13:17:08 <Mic> yes
13:17:31 <Mic> (Which just shift the problem)
13:18:01 <Morian> and create an other one, making installer or tarballs on demand is far from being easy :)
13:18:41 <Morian> and e.ven if we have it, we have to make sure that it is fast
13:19:01 <flo> so how do you "sign" an automatically generated build? How do you get mirror ftp servers?
13:19:22 <flo> how do you handle automatic updates in case of security issues?
13:24:22 <Mic> well, I don't know
13:24:50 <Mic> Basically it was just an idea because the extension manager sucks
13:25:27 <flo> it's easier to make the addon manager suck less ;)
13:25:31 <Mic> sure ..
13:25:54 <Mic> but there were still the people who'd like to see this or that and no, an extension is not sufficient ..
13:27:24 <flo> these people are the problem
13:27:52 <flo> whatever you do, it won't be "right", because they don't want you to do what they propose, they just want to complain
13:28:47 <flo> in most case, we can find a solution that is "good enough" for nearly everybody, and let people who know why the default behavior is not the best for themselves install an addon
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13:35:30 <Mic> Are there any attempts to improve the extension manager in general (Mozilla wide)
13:35:49 <Mic> I haven't found anything on a quick search on their bugzilla 
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13:36:17 <Morian> don't they plan to have a way to handle extensions in html or something like this ?
13:36:18 <flo> Mossop works on that
13:36:26 <flo> but he starts by cleaning up the backend
13:36:38 <flo> so the first changes are not very visible
13:37:24 <Mic> hmm, ok
13:38:31 <Morian> http://wiki.instantbird.org/Brainstorm:tabs-improvements
13:38:40 <Mic> Unfortunately extensions don't have categories on themselves
13:38:42 <Morian> if you want to add something :)
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13:46:29 <Mic> hmm, with the emoticon theme we have something like a category already..
13:46:50 <Mic> since the ids have to start with "emoticons-"
13:48:23 <Morian> would be fine to make a difference between emoticon / message style / protocol / others
13:48:56 <Mic> yep, I have the big theme package from flo installed on one of my profiles ..
13:49:08 <Mic> the manager is close to unusable 
13:49:35 <flo> Mic: it has serious performance issues with 200 addons installed, yes
13:50:18 <Morian> flo: the matter here is not on performances, but on a way to distinguish addon types
13:50:50 <flo> well, performance is the primary reason why it's unusable for me in that situation
13:51:02 <Mic> both is a problem
13:51:14 <flo> without the performance issue, just adding a search box that would filter the list would be "enough" to make it easily usable quicky
13:51:16 <Mic> For one it's slow and on the other it's hard to find what you are looking for
13:51:50 <flo> I think we planned to extend if for Instantbird by adding a drop down at the top of the list, that would make filtering easy
13:52:01 <Morian> but actually it is not a priority, and the addon manager is quite usable while we don't have so many addons
13:52:03 <Mic> (the addons website could use a "hide eye-candy extensions" as well, btw ;)
13:52:22 <Mic> *switch
13:52:24 <flo> if would default to "Show: All" and could be placed on "Show: emoticion themes" "Show: message styles" "Show: IM protocols", etc...
13:53:13 <Morian> why not creating separated tabs ?
13:53:42 <flo> the addon manager is part of the toolkit so we can't modify it heavily for instantbird except if we decide to completely fork it (which I'd really like to avoid). But we can easily add an overlay, like an extension would do :)
13:54:04 <flo> Morian: because there are already too many tabs, and people don't know what they are for
13:54:09 <Morian> ok
13:54:12 <flo> what's a plugin compared to an extension?
13:54:28 <Morian> plguins shoud be hidden by default
13:54:32 <Morian> but well...
13:54:36 <flo> how do you differentiate a language (listed in a specific tab) from a language pack (listed among extensions)
13:54:56 <flo> Morian: maybe we should even disable theme completely
13:55:02 <flo> *them
13:55:13 <flo> so that we don't crash when a broken plugin is installed on the system
13:55:22 <Morian> yes and no
13:55:27 <flo> it would be really stupid to crash because of flash :-D
13:55:37 <Morian> an addon may want to have flash or any other plugin
13:55:50 <flo> and then can enable it I guess?
13:55:56 <Morian> ah
13:55:58 <Morian> yes
13:56:00 <flo> it would be a preference I suppose
13:56:16 <Morian> I totally agree with that idea
13:56:30 <flo> we just need someone to... just do it ;)
13:56:33 <Morian> can it make IB faster to launch ?
13:56:38 <flo> maybe
13:56:50 <flo> not sure that would be significant
13:57:16 <flo> mozilla is working hard on startup performance these days, so we will benefit from their work
13:57:18 <Morian> will the plugin tab disappear if there is no plugin to show in ?
13:57:46 <flo> if we hide it, sure :)
13:57:52 <Morian> ^^'
13:57:53 <Mitch> flo: Why is the "MSN" prpl named so? It's been WLM for years.
13:58:21 <flo> the application is called WLM
13:58:26 <Morian> the protocol is still MSN, WLM is the application
13:58:34 <flo> are you sure WLM is also the name of the protocol? I don't think so
13:58:44 <flo> and everybody I know talks about "MSN", not "WLM"
13:59:05 <Morian> not a big issue anyway :)
13:59:28 <Morian> flo: is it possible to have overlays elsewhere than in extensions ?
13:59:54 <flo> anywhere in chrome
14:00:22 <Mitch> Also, you guys should promise not to add (more?) GIFs to Instantbird. It's not the '90s anymore. :D
14:00:28 <flo> that's rarely used directly in the applications because loading an overlay when opening the window is slower than just opening the window with a single XUL file
14:01:09 <flo> Mitch: have you seen GIFs in instantbird?
14:01:29 <flo> live with your time, you are in the 21th century, we have animated PNG images with alpha transparency :-P
14:03:49 <Mic> :P
14:03:56 <Mic> :D
14:04:09 <Mic> (just to trigger that animation bug)
14:04:42 <flo> Mic: there are currently no animations in the default emoticon theme...
14:05:14 <Mic> I've got the apng theme installed and there it has this bug
14:05:29 <flo> I know...
14:05:46 <flo> if only someone at mozilla would feel like fixing it before I get to it myself... ;)
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14:09:22 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 230 filed by romain@bezut.info.
14:09:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=230 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Plugins should not be enabled by default
14:32:13 <Mic> Morian: "Right click on a zone without tab shouldn't display a popup menu concerning the selected tab" - that's the way FF handles it as well
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14:33:07 <Morian> Mic: Don't know, I have more FF tabs than friends
14:33:08 <Morian> :-D
14:33:57 <Mic> If (nbOfFFtabs > nbFriends) get_a_rl(); :P
14:33:57 <Morian> items in this list are subject to change depending on the appreciations
14:34:06 <Morian> ^^
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14:34:34 <Raven> Hi
14:34:39 <Mic> Hi
14:34:48 <Morian> hi
14:36:09 <Raven> I have missed something? What are you talking about? ;) 
14:36:37 <Morian> The new tab system has been pushed yesterday, so now we are debugging ans discussing on how to improve it :)
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14:36:59 <Morian> http://wiki.instantbird.org/Brainstorm:tabs-improvements
14:37:28 <Morian> as you can see there are a lot of things we can do to improve them :)
14:39:21 <Raven> I do not understand much, because I know English very bad
14:40:47 <Raven> Is there a way simpler, if not complicated?
14:41:28 <Morian> Raven: simpler for what ?
14:42:06 <Raven> 	To understand
14:43:26 <Morian> no, there are some technical stuff in this list as well :), these are just minor improvements to make user experience better with the new tab system
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15:36:03 <Raven> When will candidates Instantbird 0.2b1?
15:37:24 <Raven> никого нет?
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16:16:51 <Mic> Morian: "when dropping a tab (from another window) before the last tab, it attaches in the last position instead of the position shown by the drop indicator ", I can't reproduce that
16:17:32 <Mic> Does it stay at the last place?
16:18:12 <Mic> I think it flickers at the last place for a moment, but eventually it's at the right place (second to last in the tab bar)
16:35:08 <Morian> mmmh
16:35:36 <Morian> Mic: I meant dropping over the window and not over the tab bar
16:37:05 <Morian> ow
16:37:11 <Morian> it's not even my bug
16:37:20 <Morian> flo told to add that XD
17:08:20 <instantbot> romain@bezut.info added attachment 228 to bug 132.
17:08:21 <instantbot> romain@bezut.info cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 204 on bug 132.
17:08:23 <instantbot> romain@bezut.info requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 228 on bug 132.
17:08:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132 enh, --, 0.2, romain, ASSI, Zoom level should be saved in preferences
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17:52:09 <Mic> I think we should have a change in how the UI reacts when you disconnect your own account
17:54:05 <Mic> Maybe graying out the textinput and displaying a message like on the account messenger? ("You're currently not connected ...blablabla")
17:55:39 <Mic> It also shows the status icons on the tabs as if your contact is online/away .. sure, you don't know if something has changed on his side
17:56:10 <Mic> but it's pretending that everything is in order in my opinion
18:00:28 <flo> "18:18:12 - Mic: I think it flickers at the last place for a moment, but eventually it's at the right place (second to last in the tab bar)"
18:00:28 <flo> Right. That's another bug. It always appears at the last place for a very brief instant. We should try to change that, or prevent it from being visible.
18:01:18 <flo> "18:16:51 - Mic: […] I can't reproduce that[...] Does it stay at the last place?". I can reproduce so I'll be able to fix it. Yes, it stays at the last place.
18:01:34 <flo> only happens when there are at least 3 or 4 tabs in the window were you drop the tab
18:03:05 <flo> Mic: yes, we should do something when the account used for a conversation is signed off. It was already a problem before with typing notifications that stayed visible for ever if someone was typing to you when you disconnected. Now with the status icon in the tab, it's even worse
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18:40:21 <deOmega> this entry:  clipboard.autocopy
18:40:40 <deOmega> making it true, shouldn't that turn on autocopy in the message window?
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20:12:23 <flo> deOmega: probably, yes.
20:12:43 <Morian> (he is offline)
20:13:12 <flo> oops
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20:56:03 <instantbot> romain@bezut.info added attachment 229 to bug 132.
20:56:04 <instantbot> romain@bezut.info cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 228 on bug 132.
20:56:05 <instantbot> romain@bezut.info requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 229 on bug 132.
20:56:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132 enh, --, 0.2, romain, ASSI, Zoom level should be saved in preferences
21:26:14 <Mic> flo: what about reflecting progress on the roadmap as well? (example: http://wiki.instantbird.org/User_talk:Mic/Testing_grounds )
21:26:32 <Mic> People always like to be informed about .. well, anything
21:26:36 <Morian> Mic: good idea :)
21:27:01 <Morian> I think he just didn't know how to display these icons ^^ (me either ...)
21:27:25 <flo> [[File:Tickmark_'ok'.png]] in front of each line :-/
21:28:07 <Morian> would be better if it could be the list-image instead but well it's not important
21:28:12 <Mic> ok, I guess I could have used some fancy mediawiki feature to achieve the same with much more efforts
21:33:55 <Morian> I don't think it is important, the result is ...
21:34:02 <Morian> the code behind a roadmap -_- ...
21:34:07 <Morian> who cares ?
21:34:23 <flo> well, go ahead then
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21:44:40 <Mic> What's "default formatting selection"?
21:44:50 <flo> uh?
21:44:52 <Mic> The magic behind the copy feature?
21:45:07 <Mic> It's listed as todo for 0.3
21:45:41 <flo> formatting outgoing messages, and having a way to set a "default format" (used for all messages if you don't specify anything for the current message) from the preferences
21:52:02 <Mic> I've added tickmarks on the roadmap to the best of my knowledge if you like to copy it, it's at http://wiki.instantbird.org/User_talk:Mic/Testing_grounds
21:52:34 <Mic> Oh and I changed the wording concerning the formatting to what you just described
21:53:13 <flo> we already have the context menu in conversation windows
21:53:34 <flo> "#  Improve tabs (Probably do something that looks like Firefox 3+'s tabs) " that is almost done. We are just fixing the remaining issues
21:53:40 <flo> "#  Implement nsIClassInfo in purplexpcom classes. " that's done.
21:59:06 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 229 on bug 132.
21:59:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132 enh, --, 0.2, romain, ASSI, Zoom level should be saved in preferences
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22:45:42 <Mic> Good night
22:46:07 <Morian> good night mic
22:46:31 <flo> good night
22:46:43 <Mic> btw I couldn't update the roadmap, it's protected, someone with sufficient rights has to copy it
22:46:47 <Mic> cu
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22:48:38 <Morian> protected O_o
22:49:27 <Morian> I edited it a few minutes ago
22:49:27 <flo> against spammers
22:49:27 <Morian> ah
22:49:27 <Morian> it wasn't the good roadmap :p
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23:07:23 <deOmega> this entry:  clipboard.autocopy...making it true, shouldn't that turn on autocopy in the message window?
23:07:44 <Morian> <flo> deOmega: probably, yes.
23:07:45 <flo> deOmega: probably, yes.
23:07:49 <flo> :)
23:08:02 <Morian> I quote you faster than you type :p
23:08:05 <deOmega> thanks,   my pc went to sleep so I missed
23:08:09 <flo> I quoted myself too
23:08:13 <Morian> ^^'
23:08:17 <deOmega> lol
23:08:33 <deOmega> So, i turned it on, but  the auto copy is not working
23:08:34 <flo> If my build had a working findbar, I wouldn't have been so slow
23:09:05 <deOmega> are you  in this chat using instantbird?
23:11:19 <Morian> flo is
23:11:41 <deOmega> hmmm
23:12:09 <Morian> I ... have to say that i don't ^^', but surely when IRC chat will be improved (nick sorting, nick colors, auto passwords, ...) I'll go for it :)
23:12:22 <deOmega> oh.. i am an idiot, just noticed there an IRC account option
23:16:41 <deOmega> buy the way, I like teh new tabs very much....
23:16:55 <flo> :)
23:17:10 <deOmega> unfortnunately, they introduced that windows ugly blue  on windows VISTA
23:17:18 <deOmega> now frown lol
23:17:40 <deOmega> will post images if you need clarity
23:17:46 <Morian> yes please :)
23:17:51 <deOmega> ok
23:18:19 <Morian> but I am afraid it is probably the normal behavior since it is copy / pasted from firefox theme on visa
23:18:22 <Morian> vista
23:18:44 <deOmega> yes, it is the same thing  for firefox default  window
23:19:01 <deOmega> default theme
23:29:23 <deOmega> http://i27.tinypic.com/2ew1obk.jpg
23:30:12 <deOmega> so, in that image, you see that  ugly rounded blue that is in firefox and now instantbird, in  windows Vista
23:30:17 <Morian> you don't like this color ?
23:30:30 <deOmega> you willnotice it was not there in  the  previous instantbird
23:30:43 <deOmega> looks cheap :)
23:30:53 <Morian> we know, we copied the tab system of firefox for instantbird
23:31:03 <deOmega> but obviously, microsoft does not think so
23:32:05 <Morian> unfortunately I think it won't be "fixed" since it's a feature, but could be changed by a theme
23:32:17 <Morian> (and instantbird doesn't have themes yet :p)
23:32:20 <Morian> sorry ^^'
23:33:00 <deOmega> right, it i snot the end of  teh world for sure... and  the godo news is that the single tab is wide enough to cover much of it :)
23:33:01 <Morian> oh, what is your message theme for instantbird ? :)
23:33:21 <deOmega> I will tell you once you say you liek it lol
23:33:48 <Morian> I am looking for something like that :), actually mine takes too much vertical space for each message :(
23:34:06 <deOmega> CleanLessSharp
23:34:07 <Morian> I like your theme ;)
23:34:12 <Morian> thanks :)
23:34:25 <deOmega> Exactly, that is what i  found with a LOT of them and I tried a LOT
23:35:10 <deOmega> you are welcome...   it does not pick up my avatar though, but picks up the person's i am chattiing with
23:35:22 <deOmega> pickes up my  buddies
23:36:01 <deOmega> buddies'
23:36:18 <Morian> avatars are not handled in instantbird yet
23:36:21 <Morian> (for 0.3)
23:36:29 <Morian> (I mean your avatar)
23:36:40 <deOmega> I understand
23:37:41 <deOmega> the feature where it allows  the other's font color tocome through is  priceless
23:38:28 <Morian> does it bring any important information for you or it is just "visual"
23:38:41 <deOmega> And finally, dunno if it matters, but i made a shortcut to have the hirtor open with  notebook++ and so i could go through message history that way for now
23:38:49 <Morian> I disabled it when people started to talk to me with big pink fonts :p
23:38:50 <deOmega> hmmm
23:38:55 <deOmega> I suppose visual
23:39:04 <Morian> ok :)
23:39:05 <deOmega> maybei do not understand
23:40:06 <deOmega> whatever font and color they are typing in, i see it..  so..  explain important information for me please
23:41:09 <Morian> I don't know, your contacts may use a lot of bold text to highlight important information, or change the colors on some special part of the sentences
23:41:41 <deOmega> ok, yes, those come through
23:41:44 <deOmega> yes
23:48:04 <deOmega> i am going to bring that image down if you guys do not need it
23:48:34 <Morian> we don't need it, just to check that the appearance was as expected :)
23:48:37 <Morian> thanks
23:49:32 <deOmega> ok, thanks again for your support