#instantbird log on 08 28 2009

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00:46:44 <Mic> good night
00:47:06 <flo> good night :)
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09:02:46 <Mic> hi
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10:45:37 <instantbot> Welcome back flo, I missed you.
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13:50:58 <Mic> Morian: changing the account order works perfectly :)
13:51:15 <flo> :)
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17:43:27 <Raven> Hello, it's me again
17:44:57 <Raven> Here somebody is?
17:45:11 <flo> hi
17:46:45 <Raven> Flo, you remember me?
17:46:58 <flo> you were here yesterday
17:47:54 <Raven> Flo, Morian you something passed on from me?
17:51:31 <flo> Morian is away for a few hours
17:52:57 <Raven> Flo, on what principle are addons protocols?
17:53:30 <flo> currently, only libpurple-based
17:53:36 <flo> that will change a lot for 0.3
18:09:45 <Raven> And could you create something like a manager protocols for 0.3?
18:10:36 <Raven> No Accounts, as the protocols?
18:11:55 <flo> I don't understand your questions
18:21:15 <Raven> http://pic.ipicture.ru/uploads/090828/pEH75Xw2wB.png
18:22:04 <Raven> Understand?
18:25:34 <flo> ah, a separate tab in the addon manager for protocols
18:25:51 <Raven> Yes
18:26:03 <flo> I don't know if that would be useful.
18:26:31 <flo> I think the new account wizard with be able to automatically fetch a list of installable protocols from the addons website, and maybe even install theme automatically
18:28:29 <Raven> Will have Instantbird codenames?
18:29:34 <Raven> Instead Instantbird-nightly
18:31:34 <Raven> Flo, you here?
18:37:28 <Raven> Okay, bye! :) 
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19:33:30 <Mic> Have I danced in and out?
19:35:20 <Mic> I'm sorry if I have (some strange problem occured: IB stopped reacting, CPU load jumped to 100%, it started consuming lots of memory and reported a not responding script in imSmiley.jsm (with changing line numbers)
19:50:50 <Morian> mmmh
19:51:32 <Morian> I don't have this problem, but there is a bug in mozilla that make theme variant not working
19:51:38 <Morian> it may be related
19:51:58 <Morian> ah
19:52:03 <Morian> you said smileys ... -_-
19:52:18 <Morian> Mic: do you have a custom smiley set ?
19:52:27 <Mic> d'oh!
19:52:33 <Mic> I should have thought of that ..
19:52:37 <Mic> sure I have
19:52:44 <Mic> thanks a lot.
19:53:42 <Morian> since the patch bug 213 has been checked-in... but anyway this behavior shouldn't happen at all, and we'll have to look at it
19:53:46 <instantbot> Morian: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213 min, --, 0.2b1, mitch_1_2, RESO FIXED, Fix various strings
19:54:33 <Mic> brb
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19:56:06 <Mic> :)
19:56:28 <Mic> Theme is fixed (for me)
19:56:43 <Morian> theme variants ? O_o
19:57:01 <Mic> I don't have any message themes
19:57:04 <Morian> ok
19:57:30 <Morian> this smiley problem seems weird :/
20:00:14 <Mic> flo: can you re-create the smilie themes so that we have working themes on the addon page?
20:02:01 <Mic> smilie themes that lock the whole application are .. doubleplusungood
20:10:07 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 227 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
20:10:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=227 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Old smiley themes with new smiley script lock application
20:10:24 <Morian> :)
20:11:11 <Morian> doubleplusungood ? newspeak  (1984) ? 
20:12:52 <Mic> yep .. 
20:13:17 <Morian> sounds geeky ^^
20:13:45 <Mic> I've read it on a bug report/complaint from Linus Torvalds recently 
20:14:34 <Morian> :-D
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20:23:13 <flo> arg
20:23:24 <flo> I knew we shouldn't have changed that "texts" thing :(
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20:30:19 <flo> Mic: how bad is that bug? When does the application look up? When opening the smiley theme selection window? When a new conversation starts?
20:30:27 <flo> *lock
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20:56:19 <deOmega> hi, just came to give a quick feedback.. in the latest nightly bid, i realized that the default  messaging text was increased.  I think it is  a click too large
20:57:22 <deOmega> nightly build
20:58:00 <Morian> messaging text ? you mean font size ? we haven't made any change concerning this part on the last few days
20:59:44 <Morian> within a week we'll have a patch to allow persistent font size change (ctrl + mouse wheel or ctrl and +/")
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21:09:01 * flo has a patch for bug 227
21:09:05 <instantbot> flo: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=227 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Old smiley themes with new smiley script lock application
21:12:59 <Mic> re
21:13:18 <Mic> Fixed already?
21:13:27 <flo> no
21:13:31 <flo> will be in the next nightly
21:13:50 <flo> I just found another way to produce the same effect with another error in the smiley theme
21:13:55 <flo> fixing that too :)
21:14:48 <Mic> pff, you know .. I expected you to miraculously access my computer and fix it. Without quitting the program ofcourse.
21:15:38 <flo> :)
21:15:59 <Morian> if you can inject the patch's JS code in memory and find a way to reload it, it is possible ):
21:16:59 <Mic> The number of open bugs is slowly decreasing ...
21:17:19 <flo> well
21:17:23 <Mic> I'm afraid sooner or later well run out of them :S
21:17:43 <Morian> don't be afraid, flo is close to push the new tab systems
21:17:46 <Morian> -s
21:17:50 <flo> let me push the new tabs (I've finished them for linux, need to do the theme for Windows and Mac) and you will have plenty of bugs :-P
21:18:12 <flo> about 2700 new lines of code :)
21:18:34 <Morian> (and it was still very buggy a few hours ago :p)
21:19:07 <flo> there are still bugs that I'm aware of
21:19:36 <flo> but it seems good enough that there's no reason to further delay broader testing ;)
21:32:41 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 227 to bug 227.
21:32:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=227 cri, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Old smiley themes with new smiley script lock application
21:33:48 <Mic> :)
21:34:23 <flo> ah, the attachment number matches the bug number :)
21:34:39 <Morian> erf
21:50:08 <Mic> I'm sure we can do that on 228 as well :P
22:02:52 <deOmega> Morian:I am sorry, had to  run  right after posting that,,, and yes, you understand what i am referring to
22:03:57 <Morian> deOmega: has the font size increased since a few days or do you just think it is too large since the beginning ?
22:04:50 <deOmega> I have not used abeta in a while, and cannot say exactly.. maybe 2 weeks or so ago
22:04:59 <deOmega> was the last time i checked
22:05:42 <deOmega> I try to check in now and then to see whe i could keep instantbird permanently
22:06:29 <deOmega> I am suspecting it will be before the year is out :)
22:07:14 <flo> :)
22:07:24 <flo> what's the last feature missing preventing you from keeping it?
22:07:41 <Morian> we haven't changed the font size since the beginning as far as I remember, but well in a few days we'll have a permanent font size change when you change the size with mouse + wheel, on all tabs :)
22:07:46 <deOmega> I do not undestand... it seems liek something like this should have been done YEARS ago... using the mozilla platform.   I am  stunned that you guys are the only ones on this
22:08:14 <deOmega> BUt happy for  you, and US
22:08:57 <deOmega> THank you
22:09:01 <deOmega> What is keeping me
22:09:07 <Morian> :)
22:09:12 <deOmega> well     feedback:
22:10:09 <deOmega> As of now:  1. History Feature  2.  Text managing.
22:10:15 <deOmega> conversation text
22:11:18 <Morian> history is planed for 0.3, "text managing" you mean being able to have colors, bold text etc... ?
22:11:31 <deOmega> yes
22:11:37 <Morian> 0.3 too
22:11:55 <deOmega> Wow,  Well, i am looking forward to .3
22:12:10 <Morian> 0.2 will add a preference dialog, a new tab system
22:12:26 <Morian> some enhancements on the buddy list and the conversation windows
22:12:38 <Morian> instantbot: roadmap
22:12:39 <Morian> :)
22:12:39 <instantbot> Morian: You can find the roadmap at http://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Roadmap
22:13:35 <deOmega> yes, i  have seen the map  and appreciate
22:13:42 <deOmega> I actually have it bookmarked
22:14:04 <deOmega> more Ramble:
22:14:21 <deOmega> I use instantmessaging and mirc for business purposes
22:14:55 <deOmega> so, logging is a big deal.... and so is teh abilitity to  customize text, for teh sake of easy differentiation
22:15:54 <deOmega> I could  request a lot,  including  group chat, but I am not concerned at this moment about all teh extras....  just looking for  some  basic functions, and  the stuff I mentioned
22:16:27 <deOmega> Sadly too, i kinda do not care too much about the  Buddy list window, because that is usually out of the way, but welcome any enhancement you see is necessary
22:16:38 <flo> deOmega: you know instantbird already logs everything to the disk? There's just no UI to consult the logs
22:16:55 <deOmega> no, I did not know that
22:17:25 <Morian> :)
22:18:06 <Morian> C:\Documents and Settings\<USER>\Application Data\Instantbird\Profiles\ something.default\logs\
22:18:10 <deOmega> anyway i could retrieve it  1. now with  other software, 2.  later on when you implement teh manager, would it pick those up?
22:18:11 <Morian> if you are using windows
22:18:48 <deOmega> LOL .. you read my mind
22:20:31 <Morian> you won't be able to retrieve it with other softwares (maybe with pidgin if you copy/paste this dir in pidgin's profile)
22:20:59 <Morian> there will probably be a way to retrieve these logs with the log system in 0.3
22:22:14 <deOmega> ah, ok
22:22:32 <deOmega> i was just trying to see here
22:23:06 <deOmega> well,  just want you guys toknow that  from all i can tell, you have a large base of users on the prowl
22:24:19 <Morian> :)
22:25:06 <Morian> we hope people will get interested by 0.2 to help us doing 0.3 :)
22:25:52 <deOmega> I understand for sure
22:26:32 <deOmega> I know Flo said the installer package will be out too, so, that  will make the program   more readily available for people that  do not know much but just want to  chat
22:27:24 <Morian> :)
22:28:03 <Mic> ah, I installed TortoiseHG and finally I can create proper diffs as it seems :)
22:28:22 <Morian> cool :)
22:30:10 <Mic> Morian: It's %appdata%\Instantbird\Profiles\ by the way
22:30:27 <deOmega> may i ask, are some of you here in school while you work on Instantbird?
22:30:43 <Morian> I am
22:31:23 <flo> some of us graduate this year.
22:33:47 <deOmega> thanks, just trying to give someone  feedback
22:34:49 <deOmega> how does  someone go about  helping you guys
22:35:03 <deOmega> I suppose they just come in here and you give them  packages to work on?
22:35:23 <Morian> there are many ways to help :)
22:35:40 <Morian> coding, translating, give advices or propose nice features
22:35:55 <Morian> making addons, message themes, emoticon themes
22:36:44 <Morian> the best way if someone want to help us with coding is to read bugzilla.instantbird.org and to submit patches :)
22:37:47 <flo> or really, just find an itch to scratch. Look in the code, and fix/enhance the thing that really matters to you :)
22:38:47 <deOmega> lol. well, i see i have done a couple of those already.. about all i am good at technically:  give advices or propose nice features
22:39:00 <deOmega> lol
22:40:12 <Morian> I forgot that you can help too by using nightlies and report broken things :)
22:40:31 <flo> for people who are not experimented with the technologies used, it's better to start with small things, like "... and ... are misaligned, it's ugly, it hurts my eyes every day, I'd really like to fix it"
22:40:54 <Morian> We have a good variety of hardwares and platforms, but there are still some bugs we introduce and discover weeks after.
22:43:37 <deOmega> Well, i  will keep on doing my non-technical :)
22:44:14 <deOmega> I was just  speaking to someone that is eager to help you, as he is not only  very good, but  love  these kinds of things
22:44:36 <deOmega> however, he is in college and has a boatload of tasks right now
22:44:58 <deOmega> He has indicated that he will try to find a way to  come into teh room as soon as things slow down for him and offer a hand
22:45:16 <deOmega> he is really  extremely snart
22:45:43 <deOmega> And i know he will be open to any directions you guys have
22:46:01 <Morian> :)
22:46:14 <Morian> any help is welcomed
22:47:01 <deOmega> so, give him some time as his back is up agaiinst teh wall as he is getting ready to continue college and  finish some projects he has going on
22:48:07 <deOmega> And i definitely welcome the .02 which i understand will be launched  within a month
22:48:35 <Morian> 0.2beta maybe
22:48:55 * deOmega tries the power of suggestion
22:49:00 <Morian> but I honestly doubt 0.2 final will be ready within a month :)
22:49:03 <Morian> :p
22:49:30 <deOmega> beta would be welcome :)
22:50:27 <deOmega> I will do what i can indeed on my end.. i do know some tech stuff, but  not enough braincells left to  figure out what you guys are trying to do
22:52:36 <Morian> :), you can just idle in this chan or read bugzilla if you want to contribute with tech stuff
22:53:21 <deOmega> ok, i will set to idle here.
22:53:50 <Mic> Try https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=OPEN to see the currently open (= has to be fixed) bugs on the bugtracking system
22:53:59 <deOmega> tell you what though.. that search feature in the  message  window.. priceless
22:55:12 <Morian> the firefox' search bar :)
22:56:05 <Morian> actually a "not really a bug" prevents from searching text backward, but it will be fixed (at most in 0.2 release)
22:56:06 <deOmega> lol. but u know, i do not  see that feature in  othe rmessengers i have tried
22:56:29 <deOmega> i could highlight a word just as in  firefox and search it etc
22:56:41 <deOmega> no other messenger i recall anyway
22:57:06 <deOmega> OK< i am loooking at the bugzilla
22:58:24 <deOmega> I will try to  see what i can do besides read them
22:59:22 <flo> add some more ;)
23:00:10 <Mic> yep, we noticed that we're running low on them ;)
23:00:22 <deOmega> Ohh   lol
23:00:26 <Morian> lol
23:01:07 <deOmega> but i woud think a bug is not so much teh need for  some sort of enhancement, but something not working right
23:01:29 <deOmega> I have never had any problems with anything oninstantbird not working right... other than lack of features
23:01:40 <Morian> :)
23:01:57 <Morian> we had a 100% CPU + Crash a few hours ago :-D
23:02:11 <Morian> (fixed in tomorrow's nightly)
23:02:45 <deOmega> ok, i am learning
23:04:17 <Morian> (it was a very special case, it's not going to happen to everyone)
23:04:55 <deOmega> well, what i am learning here  is that it is not a bad idea to keep  using instantbird in an effort to help you guys, as opposed to when it is  finished
23:05:51 <Morian> the more people we have using the nightlies, the more bugs we can find
23:11:19 <Mic> Maybe we should do something against the fake users on the wiki.
23:11:38 <Mic> They've started adding spam/adverts recently
23:11:47 <flo> arg
23:11:58 <Mic> Just on their users pages, but anyways
23:12:17 <Mic> http://wiki.instantbird.org/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&username=&group=&creationSort=1&limit=500
23:12:29 <Mic> (I order of appearance;)
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23:19:23 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 228 filed by romain@bezut.info.
23:19:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=228 nor, --, 0.2, florian, NEW, autologin disabling on crash triggers when an account has no password
23:19:41 <deOmega> so on fonts, allowing the sender's font to come through   helps
23:21:54 <Morian> (this is planed for 0.3)
23:22:52 <deOmega> well, it is working now,  in terms of bold
23:23:07 <flo> that's just a preference
23:23:11 <deOmega> i am chatting with someone now and his bold font is coming through as such.. just not the color, for what it is worth
23:23:33 <flo> if you want the color too, you can change the value of the preference from about:config
23:23:57 <deOmega> ohh,  will do that
23:24:47 <Mic> Do you know how to go to the "about:config" dialog?
23:25:14 <deOmega> i think i saved teh instructions i got from flo
23:25:49 <Mic> ok, fine
23:26:15 <deOmega>  type openDialog('about:config')
23:26:46 <deOmega> i  am trying to keep notes
23:30:30 <deOmega> persistentIM  . could one connect  through  instantbird using that?
23:31:37 <deOmega> to conference?
23:31:52 <Morian> it's a protocol?
23:31:54 <deOmega> digsby and some others do not have conferencing as yet
23:31:59 <deOmega> and that allows  it  in them
23:32:19 <deOmega> if it does,  one of my peers will   keep using  Instantbird
23:32:24 <deOmega> let me get the info
23:33:35 <deOmega> http://persistent.im/Home.jsp
23:34:20 <deOmega> he  seems interested in  supporting you guys, so we will try it i am sure and givea any feedback necessary
23:35:53 <flo> that will probably work with instantbird
23:40:58 <deOmega> ok,   we will let you know..  this other guy is interested and knows someone he thinks would be  also interested
23:41:12 <deOmega> dunno if or when they will make it in here.
23:43:19 <deOmega> his response:   'cool, i will review. I love open source'
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23:47:50 <deOmega> hey... godo news
23:48:03 <deOmega> I can get to teh history through windows
23:48:10 <deOmega> the history log
23:48:19 <deOmega> and  read them
23:48:38 <Morian> :)
23:48:43 <deOmega> they open in  notepad
23:49:59 <deOmega> now listen, i am not trying to make you into digsby... at all.. but they  have those saved in the document folder
23:51:07 <deOmega> what one could do in teh mean time, if have a shortcut to wherver they are saved
23:56:41 <Morian> mmh, the current log system is an heritage from libpurple, it will be entirely redesigned in the future