#instantbird log on 08 08 2016

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03:33:41 <instant-buildbot> build #3262 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/3262
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05:04:12 <instant-buildbot> build #3263 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/3263
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14:08:14 <clokep_work> Hello abdelrhman!
14:08:15 <clokep_work> How's it going?
14:08:43 <abdelrhman> Hi, finishing Data forms and I'll submit it today
14:09:28 <abdelrhman> I made some modifications to allow adding in-band registration easily 
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14:11:25 * abdelrhman is testing it now
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14:12:14 <clokep_work> abdelrhman: Cool! :) Did my comments mostly make sense?
14:13:30 <abdelrhman> yes :)
14:13:44 <abdelrhman> Will you have a time to review it today?
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14:21:54 <clokep_work> abdelrhman: I can try to.
14:33:10 <sukhe> abdelrhman: hello!
14:36:41 <abdelrhman> Hi :), Thanks for offering help. Currently, we 're working implementing and supporting Data Forms (bug 1269331) which will allow us to implement in-band registration in better way
14:37:12 <abdelrhman> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269331
14:38:18 <sukhe> ah interesting
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15:56:20 <clokep_work> SamWhited is doing a survey on XMPP usage, if you want to fill it and give your data to Google: https://goo.gl/forms/nN9H6kNurWTwTArb2 (via devel@pidgin)
15:57:31 <clokep_work> (FYI I copy and pasted that, don't know who that is or anything. :P)
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18:11:55 <freaktechnik> hmm, let's do some stress testing of this PC.
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18:16:39 <clokep_work> Logging into a twitch channel w/ 5000000000000 people?
18:16:47 <freaktechnik> \o/ it's holding up pretty well (justinfan111111:blah@irc.chat.twitch.tv#dota2ti)
18:16:57 <freaktechnik> yeah, though I have user list disabled
18:17:02 <freaktechnik> because that'd probably still be death
18:17:43 <freaktechnik> it is even slightly ahead of the web-version
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18:29:00 <clokep_work> Cool. :)
18:38:20 <Tonnes> hey guys.. what's the staus of IB?
18:38:25 <Tonnes> s/status
18:42:02 <clokep_work> Tonnes: What does that question mean?
18:42:08 <clokep_work> What are you really asking?
18:42:19 <Tonnes> seen no dev build for a while, l10n updates do not generate new build, previous questions on mailing list unanswered...
18:42:20 <freaktechnik> hm, so I decided to try with populating the participants list and decided to stop after ~40000 (and the messages being behind like 10 minutes due to the sync nature of adding participants) https://www.dropbox.com/s/zkg7u1q3vgu0u8k/Screenshot%202016-08-08%2020.40.04.png?dl=0
18:42:47 <clokep_work> Tonnes: AFAIK there's one unanswered message on the mailing list.
18:42:50 <clokep_work> From a few days ago.
18:42:57 <clokep_work> We've had nightly linux and Mac builds for a while.
18:43:00 <clokep_work> Windows is still not working.
18:43:06 <clokep_work> l10n updates have been broken forever, yes.
18:43:27 <Tonnes> thanks :)
18:43:31 <clokep_work> freaktechnik: That's ghetto looking. ;)
18:43:49 <clokep_work> Tonnes: Honestly I'm not sure about our plan for Windows. I think someone needs to bite the bullet and make a new system from scratch, which is...not fun.
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18:44:01 <clokep_work> And l10n...not sure either. I've never dealt w/ that. flo-retina might have a better idea.
18:44:26 <Tonnes> I see
18:44:35 <freaktechnik> clokep_work: well, it's supposed to count up to like 100000 or something for participants, but I'm too scared to load the raw JSON and check the length, but firefox can add all those people to an <ul> no problem ;)
18:44:43 <Tonnes> bug 953883 still unfixed..
18:45:05 <Tonnes> is the mailing list on google or mail-only?
18:45:18 <clokep_work> It's on mailman.
18:45:23 <clokep_work> It's probably mirrored to google.
18:45:25 <flo-retina> clokep_work: so I think I worked on un-breaking l10n-repackaging a while ago
18:45:31 <freaktechnik> (but the "vanilla" version is still holding up good)
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18:45:39 <flo-retina> and got mostly there, to the point that I managed to make a repackaged French build locally
18:45:45 <clokep_work> Tonnes: https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-instantbird
18:45:48 <flo-retina> but I didn't get to the point where I managed to have it automated in buildbot
18:45:53 <clokep_work> Tonnes: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mozilla.support.instantbird
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18:46:36 <clokep_work> Tonnes: bug 953883 I personally have no opinion about it.
18:46:56 <Tonnes> was looking for https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/instantbird-l10n in fact
18:47:42 <Tonnes> (last message Juli 31 15)
18:48:08 <Aryx> hi, if i am in a xmpp conference and type /version <contact jid>, Tb tells me that i have to start the conversation because it can be connected from multiple devices
18:48:38 <Tonnes> http://www.instantbird.com/nl/release-notes.html still untranslated
18:48:39 <Aryx> is that expected? shouldn't it be independent from the currently selected conference/contact?
18:49:51 <clokep_work> Does that just require pushing the website?
18:49:55 <clokep_work> Aryx: I'm not sure...
18:50:00 <clokep_work> You'd have to ask aleth or abdelrhman.
18:50:30 <clokep_work> I also...don't see that as an option in a conference?
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18:51:23 <Aryx> imho everything needed is in the command /version user@host, but my xmpp knowledge is rusty
18:51:26 <clokep_work> Aryx: Yeah..I don't see a /version command. :-S
18:51:36 <Aryx> it's in 50+
18:52:00 <clokep_work> Sure. I'm on a nightly build of IB.
18:52:01 <clokep_work> I don't see it.
18:52:16 <clokep_work> ...I wonder if we have that annoying issue of libpurple vs. JS commands still. :(
18:52:54 <Aryx> it works if i have the contact selected *shrugs*
18:55:49 <clokep_work> (o_O)
18:55:50 <Tonnes> clokep_work: no push involved afaik, it used to work automatically
18:56:22 <Tonnes> if you were referring to th erelease notes that is
18:57:41 <clokep_work> I was.
18:57:46 <clokep_work> I don't think it was completely automatic.
18:58:33 <Tonnes> hmm
19:01:02 <Tonnes> sorry if i write this and I don't want to be rude but can you imagine someone putting energy in keeping up with l10n stuff to be a bit disappointed when seeing no action to these 3 issues for more than a year? I'd like to update things once again now but feel it's pointless somehow - it's just like the project is dead
19:02:10 <flo-retina> Tonnes: I understand your frustrating.
19:02:20 <flo-retina> Tonnes: it's actually very frustrating to me to have no good answer to give you.
19:02:28 <Tonnes> :)
19:02:36 <Tonnes> you're florian, right?
19:02:43 <flo-retina> I'd like to tell you when it'll be fixed, but honestly I don't know, and I don't want to just make up something to please you...
19:02:46 <flo-retina> yes I am
19:03:21 <Tonnes> we nmay have discussed this a tiny bit at last year's workweek in W
19:03:30 <flo-retina> right, in Whistler
19:03:36 <flo-retina> which is a long time ago already
19:03:42 <Tonnes> yup
19:04:59 <Tonnes> well, if I compare Mozilla (and related) projects to trains and planes, I'd say it's best to inform people about statuses when there's some delay or cancellations involved
19:05:15 <Tonnes> i.e. things could be posted on websites
19:06:30 <flo-retina> so what should we write on the website?
19:07:06 <flo-retina> "we are not building Windows nightly because our friend who hosted that builder moved, and his new office doesn't have the Internet"?
19:07:13 <flo-retina> that doesn't sound serious, right?
19:07:54 <flo-retina> (it's the actual situation... The person who hosts that builder has been procrastinating putting a network wire to the room with his desktop computer for months now...)
19:09:12 <Tonnes> wow..
19:09:45 <flo-retina> at this point we don't really expect it to happen anymore
19:09:47 <Tonnes> well it;s not very fancy for a website, no
19:09:59 <flo-retina> so I should setup a new Windows builder in my house
19:10:24 <flo-retina> but the last time I touched builders, I unbroke Mac which required a new compiler (and it took us a couple attempts to understand what was wrong)
19:11:09 <Tonnes> I see.. well that eplains the missing win builds
19:11:56 <flo-retina> for l10n, our plan is/was to install a second set of builders, that would produce localized builds (off aurora for a couple weeks, then off beta for the rest of the cycle) automatically every week.
19:12:11 <flo-retina> and ship automatically with every other Mozilla release.
19:12:13 <instantbot> New Chat Core - XMPP bug 1293370 filed by aryx.bugmail@gmx-topmail.de.
19:12:24 <flo-retina> but we are already struggling with maintaining the first set of builders
19:12:26 <Tonnes> that sounds good
19:12:40 <flo-retina> (actually, I still haven't managed to finish re-installing the Linux32 builder)
19:13:52 <Tonnes> I see.. well this is helpful, as I started to wonder if i should just set up a linux VM in order to test some l10n - also useful for other products that have no win builds
19:15:00 <flo-retina> linux64 and Mac have nightlies currently
19:15:09 <flo-retina> both of these builders are in my house
19:15:14 <freaktechnik> (I think I crashed tb by having a timeout that infinitely timeouts)
19:15:26 <Tonnes> yep.. oh that would require a 64 cpu here :)
19:15:54 <flo-retina> do you still have 32bit ones? :)
19:16:07 <Tonnes> well.. in fact it is 64, but win is 32 :)
19:16:54 <Tonnes> I guess a 64 bit VM requires a 64 bit OS to run on, right?
19:17:46 <Aryx> yes
19:20:00 * clokep_work wonders if people are really on 32-bit processors still.
19:20:18 <freaktechnik> (not necessarily, if the processor has 64bit support depending on the VM layer it might work, but uh, don't rely on it)
19:22:20 <Tonnes> interesting..
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