#instantbird log on 03 22 2016

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00:49:31 <nhnt11> aleth: Was someone working on buddy tooltips for IRC buddies that aren't contacts?
00:49:34 * nhnt11 can't remember
00:51:16 <nhnt11> I'm thinking specifically of the case where I'm in a private conversation with someone and hover over the tab/conv header
00:58:27 <aleth> nhnt11: clokep had a wip
00:59:01 <aleth> it's not just the tooltips, you have to fix the underlying bug
00:59:37 <nhnt11> sure, tooltips certainly already work for non-contacts in MUCs
01:00:03 * nhnt11 shrugs
01:00:16 <aleth> bug 954049
01:00:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954049 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Presence information for IRC private messages from people not on the buddy list
01:00:22 <aleth> knock yourself out ;)
01:00:24 <nhnt11> thanks!
01:01:06 <nhnt11> that looks intense :(
01:04:19 <nhnt11> aleth: that bug does more than just tooltips
01:04:22 <nhnt11> from what I can see
01:04:34 <aleth> sure, it fixes the underlying problem :P
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01:05:13 <aleth> the WIP looks pretty good, going by the comments
01:08:39 <nhnt11> huh, I just discovered Hardware IO Tools for Xcode
01:08:54 <nhnt11> Includes a tool that lets you simulate network conditions among other things
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01:20:36 <nhnt11> well, I've got tooltips to work
01:20:40 <nhnt11> with a 2 line change ;)
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01:33:34 * nhnt11 wonders if aleth has time to review that (1 line) patch right now
01:33:40 <nhnt11> oh, he's gone...
01:34:01 <nhnt11> oh well, tomorrow!
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03:11:36 <instant-buildbot> build #641 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/641
03:12:49 <instant-buildbot> build #3110 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/3110
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13:33:48 <bgmCoder> Say, everytime I start Instantbird, I get a notice from NickServ saying my nickname is registered and protected
13:34:19 <bgmCoder> How can I stop it?
13:34:32 <bgmCoder> or figure out why it's asking
13:34:43 <bgmCoder> I'm obviously connected with my nick already
13:35:11 <freaktechnik> I don't think you can hide the messages from nickserv, instantbird just handles the actual indentification
13:35:23 <freaktechnik> I think there is an extension for it, thinking about it
13:35:24 <clokep_work> bgmCoder: Did you type your password into Instantbird when you registered your nick?
13:35:34 <bgmCoder> I think so
13:35:37 <clokep_work> Are you using someone else's nick? :P
13:35:44 <freaktechnik> https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/209
13:35:59 <freaktechnik> oh wait
13:36:05 <clokep_work> freaktechnik: That hasn't be necessary for years.
13:36:39 <freaktechnik> I'm confused because of what happens on some servers, where nickserv behaves strangely (not IMO though)
13:37:12 <bgmCoder> it connects all my freenode accounts fine
13:37:48 <bgmCoder> What I think it is is I have an account for irc.efnet.net
13:37:55 <bgmCoder> and I think it's asking for that
13:38:06 <bgmCoder> but I don't have any auto-join channels in it
13:38:10 <bgmCoder> and it's set to not connect
13:41:35 <bgmCoder> I'm going to delete that irc account and restart to see if it clears it
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13:42:29 <bgmCoder> nope, wasn't that
13:43:25 <bgmCoder> So I am guessing that whilst one account is logging in my nick, another account is checking to see if it is taken
13:43:36 <freaktechnik> you can hover over the tab to see what account that's coming from
13:43:58 <bgmCoder> ooohhhh - I didn't realize that.  It's from this channel, in fact
13:44:04 <freaktechnik> from IMO
13:44:13 <bgmCoder> or this server - irc.mozilla.org
13:44:24 <bgmCoder> ohhhhh - that's what IMO means...
13:44:27 <freaktechnik> and you're not authed here, so you have no password set
13:44:40 <freaktechnik> yes, IMO is irc.mozilla.org, BMO is bugzilla, SUMO is support etc.
13:45:19 <bgmCoder> sorry, I thought you were saying, "In My Opinion" or something like that
13:45:25 <bgmCoder> haha
13:47:13 <bgmCoder> okay, I think you were right - I noticed the password field was empty for that account...
13:47:36 <freaktechnik> yeah, you're not identified here (you can see that in your whois or ask nickserv himself)
13:48:34 <bgmCoder> that's weird isn't it?
13:48:43 <bgmCoder> okay, I'm restarting; bb
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13:49:01 <clokep_work> freaktechnik: irc.mozilla.org == moznet, not IMO ;)
13:49:06 <freaktechnik> now you're identified :)
13:49:16 <bgmCoder> haha!  and no annoying tab!
13:49:19 <bgmCoder> thanks!
13:49:37 <bgmCoder> That's been bugging me for months
13:49:39 <freaktechnik> clokep_work: That's like fx vs. ff...
13:49:46 <freaktechnik> well, for about 23 days, probably :P
13:49:54 <freaktechnik> because that's when you last identified with nickserv
13:50:05 <bgmCoder> no for months
13:50:14 <bgmCoder> I've manually signed in once or twice
13:50:20 <bgmCoder> to see what happens
13:50:26 <bgmCoder> but didn't notice anything different
13:50:39 <freaktechnik> you get a registered thing in your whois
13:50:55 <freaktechnik> and if you were to have any op or voiced status you'd need to register to get them afaik
13:51:22 <bgmCoder> ah okay.  I'm just a peon.
13:52:28 <bgmCoder> Now I have that feeling you get after you brush your teeth
13:56:04 <bgmCoder> Hey, did you know that Pluto revolves around an empty spot in space?
13:56:25 <clokep_work> Don't a lot of things? :P
13:56:28 <bgmCoder> instead of just rotating in place?
13:56:33 <bgmCoder> interesting, no?
13:56:36 <bgmCoder> http://space-facts.com/pluto/
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17:38:28 <durwasa> Any idea why a transition from http://imgur.com/Mq3xzGE to this http://imgur.com/tibhhrh occurs ? Bug 954368 
17:38:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954368 nor, --, ---, durwasa.chakraborty, ASSI, em and pt usage in CSS causes size/alignment errors for certain font sizes and DPI settings
17:39:04 <durwasa> just by changing the font weight ?
17:41:23 <clokep_work> durwasa: Font weight changes the size, no?
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17:43:19 <durwasa> clokep_work, ya even i thought the same and did some math prior to that ... 
17:43:41 <durwasa> aleth sir, any input?
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17:45:11 <aleth> A different font weight means a different font file which can in principle have different metrics
17:47:15 <clokep_work> Neat, I didn't know that. :)
17:48:08 <durwasa> +1 aleth :) :) 
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17:50:11 <durwasa> aleth, so the acceptable solution would be ... if i open gnome-tweak-tool and pull down a random font and a random size then also the characters should not truncate right ?
17:51:20 <aleth> Generally changing the font weight will not fix that bug.
17:51:34 <aleth> It'll just make everything bold ;)
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17:53:21 <durwasa> Okay ... I have an alternate solution ready as well ... hopefully i can make the patch this time :P 
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18:12:20 <durwasa> can anyone help me with determining  on-screen height for a font size ?
18:12:59 * clokep_work suspects your way of going about this is wrong. :(
18:13:14 <clokep_work> Interesting, Just got an email about Yahoo Messenger...
18:13:39 <aleth> durwasa: you can count pixels on a screenshot
18:13:42 <clokep_work> To update Mobile ones, and to essentially stop using the Windows/Mac apps and use the website.
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18:15:17 * clokep_work wonders if they're going to kill their protocol.
18:15:21 <clokep_work> Or changed it dramatically.
18:15:28 <clokep_work> Like...you know...adding SSL onto it. :P
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18:25:08 <clokep_work> arlolra: So did you need anything from us, sorry lost the train on the Twitter changes.
18:25:36 <arlolra> one sec, let me see
18:28:55 <arlolra> so there's one actionable comment, removing the stored tweet once used
18:30:17 <arlolra> but it sounds like aleth wants me to splits these changes up into 3 patches
18:30:40 <arlolra> (4 counting the twitter-text patch which is already +'d)
18:31:20 <arlolra> 1) using the parser from that library rather than the hand rolled one with the data returned from twitter
18:31:36 <arlolra> 2) the changes necessary for dms
18:31:46 <arlolra> 3) anything additional for otr
18:32:49 <aleth> well, clokep_work is your reviewer, so go with what he's happy with ;)
18:33:50 <clokep_work> arlolra: That's not required, but I can guarantee faster review time if it's done that way. :)
18:34:38 <arlolra> goes mercurial have a `git rebase -i` equivalent?
18:34:43 <arlolra> s/goes/does/
18:36:10 <arlolra> oh, there's also the question flo had about the uninitialized convo in the onsentcallback
18:37:56 <clokep_work> arlolra: hg histedit, I think is the closest.
18:38:01 <clokep_work> aleth might use something else.
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18:38:54 <aleth> hg rebase also exists, not sure how close it is to the git one.
18:39:49 <aleth> And there's crecord to split up patches, but I've not used that mysefl
18:40:48 <arlolra> can I just point you to a git branch?
18:44:39 <clokep_work> You can jsut export the patches from git?
18:44:43 <clokep_work> Why mess with both of them?
18:47:43 <clokep_work> arlolra: You could just do |git show| to get a unified diff and upload those.
18:47:48 <clokep_work> They should apply fine in Mercurial.
18:47:51 <clokep_work> I think...
18:49:27 <arlolra> https://github.com/mozilla/moz-git-tools
18:49:34 <arlolra> git-patch-to-hg-patch
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19:07:53 <clokep_work> I...don't even think you need to do that.
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19:50:00 <jsmaniac> hello everybody, I want to discuss about the possibility of adding native support for Telegram protocol in IB . I use it daily and would love to have it in IB :) . give your opinions please !
19:51:06 <jsmaniac> also to mention I have tried this extension https://github.com/ajsb85/instantbird-protocol-telegram :)
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19:57:53 <clokep_work> I've never seen taht extension...interesting.
19:58:20 <clokep_work> jsmaniac: That just looks like an example extension?
20:00:03 <jsmaniac> I cloned the repo, generated an xpi file and installed it my IB , everything fine till there , but when I tried adding my Telegram through the account manager window, there was no Telegram option .
20:01:08 <clokep_work> jsmaniac: Did you look at that code?
20:01:15 <clokep_work> It doesn't do anything to connect to telegram.
20:02:42 <EionRobb> there's plenty of node.js code around for telegram though... what's needed to port node.js code to IB?
20:03:14 <jsmaniac> this has the complete code https://github.com/zhukov/webogram in nodejs
20:03:14 <clokep_work> EionRobb: Depends, but usually it isn't terrible. I think the worst part is socket APIs...
20:03:39 <clokep_work> jsmaniac: So I think some people would be interested in Telegram, yes.
20:03:43 <clokep_work> I know little about it. :)
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20:04:12 <EionRobb> jsmaniac: there's also https://github.com/enricostara/telegram.link/
20:04:40 <jsmaniac> yeah I had a look on it :) I tried both of these on my local machine
20:07:09 <jsmaniac> this would be an interesting project , because Telegram has a weird way of providing API's , it doesn't provide direct endpoints to communicate to . It has a special TL( type language ) in which queries should be written, which are executed on server through RPC ( still researching please correct me if wrong ) 
20:08:09 <EionRobb> Telegram is a mess of NIH syndrome :)
20:08:51 <jsmaniac> haha do you say that , because those guys implemented there own ways of encryption in MTProto ?
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20:09:15 <jsmaniac> I went through this https://core.telegram.org/mtproto 
20:09:19 <EionRobb> they implemented everything.  *everything*.  no existing anything was good enough for them
20:09:45 <EionRobb> they invented their own version of protobufs, their own crypto, their own DHT mechanism
20:10:15 <EionRobb> hell, in their C code they (badly) implement their own red-black trees and other algorithms
20:10:51 <EionRobb> the C code is just a nightmare to work with
20:10:59 <EionRobb> but you won't have that problem ;)
20:11:02 <jsmaniac> woaahhh now that's a deep level of "re-inventing the wheel" stuff 
20:11:54 <EionRobb> yeah, and its not like they did it once, they'd re-implement trees multiple times in different ways
20:12:08 <EionRobb> so many different file reading code blocks that are all broken in their own way
20:12:09 <EionRobb> ugh
20:12:10 <EionRobb> anyway
20:12:29 <jsmaniac> also I had a question that arised while going through all the hate on HN about their cypto stuff 
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20:16:05 <jsmaniac1> I am a noob at this cryptology stuff , but from what I understood , they tried to make the AES key dependent on data so as to prevent chosen plain text attacks. To make the key they used MAC then SHA1 of the message. People *everywhere* say that never do MAC then encrypt , why ?
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20:33:16 <clokep_work> (o_O)...Why...do people...do that...
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21:45:25 <bgmCoder> Hey, fellas, I run my own freepbx server here, and I've installed the XMPP module
21:45:38 <bgmCoder> but when I set things up I get SSL cert errors
21:45:56 <bgmCoder> I don't see any ignore SSL error option
21:46:12 <clokep_work> bgmCoder: Right so it's implemented through libpurple which we can't ignore certs for at the moment.
21:46:21 <clokep_work> If you switch to the JavaScript one you can ignore it.
21:46:28 <clokep_work> Or you can import your certificate into the cert store.
21:52:27 <bgmCoder> I don't have a cert
21:52:51 <bgmCoder> can I make my own?
21:53:00 <bgmCoder> I just want to run this on my LAN
21:53:03 <EionRobb> your server will be providing one
21:54:27 <bgmCoder> I want to configure instantbird with my XMPP for the people in my office
21:54:40 <bgmCoder> So I don't want a lot to do on the client side to get it to work
21:55:24 <clokep_work> bgmCoder: You *do* have a cert if you're connecting over SSL.
21:55:50 <bgmCoder> But it's not connecting
21:55:57 <bgmCoder> it always fails the handshake
21:56:01 <clokep_work> Because the certificate is self-signed.
21:56:11 <bgmCoder> ah, okay
21:56:43 <clokep_work> bgmCoder: Tools > Preferences
21:56:52 <clokep_work> Advanced > Certificates
21:57:25 <bgmCoder> so I would have to do that for every client?
21:57:27 <clokep_work> Servers > Add Exception...
21:57:40 <clokep_work> bgmCoder: I'm not sure what you're trying to set up or exactly what you mean by "client".
21:57:47 <bgmCoder> instantbird
21:57:52 <bgmCoder> it's a client, isn't it?
21:57:55 <clokep_work> Yes.
21:58:03 <clokep_work> I wasn't sure if you were using it like that or to mean a "person"
21:58:12 <clokep_work> For each installation of Instantbird you want to connect to it you'd need to do this.
21:58:16 <bgmCoder> oh - a "person" - you mean like a user
21:58:37 <clokep_work> You can likely automate certificate bundles, but I don't know how to do that.
21:58:43 <clokep_work> So if it's for a few people, it shouldn't be hard.
21:58:46 <bgmCoder> okay
21:58:49 <clokep_work> But I don't know what you're *trying* to do.
21:58:52 <aleth> Might be easier to switch to the JS-XMPP prpl and then use the exception UI
21:59:03 <clokep_work> You'll have this issue with any XMPP client you use, by the way...
21:59:03 <aleth> As clokep_work suggested ;)
21:59:18 <bgmCoder> how do I do that? swicth?
21:59:18 <clokep_work> And if you *don't* have that issue, it means the client isn't checking SSL certificates, which is not a good idea...
22:00:26 <aleth> bgmCoder: remove prpl-jabber from the chat.prpls.forcePurple pref
22:01:06 <bgmCoder> that's it?
22:01:20 <bgmCoder> I should leave it enabled, though?
22:01:22 <aleth> then restart
22:01:51 <aleth> leave what enabled?
22:01:59 <bgmCoder> chat.prpls.prpl-skype.disable
22:02:13 <bgmCoder> well, enabled...  it's set to true
22:02:19 <bgmCoder> oh
22:02:19 <aleth> that's about skype, it has nothing to do with XMPP
22:02:21 <bgmCoder> never mind
22:02:27 <bgmCoder> that's about skype
22:02:30 <bgmCoder> sorry
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22:03:46 <bgmCoder> it works!
22:03:49 <bgmCoder> haha!
22:03:54 <bgmCoder> thanks, guys
22:04:04 <clokep_work> No problem.
22:05:10 <EionRobb> you should probably still install the cert though, or get a real cert from somewhere
22:05:53 <aleth> https://letsencrypt.org/
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22:07:06 <bgmCoder> I'd have to pay for it though
22:07:15 <bgmCoder> I'd rather accept the invalid cert
22:07:19 <aleth> did you actually click on the link I just gave you?
22:07:22 <bgmCoder> which I know is valid
22:07:26 <bgmCoder> no
22:07:36 <EionRobb> lol
22:07:45 <bgmCoder> oh :-]
22:08:01 <bgmCoder> haha
22:08:05 <bgmCoder> uuuuuhhh
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22:11:35 <bgmCoder> I have an instantbird idea
22:11:55 <bgmCoder> IB has the option to "run at startup"
22:12:21 <bgmCoder> but I think it should have the option also to have this startup run with a minimized window
22:12:40 <bgmCoder> Actually, no it doesn't have the startup option....
22:12:57 <bgmCoder> So I have to create a shortcut to IB and put it in the startup folder
22:13:09 <bgmCoder> and in the shortcut prefs set it to run minimized
22:13:18 <bgmCoder> otherwise the window annoys people
22:13:35 <bgmCoder> :-D
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22:19:20 <aleth> bgmCoder: minimize on startup works on Linux but not Windows, bug 955109\
22:19:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955109 enh, --, 1.4, nobody, REOP, Enable "minimize on startup"
22:19:34 <bgmCoder> ah
22:19:49 <bgmCoder> I have to set it in the shortcut
22:19:51 <bgmCoder> it works there
22:19:55 <aleth> yes
22:20:00 <bgmCoder> maybe it could be done in the installer?
22:20:06 <bgmCoder> just an idea
22:20:10 <bgmCoder> I'm full of it
22:20:15 <bgmCoder> in case you haven't noticed
22:20:30 <bgmCoder> (you don't have to agree)
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22:24:10 <jsmaniac1> I found my crypto answer here :) http://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/202/should-we-mac-then-encrypt-or-encrypt-then-mac
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22:37:32 <bgmCoder> when I hook up the xmpp account, how can I get it to pull the display name for the contact list?
22:37:55 <bgmCoder> the list populates as soandso@chat.myserver.com
22:38:03 <bgmCoder> instead of "So and So"
22:38:57 <clokep_work> abdelrhman might know that...
22:39:05 <clokep_work> But I'd expect that to get pulled automatically.
22:39:26 <clokep_work> bgmCoder: Also...most of us loathe the tray icon code in IB so...I doubt we'll do that. ;)
22:40:02 <bgmCoder> you mean the brown thing?
22:40:04 <bgmCoder> yeah
22:40:37 <bgmCoder> clokep_work: so how do I get the display name to show instead?
22:41:14 <clokep_work> What brown thing? Huh?
22:41:20 <bgmCoder> the tray icon
22:41:26 <bgmCoder> that you loathe
22:42:30 <clokep_work> It's the Instantbird icon, yes.
22:43:21 <EionRobb> you should make it a pretty pink, then you might like it
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22:47:43 <clokep_work> It's not the icon I don't like.
22:47:45 <clokep_work> It's the *code*
22:47:49 <clokep_work> And the concept. ;)
22:48:22 <EionRobb> so the code needs more pink too?
22:48:26 <clokep_work> Yes!
22:48:29 <EionRobb> yay
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23:38:34 <nhnt11> aleth: I was using account.normalize() and then changed it to getChatBuddywhatever because I saw it was being used below :(
23:38:42 <nhnt11> I thought I tested it
23:38:44 <nhnt11> :-/
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