#instantbird log on 07 06 2015

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03:27:06 <instant-buildbot> build #1721 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1721
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13:53:46 <clokep_work> aleth: We did have the tags stuff land?
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14:03:38 <clokep_work> aleth: What sort of errors were you seeing?
14:03:58 <aleth> Typeerrors in command handling code
14:04:32 <clokep_work> Oh, hmm...
14:04:39 <clokep_work> I don't remember us landing anything about that.
14:05:14 * clokep_work test
14:06:19 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Other bug 1180698 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
14:06:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1180698 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Awesometab has non-functional entries for contacts with status=unknown
14:06:27 <aleth> No idea what produced them, it's probably some indirect thing.
14:11:39 <clokep_work> :-\
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14:45:42 <clokep_work> freaktechnik: Looks like things are working fine on normal IRC networks. :)
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14:51:45 * flo-retina discovers that pressing Command+t and then <enter> does absolutely nothing :)
14:51:57 <flo-retina> well, it opens the awesometab, and then switches back to #instantbird ;)
14:52:12 <clokep_work> For me too. :-D
14:52:16 <flo-retina> hmm, of course this only works in the most used channel :)
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15:27:34 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Glad to hear we're your most used channel.
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17:54:58 <clokep_work> Apparently we don't properly highlight around people who have weird characters, like _AxS_ in #maildev.
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18:45:52 <arlolra> is there any reason for "Search engines" in Prefs > Advanced > General ?
18:49:12 <aleth> arlolra: Select some text and you can search from the context menu.
18:49:46 <arlolra> intresting
18:49:53 <arlolra> thanks
18:50:14 <aleth> iirc it needs updating, there's an open bug on that.
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18:55:40 <clokep_work> (They should still work...)
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23:00:37 <nhnt11> Ughhh
23:00:47 <nhnt11> I was just talking to Jill about Instantbid
23:00:48 <nhnt11> bird*
23:01:00 <nhnt11> Automatic LIST results in the awesometab isn't working on her fresh profile on 1.5!
23:03:27 <flo-retina> fix it?
23:03:38 <aleth> 1.5 is too long ago :-/
23:03:52 <flo-retina> yeah...
23:04:11 <aleth> nhnt11: did she try in the first minute after connecting?
23:04:20 <nhnt11> aleth: well yeah
23:04:28 <nhnt11> hmm, we wait a minute, don't we
23:04:31 <aleth> moznet doesn't allow that (bug fixed for 1.6)
23:05:22 <nhnt11> ahh yeah
23:06:05 <flo-retina> we desperately need to get a release out the door :(
23:06:15 <aleth> Bug 1082501
23:06:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1082501 nor, --, 1.6, aleth, RESO FIXED, LIST fails on some servers during the first minute after connection
23:06:47 <nhnt11> flo-retina: We should have a system for uplifting stuff like this honestly
23:07:10 <flo-retina> nhnt11: what does "uplifting" mean when there's no release being built?
23:07:33 <nhnt11> yeah I mean for after we have a release
23:07:46 <flo-retina> you are just saying we should release again
23:07:49 <nhnt11> Right now we have infrastructure to just merge nightly into release and build, right?
23:08:42 <nhnt11> we will* have
23:08:43 <aleth> There has been no release since the move to c-c
23:08:53 * nhnt11 knows
23:09:26 <flo-retina> I don't understand "we have infrastructure to just merge nightly into release and build"
23:09:47 <flo-retina> right now there's no infrastructure in place to do anything that's not a nightly
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23:17:23 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Sorry. Let me rephrase the whole thing. Do we have plans to be able to make point releases
23:17:24 <nhnt11> ?
23:18:12 <flo-retina> what's the goal?
23:18:15 <flo-retina> who would maintain that?
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23:18:51 <flo-retina> shipping weekly aurora/beta builds seems more useful to me currently
23:19:20 <nhnt11> Well, if something happened that broke LIST in the awesometab (freenode changes some server settings) we should be able to get a fix out asap, right?
23:19:45 <flo-retina> no
23:20:25 <nhnt11> why not?
23:20:26 <flo-retina> if something happened that very seriously compromised our users' security, our fully prevented connecting to a major network, we should be able to chemspill
23:20:48 <flo-retina> LIST being broken for a month on a specific server doesn't seem to deserve that much effort
23:21:04 <flo-retina> nhnt11: why not? Because who would be doing the release work?
23:21:25 <flo-retina> nhnt11: I think you care about this now because it seems the next release is always too far away.
23:21:33 <flo-retina> nhnt11: if we start shipping frequently, it won't matter as much.
23:21:40 <nhnt11> hmm, maybe
23:21:43 <flo-retina> especially if there's a fresh beta every week
23:21:56 <nhnt11> a month is a long time though. Not a lot of people use betas.
23:23:23 <flo-retina> are you volunteering to take care of it?
23:24:03 <nhnt11> but yes, I used the LIST example because it was handy, but I just meant that if we deemed a fix important enough, would we be able to make a point release? (seems like the answer is yes)
23:24:19 <nhnt11> flo-retina: If you walk me through the procedure the first time, yes.
23:24:19 <flo-retina> currently no.
23:24:24 <flo-retina> In the past we did it twice.
23:24:34 <flo-retina> nhnt11: there's no procedure
23:24:54 <flo-retina> that's why we need to figure it out
23:24:57 <nhnt11> I am speaking in the context of a future time when we have release infrastructure
23:25:04 <nhnt11> ugh
23:25:11 <nhnt11> we're talking past each other
23:26:50 <nhnt11> never mind
23:30:24 <flo-retina> the one case I remember where we did a super quick .1 release was when MSN crashed on connect, ie. at startup for people with auto-login
23:30:38 <flo-retina> it's because of that unfortunate event that we implemented startup crash detection
23:31:18 <nhnt11> right so I am basically wondering about how we can do something like that now that we're in c-c
23:31:40 <flo-retina> I also vaguely remember a 0.1.3.1, which was probably because it had been too long since 0.1.3 and we were not ready for 0.2 yet
23:32:09 <flo-retina> nhnt11: oh, are you asking if we could get permission to commit to the right repository?
23:32:34 <flo-retina> I would be extremely surprised if we couldn't get permission to push to the im/ folder of comm-whatever
23:32:57 <nhnt11> flo-retina: yeah basically, if we ever need to do that, will we be able to uplift im/ patches into comm-release and possibly trigger a build
23:33:14 <nhnt11> I assume "yes"
23:33:22 <flo-retina> trigger a build is a harder question
23:33:30 <flo-retina> shipping it is even harder
23:33:50 <flo-retina> shipping also means we need to have the update server taking it into account
23:34:50 <nhnt11> even after we get the release stuff sorted and ship 1.6?
23:35:33 <flo-retina> yes
23:35:33 <clokep> nhnt11: The current update server is meh.
23:35:43 <flo-retina> nhnt11: that part will never be fully automated
23:35:50 <clokep> We should ask ActiveState again if they'd be willing to open source there's...
23:35:54 * clokep pokes Mook_as.
23:35:58 <nhnt11> hmm
23:36:07 <clokep> aleth: Actually...IB 1.5 IRC on moznet is probably pretty broken, right?
23:36:10 <clokep> You fixed a few things...
23:36:11 <flo-retina> there will always need to be someone deciding if the set of release candidates we have built is good enough to ship or if we should build again
23:36:52 <nhnt11> but the hard part would be making that decision?
23:37:13 <flo-retina> nhnt11: the hardest part around release has always been to coordinate everybody
23:37:37 <nhnt11> hmm
23:37:44 <nhnt11> come to think about it, I've never been around for a release
23:37:59 <flo-retina> ensuring locales are in the correct state, ensuring that at least one person verified each of the builds from the different OSes, that we have release notes, that the website is up to date, that there's a blog post ready
23:38:04 <nhnt11> I think I had disappeared to get some academic stuff done when 1.5 was released
23:38:43 <clokep> Ensuring that updates work.
23:39:11 <clokep> nhnt11: Have you seen https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:release_process?
23:39:15 <flo-retina> I'm hoping that by doing releases on a regular schedule, we should get rid of the coordination overhead, because everybody responsible for something could get it done whenever during the expected and predictable timeframe.
23:39:21 <clokep> It's outdated, but should give some idea of the amount of work.
23:39:37 * nhnt11 feels like a total n00b again :D
23:51:10 <clokep> nhnt11: Part of being human. :-D
23:52:13 * clokep is trying to reproduce the Windows failure.
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23:57:12 <Mook_as> clokep: I can poke people... or you can ask in #komodo :p
23:57:36 <clokep> Mook_as: I'll ask again in #komodo when we need it. :-D
23:57:40 <clokep> But just figured I'd let you know.
23:58:59 * clokep suspects he's going to ask nhnt11 to review things soon. ;)