#instantbird log on 04 07 2015

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03:47:46 <instant-buildbot> build #2616 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed shell_5]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2616
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11:58:45 <clokep_work> aleth: Have you seen nickserv showing up again recently? :-S
11:59:47 <flo-retina> Hello!
12:11:16 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Hello! How're you?
12:14:46 <flo-retina> tired, and I probably caught another cold (just starting now, maybe I can 'fix' it before it's too late if I go to bed early tonight)
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12:42:45 <clokep_work> That's upsetting. :(
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12:46:28 <gvfjvhgoy> .
12:46:29 <gvfjvhgoy> did usa intelligence supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
12:46:29 <gvfjvhgoy> did usa excute the creative mess in the middle east like they said they will, does the creative mess include explosions with uncertain responsibles to create wars?
12:46:29 <gvfjvhgoy> I was prevented on facebook & twitter. So plz, send my qs to help limiting usa & israel aggression against others may then lessen number of people killed in the middle east.
12:46:29 <gvfjvhgoy> .did usa intelligence supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
12:46:29 <gvfjvhgoy> did usa excute the creative mess in the middle east like they said they will, does the creative mess include explosions with uncertain responsibles to create wars?
12:46:29 <gvfjvhgoy> I was prevented on facebook & twitter. So plz, send my qs to help limiting usa & israel aggression against others may then lessen number of people killed in the middle east.
12:46:29 <gvfjvhgoy> plz, send my qs to help limiting usa&israel aggression against others.
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12:54:09 <clokep_work> :( He left before I could kick him.
12:54:16 <clokep_work> I get to kick people so rarely!
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13:45:49 <aleth> clokep_work: I've not seen any nickserv, no
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15:03:42 <flo-retina> bug 1138063 needs some review
15:03:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1138063 nor, --, ---, bokeefe, ASSI, Replace manual install rules (e.g. tests, FINAL_TARGET files) with moz.build equivalents
15:03:49 <flo-retina> I can't just r+ by glancing at it
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15:35:33 <flo-retina> clokep_work: how WIPy is gcrypt-shim.cpp?
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18:37:49 <clokep_work> flo-retina: WIPy.
18:38:27 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Do you want me to handle the moz.build review?
18:38:48 <clokep_work> flo-retina: WIPy as in "I did very little but am not even sure the approach makes sense" :-D
18:38:52 <clokep_work> It was more of just collecting some info.
18:42:29 <flo-retina> fair enough
18:42:34 <flo-retina> not sure about the moz.build stuff
18:42:44 <flo-retina> there are various things packed into the same patch.
18:44:00 <flo-retina> - what the bug claims to be doing (moving FINAL_TARGET files to moz.build)
18:44:00 <flo-retina> - removing a bunch of variables from the top of makefiles (@srcdir@, etc...). I'm not sure why that's possible, and if it should be done on _all_ makefiles or only some.
18:44:00 <flo-retina> - removing the $(AB_CD) variable in the im/app/ folder.
18:44:00 <flo-retina> - stuff related to im/themes/
18:44:22 <flo-retina> I'd like to (have someone, possibly me) investigate a bit on each of these points before r+'ing
18:44:36 <flo-retina> or talk to the patch author on IRC to understand what's going on :)
18:53:06 <clokep_work> Sounds fun.
18:53:11 <clokep_work> I cced myself.
18:53:14 <clokep_work> Remind me if you'd like me to look.
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20:32:58 <abdelrhman> Back ;)
20:34:25 <abdelrhman> aleth: in this bug 1146121 , what should the message like?
20:34:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1146121 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Handle remote-server-not-found room join errors
20:34:55 <abdelrhman> just use also this "Server-to-server connection failed: DNS resolution failed" ?
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20:37:51 <aleth> No, that wouldn't help users much.
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20:38:10 <aleth> Or is this for the debug log only? Then it's OK
20:39:00 <aleth> Though I think "remote server not found" would be better, as DNS resolution failure is only one of the ways  this could occur
20:39:35 <abdelrhman> I think this will be seen by users 
20:39:51 <abdelrhman> after trying to join a room
20:39:58 <aleth> Where is the code for that?
20:40:34 <abdelrhman> https://dxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/protocols/xmpp/xmpp.jsm?from=xmpp.jsm#121
20:40:54 <aleth> ah, I see. Yes, that's user visible.
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20:43:48 <aleth> How about "Could not join the room %S as the server the room is hosted on could not be found."?
20:43:54 <aleth> ^^ clokep_work any ideas?
20:44:53 <clokep_work> aleth: Is this IRC? I'm confused
20:45:00 <abdelrhman> I think "reached" better than "found"
20:45:01 <aleth> XMPP
20:45:10 <aleth> abdelrhman: OK
20:45:28 <clokep_work> give me 5
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21:03:02 <abdelrhman> in https://dxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/locales/en-US/xmpp.properties?from=xmpp.properties
21:03:35 <abdelrhman> is there a problem if text is more than 80 columns ?
21:03:46 <aleth> abdelrhman: No, not in that file.
21:03:55 <abdelrhman> OK
21:06:58 <abdelrhman> Do I need to wait for clokep_work as patch is ready now
21:07:24 <clokep_work> abdelrhman: I think your string was OK, I like "reached" better than "found"
21:07:36 <aleth> abdelrhman: :-)
21:08:00 <abdelrhman> ah :-)
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21:56:40 <abdelrhman> in 1146122, Is there a spec for that, if yes, what is its number (e.g. xep-0045) ?
21:56:46 <abdelrhman> bug 1146122
21:56:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1146122 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Handle response stanza to _sendPresence
21:58:05 <aleth> abdelrhman: Probably it's in the basic XMPP spec, RFC 6120 and 6121
21:58:22 <abdelrhman> OK, thanks
21:58:35 <aleth> It's possible just a callback is needed, but you're right it's a good idea to check the spec
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22:13:17 <clokep_work> flo-retina: So it's really bad but I don't want to look at that bug you pointed at earler...simply because it uses review board. :(
22:15:47 <aleth> abdelrhman: rfc6121 4.2.2 looks like a good starting point
22:17:05 <aleth> and maybe 4.4.2 if it happens there too
22:23:48 <abdelrhman> Great, thanks aleth :)
22:24:16 <clokep_work> abdelrhman: No, thank you!
22:30:02 <abdelrhman> :-) OK
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23:22:41 <abdelrhman> aleth: I think sections ( 4.7.2.1 and 4.7.2.2) are really describing what we need, right? 
23:25:15 <aleth> We should be sending those already
23:26:25 <abdelrhman> and the received messages are the same
23:26:48 <abdelrhman> I think it's like an echo
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23:28:04 <aleth> Yes, the sections I pointed at say "The user's server MUST also broadcast initial presence from the user's newly available resource to all of the user's available resources, including the resource that generated the presence notification in the first place (i.e., an entity is implicitly subscribed to its own presence)."
23:28:10 <abdelrhman> These 3 messages from debug when I tried to reproduce that http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1242608
23:29:42 <aleth> Basically whenever we send our presence, the spec says we receive it echoed back.
23:30:33 <aleth> So it looks like we can ignore the echo (i.e. just mark them as handled)
23:31:37 <abdelrhman> but, If we received this as an update for someone in contact list, I think it needs to be handled
23:32:10 <abdelrhman> or we already handle that?
23:34:59 <clokep> aleth: Well we sohuld only ignore it if it's for *OUR* resource.
23:35:13 <clokep> ((Coming in halfway through, just making sure. :)
23:35:24 <aleth> clokep: Sure!
23:35:56 <clokep> Otherwise we should...be doing something with it, what...I don't know. :-D
23:36:01 <aleth> abdelrhman: of course, the bug is about responses to sendPresence, we don't send presence for other people or resources ;)
23:36:21 <aleth> We handle incoming presence for contacts already, sure.
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23:37:41 <aleth> clokep: Probably we'd ignore the presence for other resources too, we don't have UI for it.
23:38:07 <clokep> Yeah, probably...maybe worth a comment.
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23:46:07 <abdelrhman> so for this bug we just need a callback ignores that echo, right?
23:47:00 <clokep> Yes
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