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02:11:46 <clokep_work> Mook_as: What's an xpt file used for?
02:12:08 <Mook_as> XPCOM typelib (tells XPCOM at run time what interfaces look like)
02:12:54 <clokep_work> Hmm...
02:12:59 <clokep_work> So are those included in a build somewhere?
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02:13:52 <Mook_as> Yeah, in omni.ja... I think?
02:14:16 <Mook_as> Look in components/interfaces.xpt
02:14:39 <Mook_as> (It's a file after xpt link, where one-file-per-.idl got mashed together into one file)
02:15:37 <Mook_as> Going home now; will try to be back online in ~hour or so.
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02:16:13 <clokep_work> Ah I see.
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02:35:37 <clokep_work> \o/
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04:58:43 <instant-buildbot> build #1646 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1646
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10:43:40 <flo-retina> I think I've updated https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Creating_a_new_localization_%28Mercurial%29 to match the current reality
10:44:10 <flo-retina> I haven't tried to use these steps exactly, so it's possible things don't work when running exactly this set of commands
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10:47:05 <flo-retina> I think the next step to get anything to work in our l10n infra is to get the en-US repo fixed
10:47:27 <flo-retina> http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/en-US/ hasn't been updated in 13 months
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13:36:34 <instantbot> patrick+mozilla-bugzilla@cloke.us changed the Resolution on bug 1139287 from --- to FIXED.
13:36:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1139287 nor, --, ---, patrick+mozilla-bugzilla, RESO FIXED, Add a username split to XMPP to split the username and domain of the JID
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13:41:47 <clokep_work> aleth: Any thouhghts on the /notice stuff?
13:41:59 <clokep_work> It'll probably immediately break when we start looking at making OTR stuff work. :-\
13:55:22 <aleth> clokep_work: I don't have a strong opinion about it.
13:57:08 <aleth> Looking at for example http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html it's not going to behave as expected for some people whatever we do
13:58:14 <clokep_work> aleth: Why? :-S
13:58:21 <clokep_work> My patch does exactly that.
13:58:37 <aleth> "send a short message to another person without opening up a private window"?
13:59:29 <aleth> I haven't looked at your patch yet ;)
14:00:10 <clokep_work> aleth: It opens the window, but we do that purposefully.
14:00:16 <aleth> Right, that's all I meant.
14:00:24 <aleth> And with that, it's just /msg.
14:01:03 <aleth> Anyway, let's not worry about it too much.
14:03:13 <clokep_work> aleth: *No* it is not just /msg.
14:03:18 <clokep_work> It sends a NOTICE instead of a PRIVMSG.
14:03:54 <clokep_work> It is a *different* protocol level verb.
14:04:00 <aleth> I understand that.
14:04:53 <aleth> The distinction "will it receive automated replies" is not particularly significant though ;)
14:05:37 <clokep_work> Then we should just get rid of the command.
14:05:45 <clokep_work> We 100% should *NOT* make /notice send a PRIVMSG.
14:05:48 <clokep_work> That's just lying to a user.
14:06:33 <aleth> OK.
14:07:05 <aleth> Let's just go with your patch though.
14:07:21 <aleth> I guess I was just ranting a bit about IRC...
14:07:39 <clokep_work> That's fine. ;)
14:07:45 <clokep_work> I just want to make sure we're on the same page.
14:07:52 <clokep_work> About why I don't want to just alias to /msg.
14:08:00 <clokep_work> Personally, I doubt that /notice is much use.
14:08:17 <clokep_work> Clearly we've never used it in years if it's broken. :-D
14:08:29 <aleth> and nor has anyone else ;)
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14:52:00 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Sorry about that. :-[
14:52:05 <clokep_work> All those bugs are confusing the hell out of me.
14:53:05 <flo-retina> that's why I didn't reply yesterday evening and took time to think about them a bit this morning instead ;)
14:54:04 <clokep_work> I mean /me, /msg are pretty similar. ;)
14:54:39 <flo-retina>  /m ;)
14:55:38 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Btw I have a Additional Protocols for TB extension. \o/
14:56:24 <flo-retina> cool :)
14:57:08 <clokep_work> It worked on Mac.
14:57:12 <clokep_work> Haven't tried on Windows yet.
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15:50:06 <flo-retina> My error console is full of error messages
15:50:33 <flo-retina> Error: NS_NOINTERFACE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004002 (NS_NOINTERFACE) [nsIInterfaceRequestor.getInterface] Source File: resource://gre/modules/Finder.jsm Line: 504
15:51:05 <flo-retina> and I have this one many times: Error: TypeError: this._updateAutoScrollEnabled is not a function Source File: chrome://chat/content/convbrowser.xml Line: 318
15:51:45 <flo-retina> I think the only slightly unusual thing I did today is I flipped the "Enable tabbed conversations" checkbox for an hour or so to demo to someone that tabs weren't mandatory in Instantbird
15:55:01 <clokep_work> :-\
15:55:52 <flo-retina> so, the en-US repo is broken because we updated it from a commit hook, not from a cron
16:01:40 <flo-retina> anybody knows what https://hg.instantbird.org/comm-central/ is?
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16:05:47 <flo-retina> http://hg.instantbird.org/comm-central-new/ is even more mysterious
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16:10:26 <clokep_work> flo-retina: It's our test merge into comm-central to ensure it'd work as we expected.
16:10:37 <clokep_work> I don't know what the -new one is. ;)
16:10:38 <flo-retina> so I can rm -rf / repurpose it?
16:10:53 <clokep_work> Unless you think we need it for reference.
16:10:56 <clokep_work> (I don't think we do.)
16:10:59 <flo-retina> I need a local comm-central clone so that I can then hg convert it to extract the en-US locale
16:11:30 * clokep_work wonders if there's an easier way to do this using mozilla stuff. :-\
16:11:47 <flo-retina> probably not
16:12:03 <flo-retina> what would be nice though is to find a way to be informed when there's a commit on c-c, instead of having to pool
16:12:07 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Is https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Creating_a_new_localization_%28Mercurial%29#Configuration supposed to say |cd instantbird|
16:12:15 <clokep_work> Or should it be |cd comm-central|?
16:12:20 <clokep_work> (Or |cd im|)
16:12:25 <flo-retina> should likely be comm-central
16:12:33 <clokep_work> Hmm...yeah, I wonder...
16:12:52 <flo-retina> yeah, should be comm-central
16:13:12 <clokep_work> The rest looked OK though. :)
16:13:45 <clokep_work> flo-retina: DO we care that l10n central has chat/ in it already?
16:13:55 <flo-retina> well...
16:14:13 <flo-retina> it would be nice to just have im/ in there too
16:30:25 <clokep_work> Is that a possible thing to do?
16:37:53 <flo-retina> hg convert on c-c takes a while :(
16:38:10 <flo-retina> you mean having im/ in l10n central?
16:38:19 <clokep_work> Yes.
16:38:22 <flo-retina> I think we could try to talk the l10n team into it
16:38:52 <flo-retina> I'm more concerned about purple though
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16:40:33 <clokep_work> Yeah, that's true.
16:46:00 <clokep_work> I guess I just don't like the idea of people duplicating effort on chat/
16:46:09 <clokep_work>  / strings being different between them.
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16:49:59 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I also don't like it
16:50:12 <flo-retina> clokep_work: but I don't have a plan yet to address it
16:50:15 <clokep_work> OK!
16:50:18 <clokep_work> Just figured I'd ask. :)
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16:52:08 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I'm trying to figure out if pulse (or something else) will be useful to us for oncommit builds / stuff.
16:52:21 * clokep_work has journeyed from Callek in #maildev to #vcs and now #ateam...
16:53:41 <flo-retina> oh, you are trying to fix the oncommit problem? :)
16:54:26 <clokep_work> Yeah.
16:54:33 <flo-retina> "abort: repository is unrelated
16:54:33 <flo-retina> abort: nothing to merge"
16:54:33 <flo-retina> :(
16:56:05 <clokep_work> Well unrelated isn't surprising?
16:56:20 <flo-retina> Yeah, well... I'm trying to find a solution ;)
16:56:55 <flo-retina> I guess I could throw away the existing en-us repo completely and recreate it based on c-c, but that doesn't feel nice
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16:59:08 <flo-retina> seems I just need a -f
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16:59:30 <clokep_work> -f fixes all!
17:02:58 <flo-retina> there are 4 files that don't merge cleanly, for some reason :-S
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17:03:34 <clokep_work> Fun. :-D
17:04:46 <flo-retina> what's http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/im/locales/en-US/chrome/instantbird/prpl.properties ?
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17:06:28 <flo-retina> it looks like that file was removed in 2008 in the ib repo: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/e3a44077b87f
17:07:51 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Before my time!
17:07:52 <flo-retina> do I need to file a bug to get rid of that obsolete file that should never had been in c-c?
17:08:02 <clokep_work> Perhaps. :-\
17:08:15 <flo-retina> alright, let's be clean
17:11:23 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Localization bug 1139968 filed by florian@queze.net.
17:11:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1139968 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove dead prpl.properties file
17:12:46 <flo-retina> clokep_work: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8573322&action=edit
17:13:02 <clokep_work> flo-retina: That patch looks wrong...
17:13:11 <clokep_work> ;)
17:13:49 <flo-retina> I typed |hg export| instead of |hg dif| :(
17:14:27 <clokep_work> :)
17:14:36 <clokep_work> r+! :P
17:14:54 <flo-retina> for some reason these patches have about the same size, so I didn't notice
17:17:34 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I think we need to fix bug 1022701
17:17:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1022701 nor, P2, ---, nobody, NEW, Fix and re-enable hg publisher
17:17:40 <clokep_work> To do on-commit.
17:18:35 <flo-retina> thanks
17:21:13 <clokep_work> I can possibly look at it...
17:21:29 <flo-retina> I don't think pooling is that bad
17:21:40 <flo-retina> the part that I'll definitely look into is how we can PowerOnLan mac minis
17:21:47 <flo-retina> I don't want to have all 10 minutes running all the time
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17:25:44 <clokep_work> polling / minis. ;)
17:27:59 <flo-retina> shouldn't they swim?
17:28:09 <flo-retina> 0:-)
17:29:00 <flo-retina> so... my second merge attempt is significantly more broken than the previous one
17:29:04 <flo-retina> I think I should start over again :)
17:29:13 <flo-retina> good thing I backed up the previous en-US repo :)
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17:42:14 <flo-retina> is this all the l10n changes we have made in a year? http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/en-US/rev/b432f2afaede :-S
17:45:52 <clokep_work> Possibly?
17:46:02 <clokep_work> You can diff to im/locales/* and chat/locales/*?
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17:47:30 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Electronics sink, they don't swim.
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18:01:53 <flo-retina> I think I've now finished fixing http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/locales-status.html
18:01:55 <flo-retina> it seems to work
18:02:19 <clokep_work> :) flo++
18:02:39 <clokep_work> Hmm... so |mach xpcshell-test| seems to work, but runs all tests.
18:03:05 <clokep_work> |mach xpcshell-tests chat| worked though. :)
18:03:15 <flo-retina> next step to fix l10n will be to fix http://buildbot-l10n.instantbird.org/waterfall
18:03:25 <flo-retina> but I'll need to be add home to do that
18:04:13 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Did you see my comment about what target milestone do we use for things that are TB 39? :-S
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18:04:25 <flo-retina> I did.
18:04:29 <flo-retina> I don't have the answer though
18:04:40 <instantbot> patrick+mozilla-bugzilla@cloke.us changed the Resolution on bug 1139233 from --- to FIXED.
18:04:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1139233 nor, --, ---, patrick+mozilla-bugzilla, RESO FIXED, Fix IRC /notice command
18:07:45 <aleth> I think we should likely move to using gecko version numbers too once releasing is figured out
18:09:24 <flo-retina> aleth: I agree
18:09:35 <flo-retina> the part I'm unclear about is... is our next release 1.6 or 38?
18:09:54 <clokep_work> (And what about things that landed after 38. ;))
18:10:58 <aleth> That's what probably determines the answer to flo's question ;)
18:11:20 <aleth> i.e. is there stuff wanted for 1.6 that can't go into c-a or c-b
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18:35:02 <clokep_work> Hmm... http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/en-US/ is a 500 internal server error
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22:50:39 <flo-retina> aleth: do you what to have a look at bug 1139203 or do you think clokep should? It looks good to me, but I haven't been very close to the IRC code lately.
22:50:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1139203 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, /msg and /query should fire a sending-message notification before actually sending the message
22:50:42 <flo-retina> *want
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23:03:01 <arlolra> aleth: good point
23:06:38 <hadi> arlolra:  hey, I know many people ask you this stuff all the time, any news about tor messanger?
23:07:45 <arlolra> hadi: it's coming along. there's an alpha if you want to try it out (on linux) https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2015-March/008363.html
23:08:29 <hadi> arlolra:  that's awesome, I'll try it on my arch box
23:09:33 <arlolra> :)
23:11:44 <hadi> arlolra:  i assume that  the messanger directly connects to tor, without the use of obfsproxy and such things? it'd be cool to have those on the feature list.
23:12:25 <arlolra> it uses tor launcher, the same thing that tor browser has. so you can configure bridges if you need them
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