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Just some of the weird XUL while keeping all the ratios correct? 01:24:12 <aleth> yes, doesn't affect the backend at all 01:24:24 <aleth> actually I have it mostly done now. 01:24:38 <aleth> Fixing DOM inspector up should do the rest 01:25:09 * clokep_work laughs at the "Relevent specs" part of xmpp-jingle.jsm. 01:25:38 <aleth> It kept growing ;) 01:25:49 <clokep_work> ALmost looking like my list of IRC specs. :) 01:26:03 <aleth> yup... not quite as complete yet I fear 01:29:01 * clokep_work wants stuff to land so he can write an IRC spec. :P 01:29:11 <clokep_work> I guess I could probably do it with the WIPs...but.. 01:29:22 <aleth> yes, that'll be more fun 01:30:28 <clokep_work> Then it'll be neat, we can just /call each other on IRC. ;) 01:31:03 <aleth> :-) 01:31:18 <EionRobb> don't you have to call it /hello or something? ;) 01:31:35 <aleth> I think not. 01:31:41 <clokep_work> Only if it was related to Firefox Hello. 01:31:43 <clokep_work> It's not. :P 01:31:59 <clokep_work> But I"ll make you an extension that aliases it. ;) 01:32:05 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: :tiuQ) 01:32:08 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 01:32:08 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 01:34:27 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: :tiuQ) 01:34:30 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 01:34:30 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 01:46:55 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Connection closed) 01:52:07 <-- clokep_work has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 01:59:04 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 02:01:12 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 02:04:02 <-- Mook_a1 has quit (Client exited) 02:11:51 <-- EionRobb has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 02:13:30 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 02:17:32 <-- EionRobb has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 02:32:43 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 02:37:08 <-- AlexanderSalas has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 02:50:35 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 03:02:13 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 03:15:45 <instant-buildbot> build #206 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/206 03:23:51 <instant-buildbot> build #1624 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1624 03:26:31 <instant-buildbot> build #2522 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2522 03:29:42 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 03:29:54 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 03:34:47 <-- flo-retina has quit (Connection closed) 03:35:39 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 03:35:39 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 03:57:40 --> myk has joined #instantbird 04:04:23 <-- flo-retina has quit (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) 04:13:59 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 04:48:30 --> sherief has joined #instantbird 04:48:33 <-- sherief has quit (Connection closed) 05:07:16 <-- mconley has quit (Connection closed) 05:07:45 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 05:11:51 <-- mconley has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 05:41:14 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: Leaving) 05:50:18 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 06:08:13 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 06:11:00 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 06:11:25 --> myk has joined #instantbird 06:19:29 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 06:30:52 --> myk has joined #instantbird 06:36:12 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: Leaving) 06:47:00 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 07:04:18 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 07:10:33 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 07:10:35 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Connection closed) 07:12:26 --> mudpit1 has joined #instantbird 07:15:18 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 07:15:30 <-- mudpit has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 07:16:28 <-- mudpit1 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 07:20:27 --> Widders has joined #instantbird 07:23:35 <-- Widdershins has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 07:32:53 --> mudpit has joined #instantbird 07:36:55 <-- mudpit has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 07:46:16 --> Bollebib has joined #instantbird 07:57:25 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 08:18:10 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 08:18:10 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 08:20:40 <flo-retina> if we implement /hello we should also have /bye 08:21:18 <flo-retina> EionRobb: fork bombing pidgin, that reminds me something... Do you now see why we don't want libpurple prpls that fork or create threads? ;) 08:33:50 <-- Rym_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 08:35:42 <-- Bollebib has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 08:36:15 <EionRobb> lol 08:36:32 <EionRobb> flo-retina: wasn't quite a fork bomb, it would just try to send 8 http requests for every 1 that came back 08:37:06 <flo-retina> the DNS code in libpurple actually was a fork bomb one day before the release of Instantbird 0.1 08:42:28 <EionRobb> ouch :) 08:44:25 <flo-retina> I didn't notice immediately 08:44:47 <flo-retina> I had finished preparing the release candidate, kept it running on my macbook and went to bed 08:45:13 <flo-retina> the next morning when I got up (to publish the release), that macbook was no longer allowing me to create any process. 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Although I'm vaguely surprised that we don't have a "start following foo" for @mentions. 11:46:46 <clokep> Only vaguely. :-D 11:47:45 <-- Rym_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 11:48:14 <flo-retina> clokep: hmm, we have a "stop following" for the author of the tweet 11:48:28 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 11:49:29 <instantbot> New Chat Core - Twitter bug 1129391 filed by florian@queze.net. 11:49:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1129391 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Twitter context menu looking broken when right clicking on the author of a tweet 11:54:39 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 11:54:39 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 12:03:07 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 12:03:22 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Connection closed) 12:04:23 --> Nazadel has joined #instantbird 12:07:26 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 12:15:44 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 12:22:58 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 12:22:58 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt11 12:27:27 --> aleth1 has joined #instantbird 12:27:27 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth1 12:28:31 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 12:28:31 * aleth1 is now known as aleth 12:29:02 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 12:30:04 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 12:30:04 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt11 12:30:58 <-- BWMerlin has quit (Client exited) 12:31:46 --> nhnt12 has joined #instantbird 12:31:46 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt12 12:33:48 <-- nhnt12 has quit (Connection closed) 12:34:17 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 12:34:32 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 12:34:32 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt11 12:37:26 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 12:41:54 <-- Rym_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 12:47:45 <-- Defman has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 12:49:44 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 12:52:34 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 13:00:22 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 13:00:22 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 13:10:40 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 13:10:40 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 13:14:06 <clokep_work> aleth: Have you been following the c-c tree? 13:14:10 * clokep_work is wondering if he can push or not. 13:14:13 <clokep_work> I know it's open, but... 13:14:42 <aleth> I haven't been following, but the last push looks OK, so I don't see why not? 13:15:14 <clokep_work> Do we have anything to push besides my bug? :P 13:15:48 <aleth> Not that I know of 13:16:08 <aleth> Hmm, it looks like IB is busted though 13:17:33 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 13:24:20 <clokep_work> Yeah I'm testing a fix now. 13:24:30 <aleth> :-) 13:27:20 <aleth> clokep_work: re bug 1129136, didn't you fix something like that a while ago? 13:27:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1129136 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Component returned failure code: 0x8000ffff (NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED) [nsIPrefBranch.getCharPref] 13:31:35 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 13:34:53 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Connection closed) 13:34:55 <clokep_work> aleth: I thought *you* fixed something like that a while ago. 13:35:43 <aleth> haha, so someone or noone did? :D 13:36:03 <-- Rym_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 13:36:22 <flo-retina> hmm, why is the linux32bit slave offline? :( 13:37:20 <flo-retina> wait, it's the 15th day it's been offline, and nobody complained? :-o 13:37:51 <clokep_work> Bustage fix: http://hg.mozilla.org/users/florian_queze.net/purple/rev/00eadc03a66a 13:38:28 <flo-retina> clokep_work: thanks! 13:39:07 <clokep_work> Simple port, didn't figure it was worth bothering you guys for a review. :) 13:39:10 <clokep_work> I tested on Mac only though. 13:39:22 <flo-retina> rs=bustage-fix is fine for that :) 13:40:49 <clokep_work> Looks like I missed the s...well same thing. :) 13:44:00 <flo-retina> doesn't matter :) 13:44:13 <flo-retina> having the build fixed is what we care about :) 13:48:42 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1128736 from --- to FIXED. 13:48:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1128736 enh, --, 1.6, clokep, RESO FIXED, Add a way to pref off prpls. 13:53:19 <-- Tonnes has quit (Connection closed) 13:53:47 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Is bug 1129136 that issue where if you created an account on the wrong version of TB (I.e. before IM was really enabled) it won't work after upgrading? 13:53:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1129136 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Component returned failure code: 0x8000ffff (NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED) [nsIPrefBranch.getCharPref] 13:54:46 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 13:54:54 <flo-retina> clokep_work: that's possible. 13:55:55 <clokep_work> That's my current guess. 13:56:14 <flo-retina> your questions in the bug are good anyway 13:56:34 <clokep_work> Trying to figure out if my guess is right. :-D 14:06:21 --> mudpit has joined #instantbird 14:19:45 <-- Nazadel has quit (Quit: Bye) 14:19:52 --> Nazadel has joined #instantbird 14:25:43 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 14:26:18 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: :tiuQ) 14:30:13 <-- Rym_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 14:47:13 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 14:47:13 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 14:52:00 <flo-retina> we were talking about getting stuff finished and landed... what about bug 1025522? :-P 14:52:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1025522 nor, --, ---, nhnt11, ASSI, Split log files to prevent them from growing too large 14:56:57 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 14:57:40 --> AlexanderSalas has joined #instantbird 14:58:53 --> Defman has joined #instantbird 15:03:35 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 15:03:35 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 15:07:39 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 15:10:38 <clokep_work> I keep hoping nhnt11 will look at it... 15:12:28 <aleth> I've been trying to remind him too because I was worried we could end up with another big stack of 95% done patches like the import wizard 15:18:57 <flo-retina> yeah 15:19:05 <flo-retina> they aren't in my review queue, but that's not necessarily better; ) 15:19:25 <aleth> They have been reviewed. 15:19:40 <flo-retina> there's that gloda thing that's a pain apparently? 15:19:52 <flo-retina> (can we claim Gloda is from jquery and we can drop both at once? ;)) 15:19:53 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 15:24:18 <clokep_work> I'd like to know what we can do to help move that along... 15:24:24 <-- Rym_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 15:24:54 <aleth> I've already helped him move it along. He just has to code it. 15:28:49 <-- Widders has quit (Quit: Leaving) 15:28:59 --> Widdershins has joined #instantbird 15:30:41 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 15:40:41 <clokep_work> aleth: Btw I don't necessarily hate the non-localized error messages, but it could be confusing. 15:52:08 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 15:53:27 <flo-retina> localized if it goes in the conv window / account manager, non localized if it goes to the error console is what we have usually done 15:57:06 <flo-retina> are offline messages from Ib to Ib not working on Gtalk anymore? 15:57:18 <flo-retina> hard to test when I can't even _connect_ to gtalk :( 16:00:21 <-- mudpit has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 16:03:25 --> myk has joined #instantbird 16:06:57 <-- myk has quit (Connection closed) 16:07:28 --> sawrubh has joined #instantbird 16:07:53 --> myk has joined #instantbird 16:10:11 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 16:10:11 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 16:11:21 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:14:02 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 16:18:34 <-- Rym_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 16:27:39 --> hadi has joined #instantbird 16:29:20 <clokep_work> flo-retina: That hasn't worked for a few years. 16:29:39 <clokep_work> bug 989039 16:29:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=989039 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Google Talk no longer receives offline messages 16:29:43 <clokep_work> Well...at least a year. 16:38:19 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 16:39:54 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 16:40:19 --> myk has joined #instantbird 16:48:45 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 16:51:58 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 17:04:24 <-- Tonnes has quit (Connection closed) 17:06:29 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 17:08:13 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 17:08:43 --> arlolra has joined #instantbird 17:08:59 --> myk has joined #instantbird 17:12:43 <-- Rym_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 17:21:33 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:31:11 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 17:32:56 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 17:44:06 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 17:45:57 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 17:48:33 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 17:56:42 <-- mconley has quit (Quit: NO CARRIER) 18:03:26 <-- Widdershins has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 18:08:13 <-- AlexanderSalas has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 18:09:46 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 18:11:37 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 18:20:40 --> pwnsrv has joined #instantbird 18:22:00 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 18:30:11 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 18:36:53 <bernard> Hi all. 18:37:04 <bernard> Is Arlo around? 18:37:42 <arlolra> bernard: yup 18:38:40 <bernard> arlolra: Ah hi. I'm the guy Karen mailed you about. A few months back unfortunatelyâ¦. 18:38:59 <bernard> It's been busy. I was interested in contributing some user research and design work. 18:40:31 <arlolra> ah, right 18:40:46 <arlolra> glad to have you on board 18:41:00 <arlolra> have you had a chance to look at what we've done so far? 18:41:10 <bernard> Sorry it took me so long. It was a bust period in work. 18:41:13 <clokep_work> Design work! 18:41:16 <clokep_work> That sounds excellent. ;) 18:41:18 <bernard> Not the most recent. 18:41:26 <clokep_work> (And hello. :)) 18:41:29 <bernard> clokep_work: Glad to hear. 18:41:34 <bernard> clokep_work: Also hello :) 18:41:47 <clokep_work> I think there was a thread arlolra had going... 18:41:50 --> Guido has joined #instantbird 18:42:17 <bernard> arlolra: At Fosdem last weekend I had a chat with Dr Whaxx who gve me the abridged status of OTR in general, clients, etc. 18:42:30 <clokep_work> arlolra: So your patch...I find the organization of it very confusing, but I can't decide how much of that is just due to ctypes kind of being a PITA to write. 18:42:41 <bernard> I was happy to hear what was going on. 18:42:52 * clokep_work wonders if bernard saw Florian's Firefox talk. 18:42:58 <bernard> NO! 18:42:59 <clokep_work> He seems to have skipped the room ATM... 18:43:18 <arlolra> was it recorded? 18:43:26 <bernard> I was one of the co-ordinators of the open source design devroom on Sunday and missed EVARYTHING! 18:43:52 <bernard> I was trying to find Florian as Lunar mentioned he was also there, and working on Instantbird. 18:44:17 <bernard> So, for me: whats the easiest way to get up to speed what's been done so far? 18:44:38 <arlolra> what OS do you run? 18:44:51 <bernard> I had a look at the repo and I am thinking a virtual Debian machine? Instead of trying to use OS X? 18:45:35 <clokep_work> arlolra: What happened to that email thread about the OTR design stuff? Was that a private thread or on one of our mailing lists? 18:46:09 <bernard> clokep_work: mailing list deets would be good? I can sub and follow. 18:46:17 <arlolra> it should be fine on osx. i can provide some hand holding ... but a quick solution is just to try tor-messenger that has otr bundled https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2014-December/007981.html 18:46:42 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 18:47:30 <arlolra> clokep_work: bernard should have been cc'd on those emails ... there were a few takeaways that turned into tickets on https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr/issues 18:47:43 <bernard> yes I think so. 18:47:56 <bernard> I need to dig out my mailing list archives, 18:48:05 <arlolra> the thread is called "OTR UI" 18:49:37 <clokep_work> Likely searching for clokep will find it. ;) 18:50:04 <clokep_work> arlolra: FYI I cancelled review from aleth, he said he doesn't know ctypes. 18:51:06 <arlolra> clokep_work: that's fine. re: the patch organization, I'm open to suggestions :) 18:51:30 <bernard> arlolra: Please hold. Searching......... 18:51:31 <bernard> :) 18:51:57 <bernard> Bingo got it. 18:52:24 <bernard> OK, so I have stuff to read. 18:53:25 <bernard> So, I've been thinking about a few different ways that a user could verify the fingerprint, SMP, secret answer from their contact. 18:53:42 <bernard> At the moment, they're just ideas but I want to put them down on paper sketches. 18:53:54 <bernard> Whats the best way to share them with you? 18:54:30 <clokep_work> Whatever way is decided, I'd prefer if it is public. 18:54:52 <clokep_work> mozilla.dev.chat newsgroup/mailing list is reasonable, maybe a bug, but that might be premature. 18:55:17 <bernard> clokep_work: Absolutely. I am very happy with that. 18:55:38 <bernard> When talking about it being public. 18:56:20 <bernard> While it's not open source or FLOSS, I sometimes use a service called Pixelapse which is, essentially github for UI designs. 18:56:32 <bernard> https://www.pixelapse.com/ 18:56:39 * clokep_work doesn't care much about the method that's used. ;) 18:56:56 <clokep_work> As long as anyone can view it. 18:57:23 <bernard> heh OK. As we spoke about at the open source design devroom it's sometimes difficult to share ux work⦠18:57:40 <bernard> I thought I'd ask if you guys and gals have a current way of working. 18:58:52 <bernard> Can we make a "design" tag for UI, interaction design issues in the github repo? 18:59:07 <arlolra> sure 18:59:30 <bernard> Great. It'll help :) 19:00:08 <bernard> So the only place where dev work is discussed is on the github tracker? https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr/issues? 19:00:45 <arlolra> we've discussed here on irc, and on various bugzilla bugs as well 19:01:05 <arlolra> and that email thread but that didn't meet the criteria of being open 19:01:28 <bernard> Ah ok. Should I sub to the bugzilla? 19:01:50 <arlolra> i think github is a good place for you to put design ideas, you can attach images 19:02:18 <arlolra> bernard: at least to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954310 which is kind of the meta bug now 19:02:21 <instantbot> Bug 954310 enh, --, ---, arlolra, NEW, Add support for OTR and encrypted chats. 19:03:11 <bernard> arlolra: great. thanks. 19:03:15 <-- aleth has quit (Connection closed) 19:03:19 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 19:03:19 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 19:04:36 <arlolra> bernard: https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr/labels/design 19:04:40 <bernard> "https://github.com/arlolra added the https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr/labels/design label https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr/issues/23#event-230262386" Cool :) 19:04:48 <bernard> yep, just saw that. 19:04:51 <arlolra> k 19:04:58 <bernard> Are any of you guys going to Valencia? 19:05:10 <arlolra> florian is 19:05:19 <arlolra> i'm on the fence about it 19:05:32 <bernard> I am hoping to go. 19:05:39 <bernard> If it makes any difference ;) 19:07:15 <arlolra> ha, maybe :) 19:07:44 <arlolra> not sure if the thread mentions it. but we've since added SMP 19:08:49 <arlolra> bernard: the darwin instructions here should work for you https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr#dev-env 19:08:51 <bernard> Oh! Great! 19:10:26 <arlolra> clokep_work: thanks for the review. I'll follow up shortly 19:28:05 --> bernard1 has joined #instantbird 19:28:41 <-- bernard has quit (Connection closed) 19:33:58 <-- Guido has quit (Connection closed) 19:36:11 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 19:36:11 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt11 19:36:23 --> Guido has joined #instantbird 19:40:26 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 19:45:17 --> aleth1 has joined #instantbird 19:45:17 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth1 19:45:47 <-- Guido has quit (Connection closed) 19:46:29 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 19:46:29 * aleth1 is now known as aleth 19:46:30 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 19:50:55 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 19:58:37 --> Mook_astb has joined #instantbird 19:58:37 * Mook_astb is now known as Mook_a1 20:00:41 <-- Mook_as has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 20:08:03 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 20:11:27 <-- bernard1 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 21:09:16 <clokep_work> arlolra: What's SMP? 21:09:26 <clokep_work> And...yeah feel free if you want to discuss before just putting up more code. 21:09:57 <arlolra> socialist millionaire protocol ... it's an authentication methods that's easier than reading fingerprpints 21:10:11 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 21:10:22 <aleth> arlolra: hi :-) 21:10:23 <clokep_work> Ahhh. right. 21:10:36 <arlolra> hello 21:10:38 <aleth> You've implemented that? That should make for better UX too, right? 21:10:58 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Connection closed) 21:11:16 <arlolra> yes, it's the default now 21:11:28 <arlolra> (sorry, one sec, distracted deploying code) 21:11:57 <aleth> Nice. 21:15:47 <clokep_work> Wow Instantbird made a mess of that link... 21:21:50 <-- clokep_work has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 21:40:33 --> spz has joined #instantbird 21:41:02 <spz> http://pastie.org/9887065 "Smile! 1.2" not working on 1.6a 21:42:25 <aleth> spz: That's true, it can't work in 1.6a because there is no status bar any more. You could contact the add-on author so he can fix it? 21:42:55 <aleth> Or you could always fix it yourself, if you like ;) 21:51:51 <-- spz has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:51:52 <-- sawrubh has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 21:51:55 --> spz has joined #instantbird 21:52:33 <spz> instantbird can't download jabber chat room participants.. 21:53:29 <aleth> What do you mean by "download"? 21:55:14 <-- spz has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:55:18 --> spz has joined #instantbird 21:58:35 <-- spz has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:58:41 --> spz has joined #instantbird 21:59:52 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 22:00:01 <-- spz has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 22:18:54 <-- bernard has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 22:19:27 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:19:27 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 22:19:49 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 22:19:49 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 22:25:52 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 22:25:52 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 22:29:53 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:39:39 <-- Tobin has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:52:39 <-- hadi has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 23:00:22 <-- Bollebib has quit (Connection closed) 23:01:50 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 23:13:26 <-- Rym_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 23:16:11 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 23:19:05 <-- mconley has quit (Connection closed) 23:27:29 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 23:28:45 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 23:42:31 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 23:43:00 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 23:47:49 <-- Defman has quit (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) 23:49:19 <flo-retina> uh, the network cable of one of the two linux minis was completely unplugged 23:51:37 <aleth> Simple answer to where the 32b nightlies went then. 23:51:45 <aleth> The mar file stuff is going to be harder... 23:52:30 <flo-retina> well, someone should have a look ;) 23:52:40 <flo-retina> that would be a reasonable first step 23:53:13 <aleth> I got as far as the error message, but I've been looking at webrtc since then when I had a chance 23:53:58 <flo-retina> :) 23:59:34 --> mconley has joined #instantbird