#instantbird log on 11 17 2014

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00:38:44 <mrphs> hey, how's that instantbird.com doesn't have an ssl cert yet?
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00:40:16 <mrphs> one would imagine the correct way to do things is to redirect it to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/instantbird
00:41:10 <mrphs> should I file a bug for that? (if so, where do i do that?)
00:49:20 <clokep> mrphs: Instantbird isn't part of mozilla.
00:49:52 <clokep> Hmm...I thought we *did* have an SSL cert though.
00:54:37 <mrphs> oh it's not? :(
00:54:58 <mrphs> instantbird.com:443 doesnt connect for me
00:55:54 <clokep> Sure, file a bug.
00:55:58 <clokep> I'm not sure why ":("
01:27:45 <Fearful> clokep: are you a software engineer or anything for instantbird?
01:28:01 <clokep> Fearful: Why?
01:28:08 <Fearful> just wondered. :P
01:28:14 <clokep> I'm a developer for Instantbird, yes. I'm a peer of the module.
01:28:19 <Fearful> I see
01:31:14 <clokep> Any other questions? :P
01:31:42 <Fearful> well, what do you mean it isn't apart of mozilla?
01:31:53 <Fearful> I thought it was basedo n the source code or w/e
01:32:52 <clokep> We're not an official Mozilla project, we're based on the Mozilla source, yes. it uses the toolkit that's part of it.
01:33:02 <Fearful> I see
01:33:04 <clokep> And some of our code is shared with Thunderbird.
01:35:44 <clokep> Does that make sense?
01:35:51 <Fearful> yeah
01:36:07 <Fearful> I noticed the irc and another chat feature in thunderbird
01:36:11 <Fearful> is that the code it uses?
01:36:12 <Fearful> :P
01:36:20 <clokep> The backend code is all shared.
01:36:26 <Fearful> ah
01:36:37 <clokep> The UI is obviously custom to fit separately into Thunderbird vs. being a separate program.
01:36:45 <Fearful> I see
01:36:46 <clokep> And that's kind of a lie too, some UI is shared (like the tooltips.)
01:39:45 <clokep> It's complicated. ;)
01:41:35 <Fearful> yeah :P
01:42:16 <clokep> We're part of the community and such, but we don't get support directly from Mozilla. :)
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04:26:44 <instant-buildbot> build #1578 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1578
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04:52:06 <instant-buildbot> build #1229 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1229
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05:00:08 <instant-buildbot> build #2425 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2425
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06:53:17 <instant-buildbot> build #125 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/125
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11:47:36 <clokep> flo-retina: Did you see that conversation about SSL to instnatbird.com/org.
11:47:42 <flo-retina> no
11:47:47 <flo-retina> summary? :)
11:48:08 <clokep> flo-retina: You can't connect to instantbird.com over HTTPS.
11:48:22 <flo-retina> why is that a problem?
11:48:28 * clokep shrugs.
11:48:39 <clokep> mrphs was expecting to be able to.
11:48:43 <flo-retina> users send no data to that page
11:48:47 <flo-retina> there's no privacy implications
11:49:28 <clokep> Does downloading the binary happen over SSL?
11:49:36 <flo-retina> no
11:49:43 <flo-retina> but checking https://ftp.instantbird.org/instantbird/releases/1.5/md5sum over SSL looks possible
11:49:47 <flo-retina> I think that's what matters
11:49:56 <clokep> Yes.
11:49:56 <flo-retina> arguably we should use something safer than MD5 for future releases
11:50:08 <clokep> Likely.
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12:39:45 <instantbot> New Chat Core - Twitter bug 1100331 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
12:39:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100331 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, ReferenceError: reference to undefined property browser.securityUI.tooltipText in browserRequest.js
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12:56:03 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 1068397 from --- to WORKSFORME.
12:56:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1068397 cri, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Twitter chat account setup fails auth step
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13:03:20 <clokep_work> aleth: FYI I was able to reproduce bug 1068397
13:03:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1068397 cri, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Twitter chat account setup fails auth step
13:04:10 <aleth> clokep_work: Hmm, I wonder what you did differently. OK, then I'll leave it to you ;)
13:09:18 <clokep_work> aleth: No idea.
13:09:23 <clokep_work> I didn't try on a fresh profile though.
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13:41:18 <clokep_work> Anyone have issues with the changes in Bug 1099861?
13:41:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1099861 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, There are some resource path mixing ://gre/modules and ://modules
13:41:38 <clokep_work> (Changing :/// to ://gre/ for Services.jsm and... XPCOMUtils.jsm)
13:50:36 <aleth> Is that actually a bug or just cleanup?
13:53:18 <clokep_work> Clean-up
13:53:46 <clokep_work> We usually put all gre modules up above the /// ones, right?
14:01:35 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Do we have a style preference about that ^? Do we care? :)
14:19:21 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I would probably put all the gre modules together and all the /// modules together. Not sure which one first.
14:19:40 <flo-retina> but this is all in yahoo _tests_, so I wouldn't bother him with that
14:21:03 <clokep_work> It's not ALL.
14:21:06 <clokep_work> There's also blist.js. ;)
14:21:28 <flo-retina> clokep_work: his change to blist.js doesn't mix gre and /// modules
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14:24:27 <clokep_work> aleth: Ah, apparently those /// vs. gre are causing test failures?
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14:51:23 <clokep_work> Do we have anything to discuss at tomorrow's TB meeting besides the GTalk stuff?
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14:55:50 <aleth> Don't think so.
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15:06:56 * clokep_work doesn't understand what Windows is doing when it does htat...
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15:45:59 <mrphs> flo-retina: md5 is not much of an strong way to verify download
15:46:17 <mrphs> flo-retina: and most of the users never ever verify their downloads
15:47:28 <mrphs> flo-retina: what does stop us from havin all the good things? ssl, an asc sig and sha256sum?
15:48:21 <clokep_work> mrphs: Florian already said we should use something stronger than MD5.
15:48:57 <mrphs> also, having SSL prevents my isp to know which pages I was interested in, when i visited your website
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15:49:11 <mrphs> clokep_work: ack. but that's not enough. most users dont check it
15:50:48 <clokep_work> mrphs: Sure, I'm just saying your first argument is something we already agreed we should do, no need to repeat it.
15:50:58 <clokep_work> mrphs: SSL doesn't prevent that, DNS is still in the clear.
15:51:44 <clokep_work> I'm not saying we shouldn't do it btw. :)
15:53:47 <Fearful> opendns has a program that encrypts the traffic
15:54:14 <Fearful> https://www.opendns.com/about/innovations/dnscrypt/
15:55:18 <Fearful> In the same way the SSL turns HTTP web traffic into HTTPS encrypted Web traffic, DNSCrypt turns regular DNS traffic into encrypted DNS traffic that is secure from eavesdropping and man-in-the-middle attacks.  
15:57:12 <clokep_work> Fearful: I'm well aware.
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15:58:22 <Fearful> :P
15:58:33 <clokep_work> YOu don't need to convince me anyway.
15:59:09 <Fearful> last I checked it doesn't run on linux though
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20:24:02 <DGMurdockIII>  Google Talk cert issues? Remove your connect server
20:31:06 <EionRobb> that's quite an old issue
20:31:45 <DGMurdockIII> that what the pidgin irc channel topic says
20:31:56 <DGMurdockIII> there channel dosnt let anyone talk
20:33:32 <DGMurdockIII> (9 messages omitted)
20:33:32 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] LOG   (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.connect resource:///modules/socket.jsm:148)
20:33:32 <DGMurdockIII> Connecting to: talk.google.com:443
20:33:32 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] DEBUG (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.onTransportStatus resource:///modules/socket.jsm:557)
20:33:32 <DGMurdockIII> onTransportStatus(STATUS_RESOLVING)
20:33:34 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] DEBUG (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.onTransportStatus resource:///modules/socket.jsm:557)
20:33:37 <DGMurdockIII> onTransportStatus(STATUS_RESOLVED)
20:33:39 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] DEBUG (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.onTransportStatus resource:///modules/socket.jsm:557)
20:33:42 <DGMurdockIII> onTransportStatus(STATUS_CONNECTING_TO)
20:33:44 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] DEBUG (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.onTransportStatus resource:///modules/socket.jsm:557)
20:33:47 <DGMurdockIII> onTransportStatus(STATUS_CONNECTED_TO)
20:33:49 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] LOG   (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.sendString resource:///modules/socket.jsm:255)
20:33:51 <DGMurdockIII> Sending:
20:33:53 <DGMurdockIII> <?xml version="1.0"?><stream:stream to="gmail.com" xmlns="jabber:client" xmlns:stream="http://etherx.jabber.org/streams" version="1.0">
20:33:56 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] DEBUG (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.onStartRequest resource:///modules/socket.jsm:480)
20:34:00 <DGMurdockIII> onStartRequest
20:34:02 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] DEBUG (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.onStopRequest resource:///modules/socket.jsm:489)
20:34:04 <DGMurdockIII> onStopRequest (2152398868)
20:34:06 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] LOG   (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.disconnect resource:///modules/socket.jsm:185)
20:34:08 <DGMurdockIII> Disconnect
20:34:10 <DGMurdockIII> sorry
20:38:40 <EionRobb> what do you mean by "there channel dosnt let anyone talk"?
20:39:28 <DGMurdockIII> #pidgin :Cannot send to channel
20:39:54 <EionRobb> why can't you?  anyone can talk in there
20:40:23 <EionRobb> we have lots of people coming in to complain about msn recently, for example
20:40:53 <DGMurdockIII> msn is dead
20:41:20 <EionRobb> there are people who think otherwise ;)
20:41:28 <DGMurdockIII> the msn accounts have be migrated to skype
20:41:37 <EionRobb> apparently a lot of the new skype stuff works on the msnp protocol
20:41:43 <EionRobb> I haven't looked into it myself
20:42:01 <EionRobb> I need to have a look at the new web-based skype chatting that MS provide to see if that's usable in libpurple
20:42:34 <DGMurdockIII> i dont thnk so as look just like a slime down skype
20:42:36 <EionRobb> its 'nice' of MS to create a replacement for WebRTC :(
20:42:47 <EionRobb> DGMurdockIII: I have no idea what you're talking about
20:42:55 <DGMurdockIII> it uses WebRTC
20:43:04 <DGMurdockIII> the web bvased skype
20:43:35 <EionRobb> something called ORTC as a replacement for WebRTC
20:44:24 <DGMurdockIII> http://ortc.org/
20:52:34 <flo-retina> EionRobb: Microsoft recently announced their intent to implement WebRTC
20:52:55 <flo-retina> EionRobb: they had been promoting a slightly different / competing specification for a few years
20:55:29 <EionRobb> hopefully their IE impl isn't just for ORTC and works for WebRTC too
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21:08:06 <DGMurdockIII> yeah but i thnk everone shold stick to webrtc
21:10:13 <DGMurdockIII> Microsoft is ditching Trident for a new rendering engine coded from ground up 
21:36:36 <clokep_work> That's probably not relevant to this conversation. And please don't paste huge amounts of text in here.
21:41:43 <DGMurdockIII> i said i was sorry
21:41:52 <DGMurdockIII> i did not mean to do that
21:42:29 <DGMurdockIII> actaly it is
21:42:56 <DGMurdockIII> becse that mean that hoply ie will get more of the web standers support
21:44:24 <EionRobb> instantbird for IE :P
21:46:51 <clokep_work> According to Wikipedia ORTC *is* WebRTC.
21:47:20 <clokep_work> So that's good. :)
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22:52:12 <EionRobb> any of you lot allowed to login to https://web.skype.com/ ?
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23:36:27 <clokep> EionRobb: No dice.
23:36:44 <clokep> "Sorry, Skype for Web (Beta) is invitation only at this time"
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23:48:30 <EionRobb> hehe, they just do a web request to see if you're elegible, which if you intercept to return a 200 instead of 403 it carrys on as if you are elegible :D
23:49:10 <clokep> EionRobb: (o_O) How are you "elgible"?
23:49:20 <clokep> There an extension to do that yet? :-D
23:49:23 <EionRobb> by intercepting the url for elegibilty checking :D
23:49:38 <EionRobb> https://web.skype.com/v1/api/eligibility-check is the url
23:50:09 <clokep> :)
23:50:30 <flo-retina> EionRobb: sounds as secure as my former bank's website
23:50:50 <EionRobb> banks are the worst :D
23:51:48 <flo-retina> that web page was doing some stuff, querying the server, and then got as a result a form with <input type=hidden containing the account number, and some JS submitting the form immediately onload so that you wouldn't see that page, which would look just like a redirect.
23:52:49 <flo-retina> I noticed because if one disabled JS then the browser got stuck on an empty page... with an 'interesting' source code.
23:56:17 <clokep> EionRobb: Well if you want to est things, lemme know