#instantbird log on 11 05 2014

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01:19:18 <clokep> flo-retina: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/619279d965d1 apparnetly should fix the windows bustage.
01:20:23 <clokep> aleth: I kind of like that change. :)
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02:33:36 <sukhe> flo-retina: so the only difference between intercepting the dialog or 
02:34:20 <sukhe> removing the link is that in the latter case, the user has to manually copy the text, while in the former, s/he can copy the URL with the context menu
02:34:38 <sukhe> opening it with Tor Browser is another possibility but that has its own issues so we are not doing it for now
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02:35:50 <sukhe> and no, we are not removing Twitter
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02:46:35 <sukhe> I was going to submit a patch for another mode that just includes <br> and <p>, but I had be happy to discuss this further
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04:35:43 <instant-buildbot> build #1564 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1564
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04:52:58 <instant-buildbot> build #1217 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1217
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08:25:31 <flo-retina> clokep: a so it was indeed a VS2010 bustage :-/
08:26:37 <flo-retina> sukhe: if you are not removing twitter, don't remove <a> tags. Twitter doesn't show the real URLs, it shows something shortened that users can't copy/paste to a browser.
08:27:32 <flo-retina> sukhe: what are the issues with opening in Tor browser?
08:27:45 <flo-retina> (or really, with letting the user select the application to use to open the link?)
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09:16:50 <sukhe> flo-retina: there are various ways in which Tor Messenger can function with Tor Browser running (mostly related to sharing of the Tor process) that we don't want to get into right now. so we decided that if a user wants to open a link, they will have to manually copy and paste it and clicking it won't work. if the user selects another application, it can be used to de-anonymize the user since that application may not be using Tor
09:17:56 <flo-retina> "if the user selects another application, it can be used to de-anonymize the user" that's also true if the user makes a copy/paste mistake to an application that isn't the Tor browser, right?
09:19:10 <sukhe> yup. it's a poor stop-gap arrangement for now, no doubt. an ideal solution is to warn the user and then show the ContentDispatcher dialog, ensuring that Tor Browser will be the primary choice. but that's for later
09:19:37 <flo-retina> if you want to avoid communication from Tor Messenger to the default browser set in the OS's settings, you really want to block that near the external protocol handler service; you don't want to mess with the HTML.
09:20:04 <flo-retina> what makes you think showing that dialog would be more difficult? (it may just be flipping a pref)
09:20:26 <flo-retina> maybe network.protocol-handler.warn-external.https and network.protocol-handler.warn-external.http
09:21:01 <sukhe> yup we are doing that. it's not about difficulty, but mostly that we have not clearly planned out the ideal way of handling this
09:21:24 <flo-retina> okay
09:21:47 <flo-retina> then my opinion is that anything else you can find will be better than messing with the HTML <a> tags (as doing that makes twitter useless)
09:23:02 <sukhe> okay. do you mean that when using Twitter, it shortens the URLs and that causes problems for people to copy them or open them?
09:24:15 <sukhe> (sorry, I am a Twitter n00b)
09:25:27 <flo-retina> sukhe: example: the message will display "blog.flowreader.com/twitter-cant-r…" and the HTML will be: <a href="http://blog.flowreader.com/twitter-cant-replace-rss/">
09:25:41 <flo-retina> if you strip the <a> tag, there's no way the user can click that 'link'.
09:26:07 <sukhe> aah ok
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10:23:34 <aleth> clokep: I guess it makes sense that VS2010 doesn't support C++11 :-/
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11:33:00 <clokep> aleth: Because it came out before 2011? ;)
11:33:15 <clokep> But we're all green again it looks like.
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11:34:38 <aleth> What confused me after I had just that thought is that there's C+11 in a lot of mozilla code. And then I found https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Using_CXX_in_Mozilla_code
11:35:14 <clokep> aleth: So C+11 had been in development for a long time and pulled in features supported by other compilers.
11:35:24 <clokep> So MSVC2010 defnitely supports some of it.
11:36:11 <aleth> Green indeed :) But do we have anything to land?
11:37:11 <clokep> I have no idea how treeherder looks
11:37:22 <aleth> green enough to open c-c imho
11:37:41 <clokep> Fairly green too, yeah.
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14:10:27 <qheaden> Hello everyone.
14:12:08 <clokep_work> Hello qheaden!
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14:50:43 <edhelas> hopla :)
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14:59:43 <edhelas> ayant également implémenté WebRTC sur mon client XMPP j'aimerais faire quelques tests de compatibilité avec Instantbird
15:02:52 <edhelas> j'ai aussi quelques questions à vous poser sur le projet :)
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15:07:42 <flo-retina> edhelas: hello :)
15:08:26 <flo-retina> edhelas: please try in English, so that everybody can follow the conversation :). If you need help for some words, I can help translating
15:08:35 <edhelas> no problem
15:08:41 <edhelas> firstly tjanks for the project :)
15:08:47 <edhelas> *thanks
15:08:56 <flo-retina> the patches related to WebRTC over XMPP are in bug 1018060
15:08:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1018060 enh, --, ---, mayanktg, NEW, Video calls via XMPP/Jingle and WebRTC
15:09:24 <edhelas> I have a segfault error on the 1.6dev and 1.5 packages so I can't test it yet, I'm trying to recompile it to see what happend
15:11:51 <aleth> What XMPP client are you working on?
15:12:03 <edhelas> Movim :) https://movim.eu/
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15:47:45 <aleth> edhelas: Note the patches in that bug are obviously a WIP ;)
15:48:06 <edhelas> ok :)
15:48:16 <edhelas> well I have a couple of questions to ask
15:48:30 <edhelas> first, I'd really like to test WebRTC integration with my client
15:49:16 <edhelas> secondly, what are you thinking of this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385758
15:49:18 <instantbot> Bug 385758 enh, --, ---, nobody, REOP, Support Jabber (XMPP) in addition to Mail and News
15:49:38 <kapy> hello, is there any documentation that can guide me through the code of instantbird
15:49:50 <aleth> we'd love to be interoperable with your client of course
15:50:44 <aleth> edhelas: I'm confused by that bug - TB already has XMPP support
15:51:18 <edhelas> read again ;) we are not talking about Chat integration
15:51:26 <edhelas> but remplacing POP/IMAP/SMTP by XMPP
15:52:00 <aleth> Oh... that's probably a question for #maildev
15:52:24 <aleth> If you want to support XMPP *as a mail protocol* in TB
15:53:37 <aleth> kapy: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Main_Page
15:54:14 <aleth> kapy: Most of the documentation that exists is in the code itself
15:54:32 <kapy> ok, thanks
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16:50:57 <flo-retina> aleth: I think kapy's questions was more "is there a wikipage somewhere explaining in which folder to look to start digging in the code?"
16:52:21 <kapy> aleth: if there's a page like that, it would be great
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17:11:33 <clokep_work> kapy: The best way is to ask us, most likely.
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17:12:12 <kapy> ok i will ask you whenever i don't understand
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17:12:31 <kapy> is the code for instantbird mainly in javascript ?
17:14:18 <clokep_work> kapy: A lot of it is JavaScript, there's a good amount of C++ too.
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17:16:24 <kapy> i'm weak in js, can you suggest me any good resources to learn js
17:20:32 <clokep_work> I don't know any, sorry.
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17:28:22 * clokep_work can't find the bug about including "Highlight" functionality in IRC (i.e. bug 1094278, but for IB)
17:28:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1094278 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, notifications about custom keywords for IRC
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