#instantbird log on 10 23 2014

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03:49:19 <instant-buildbot> build #2398 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2398
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07:06:24 <instant-buildbot> build #98 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/98
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10:58:31 <clokep> FYI The Linux32 builder is offline
11:00:57 <flo-retina> would have been nice to know what while I was at home :-/
11:01:32 <clokep> I wasn't awake yet. :P
11:01:50 <flo-retina> according to the waterfall, it was already offline yesterday
11:02:10 <flo-retina> I wondered this morning why there were only 3 "build successful" messages in the log and no failure
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11:02:21 <flo-retina> but I guess I wasn't awake enough to verify what was going on
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16:44:08 * clokep_work should bounce that video review back to someone else. ;)
16:44:12 <clokep_work> nhnt11, right?
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16:55:57 <aleth> clokep_work: Now everyone has worked on it I guess we just have to review it in circles ;)
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16:57:31 <flo-retina> I haven't reviewed the front end part recently
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17:11:17 <Fallen> help, it seems I have joined #automation but I can't find the window anymore, and /join #automation does nothing. How do I find it?
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17:12:25 <aleth> It should be either in the contact list (on hold), or use the Windows menu?
17:12:33 <flo-retina> Fallen: I would just try to access it from the awesometab
17:12:48 <Fallen> hmm I did /part #automation here, then it said I cannot send msgs to #instantbird. I had to /join #instantbird again
17:13:04 <Fallen> not using a nightly though. maybe you've fixed it already
17:13:10 <aleth> Fallen: /part doesn't take a channel as a parameter
17:13:12 <Mook_as> Fallen: you parted with the message "#automation" :)
17:13:20 <Fallen> ah nice :-)
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17:14:42 <clokep_work> Fallen: In nightlies if you "/join foo" it will open the channel again, even if it's on hold.
17:14:48 <Fallen> I found it after parting here though, it was on an open tab somewhere
17:14:48 <clokep_work> I believe that wasn't in 1.5 at least.
17:14:59 <clokep_work> Ah, if it's a different window...no idea what happens. :)
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17:17:02 <Mook_as> that's why you should use thunderbird, only one window to keep track of :p
17:17:48 <aleth> If that's not in 1.5, we really do need to release soon :-/
17:18:39 <clokep_work> We looked it up. Dec. 20th is ay ear
17:27:55 <Fallen> btw has anyone tried to create a dns client with the new UDPSocket?
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17:49:05 <flo-retina> the linux32 slave was actually really "offline", in that for some reason the RJ45 cable was unplugged
17:51:13 <clokep_work> Mook_as: ^ ^
17:52:07 <Mook_as> No, I haven't tried to make a DNS client with UDPSocket :p
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18:07:26 <arlolra> is this a known issue? https://gist.github.com/arlolra/c62b38bdfa59cd0d3e3e
18:08:09 <aleth> arlolra: Hopefully it is fixed in the current nightly
18:08:57 <aleth> The Linux 32b nightly is a couple days behind though
18:09:25 <flo-retina> aleth: hopefully will be up to date soon
18:09:38 <arlolra> ok, thanks
18:09:42 <flo-retina> "ETA in ~ 1 hrs 22 mins" says buildbot
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19:27:41 <instant-buildbot> build #1202 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1202
19:27:56 <aleth> ^^ arlolra
19:28:16 <aleth> Please file a bug if it still happens after updating
19:28:28 <arlolra> will do. so far so good
19:29:19 <arlolra> (i'm on osx and hadn't updated ... i guess you're alerting me to that finished linux build)
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19:39:24 <aleth> arlolra: The OSX nightly already has the fixes
19:40:22 <arlolra> at the time I hadn't updated
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20:18:02 <arlolra> are there any gotchas while building on yosemite ... or this just my problem?
20:19:08 <aleth> nhnt11 ^^ ?
20:19:20 <aleth> I don't think anyone else has updated yet ;)
20:19:25 <aleth> It should build though, TB does.
20:19:34 * aleth famous last wors
20:19:37 <aleth> *words
20:19:45 <nhnt11> No problems here, but I don't remember if I've done a clobber
20:19:49 <nhnt11> Let me try...
20:20:14 <flo-retina> arlolra: if you've got a build problem, pastebining failure logs usually help ;)
20:21:11 <arlolra> it was something like clang++ segfaulting ... but let me retry
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20:43:52 <nhnt11> Hmm, my build failed when building purple, because I had the video call patch applied in purple/ but not in c-c
20:44:12 <nhnt11> So looks like it should build fine once I apply the c-c patches :)
20:44:44 <nhnt11> Yeah, build successful.
20:44:57 <aleth> :-)
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20:46:10 <nhnt11-testing> Everything is in Helvetica ;)
20:46:48 <aleth> Are you building with a SDK > 10.8 ?
20:47:35 <nhnt11-testing> Yeah
20:47:41 <aleth> Oh wait, bug 931040 has been fixed
20:47:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=931040 nor, --, mozilla34, jdaggett, RESO FIXED, [10.9] CSS system fonts are displayed incorrectly as Helvetica under OSX 10.9
20:47:51 <aleth> and anyway, Helvetica is clearly correct for 10.10 ;)
20:47:53 <nhnt11-testing> Same kind of thing used to happen with the 10.9 sdk when it was first released right?
20:47:54 <nhnt11-testing> Yeah
20:48:00 <nhnt11-testing> It's not just Helvetica though
20:48:06 <nhnt11-testing> Sizes are a bit messed up in places
20:48:27 <aleth> That's probably all the stuff JosiahOne has been porting to TB
20:48:29 * nhnt11-testing will rebuild with the 10.9 sdk
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20:50:17 <nhnt11> My build took >17 minutes btw ;)
20:50:26 <nhnt11> As compared to ~12 minutes in Toronto
20:50:39 <aleth> wow, you think it's the ambient heat?
20:50:52 <nhnt11> Probably.
20:54:37 <arlolra> build took me 21mins w/ 10.10 sdk but worked this time
20:55:24 <clokep_work> WOOT!
20:55:32 <clokep_work> arlolra: Btw I sent you an email about UI...
20:55:53 <arlolra> yup, got it. it's sitting in my inbox, daring me to respond
20:57:12 <arlolra> clokep_work: I had a question about "1. Anything that pops up and interferes with what a user is currently doing is a no-no: e.g. no modal dialogues."
20:58:22 <arlolra> can you clarify what you mean by modal dialogue. is that something that stops the world until you respond?
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21:00:22 <arlolra> there's an authentication flow where I ask a question (and supply an answer) and you're prompted to answer it. then a few messages are exchanged in the background (where a % completion bar can be shown) and then hopefully it switches from "unverified" to "private" as a status
21:01:07 <arlolra> ... and clokep_work has left the room ... great
21:01:41 <aleth> arlolra: A modal dialog is traditionally something that blocks everything else until you respond, yes
21:02:56 <arlolra> aleth: ok, I agree with that tenant then
21:03:03 <aleth> If there is an auth process that blocks sending messages in a given tab, that's probably OK, if it's done nicely. But it should be possible to e.g. switch tabs and do stuff elsewhere
21:03:20 <aleth> Really we don't want to ever get in the way of the user.
21:06:27 <arlolra> the auth process shouldn't even need to block in the current conversation, nevermind others
21:06:36 <aleth> Great :)
21:06:52 <aleth> Can it be automated, after it has happened once? e.g. by storing stuff in the password manager?
21:07:00 * aleth is not sure how auth works in OTR
21:07:39 <arlolra> otr will manage authed fingerprints. so if you're talking to someone who you've already seen before, the process will be unnecessary
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21:08:29 <aleth> Sounds like this is going to be a property of contacts in the contact list? (whether they are OTR-fingerprinted or not)
21:09:24 <arlolra> sorry, one sec
21:10:09 <nhnt11> 10.9sdk build took 19 minutes :(
21:10:18 <nhnt11> And didn't get rid of the font issues...
21:13:29 <aleth> Probably the current OSX CSS makes some bad implicit assumptions
21:13:53 <aleth> Helvetica will take up a different amount of space etc
21:14:14 <aleth> Do you have a screenshot?
21:14:19 <nhnt11> sure, 1 minute..
21:15:30 <nhnt11> http://puu.sh/cnQsQ/193e490d56.png, http://puu.sh/cnQqX/621e3d3681.png
21:15:46 <arlolra> aleth: sorry, putting out a fire at work. be back in a bit
21:16:12 <aleth> nhnt11: not as bad as bug 954368 then ;)
21:16:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954368 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, em and pt usage in CSS causes size/alignment errors for certain font sizes and DPI settings
21:16:29 <aleth> But probably similar
21:17:07 <nhnt11> Well, stuff doesn't overlap in this case so that's good :)
21:17:29 <aleth> Yes, it doesn't look broken, just not perfect :)
21:18:13 <aleth> Something is also wrong with the margins on the inputbox or something, the blue outline looks asymmetric
21:18:32 <nhnt11> Indeed
21:19:17 <nhnt11> aleth: Looks the same way on the current nightly: http://puu.sh/cnQLS/1cdb1b0fdf.png
21:19:47 <aleth> Hmm yes, it's more obvious on retina, but I think I can see it on my nightly here too
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21:21:15 <aleth> nhnt11: I wonder if the conv-textbox changes in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8504056&action=diff would fix this
21:21:42 <nhnt11> HMM
21:21:44 <nhnt11> Hmm*
21:22:04 <aleth> That's for TB, but the CSS should be identical
21:22:15 <nhnt11> I notice there appears to be a bottom border of some sort on the convbrowser at the moment
21:22:25 <nhnt11> That seems to be what's making it look broken...
21:22:27 <aleth> That's not blue though?
21:22:44 <nhnt11> There's more space at the top of the inputbox for the blue glow to be seen than at the other edges
21:22:54 <nhnt11> And that border I mentioned makes it look weird
21:23:04 <nhnt11> aleth: http://puu.sh/cnR4H/5c7f9d3ef1.png
21:23:12 <aleth> Right, we're cutting off some of the blue glow at the bottom and sides
21:23:22 <aleth> I think the changes in that patch would likely fix that
21:23:48 <aleth> And maybe the border you found should go too, worth a try
21:24:23 <nhnt11> I'll try it soon-ish (maybe not tonight though, I need to sleep at some point)
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23:30:18 <arlolra> clokep: not sure if you saw that http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/141023/#m286
23:30:41 <clokep> arlolra: Give me five.
23:31:03 <arlolra> sure
23:32:50 <clokep> arlolra: modal dialogues are those things that pop up and MAKE you respond before you can do anything else.
23:32:56 <clokep> Like...everything in IE.
23:33:18 <aleth> or pidgin ;)
23:34:13 <arlolra> k. nothing in otr wants that
23:34:59 <arlolra> there is a question / answer flow that I described there though that maybe you have thoughts on how you'd like to see it done
23:37:02 <clokep> arlolra: What aleth said is reasonable. I agree with him.
23:37:09 <clokep> He probably has better UI ideas than me.
23:39:16 <arlolra> aleth: have you tried out the extension yet?
23:39:33 <aleth> arlolra: no
23:40:02 <arlolra> ok, I thought at some point you said you were gonna. but perhaps that was someone else
23:40:24 <aleth> Is it in the ctypes-otr repo or...?
23:40:51 <arlolra> yup, just follow https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr#dev-env
23:41:41 <aleth> no problem
23:41:51 <aleth> Can I test this tomorrow? It's getting late here
23:43:04 <clokep> arlolra: So what's the next step anyway?
23:43:05 <arlolra> sure, whenever you have time
23:43:36 <aleth> iirc you still have patches in the review queue?
23:43:45 <aleth> Are those blocking you?
23:44:49 <arlolra> it would be good to get this one merged https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1071166
23:44:52 <instantbot> Bug 1071166 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Outgoing messages not escaped correctly
23:45:08 <arlolra> i talked to flo about it earlier and he'd like to see some tests so the regression doesn't happen again
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23:46:20 <arlolra> figuring out how to handle commands is also a priority
23:46:20 <arlolra> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1081559
23:46:23 <instantbot> Bug 1081559 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Send raw msgs through the conversation service
23:47:33 <arlolra> clokep: a next step might be to figure how to integrate the extension into your build process. figuring out where in the tree it lives and all that
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23:48:02 <aleth> I don't think we'd need to land it as an extension really, unless I am missing something
23:48:16 <aleth> If we're shipping it by default...
23:48:39 <clokep> aleth: We don't.
23:48:43 <arlolra> right, I guess mean where to put the modules I've written
23:48:49 <clokep> arlolra: That shouldn't be too hard for me or aleth or Florian to do.
23:49:03 <clokep> I could likely integrate it tonight and put up a patch for you if I knew what code had to be compiled. :)
23:49:38 <clokep> arlolra: So Florian and I talked about bug 1081559 last week.
23:49:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1081559 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Send raw msgs through the conversation service
23:49:42 <clokep> And frankly it confuses the hell out of us.
23:49:49 <aleth> arlolra: The UI will be *much* less hassle to code as patches as opposed to addons
23:49:49 <arlolra> ha
23:49:52 <clokep> there seems to be a bunch of issues wrapped up together into a single bug.
23:50:06 <arlolra> clokep: https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor-messenger-build.git/blob/HEAD:/projects/libotr/build
23:50:17 <arlolra> libotr, libgcrypt, libgpg-error
23:50:28 <arlolra> are the dependencies
23:50:33 <clokep> Sounds painful. :-D
23:51:26 <arlolra> or maybe this one
23:51:26 <arlolra> https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor-messenger-build.git/blob/HEAD:/projects/ctypes-otr/config
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23:56:04 <clokep> ARG!
23:56:06 <clokep> SASLSERV
23:56:13 <clokep> arlolra: So where are those code repos? 
23:56:18 * clokep is feeling a little lazy. :-[
23:58:38 <clokep_work> Ah I found it. :)