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00:00:14 <-- Rym has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 00:02:11 <clokep> Haha! Sorry. 00:02:21 <clokep> Thanks for stealing that review btw. :) 00:02:27 <clokep> I'm trying ot make that guy into a contributor. ;) 00:02:57 <aleth> Yes, that's definitely the secret plan ;) He seems to be making himself one on his own anyway... 00:10:41 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 00:11:16 <aleth> Hmm, I hope my r- didn't come across as snarky. Wasn't intended that way 00:12:53 <clokep> Not at all. :) 00:18:58 <-- mconley has quit (Connection closed) 00:20:38 <-- Armada has quit (Connection closed) 00:25:55 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 00:26:20 --> Rym has joined #instantbird 00:30:46 <-- Rym has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 00:35:05 <clokep> So apparenly we use "servername" *a lot* 00:35:36 <clokep> sed t othe rescue?! 00:38:47 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 00:43:46 * clokep feels bad for whoever reviews this patch. ;) 00:47:48 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 00:49:27 <-- arlolra has quit (Client exited) 00:51:07 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 00:59:43 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 01:03:10 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 01:16:59 <-- Mook_as has quit (Client exited) 01:20:27 --> Rym has joined #instantbird 01:24:57 <-- Rym has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 01:33:18 <DGMurdockIII> why so much focaus on irc 01:33:36 <DGMurdockIII> why not just make a irc client if you want to make a irc client 01:34:02 <DGMurdockIII> i mean if you want that much focas on irc 01:34:06 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: Instantbird does IRC. 01:34:11 <clokep> And I don't know what you're referring to. 01:34:23 <DGMurdockIII> yes 01:34:24 <DGMurdockIII> i now\ 01:34:30 <DGMurdockIII> it supports irc 01:34:47 <clokep> I hope you realize that that statement you made sounds vaguely insulting btw. 01:35:42 <DGMurdockIII> im seeing a lot of work beeing put in too the support for irc support and it looking some of the other stuff like the setting interface overhall that it says it keep going to happen 01:36:09 <DGMurdockIII> dtaken away from stuff like that 01:37:01 <-- Bollebib has quit (Connection closed) 01:37:24 <DGMurdockIII> dont get me wrong it should have good irc support but i need good multi protocol 01:37:36 <DGMurdockIII> support like file sharing 01:37:48 <DGMurdockIII> you shee what i mean 01:38:28 <clokep> I don't know what setting interface overhaul you're talking about. 01:38:41 <clokep> And I wouldn't say any work is really taking away from any other. 01:41:30 <DGMurdockIII> let me tell you what i mean about setting interface overhaul 01:42:21 <DGMurdockIII> u see what this says http://i.imgur.com/tnBBcfG.png 01:47:12 <clokep> I see the settings window. 01:47:23 <clokep> As far as I know no one has been planning to redo that. 01:47:26 <clokep> Unless you are. 01:48:11 <DGMurdockIII> the merge stuff 01:48:37 <DGMurdockIII> where it say the follow two part will be merge merge in a later verson 01:48:50 <DGMurdockIII> parts i mean 01:51:26 <clokep> I don't understand what that means, sorry. 01:53:42 <-- sherief has quit (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) 01:56:04 <Fallen> DGMurdockIII: working on JS-IRC is actually a step towards merging those two settings 01:56:44 <DGMurdockIII> is anyting beside IRC stuff being working on 01:56:46 <Fallen> the first one is for libpurple. If all important account types that were in libpurple are written in JS, then there is no need for the extra setting and libpurple can be removed or moved into an extension 01:57:11 <Fallen> Since I'm not an instantbird person I can't say, but from what I have been hearing, there are a lot of other things being worked on 01:57:18 <Fallen> webrtc support for example 01:57:35 <DGMurdockIII> Fallen, you dont use instantbird 01:57:45 <Fallen> I use it, but I don't develop for it 01:57:53 <DGMurdockIII> ok i dont use it for irc 01:58:01 <DGMurdockIII> i use hexchat 01:58:29 <Fallen> I guess its a matter of taste. I only use Instantbird for IRC actually 01:58:35 <Fallen> oh gtalk 01:58:41 <clokep> There are lots of things being worked on. I don't get why you say it's the only thing being worked on. 01:59:04 <DGMurdockIII> well it seems like most of the time i only see talk about irc 01:59:06 <DGMurdockIII> stuff 01:59:10 <Fallen> clokep: hmm strange. I didn't see you leave, but the channel list says you are not here 01:59:33 <Fallen> and you are obviously talking here :-P 02:00:30 <DGMurdockIII> if the instantbird irc had better handleing of channel topic so they dont take of half the chat 02:00:46 <clokep> Fallen: aleth fixed that this week: https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/fd014df4dd07 02:01:05 <Fallen> ah cool. Maybe I should upgrade to a nightly then 02:01:15 <clokep> Fallen: Tomorrow's nightly will have it fixed, yeah. 02:01:21 <DGMurdockIII> on the defult window size i would think about using instantbird for irc 02:01:27 <clokep> The new IRC server broke a few things, one was our fault. One there.s ;) 02:01:37 <clokep> But we just fixed both of them. Should be in the next nightly. 02:01:46 <DGMurdockIII> and if you had a server list 02:01:52 <Fallen> cool :-) 02:02:00 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: You don't pay attention then, last week all that was discussed was XMPP and WebRTC. 02:02:20 <DGMurdockIII> ok 02:02:47 <DGMurdockIII> sorry 02:02:57 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 02:03:14 <-- mconley has quit (Connection closed) 02:03:37 <DGMurdockIII> but also i suggested long time that instead of makeing user type in server you provde t hem with a list to pic from like most irc client do 02:04:20 <DGMurdockIII> clokep, have you looked in to doing that 02:05:37 <DGMurdockIII> WebRTC would be nice for doing video chat 02:05:39 <Fallen> but thats another IRC thing. They won't have enough time for other things then! 02:06:19 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: We have talked about it yes, it's no trivial. 02:06:48 <DGMurdockIII> you know you can pull the list from mirc site 02:07:25 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 02:07:49 <DGMurdockIII> the ini file 02:08:11 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.mirc.com/serverslist.html 02:08:18 <DGMurdockIII> that u get here 02:14:35 --> Rym has joined #instantbird 02:16:14 <clokep> I don't see how that helps. 02:19:05 <-- Rym has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 02:19:37 <clokep> The hard part isn't making a list, it's integrating it into the UI 02:27:08 <clokep> And rejiggering the interfaces that don't take any of this concept into accounts. 02:27:13 <clokep> It's been discussed, it's just not easy. 02:28:00 <clokep> It's also kind of meh since we don't set up accounts lal that often we don't deal witth the pain frequently. 02:30:43 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 02:48:41 <DGMurdockIII> but think of the users 02:51:45 <Fallen> I don't think users set up accounts that often either. I'd personally prefer if they concentrated on other features, but I guess its all a matter of perspective 02:58:31 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 03:08:48 --> Rym has joined #instantbird 03:13:17 <-- Rym has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 03:26:33 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 03:41:48 --> Widders has joined #instantbird 03:44:48 <-- Widdershins has quit (Quit: Leaving) 03:44:49 <-- Widders has quit (Quit: Leaving) 03:44:57 --> Widdershins has joined #instantbird 03:49:06 --> sherief has joined #instantbird 04:02:55 --> Rym has joined #instantbird 04:07:25 <-- Rym has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 04:16:08 <instant-buildbot> build #1559 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1559 04:53:15 <instant-buildbot> build #97 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed shell_5] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/97 04:57:07 --> Rym has joined #instantbird 05:01:36 <-- Rym has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 05:17:36 * redDragon|away is now known as redDragon 05:21:13 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 05:28:52 * redDragon is now known as redDragon|away 05:44:28 <-- Mook has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 05:51:17 --> Rym has joined #instantbird 05:55:46 <-- Rym has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 06:24:32 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 06:26:19 <instant-buildbot> build #2397 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2397 06:45:25 --> Rym has joined #instantbird 06:49:57 <-- Rym has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 06:55:44 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 06:55:55 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 07:19:13 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 07:39:36 --> Rym has joined #instantbird 07:44:04 <-- Rym has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 07:49:17 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 08:00:57 --> gerv has joined #instantbird 08:10:25 <-- Widdershins has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 08:14:45 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 08:14:51 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 08:16:53 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 08:18:06 --> Armada has joined #instantbird 08:22:09 --> hadi has joined #instantbird 08:22:58 <-- hadi has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 08:25:44 --> Bollebib has joined #instantbird 08:26:58 --> hadi has joined #instantbird 08:29:53 <DGMurdockIII> Fallen|away, it would make the use expernce better 08:33:47 --> Rym has joined #instantbird 08:38:15 <-- Rym has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 08:48:36 <-- hadi has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 08:54:30 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 09:07:22 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 09:07:23 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 09:09:29 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 09:09:29 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 09:10:13 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: exit stage left) 09:10:16 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 09:10:17 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 09:21:44 --> iamjayakumars has joined #instantbird 09:27:24 <-- iamjayakumars has quit (Connection closed) 09:27:53 --> Rym has joined #instantbird 09:32:25 <-- Rym has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 09:32:51 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 09:37:33 --> Bollebib1 has joined #instantbird 09:37:42 <-- Bollebib has quit (Connection closed) 09:45:06 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 09:54:42 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 09:54:42 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 09:56:11 <flo-retina> ohoh, the tabbar-of-the-wrong-color bug I've been seeing for years when moving an Instantbird conversation window to a non-retina external screen is not visible today! :) 09:56:50 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 10:06:26 <nhnt11> :O 10:06:36 * nhnt11 will try when he reaches his room 10:06:41 <nhnt11> (last test in 25 mins) 10:08:46 <flo-retina> nhnt11: there's still the ugly flash with a white or broken area displayed for ~1s 10:08:53 <flo-retina> but after that flash finishes, the window looks OK 10:09:41 <flo-retina> does that mean you'll be in vacations in a few hours? :) 10:12:56 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 10:12:56 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 10:12:56 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 10:16:11 --> BWMerlin has joined #instantbird 10:22:04 --> Rym has joined #instantbird 10:24:39 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:24:39 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 10:25:17 * aleth wonders if IRC will be unbroken today 10:26:34 <-- Rym has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 10:39:39 --> Rym has joined #instantbird 10:46:47 <clokep> aleth: I hope so! 10:46:49 <clokep> I should update. :) 10:47:38 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 10:47:50 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:47:50 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 10:48:30 <clokep> It drives me crazy that the auto-join rooms are in the ordre of my auto-join list and not the order I last had them in the UI. :-\ 10:49:02 <aleth> yeah, one of these days we really should do session restore 10:49:11 <aleth> can't be that hard 11:01:42 <flo-retina> clokep: so it's possible --enable-release and signing wasn't an issue 11:01:50 <flo-retina> sorry for not noticing the path issue yesterday :-/ 11:05:31 <clokep> Not a problem. 11:31:38 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 11:48:12 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 11:48:31 <nhnt11> flo-retina: I'm on the latest nightly and still see the bug :( 11:48:39 <nhnt11> (The tabbar thing) 11:48:44 <nhnt11> Maybe it's not fixed on 10.10 yet or something... 11:49:36 <nhnt11> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today/#m172 Yes, tomorrow and friday are holidays for Diwali :) 11:49:48 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 11:49:54 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 11:50:03 <nhnt11> Aha! 11:50:14 <nhnt11> After restarting Instantbird I no longer see the broken tabbar color 11:50:29 <nhnt11> Maybe Ib needs to be started while connected to an external display? 11:51:07 * nhnt11 feels motivated to look at porting Australis tabs (at least for OS X) soon 11:51:27 <aleth> :-) 11:51:30 <nhnt11> The current tabs look especially out of place on 10.10... 11:51:33 <aleth> Happy Diwali :) 11:51:36 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 11:51:37 <nhnt11> Thanks! 11:51:59 <nhnt11> I'll likely be offline till tomorrow night fyi 11:52:31 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Connection closed) 12:04:18 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 12:10:02 <-- BWMerlin has quit (Client exited) 12:22:26 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 12:22:26 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 12:25:48 <flo-retina> nhnt11: I think I would be even more motivated to port australis tabs if I used Ib on Windows ;) 12:38:50 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:38:52 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 12:38:52 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 12:42:35 <clokep_work> aleth: Good call on the tests, I guess my sed call wasn't recursive. :) 12:51:23 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:52:47 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 12:55:51 --> mikk_s has joined #instantbird 12:56:06 <-- mikk_s has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:58:36 <clokep_work> aleth: So I don't love referring to the nickname when we really want the servername, but I guess we really don't care which one we have. 12:59:05 --> qheaden has joined #instantbird 12:59:28 <clokep_work> ** A wild qheaden appears ** 12:59:44 * qheaden attempts to hide in a bush 13:03:38 <-- qheaden has quit (Quit: Leaving) 13:03:49 --> qheaden has joined #instantbird 13:04:27 <qheaden> clokep_work: I think I asked this before, but are there any ideas or plans on implementing account syncing with Ib? 13:04:34 <qheaden> Kinda like how Firefox has sync. 13:05:27 <clokep_work> qheaden: It's been discussed before. 13:05:32 <clokep_work> I think you just volunteered to do it? 13:05:49 <clokep_work> aleth: the ircMessage object has no reference to the account. :'( 13:05:57 <qheaden> lol 13:07:38 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 13:13:09 <clokep_work> qheaden: But seriously, it has been discussed yes. I think Florian has some ideas on it too. 13:17:32 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 13:28:03 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 13:28:10 <Armada> I can't connect to XMPP conferences on my ejabberd server, users with other clients have no problem connecting to it 13:28:58 <Armada> I'm getting very helpful error messages again "notify: purple_notify_message" 13:29:47 <aleth> Armada: Is there anything special about the conferences you are trying to join? Password protection or...? 13:30:08 <Armada> nope 13:30:13 <Armada> no password 13:31:06 <Armada> hmmm, I'm not getting any more error message, but I also can't see anything else happening when I try to join 13:33:05 <Armada> I think it's the DNS SRV records 13:34:31 <aleth> Armada: Are you using Instantbird or Thunderbird? 13:34:37 <Armada> I tried both 13:34:43 <aleth> oh. 13:34:56 <aleth> They use different XMPP implementations, so that's interesting. 13:35:12 <aleth> Can you file a bug with a debug log? 13:36:05 <Armada> where can I get a debug log 13:36:17 <Armada> might help me find the problem since there is no feedback at all 13:36:18 <aleth> Account manager -> right-click on the account 13:36:43 <aleth> Do it just after the problem occurs, ideally after a fresh connect and join 13:37:09 <clokep_work> If it needs DNS SRV, Thunderbird won't work. 13:38:43 <Armada> clokep_work: A direct connection also doesn't work. Shouldn't I at least get an error somewhere? Even the error console doesn't tell me that anything went wrong 13:39:32 <aleth> Bah, I'm not sure the debug log from libpurple prpls is very useful :-S 13:39:44 <Armada> aleth: it's empty for me 13:39:55 <aleth> Armada: OK, then we need to switch to JS-XMPP 13:40:01 <aleth> Just for the purposes of getting the log 13:40:08 <flo-retina> aleth: it shouldn't be empty, unless the account has been disconnected 13:40:23 <flo-retina> aleth: but setting the log level in about:config may be needed to actually log what happens 13:40:25 <Armada> it's just a copy-paste right? 13:42:16 <Armada> hmmm, when I log into my account it gives me a "Cloudn't look up SRV record. DNS name does not exist." in the error log even though it succesfully resolved and connected to it 13:42:39 <Armada> this is my SRV record: https://kingant.net/check_xmpp_dns/?h=aerix.nl 13:43:22 <Armada> it would've been helpful if it indicated which DNS name it tried to resolve 13:44:07 <aleth> Armada: So after you've connected and sent some messages, the debug log is still empty? 13:44:38 <Armada> aleth: yes 13:44:41 <aleth> Try changing purple.debug.loglevel to 1 as flo-retina suggested 13:44:59 <aleth> flo-retina: are you sure debug logs work for libpurple? 13:45:33 <Armada> it works now, previous log level was 3 13:45:57 <aleth> Yes, if you have 1 it will spam the error console. 13:46:53 <flo-retina> aleth: yes, I'm sure 13:46:53 --> iamjayakumars has joined #instantbird 13:46:57 <flo-retina> I spent enough time crafting that code 13:47:03 <flo-retina> or at least I'm sure it did work 13:47:17 <Armada> http://pastie.org/private/axigr9uvzynwxf43qx4sva 13:47:21 <Armada> that's my debug log 13:47:49 <Armada> only the last line was generated when I tried connecting to the conference room 13:49:04 <aleth> That's very short :-| 13:49:25 <aleth> Armada: Can you try something? Change the forceprpl pref to not contain XMPP, then restart, and get another debug log 13:49:48 <aleth> s/forceprpl/forcepurple 13:51:02 <Armada> it doesn't contain XMPP 13:51:18 <Armada> oh wait, jabber is there 13:52:08 <Armada> aleth: unable to connect since it can't resolve the SRV record 13:52:25 <Armada> I'll manually add the server 13:52:26 <clokep_work> You need to provide the server name in that case. 13:52:44 <clokep_work> The implementation you're using now doesn't actually support DNS SRV at all. :( 13:53:14 <aleth> clokep_work: Did you come to any conclusion at the summit about how to move DNS SRV forward? 13:54:31 <Armada> aleth: different debug log, but it says the same thing, it tries to send a presence notification and that's it 13:54:58 <aleth> There should be more detail though, can you paste it? 13:55:35 <Armada> this one contains a lot more private info, so I'll only paste the relevant lines 13:55:39 <aleth> sure 13:56:07 <aleth> do remove all the private stuff! 13:57:11 <Armada> aleth: http://pastie.org/private/xjry6qvrp59ws6nacscchq 13:57:19 <Armada> that's it, the rest is just info about my contacts 13:57:50 <aleth> That looks like the server doesn't respond at all to the attempted join 13:58:02 <aleth> I assume normal messages work? 13:58:06 <Armada> yes 13:59:00 <Armada> let me try a different client myself, so far I've been going by reports from 2 other users that it actually works at all, though I do know the relevant modules are enabled on the server\ 13:59:30 <aleth> It would be great to find out what the other clients are sending, if a join works there. Since IB doesn't receive anything back from the server to guide us 14:04:42 <clokep_work> aleth: I think it was "Add a server somewhere that can do it or create a custom service in c-c." 14:05:27 <clokep_work> aleth: Where "service" in taht sentence is in the XPCOM sense, I think. 14:06:36 --> BillBinkley has joined #instantbird 14:06:37 <Armada> aleth: Strange, with Pidgin I get 14:06:37 <Armada> 407: Registration Required 14:08:43 <Armada> I can create new rooms though 14:09:15 <Armada> even in Instantbird 14:17:18 <-- iamjayakumars has quit (Connection closed) 14:17:40 --> iamjayakumars has joined #instantbird 14:17:45 <Armada> aleth: looks like the other two users accidentally set the room to private 14:21:04 <clokep_work> Ah, so the server was specifically eating your message? 14:21:07 <clokep_work> That's annoying. 14:21:42 <-- iamjayakumars has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 14:21:49 <Armada> clokep_work: not really, pidgin instantly recognized that registration was required while IB silently fails 14:22:52 <aleth> Armada: I wonder how it recognizes it, the server doesn't seem to reply at all 14:23:12 <clokep_work> I wonder if we're missing an API. :-\ 14:23:18 <aleth> Seems likely :-S 14:24:17 <flo-retina> aleth: could be capability discovery 14:24:53 <aleth> flo-retina: could be! 14:25:36 <aleth> Especially since joining rooms seems to work via presence too 14:27:25 <Armada> aleth: I am able to connect normally now since we made the room public, but it makes no difference for the log, even on a succesfully connection all you see in there is the presence notification 14:27:34 <Armada> -ly 14:33:45 <Armada> however the error log did give an error 14:33:56 <Armada> <Armada> I'm getting very helpful error messages again "notify: purple_notify_message" 14:34:25 <Armada> so purple did try to notify us, unfortunately IB only displays the type as opposed to the actual message 14:40:10 <-- aleth has quit (Connection closed) 14:40:13 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 14:40:13 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 14:42:58 <instantbot> New Chat Core - XMPP bug 1087357 filed by aleth@instantbird.org. 14:42:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1087357 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, XMPP does not detect when rooms are private and cannot be joined 14:43:00 <aleth> Armada: ^^ 14:43:07 <flo-retina> ah, Pidgin 2.10.10 has been released 14:43:29 <clokep_work> Yep. 14:43:33 <Armada> aleth: thanks 14:43:36 <clokep_work> Some of the security updates are pretty bad. 14:43:46 <clokep_work> Or at least sound scary. ;) 14:44:22 <aleth> ouch 14:44:34 <aleth> Is there a new libpurple out at the same time? 14:45:38 <flo-retina> aleth: yes 14:48:33 <clokep_work> aleth: libpurple isn't released separately. 14:51:52 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 14:52:55 <flo-retina> do we actually know what the state of ib-on-comm-beta is? 14:53:19 <clokep_work> Nope! :) 14:53:38 <flo-retina> I'm assuming we would probably think about releasing off of what's currently in beta 14:53:41 <flo-retina> ie. 34 14:53:43 * aleth fixed some blockers recently 14:54:04 <aleth> so we'd want to uplift those 14:54:12 * clokep_work finds it confusing to know *when* things in chat/instantbird landed. 14:55:30 <aleth> We have to change our version numbers to match the trees, then it'll be easier;) 14:58:45 <clokep_work> Or maybe just add Instantbird 1.6 (Thunderbird xy) to some things... 14:59:15 <aleth> I don't see any reason not to just go to Instantbird 34 14:59:30 <clokep_work> I'm unsure if you're serious or not. 14:59:37 * clokep_work is annoyed at https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/15750 still 14:59:48 <aleth> I'm fairly serious. 15:00:03 <aleth> Fairly as I haven't thought hard about it ;) 15:00:26 <aleth> It would only make sense if we could actually release more regularly of course. 15:02:40 <flo-retina> aleth: we would release 34, 36, 38, ... 15:02:43 <aleth> Right. 15:02:57 <flo-retina> there's nothing seriously preventing us from releasing more frequently 15:06:36 <clokep_work> Motivation. :) 15:08:51 <flo-retina> yeah 15:08:57 <flo-retina> there are several non-serious causes 15:09:02 <flo-retina> like needing to go buy a switch 15:09:07 <flo-retina> finding space to power on more minis 15:09:11 <flo-retina> finding time to set them up 15:09:12 <flo-retina> ... 15:10:58 <aleth> making each release easier... 15:11:13 <flo-retina> automating the whole thing ;) 15:15:57 * clokep_work is pretty sure he can order Florian a router from Amazon right now. :P 15:16:04 <clokep_work> s/router/switch/ 15:16:46 <flo-retina> clokep_work: shipping it to France from amazon.com would be expensive :-P 15:16:56 <clokep_work> flo-retina: amazon.fr? 15:16:58 <clokep_work> :P 15:17:14 <flo-retina> clokep_work: the real reason why I haven't setup all that stuff yet is that I'm not excited by having all that mess in my living room 15:17:25 <flo-retina> I was hoping to finish my office "soon" and install that properly 15:18:29 <flo-retina> the switch thing isn't a really compelling excuse anyway, as there are a few ports left on my router and a few more ports left on the airport extreme thingy 15:19:27 <clokep_work> Well, regardless...should we try to figure out what's *not* in 34 and see if we need to land things on beta and try to release on 34? 15:23:07 <flo-retina> I would also like to figure out a wake-on-lan system so that buildbot can wakeup the slaves when we want to build a beta/release 15:23:55 <flo-retina> aleth: btw, I suspect we would have surprised related to the update server if we changed dramatically our version numbers 15:24:15 <flo-retina> (but that's not a reason not to do it; it's just that we need to take time to look into that too) 15:24:17 <aleth> It doesn't like two-digit integers? 15:24:30 <aleth> Or just that it's odd to go up by more than 1 15:24:46 <flo-retina> aleth: it's more that I suspect we have stuff checking for "0." vs "1." 15:25:21 --> Widdershins has joined #instantbird 15:54:23 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:04:39 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 16:09:43 --> iamjayakumars has joined #instantbird 16:32:02 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 16:41:01 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 16:55:18 --> myk has joined #instantbird 16:57:45 <clokep_work> aleth: Btw is tab complete purposefully case sensitive? 16:58:52 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes, but only if you have at least one upper case letter in what you are completing 16:59:26 <aleth> i.e. if you type something that looks case-sensitive, the completion notices 17:00:46 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 17:06:44 --> arlolra has joined #instantbird 17:11:07 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 955595 from FIXED to ---. 17:11:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955595 nor, --, 1.6, clokep, REOP, Figure out how to handle ISUPPORT info for LIST 17:15:11 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 17:28:00 <clokep_work> aleth: RGR Thanks. 17:28:49 <aleth> clokep_work: unfortunate... 17:30:21 <-- iamjayakumars has quit (Quit: ) 17:32:14 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 17:40:03 <clokep_work> aleth: Btw we'll want to pref off both the back and front endxs. 17:40:45 <aleth> clokep_work: Hmm, isn't it enough if we respond to all video calls by declining them, as in the current patch? 17:41:15 <aleth> Maybe not for TB :-/ 17:42:56 <flo-retina> aleth: we still need to hide the camera icon in the UI 17:43:11 <aleth> flo-retina: I did that part 17:43:31 <flo-retina> :) 17:51:10 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 18:02:00 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 18:02:03 --> myk has joined #instantbird 18:05:40 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 18:11:39 * mconley is now known as mconley|lunch 18:20:56 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 18:24:40 <-- Rym has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 18:31:13 --> bernard1 has joined #instantbird 18:31:22 <-- bernard1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 18:34:28 <-- bernard has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 18:35:37 * mconley|lunch is now known as mconley 18:50:36 --> Rym has joined #instantbird 19:31:32 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 19:32:01 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 19:32:02 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 19:42:51 <instantbot> New Chat Core - IRC bug 1087566 filed by aleth@instantbird.org. 19:42:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1087566 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Automatically try to get your nick back if it's still in use on connecting. r=clokep 19:44:17 <aleth> It's empty-the-mq day 19:44:34 <-- Tonnes has quit (Connection closed) 19:45:54 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 19:46:21 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:30:52 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 20:30:52 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 20:47:07 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 20:55:46 <-- sonny has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 20:56:11 <-- clokep_work has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 21:10:32 <-- Even has quit (Connection closed) 21:11:06 --> Even has joined #instantbird 21:11:07 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 21:43:23 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 22:00:19 <-- Bollebib1 has quit (Connection closed) 22:08:01 <-- Widdershins has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:14:04 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 22:23:47 <-- BillBinkley has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:24:41 --> BillBinkley has joined #instantbird 22:26:51 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:30:55 * redDragon|away is now known as redDragon 22:36:05 <-- sherief has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:40:13 * redDragon is now known as redDragon|away 22:57:35 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:57:35 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 23:15:05 <clokep> aleth: So...you gonna back that patch out? 23:15:10 <clokep> Was there anything we needed to keep in it? 23:15:30 <aleth> Let me check 23:16:16 <aleth> I guess not? 23:16:20 <aleth> Shame about all the work. 23:16:49 <clokep> Yeah. :-\ 23:17:54 <-- arlolra has quit (Client exited) 23:18:51 <aleth> At least it means we investigated the issue and don't have to worry about it... hopefully 23:20:54 <flo-retina> aleth: on mac the textbox very likely need a -moz-appearance: none if you want to get rid of the _native_ blue highlight 23:21:45 <aleth> flo-retina: I wasn't sure that was desired, so I didn't suggest it 23:22:26 <flo-retina> "that"=the red outline? 23:23:41 <aleth> "that" = getting rid of the blue native highlight 23:24:24 <aleth> Basically it would need trying it out to see what it looked like, and I was doing other things 23:24:38 <clokep> Like being sick. :) 23:26:37 <flo-retina> clokep: tss :-P 23:28:48 <EionRobb> kinda interesting that the "outline" style property doesn't control the native outline :) 23:31:31 <flo-retina> EionRobb: no CSS property controls the native styles. 23:31:51 <flo-retina> EionRobb: it's either native (ie. follow what the OS does) or CSS styled. It can't be both. 23:34:11 <EionRobb> totally makes sense, just an interesting contrast to webkit's slightly different approach, that if you change one of the 'native' styles then it can reset the whole widget to be pure-css 23:35:01 <flo-retina> EionRobb: doesn't seem related to me. We are talking about XUL here; what I said probably doesn't apply to HTML. 23:35:30 <EionRobb> ah yeah, I forget that they have the same syntax but aren't the same thing.... a lot :) 23:42:19 <clokep> aleth: Interesting patch.