#instantbird log on 08 28 2014

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00:55:33 <clokep> Anyone here?
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09:12:33 <Fallen> is anyone around that may be interested in mentoring a few students to integrate Chat with Lightning over the next 3-4 months? I was thinking of bugs like bug 723880
09:12:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723880 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Allow finding an appointment slot using IM
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11:27:28 <clokep_work> Fallen: Is that supported in any protocols?
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11:31:41 <Fallen> clokep_work: I don't think we need to do anything special protocol wise in the first iteration. I was thinking to add a possiblity to start a chat about an event in the freebusy dialog. Different actions could cause predefined text to be sent over the normal channel, e.g. drag and click to suggest a time frame and then send something like "What about m/d/y from hh:mm to hh:mm", then providing a way for the user to click if the chat partner accepts. In a
11:31:41 <Fallen> you could do things like detect the response, or if there are protocols that support OOB data then use that channel to send scheduling requests
11:32:27 <clokep_work> Interesting, that could be useful.
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11:39:44 <clokep_work> I'm usually willing to help people out with chat sort of things.
11:39:59 <clokep_work> I can't promise I'll have bundles of free time in the coming months, but it should be enough to answer questions and do some reviews.
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11:48:53 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Did you look at the bustage yet?
11:49:53 <flo-retina> no
11:51:05 <clokep_work> Fallen: I'm not entirely sure exactly how much effort you expect 'mentoring' to be. I wouldn't have time to do like GSoC level mentoring.
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11:55:55 <flo-retina> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today#m67 is cut before the end of the message. Fallen, weren't you using Instantbird?
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12:30:23 <Fallen> flo-retina: I am, actually
12:34:12 <Fallen> clokep_work: I have two other project proposals in the pipeline so I was hoping for someone from chat to mentor this and me helping out for Lightning specific things.
12:34:58 <Fallen> flo-retina: looks like a bug then. The rest of the message was " a way for the user to click if the chat partner accepts. In a later iteration", then instantbird split the message
12:35:26 <flo-retina> hmm, maybe you use a bouncer that interferes with the calculation of the max message length?
12:35:37 <Fallen> yeah, maybe. I use znc
12:35:44 <Fallen> clokep_work has a test account :)
12:36:26 <flo-retina> " later iteration" is short enough that a difference in hostname length is a plausible explanation
12:37:30 <flo-retina> are the other 2 projects also chat related?
12:38:44 <Fallen> the two other projects are on Lightning
12:39:19 <Fallen> You can of course also propose chat-only projects if you want to mentor them
12:39:48 <flo-retina> in which context is this?
12:40:07 <flo-retina> we are just out of GSoC and have plenty of code that needs review/finishing
12:40:23 <Fallen> Its just a university loaded with students, see https://courses.cs.ut.ee/2014/tvp/Main/CFP
12:40:43 <Fallen> 3rd year students, so the outcome might not be as good, but I think its worth a shot
12:40:50 <Fallen> they have about 100 students this year
12:47:20 <flo-retina> "25% of the projects are usable in production after the course is finished" they set the bar rather low for the expected success rate
12:47:41 <flo-retina> "send your proposal till 26 of August." looks like we are a bit late anyway
12:49:36 <Fallen> flo-retina: We have an extension until tomorrow
12:50:03 <Fallen> better too low than too high I guess :)
12:50:19 <flo-retina> Fallen: yeah. I'm just surprised that they announce it upfront.
12:50:45 <flo-retina> Fallen: I/we tried to mentor students from French university a few times. The results were depressingly unusable
12:51:59 <flo-retina> Fallen: the funniest example was a student who gave me his source code printed out (probably thinking that this way I wouldn't be able to try it and see that it doesn't actually work).
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12:52:43 <Fallen> haha thats....an interesting approach... :-)
12:52:57 <flo-retina> then he said that "Mozilla takes a lot of memory"
12:53:13 <Fallen> his own included, probably?
12:53:19 <flo-retina> when I ran his code (he did have it on a hidden laptop ;)), it took 4GB of memory within 10s :-D
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13:12:29 <Fallen> flo-retina: what was it supposed to do? Distributed number crunching via IM? ;-)
13:13:05 <flo-retina> I have a hard time remembering :-S
13:13:19 <flo-retina> I think it was trying to do a fullscreen representation of "something"
13:13:42 <flo-retina> maybe the user's contacts based on their status changes, and how many messages were exchanged with them?
13:13:53 <flo-retina> it was more a research project than a compelling feature
13:14:14 <flo-retina> the crazy memory usage was caused by an 'interesting' way to use SQLite
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13:21:37 <aleth> flo-retina: The bustage is probably that the build is now in objdir/dist rather than objdir/mozilla/dist
13:22:02 <aleth> nhnt11: FYI "mach build im" works again now
13:22:54 <Fallen> flo-retina: ah nice :-)
13:30:51 <flo-retina> so, Mac universal builds are busted, Windows needs a buildbot config change, Linux also looks like it needs a buildbot config change
13:31:24 <aleth> Are we actually busted on Mac or is it just part of the same story?
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13:32:16 <flo-retina> aleth: the 'compile' step fails on mac
13:32:26 <flo-retina> "/Users/buildbot/buildslave/macosx/build/obj-instantbird/i386/config/autoconf.mk:3: /config/emptyvars.mk: No such file or directory"
13:33:15 <aleth> What's emptyvars.mk?
13:33:18 <flo-retina> aleth: could be that http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/build/macosx/universal/flight.mk#12 needs a change
13:33:35 <aleth> that looks likely
13:34:04 <flo-retina> never seen emptyvars.mk before. mxr'ing shows that file exists only in m-c, not c-c
13:34:13 <aleth> I suppose TB hasn't run into this yet because it's too busted?
13:34:35 <aleth> http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/build/macosx/universal/flight.mk#23 looks wrong too
13:34:50 <flo-retina> TB is indeed very well busted
13:34:51 <aleth> I suspect jcranmer overlooked this file.
13:37:48 <flo-retina> looking at https://thunderbird.etherpad.mozilla.org/status-meeting-minute-taking I see "** Bug 1059551 (Mozilla-central broke us again) has patch, needs argument with reviewer" that's a sad status update :-/.
13:37:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1059551 nor, --, Thunderbird 34.0, Pidgeot18, REOP, Bayesian spam filter won't compile since bug 1057912
13:39:33 <flo-retina> aleth: so yes, Mac TB builds don't even compile the .cpp files correctly, so getting to unifying the universal build is unlikely
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16:04:14 <aleth> flo-retina: Do you remember which bug added the class reporting to about:memory?
16:04:29 <flo-retina> I can find it for you in my bugmail
16:04:36 <aleth> I wonder how hard it would be to make it more fine-grained
16:05:32 <aleth> and whether all those "functions" are really just objects generated via a function constructor
16:09:59 <flo-retina> maybe we should ask in #memshrink what "Function" means
16:09:59 <aleth> I was going to ask the patch author
16:09:59 <aleth> but sure!
16:09:59 <flo-retina> aleth: bug 1023719
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16:10:11 <flo-retina> I'm afraid he's asleep at this time
16:10:41 <aleth> Certainly not online...
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16:11:39 <flo-retina> in the scrollback he was talking at 1am (our time)
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18:41:07 <sherief> flo-retina: How can I test my translations on a live instantbird installation?
18:42:23 <flo-retina> so, in theory whenever you push something to your locale repository, a language pack is automatically generated, and a link emailed to you.
18:42:40 <flo-retina> for some reason, it seems the builder doing these language packs is offline (as http://buildbot-l10n.instantbird.org/waterfall shows)
18:43:02 <flo-retina> is the idea of compiling Instantbird yourself scary or acceptable?
18:44:00 <sherief> acceptable if my machine can handle it
18:46:08 <flo-retina> hmm, actually it seems you don't really need to compile, https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Creating_a_new_localization_%28Mercurial%29#Have_fun has steps to create a language pack that should be usable on a nightly
18:46:35 <flo-retina> that page seems old though, I'm afraid some of that might no longer work :-/
18:47:40 <sherief> hmm, can you just take any of my commits and send me a screen shot of any string?
18:47:49 <flo-retina> no
18:47:58 <sherief> I am afraid that I've used something stupid with vim
18:48:03 <flo-retina> that would be way too slow
18:48:13 <flo-retina> something stupid with vim?
18:48:18 <sherief> i did a :set rl and I am not sure if the string will display right
18:48:40 <flo-retina> you mean you aren't sure if the .properties file will be parsable?
18:49:10 <sherief> I mean the string's order might be reversed. I am not sure, that's why I need to test.
18:49:27 <sherief> and no it will parse just right
18:49:31 <flo-retina> https://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/ar/file/af5a629c1204/chat/commands.properties looks like a normal file to me
18:51:58 <sherief> hmm ok. Do you have any idea when will the builder coming back?
19:02:47 <flo-retina> no. But I emailed the guy who owns the machine where it's running, to ask him why it's offline
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19:18:49 <arlolra> sherief: you may consider pinging boklm to see if he's setup a build machine
19:28:21 <flo-retina> arlolra: we do have a bunch of build machines ;)
19:32:33 <arlolra> but it seems to be offline
19:35:00 <flo-retina> the l10n one
19:35:18 <flo-retina> nobody noticed because there's not much l10n activity when we aren't near a release
19:35:31 <sherief> lets just wait for the l10n person to answer :)
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21:43:30 <clokep> flo-retina: Do we not show the character counter at all on Twitter on Thunderbird?
21:43:42 * clokep doesn't see it in the UI
21:43:45 <flo-retina> I don't think we have any place to show it
21:44:08 <flo-retina> it's possible we didn't look very hard for such a place though
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21:45:48 <clokep> OK.
21:46:02 <clokep> Just saw those bugs pop up and I was a bit confused about whether code was broken, not implemented, not ported, etc.
21:46:03 <clokep> :)
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21:53:26 <flo-retina> I think the bug reporter was just using an old version
21:54:14 <flo-retina> although when I tested on Instantbird yesterday, I did notice a few strange behaviors of the twitter char counter... but nothing I could find reliable STRs for :(
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21:56:01 <qheaden> Hello everyone.
21:56:09 <qheaden> Is ftp.mozilla.org super slow for anyone?
21:56:35 <qheaden> I'm trying to download the latest MozillaBuild installer, and the I am literally getting an ETA of 27 hours.
21:56:36 <flo-retina> I suspect it is for you :-P
21:56:45 <qheaden> :P
21:56:52 <flo-retina> qheaden: give me the url and I can tell you how long it takes to download from here
21:56:58 <qheaden> flo-retina: http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fftp.mozilla.org%2Fpub%2Fmozilla.org%2Fmozilla%2Flibraries%2Fwin32%2FMozillaBuildSetup-Latest.exe&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEwzTPzX3veUVXlHs2O1lSi8v4cRg
21:57:10 <qheaden> wait, let me give you the straight url
21:57:28 <qheaden> flo-retina: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/libraries/win32/MozillaBuildSetup-Latest.exe 
21:58:14 <flo-retina> qheaden: I download at the full speed of my connection, ~2.4MB/s
21:58:24 <qheaden> Strange.
21:58:33 <flo-retina> ETA was less than 30s when I cancelled the download
21:58:47 <qheaden> Everything else works fine on my connection except that download.
21:58:51 <qheaden> Let me try on my server.
21:59:38 <qheaden> The downloaded completed in 30 seconds.
21:59:53 * qheaden smells a bad router between his ISP and ftp.mozilla.org
22:01:05 <EionRobb> about 2min to download here
22:02:07 <flo-retina> EionRobb: are you preparing to build Instantbird? :)
22:02:13 <qheaden> Well, I just downloaded it on my company-hosted server, and downloaded it from there. It is really strange that my connection there is slow.
22:02:25 <EionRobb> flo-retina: what's instantbird? ;)
22:02:40 * flo-retina wonders what's EionRobb ;)
22:02:44 <EionRobb> touché 
22:02:53 <flo-retina> :)
22:04:20 * qheaden wishes his builds were faster in a VM so that he wouldn't have to mess with dual booting Linux.
22:04:42 <qheaden> I'm building Ib/Thunderbird on Windows since I have been using Windows lately for a project at work.
22:04:58 <flo-retina> qheaden: Windows build times have improved a lot
22:05:09 <qheaden> That's good to know.
22:05:10 <flo-retina> IIRC my Thinkpad builds Firefox in 25 minutes
22:05:17 <qheaden> Awesome.
22:05:50 <flo-retina> IIRC you have a similar thinkpad. I can't remember if you have the previous or next model though.
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22:08:35 <qheaden> flo-retina: I have the W520
22:08:40 <hadi> Hi guys
22:08:48 <qheaden> Hi hadi.
22:08:58 <hadi> Someone decided to spam me by inviting me to some ... kinda rooms.. 
22:09:07 <hadi> Can i turn off the auto invite thingy in instantbird?
22:09:11 <flo-retina> qheaden: I have thinkpad <something> :-|
22:09:16 <hadi> qheaden:  hi
22:09:30 <flo-retina> I would say W540 but that's not something I really remember. Could be another number.
22:09:50 <hadi> Well, freenode is literally under attack by some weird botnet that  invites you to spammy rooms :(
22:10:12 <flo-retina> clokep: is there an about:config pref to turn off IRC invites?
22:12:27 <hadi> I asked a freenode staff, he said it must be a client  pref or something
22:13:57 <flo-retina> hadi: messenger.conversations.autoAcceptChatInvitations
22:14:27 <hadi> flo-retina:  Where should i  put this in?
22:14:55 <flo-retina> hadi: in the conversation window, type /about config
22:16:35 <hadi> flo-retina:  wow, awesome! i changed it from 1 to 0
22:16:53 <hadi> oh god, that spam was terrible
22:17:08 <flo-retina> clokep: am I reading correctly that http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/protocols/irc/ircBase.jsm#187 would still cause a conversation tab to open for the conversation? Or do we ignore conversations that start with system messages?
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22:21:49 <hadi> I'm going to submit this bug: ACtually if you  want to join a chatroom that has a pssword, if you tick the "automatically join this room" it won't save its password
22:22:17 <hadi> Maybe that is.. because it can't read the password?  so it shouldn't be a bug if so
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22:24:24 <qheaden> See you guys later.
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22:26:56 <flo-retina> hadi: if you don't mind the password being stored in plain text, you can go edit the list of auto-joined channels for that account, and add the password directly there
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22:28:54 <hadi> flo-retina:  yeah
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23:08:26 <flo-retina> if anybody feels like helping fixing the Mac nightly, I pastebined a fix at http://logs.glob.uno/?c=mozilla%23maildev#c160242
23:08:41 <flo-retina> someone needs to figure out how to get it (or something equivalent but slightly less hackish) landed
23:08:46 <flo-retina> Good night
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