#instantbird log on 04 22 2014

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00:13:36 <clokep> Mook_as: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/674840 is what I ended up with btw.
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01:08:13 <clokep> Bah! _participants is part of the base class in jsProtoHelper.
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03:27:13 <instant-buildbot> build #2119 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2119
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03:49:37 <instant-buildbot> build #1339 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1339
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09:54:37 <flo-retina> aleth: Trello isn't a bad tool for a todo list :)
09:54:57 <flo-retina> I hated the use that was made of it in my former team, but that's because 'we' used it like a bug tracker
09:55:26 <aleth> I've used Trello, I think it's not trivial to quickly leave comments and feedback there in a way which is immediately visible to the next person who looks at it
09:55:38 <aleth> You always have to open the cards "by hand" iirc
09:56:31 <aleth> I quite liked Trello fwiw but I don't think would have been a great tool for last year's gsoc for example
09:57:19 <aleth> It's great for things which naturally are structured into cards...
09:58:54 <aleth> I'm a bit puzzled by the "bug mentoring" discussion on md.planning... Surely you can't know ahead of time who is going to be frustrating to interact with, and that's all that can be said about it? ;)
09:59:44 <flo-retina> is that discussion worth reading?
10:00:07 <aleth> I don't think so. Gavin is in it though so I suppose you might be curious...
10:00:44 <flo-retina> Gavin is everywhere ;)
10:00:49 <aleth> lol
10:01:09 <flo-retina> which thread is this?
10:01:50 <aleth> mhoye makes a good point imho: "it's pretty clear when somebody is thrashing, rather than making forward progress, and the real challenge is actually making "the call", rather than knowing that you should."
10:02:10 <aleth> "Contributor pathways..." and (spinoff) "How to best engage with new contributors"
10:04:36 <aleth> I guess the discussion is worth reading if you're thinking of contributing to it from your own experience :) 
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10:13:22 <flo-retina> aleth: I'm thinking of blogging mentoring advice from my own experience for GSoC mentors
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11:49:16 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Good catch. :)
11:49:20 <clokep_work> I do need to add this in there.
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12:23:23 <flo-retina> :)
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14:04:33 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Btw the XMPP topic thing? Yeah...soo devel@conference.pidgin.im doesn't send a separate stanza with only a subject in it. :(
14:05:06 <flo-retina> :(
14:05:16 <flo-retina> what's the rest of the stanza?
14:05:50 <clokep_work> It's a body saying "foo set the subject to bar"
14:07:54 <clokep_work> qheaden: So I looking through some of the Yahoo code yesterday...and I think there's some issues where case doesn't matter. (I.e. normalization)
14:09:21 <aleth> clokep_work: or maybe bug 954960?
14:09:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954960 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, It should be possible to create a new XMPP MUC from Instantbird
14:09:40 <aleth> Posted here for instantbottery.
14:09:47 <clokep_work> Hm, maybe.
14:10:52 <aleth> Bug 954942 maybe too nonstandard
14:10:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954942 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Support MUCs in GTalk
14:13:04 <clokep_work> bug 978564? :P
14:13:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=978564 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, JS-XMPP: 'iq' ids are not checked, roster pushes are not verified
14:13:07 <aleth> Bug 955740?
14:13:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955740 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, JS-XMPP ignores alias
14:13:42 <aleth> At least it seems there is some choice available :D
14:14:04 <clokep_work> I'd prefer something to do w/ the protocol.
14:14:42 <aleth> Yes, but for Filelink it's not a drawback if he gets a look at conversation.xml.
14:14:54 <clokep_work> I suppose.
14:15:18 <aleth> Though protocol only bugs are probably nicer to start with :)
14:21:58 <clokep_work> sawrubh: Ping me when you get a chance.
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15:20:55 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Will you have a chance to look at arlo's stuff today? I Looked it over briefly it looks "reasonable" to me, although with not the best names. :)
15:21:21 <flo-retina> I expect to have time to look at at least one patch tonight
15:21:35 <flo-retina> wasn't sure if I wanted to look at arlo's patch or aleth's
15:24:31 <clokep_work> OK. :)
15:25:21 <clokep_work> bug 955000?
15:25:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955000 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Add someone as a buddy directly from an open conversation
15:26:36 <clokep_work> Lots of changes in there.
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15:35:30 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I suspect the patch looks large but the changes are mostly straight forward
15:39:49 <Vigilante> Is it worth installing or trying nightlies? Not sure what the best way to use this proggy is
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15:41:00 <clokep_work> Vigilante: We try to keep it pretty stable, but general wisdom is to use releases unless there's some feature you want from the nightlies or want to help us out by filing bugs!
15:43:33 <Vigilante> so far the system seems pretty stable, haven't seen any bugs, but always thinking up new features
15:43:59 <Vigilante> Is there documentation on how I can put together my own message theme?
15:46:12 <clokep_work> Probably some, let me check.
15:46:44 <clokep_work> Vigilante: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Message_Styles_reference Feel free to ask in here if oyu have questions, although I personally don't know much about message themes.
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15:48:56 <clokep_work> Vigilante: There are some up on addons.instantbird.org too, is there something in particular you don't like about the built in ones?
15:49:02 * clokep_work is just curious.
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15:51:54 <Vigilante> The first thing I wanted to get away from in built-in was all the status messages. They are constantly appearing with facebook users, three status messages to every text back and forth
15:52:27 <Vigilante> The other thing is I like a somewhat clean and minimal style, the bubbles thing doesn't do it for me, pages was a bit much and doesn't allow both users to be left-aligned, etc
15:53:29 <Vigilante> sorry not paper, the right aligned was a different theme. Paper was alright
15:54:57 <Vigilante> Currently using a theme called Minimal 2.0 found in the store and it works for me
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17:10:09 <clokep_lunch> I see.
17:10:25 <clokep_lunch> If there are specific issues you have, feel free to file bugs. Some of it is obviously design choices w/ the themes though. :)
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17:12:07 <Mic> Wasn't there a bug to handle join/leave/status messages from one place instead of leaving them to the prpls?
17:12:23 <clokep_lunch> Mic: Yes.
17:22:20 <Mic> hmm, if that comes it might be nice to have a pref to show/hide them.
17:23:06 <Mic> I couldn't find the bug (with the obvious search terms btw). Maybe we only discussed but never filed it?
17:23:10 <Mic> bbl
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17:29:00 <clokep_lunch> Mic: bug 954662
17:29:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954662 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Join/part messages should be handled by imConversations.js.
17:42:48 <flo-retina> maybe that's something to keep nhnt11 busy?
17:43:49 <flo-retina> I think these messages need to be stored in the logs without the "has left the room" localized part, because if you use the same profile with different builds of different locales, it sucks to have that in the wrong locale in the logs
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17:46:34 <clokep_lunch> Maybe.
17:46:37 <clokep_lunch> nhnt11: ^
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18:48:22 <sawrubh> clokep_work_work: hey
18:49:52 <sawrubh> sorry for the delayed response, I've just been dealing with my course stuff
18:51:06 <clokep_work_work> sawrubh: I mostly just wanted to ask you what your schedule was like for the next couple of weeks (when are classes, done, etc.)
18:51:16 <clokep_work_work> And tlak to you about doing a small project during the community bonding period.
18:51:24 <clokep_work_work> I need to run to someone else's office though.
18:52:19 <sawrubh> yeah, so my exams end on 8th May and I'll be absolutely free after that. I'm a bit bogged down before that
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19:00:25 <clokep_work_work> sawrubh: OK that's fine.
19:00:32 <clokep_work_work> We read the logs btw. ;)
19:00:36 <clokep_work_work> As I said in that email. :P
19:00:57 <clokep_work_work> I'd rather discuss things on IRC or in public emails, not private emails.
19:01:12 <sawrubh> sure
19:01:41 <sawrubh> so what is the project you have in mind?
19:02:50 <clokep_work_work> I have a conference call in a minute.
19:02:52 <clokep_work_work> Well two minutes ago.
19:03:08 <clokep_work_work> But we were thinking of having you look at some of the open XMPP bugs to get your hands wet in the backend a bit.
19:03:09 <sawrubh> heh
19:03:16 <clokep_work_work> Most likely some of the XMPP MUC bugs.
19:03:23 <sawrubh> cool!
19:04:01 <sawrubh> links?
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19:05:04 <clokep_work_work> sawrubh: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954959
19:05:07 <instantbot> Bug 954959 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Finish the implementation of basic MUC support in JS-XMPP
19:05:24 <clokep_work_work> sawrubh: Honestly I need to re-read your application and see what else we need to discuss. :)
19:06:05 * sawrubh reads the bug
19:06:18 <clokep_work_work> It doesn't say much.
19:08:03 <sawrubh> ok, done
19:11:56 <nhnt11> Hi!
19:12:05 <sawrubh> hey
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19:12:07 <clokep_work_work> sawrubh: OK. :) So...we'd like you to work on a bit of this to understand how we work, etc. Does that make sense?
19:13:11 <sawrubh> yeah, they do. I'll start taking a look at the current implementation and make my way from there
19:13:58 * nhnt11 looks at bug 954662
19:14:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954662 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Join/part messages should be handled by imConversations.js.
19:14:10 <sawrubh> clokep_work_work: I'll get back to you by tomorrow about this bug
19:14:30 <sawrubh> err..that is today. Timezones, pfff
19:15:27 * sawrubh gets out of the shock of the selection and actually works on things :P
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19:18:34 <clokep_work_work> sawrubh: Got it. And I understand you still have things going on, but we want to start getting you spun up so you're ready to work on things when the time comes!
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19:25:12 <flo-retina> clokep: is that ZNC discussion you are having in the bug worth reading?
19:25:21 * flo-retina has been skiping these messages for now
19:31:02 <clokep_work_work> flo-retina: I'll let you know when I figure out what he wants. :P
19:31:11 <flo-retina> :-D
19:31:41 <clokep_work_work> flo-retina: Most likely not. Pretty much he's complaining he has to type "username:password" as the password to connect to ZNC.
19:31:50 <clokep_work_work> And seems confused that what we call "username" is really the "nickname".
19:32:33 <clokep_work_work> flo-retina: Read the last two comments and I think that'll summarize it all.
19:33:23 <flo-retina> the part that still puzzles me in all these ZNC users for whom pebkac is how they managed to setup ZNC in the first place
19:34:23 <clokep_work_work> I agree. :-\
19:34:39 <clokep_work_work> The thing Fallen found was a legit bug. He just seems confused at what he's trying to do. :-S
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19:35:16 <flo-retina> I'm not surprised that Fallen (or developers in general) is(are) able to setup ZNC
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19:41:16 <clokep_work_work> Yeah, Idk. :-\
19:41:31 <clokep_work_work> I'd like if it "just worked", but people still need to type in their config right.
19:41:53 <flo-retina> that's why I suggested adding a ZNC prpl
19:42:04 <flo-retina> to offer a less confusing setup UI for people using it
19:43:28 <clokep_work_work> By what? Putting all of that in the username split?
19:43:38 <flo-retina> maybe
19:43:44 <flo-retina> or at least exposing the 'username' thing
19:44:55 <clokep_work_work> Yeah.
19:45:06 <clokep_work_work> At this point I'd rather just throw it in the advanced options and forget about it, I think. :-\
19:45:57 <flo-retina> ok :)
19:49:18 <clokep_work_work> Still won't help most people, most likely.
19:54:15 <clokep_work_work> I also don't feel like making the one line patch. :P
19:54:35 <flo-retina> I suspect it's a 2 lines patch ;)
19:54:39 <flo-retina> you need a localizable string
19:55:48 <clokep_work_work> Yes.
19:56:54 <nhnt11> Okay so for bug 953519, should I just create new ConversationStats objects or is there a better way of applying the prototype?
19:56:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=953519 nor, --, 0.1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, Valgrind error [@ netsoul_close]
19:57:12 <nhnt11> er, bug 963519 *
19:57:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=963519 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Stop using Object.prototype.__proto__ because of bug 948227
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20:08:45 <flo-retina> nhnt11: I don't know any other better way
20:08:58 * nhnt11 has a patch ready
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20:34:50 * flo-retina posted http://blog.queze.net/post/2014/04/22/Thoughts-about-mentoring-Summer-of-Code-students and it looks like a large blob of text on the blog :-/
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20:46:44 <nhnt11> flo-retina: What did you guys have in mind (if anything) for my community bonding period project?
20:48:00 <flo-retina> we briefly discussed that in #chatdev this afternoon, but haven't decided anything yet
20:48:12 <flo-retina> I think we wanted you to be involved in the discussion
20:48:43 <flo-retina> I think we need to push you a bit to write tests ;)
20:48:51 <nhnt11> flo-retina: The problem is that I'm going to be /extremely/ busy until my finals are over.
20:49:01 <EionRobb> as are most students
20:49:03 <flo-retina> someone mentioned that
20:49:08 <flo-retina> when are your finals?
20:49:17 <nhnt11> They're from May 5th to the 16th
20:50:01 <flo-retina> that means you have at least 2 days left before the coding period starts :-P
20:50:14 <nhnt11> Sure.
20:50:23 <EionRobb> 2 days of holiday :)
20:50:28 <flo-retina> just kidding
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20:50:49 * flo-retina wonders if EionRobb will be an Instantbird GSoC mentor next year :-P
20:50:58 <EionRobb> lol
20:51:34 <EionRobb> javascript is the debil!  c++ for life!
20:51:35 * instantbot mumbles something about c++ being evil
20:52:42 <flo-retina> EionRobb: you seem to have a love/hate relationship with instantbot ;)
20:52:47 <EionRobb> :D
20:54:54 <Mic> flo-retina: the blog posting was long but it's interesting enough to read it from start to end :) The only problem could be that people don't even start to read because it is seeming to be too long.
20:55:09 <EionRobb> paginate it? :P
20:56:29 <flo-retina> Mic: I'm emailing the link to our GSoC mentors right now
20:56:36 <flo-retina> I hope at least a third of them will read ;)
20:56:54 <flo-retina> Mic: thanks for the feedback
20:57:11 <EionRobb> can I have a link too?
20:57:23 <Mic> http://blog.queze.net/post/2014/04/22/Thoughts-about-mentoring-Summer-of-Code-students
20:57:52 <flo-retina> EionRobb: heh, you joined 2 minutes after I pasted the link here
20:58:10 <EionRobb> I tend to do that a lot
20:58:18 <flo-retina> maybe if you didn't hate our friend instantbot he could have told you :-P.
20:58:28 <EionRobb> you have quite a narrow line-height on your blog
21:00:39 <EionRobb> yeah, the narrow spacing turns it from a small blog post to a large wall of text
21:01:56 <nhnt11> Yay, a bug.
21:02:10 <nhnt11> Have conversation open with contact -> Delete contact from blist -> Errors!
21:02:57 <nhnt11> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/676499
21:03:19 <nhnt11> And if I close the tab, the tabpanel remains and can be focused using Cmd+Shift+arrow keys
21:03:53 * nhnt11 searches to see if a bug is already filed by some chance
21:05:22 <flo-retina> nhnt11: seems like a regression from aleth's recent changes
21:06:54 <nhnt11> Alright, filing a bug
21:09:25 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Conversation bug 999677 filed by nhnt11@gmail.com.
21:09:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=999677 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Errors when deleting a buddy with whom a conversation is open.
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21:19:00 <Vigilante> not sure if this is a bug, been intermittent thus far. Sometimes when I open a tab and select a person, I then type a message and send it, the message I just typed is all highlighted. In other words, all the text in the chat window is highlighted after I send the message.
21:20:07 <Mic> Vigilante: "highlighted" meaning "selected" here?
21:20:56 <Vigilante> ya selected
21:21:41 <Vigilante> it's not any time in the middle of a convo, but only when a new tab is opened and I type the first message to them.
21:21:52 <Mic> Would you help us by filing a bug for it so we remember that there might be a problem?
21:22:44 <Vigilante> I will file it if it happens again, and try to take a screen shot or something. I figured something this basic would be seen by many people, maybe I'm the only one? Not sure what it could be
21:25:53 <Mic> You don't need to wait to file it when it happens the next time by the way.
21:25:53 <Mic> You can always attach a screenshot later if you manage to take one
21:26:34 <Mic> A bug is a reminder that there's something we need to look into a few comments like the ones you had are a good start.
21:27:52 <Mic> Say that it happens only on new conversations (after opening one from the "New Conversation" tab if I understood that correctly) and never in the middle of a conversation and we can always ask questions later if some come up.
21:28:22 <Vigilante> ya, just can't seem to repeat the error now! lol, maybe it's only on first instance of the program, or first tab, or I dunno. just tried 3 new tabs with random people, didn't happen. Just thought I'd mention
21:29:25 <Mic> Yes, getting exact steps to reproduce a bug can be painful sometimes.
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22:27:57 <Vigilante> what does putting a conversation on hold actually do?
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