#instantbird log on 02 28 2014

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01:35:14 <instant-buildbot> build #506 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Failure [4failed hg_2]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/506
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01:40:21 <instant-buildbot> build #507 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Failure [4failed shell]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/507
01:43:12 <flo-retina> stupid 404 Not Found error :(
01:44:23 <flo-retina> I guess there's nothing I can do about it
01:44:27 <flo-retina> so let's see tomorrow...
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03:29:36 <instant-buildbot> build #1081 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed hg_2]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1081
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03:34:25 <mayanktg> aleth: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/611352 
03:34:35 <mayanktg> this is working. 
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07:26:44 <instantbot> cykesiopka.bmo@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 955643 from --- to FIXED.
07:26:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955643 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove OS2 support form instantbird/app/Makefile.in
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08:29:06 <nhnt11-phone> mayanktg: that paste looks right
08:30:07 <mayanktg> ok..I'll apply the patch once the purple is added to c-c.
08:30:57 <nhnt11-phone> I would probably inline it (onpopupshowing="document.getElementById('blabla').setAttribute('disabled', System.core.blabla == null);"
08:31:01 <nhnt11-phone> )
08:31:05 <nhnt11-phone> Hmm that seems too long
08:31:15 <mayanktg> nhnt11-phone: I got messed up yesterday ;(
08:31:26 <mayanktg> ok..
08:31:30 <nhnt11-phone> Whatever, wait for other people's feedback :P
08:31:33 <nhnt11-phone> How so?
08:32:21 <nhnt11-phone> mayanktg: libpurple isnt being added back to c-c
08:32:55 <nhnt11-phone> Florian has created a new repository for it which will be sync'd via the client.py script (as per my understanding)
08:32:59 <mayanktg> I don't know..just happened. I did too many typos in my code I sent for review :-/
08:33:28 <nhnt11-phone> mayanktg: thumb rule: do not edit diff files
08:34:43 <nhnt11-phone> mayanktg: I'm not sure what state your repo/patch is in, but id you're confused and can't get it to work, you /may/ want to start from scratch
08:35:07 <mayanktg> nhnt11-phone: I didn't edit the diff file
08:35:33 <mayanktg> but I think I'm unable to work on two patches simultaneously. 
08:35:41 <nhnt11-phone> (pop all patches in your queue, $hg qnew, make all your changes, $hg qref, $hg export qtip)
08:35:56 <nhnt11-phone> Which two patches?
08:35:57 <mayanktg> yes. I would better start from scratch.
08:36:30 <mayanktg> the user-icon one ..and the other to integrate webcam picture support
08:37:04 <mayanktg> ok.
08:38:01 <nhnt11-phone> Let's say you already have a patch in your queue. If you want to work on a new patch, first do a qref to save your new changes, then do a qnew. Now work on the second patch. To go back to the first patch, do qpop.
08:38:22 <mayanktg> ok..
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08:38:53 <nhnt11-phone> Does that make sense? (Remember to qref before qpop/qpush)
08:38:57 <mayanktg> The mistake I did was that I didn't do a qref before doing a qnew ..
08:39:11 <nhnt11-phone> Ah.
08:39:18 <mayanktg> so all the changes got shifted to the next patch :-/
08:40:00 <mayanktg> and whatever I tried to fix it up thereafter things got mixed up again and again :-/
08:41:58 <nhnt11-phone> mayanktg: Also, you should go ahead and do your patches in c-c
08:42:35 <mayanktg> I'll start afresh.
08:43:07 <nhnt11-phone> Cool.
08:43:36 <nhnt11-phone> mayanktg: have you used mercurial before?
08:43:50 <mayanktg> I was familiar with git. 
08:44:03 <nhnt11-phone> (If not, have you used git more than pushing to github?)
08:44:06 <nhnt11-phone> Ah
08:44:10 <mayanktg> for managing queues in git the commands are diffferent.
08:44:30 * nhnt11-phone remembers being confused with mercurial after using git a lot
08:44:40 <mayanktg> yeah
08:44:54 <nhnt11-phone> I used to use different branches for separate patches in git
08:45:03 <nhnt11-phone> That's kinda a nono in hg
08:45:06 <mayanktg> I deployed my blog, used it for my intern'p
08:45:19 <nhnt11-phone> Hg is way easier and simplified once you get used to it.
08:46:16 <mayanktg> yes. I was unable to manage queues. rest. rest most of the things are similar. though the concepts differ.
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08:47:41 <nhnt11-phone> mayanktg: this may be useful... http://hginit.com/
08:47:53 <nhnt11-phone> Bbl
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08:50:11 <mayanktg> thanks 
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10:03:43 <mayanktg> Mic: I started from scratch and did all the changes in the c-c. I hope it won't cause trouble anymore. I'll add the changes to the purpleAccount.cpp once Bug 955009 is completed.
10:03:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955009 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Ship libpurple as an add-on / allow it to be disabled in configure
10:05:57 <mayanktg> here's the diff: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/611739
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10:15:38 <aleth> flo-retina: Doesn't SSL encrypt messages? (Maybe that's what the contact list question was about?)
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10:24:31 <nhnt11> mayanktg: Trailing 's' on line 89
10:24:32 <nhnt11> :P
10:24:52 <nhnt11> aleth: How accurate is this? http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today/#m115
10:25:34 <aleth> nhnt11: It will be accurate if/when my client.py patch gets r+ ;)
10:25:41 <nhnt11> cool
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10:29:22 <aleth> hmm, I can test it now the repo exists :)
10:29:43 <nhnt11> aleth: It's still 404'ing for me :(
10:30:05 <aleth> nhnt11: What is?
10:30:27 <nhnt11> https://hg.mozilla.org/users/florian_queze.net/purple
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10:33:34 <aleth> For me as well.
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10:45:56 <aleth> mayanktg: It's much easier to read whole patches when they are on BMO ;)
10:47:06 <mayanktg> aleth: yup..will do that..I thought I'll upload there when libpurple bug was done
10:47:43 <aleth> mayanktg: Don't wait for that, as the libpurple file will live in a different repo, so it will need a separate patch anyway.
10:48:01 <mayanktg> aleth: okays! 
10:48:08 <mayanktg> nhnt11: thanks for the coreection
10:48:24 <mayanktg> *correction
10:50:33 <flo-retina> aleth: I wondered, but explaining that some protocols use SSL, some doesn't, and some sometimes do seemed too long of a reply, so I preferred assuming OTR
10:51:40 <flo-retina> aleth, nhnt11: I've configured buildbot to clone the purple repo explicitly, without relying on aleth's patch for client.py
10:52:07 <flo-retina> and I'm pissed off that after a full night, the repo is still giving 404 errors over HTTP (it works over SSH, but I don't want to put my mozilla ssh key on our build slaves ;))
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10:58:14 <aleth> flo-retina: Why does it work over SSH? (I can reproduce that but don't understand it)
10:59:12 <nhnt11> the server doesn't know what to serve yet?
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11:45:31 <aleth> flo-retina: Can you take a quick look at the client.py patch just to check you agree with the description of the repo etc before jcranmer reviews it?
11:45:45 <flo-retina> aleth: I think it's OK
11:45:55 <flo-retina> aleth: I'm just not sure we want the url of a user repo in c-c
11:46:15 <flo-retina> aleth: we may want to check if we can get a better repo url before checking in that patch
11:46:19 <aleth> I have no idea what the rules are on that.
11:46:25 <flo-retina> neither have I
11:46:36 <aleth> I was surprised at the .net in the URL
11:47:05 <flo-retina> why?
11:47:12 <flo-retina> it's my email address
11:47:21 <aleth> Oh, that explains it
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12:17:19 <Mic> Hi!
12:17:52 <Mic> mayanktg: thanks for the updated patch, I'll have a look soon :)
12:18:10 <mayanktg> Mic: sorry for the troubles :-/
12:18:38 <Mic> You had mq problems from what I've read on the logs?
12:19:20 <mayanktg> Mic: yeah, managing two patches simultaneously. nhnt11 taught the right method though :)
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12:19:39 <Mic> aleth: can I steal the review in bug 954216?
12:19:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954216 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add a context menu to the user icon to set and remove it
12:19:50 <aleth> Mic: Sure, feel free :)
12:20:06 <nhnt11> aleth: ETA to approve my cmd+shift+t addon? :P
12:20:52 <aleth> nhnt11: There is this annoying fact about AIO (among many) that it doesn't email anyone if there is an addon added to the review queue
12:20:55 <Mic> nhnt11, aleth:  I got another add-on review request via email. I could do that too while I'm at it.
12:21:06 <nhnt11> Mic: Please. :)
12:21:21 <mayanktg> does it takes this long for someone's first patch :-o
12:21:22 <nhnt11> aleth: I didn't know that
12:21:28 <nhnt11> mayanktg: It can, yes.
12:21:41 <nhnt11> Please don't feel dissuaded
12:21:54 <aleth> mayanktg: It's completely normal
12:22:02 <aleth> Not just for first patches ;)
12:22:03 <nhnt11> There is also the fact that you've joined us during repo migration :)
12:22:03 <Mic> mayanktg: it gets faster with the time as you become familiar with coding style, handling the repository, ...
12:22:29 <mayanktg> nhnt11: I have to learn about writing good comments.
12:22:39 <Mic> At least if the complexity of the patches stays the same ;)
12:22:41 <aleth> mayanktg: Just look around BMO to see the number of review cycles on some of the more complicated patches...
12:22:43 <nhnt11> Comments! :D
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12:23:04 <aleth> nhnt11 had fun with name bikeshedding too in his first gsoc patch iirc
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12:23:19 <nhnt11> mayanktg: During gsoc, I sometimes just asked on IRC for a good comment for a given piece of code.
12:23:32 <nhnt11> It's not always obvious and someone is bound to come up with something better than you ;)
12:23:54 <mayanktg> yup! :)
12:24:11 <nhnt11> mayanktg: This was my first gsoc patch: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=953867
12:24:13 <instantbot> Bug 953867 enh, --, 1.5, nhnt11, RESO FIXED, Add support for tabs with arbitrary content in the conversation window
12:24:29 <nhnt11> You'll get a feel of how many review cycles a patch can require
12:24:33 <mayanktg> Its just that I was feeling weird yesterday :P
12:24:34 <Mic> I still feel bad for making nhnt11 go through this ...
12:24:39 <aleth> nhnt11: I think you had some simpler ones before gsoc though
12:24:44 <nhnt11> (that was a big patch though, so look at it with a grain of salt...)
12:24:45 <nhnt11> aleth: Yeah
12:24:56 <mayanktg> gosh!! :D
12:24:57 <Mic> The tabbrowser bug was hard...
12:25:02 <aleth> What was that notification one? Might be a good comparison
12:25:10 <nhnt11> aleth: Which one? the /me thing?
12:25:15 <aleth> Yes, that one
12:25:30 <nhnt11> I don't think that had too many problems
12:25:33 <nhnt11> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955278
12:25:35 <instantbot> Bug 955278 min, --, 1.5, nhnt11, RESO FIXED, Message notifications do not take /me into account
12:26:22 <nhnt11> Mic: It wasn't /too/ bad
12:26:23 <aleth> The tabbrowser one was a bit of a surprise possibly considering you might not have realized it would be necessary to do when applying ;)
12:26:35 <nhnt11> Mic: At the very least, it was incredibly satisfying when it was done :D
12:26:41 <nhnt11> aleth: I had no clue, honestly :P
12:27:03 <nhnt11> I think it took the entirety of the community bonding period to finish... 
12:27:16 <Mic> I can imagine. The harder it is... :)
12:27:26 <mayanktg> Its amazing! But I guess no one was told to learn about ellipsis! ;)
12:27:39 <nhnt11> mayanktg: I'm sure I was told at some point
12:28:05 <nhnt11> Mic: After that patch, it took barely any time at all to hack together the /about thing
12:28:05 <mayanktg> Mic: I was just curious that when should I start making the proposal for the project?
12:28:50 <Mic> nhnt11: that means that you did a good job on the first patch :)
12:29:42 * nhnt11 wonders if he can somehow make BIO bugs automatically redirect to their BMO counterparts
12:31:51 <aleth> mayanktg: You might want to look for a simple bug in one of the JS protocols (XMPP, IRC) to get an idea of what the backend looks like (just an idea)
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12:32:09 <aleth> I think the user icon patch is almost ready.
12:33:06 <aleth> nhnt11: Are you blocked on anything re the debug log patch? Does it need review or something
12:33:15 <nhnt11> aleth: No.
12:33:23 <nhnt11> Just haven't looked at it since uploading that first patch
12:33:37 <aleth> Ah OK
12:33:38 <nhnt11> (I spent my Ib time on the cmd+shift+t thing...)
12:33:48 <mayanktg> aleth: ok..let me search :)
12:33:50 <nhnt11> I'll likely look at it again in the coming few days sometime (possibly after my tests though)
12:34:25 <aleth> No worries... was just wondering if I had deleted too many BMO emails ;)
12:34:34 <nhnt11> I may spend some time trying (again) to fix bug 955673 though :/
12:34:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955673 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Regression] User icon overflows its rounded border
12:34:51 <aleth> This time, it's personal! :P
12:34:51 * nhnt11 wonders if/why nobody else is bothered by that bug
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12:35:13 <aleth> I don't have a user icon set, so it doesn't bother me...
12:35:27 <aleth> After mayanktg's webcam patch lands, maybe it will change
12:35:28 <nhnt11> aleth: That applies to all buddy icons, not just yours
12:35:38 <nhnt11> It's noticeable especially in the awesometab...
12:36:07 <aleth> nhnt11: In the awesometab, it seems to work apart from when the item is selected
12:36:20 <nhnt11> aleth: Not working at all for me.
12:36:33 <mayanktg> aleth: hehe. I'm working on it :P 
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12:39:56 <aleth> nhnt11: Here's another bug like that: http://i.imgur.com/04r0sUC.png
12:40:46 <aleth> It looks even worse if you start typing.
12:40:55 <nhnt11> That's really odd
12:41:13 <nhnt11> http://puu.sh/7dvgw.png
12:41:24 <nhnt11> That's how it looks for me
12:41:33 <aleth> Maybe you got it right for retina screens only ;)
12:41:43 <nhnt11> aleth: It looks fine on my monitor as well
12:41:54 <nhnt11> (though now I'll have to check once the power comes back)
12:41:55 <aleth> Strange.
12:42:05 <aleth> (Screenshot is with 1.5 release version)
12:42:07 * nhnt11 is sure he would've noticed
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12:47:00 <Mic> mayanktg: the patch applied and it workes fine after compiling. Most likely only nits left to do :)
12:47:33 <Mic> *works
12:47:42 <mayanktg> Mic: :) ok..tell me about the nits in the review. I'll do the changes
12:48:09 <Mic> Yes, but I need to have lunch first now ;) bbl
12:48:25 <mayanktg> yup! bye bye :)
12:48:31 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Other bug 978057 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
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14:26:42 <Mic> nhnt11: is "Reopen Tab" package the one you wanted to upload? It looks like there's mixed restartless and classic extension code in there?
14:27:08 <Mic> Including duplicated files (chrome.manifest..)
14:27:38 <nhnt11> :S
14:28:23 <nhnt11> Mic: Oh no :(
14:28:33 <nhnt11> Bug in my package script
14:28:40 <Mic> OK, I'll reject it then. Just upload when you're ready :)
14:28:40 <nhnt11> Oh crap
14:28:50 <nhnt11> This could possibly explain why I was having so many problems
14:28:58 * nhnt11 swears loudly
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14:36:43 <nhnt11> Mic: I've updated it
14:36:45 <nhnt11> Should be good now
14:37:48 <nhnt11> bbl
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14:39:01 <Mic> aleth: nhnt11 is using a relative path to a script in his instantbird.xul-overlay. Do you know if that's a problem?
14:39:20 <Mic> I thought you had to give a full chrome://-url?
14:39:42 <aleth> I'm surprised it works, but if it does...
14:40:08 <aleth> I don't know what's really necessary there.
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15:09:09 <flo-retina> http://blog.queze.net/post/2014/02/28/Google-Summer-of-Code-Student-who-went-on-to-become-a-Mentor/Org-Admin
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15:15:17 <mayanktg> flo-retina: :) you have a long GSoC connection! 
15:15:39 <flo-retina> mayanktg: kinda, yeah.
15:15:51 <flo-retina> I've been involved in some way or another every year since 2006.
15:16:03 <mayanktg> so you would be joining Firefox team tomorrow? All the best!!
15:16:11 <flo-retina> Monday!
15:16:27 <mayanktg> great :D Congrats :)
15:16:31 <flo-retina> thanks
15:17:01 <mayanktg> I never knew you were a GSoCer
15:21:03 <flo-retina> https://twitter.com/M0zilla/status/439408877046865920 nice tweeet
15:22:24 <qheaden> Hello all.
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15:30:41 <flo-retina> is aleth's screenshot in bug 978057 really in the tiff format?
15:30:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=978057 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Text overlaps search icon in awesometab filterbar
15:31:28 <aleth> yes (for some reason, that's what Grab saves as)
15:34:16 <flo-retina> Grab?
15:34:58 <aleth> The built-in OSX screenshot tool.
15:35:05 <flo-retina> it does PNG by default
15:35:46 <flo-retina> aleth: are you not using Command+shift+4 ?
15:35:58 <flo-retina> (shift may be only because I have a French keyboard)
15:36:01 <aleth> No, I grabbed a selection.
15:36:31 <flo-retina> what I just said is to screenshot a selected area of the screen
15:36:33 <aleth> flo-retina: Thanks, that's much easier!
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15:37:00 <flo-retina> Command+shift+4 and then <space> lets you grab a window
15:37:33 <aleth> Strange that that saves as PNG, but Grab saves tiffs.
15:40:00 <flo-retina> looks like https://hg.mozilla.org/users/florian_queze.net/purple is now visible
15:40:08 * flo-retina pokes the buildbot slaves again
15:40:24 <aleth> The https version was working fine for me this morning - just http had trouble.
15:41:00 <flo-retina> aleth: both were random for me yesterday (working like once out of 10 attempts). This morning I couldn't get either to work. SSH was fine.
15:48:05 <flo-retina> pfff, why is buildbot cloning mozilla-central from scratch again :(
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15:50:46 <flo-retina> Even's connection does that successfully in 517s. I'm jealous
15:51:00 <aleth> That's fast!
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15:53:31 <flo-retina> http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/498/steps/compile/logs/stdio any idea?
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15:54:16 <aleth> Wrong python version?
15:54:30 <flo-retina> there's   PYTHON=python2.7 in the environment
15:54:32 <flo-retina> is that not correct?
15:54:48 <aleth> It should be...
15:55:12 <flo-retina> hmm
15:55:17 <aleth> Do you need to specifiy it at all?
15:55:20 <flo-retina> I'm using ./mozilla/mach
15:55:36 <flo-retina> and that uses /usr/bin/env python
15:57:08 <aleth> Might be worth looking at bootstrap.py to see what it would configure?
15:57:23 <flo-retina> that's 2.4.3
15:57:48 <aleth> 2.4.3 of?
15:57:58 <flo-retina> python
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15:58:08 <flo-retina> (I meant /usr/bin/env python)
15:58:10 <aleth> Mozbuild needs 2.7
15:58:41 <aleth> I guess it might be the old buildslave distro biting us again :-S
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16:01:00 <flo-retina> aleth: always
16:01:48 <nhnt11> Mic: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today/#m393 I used that after seeing it in a tutorial...
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16:01:56 <nhnt11> Works fine
16:02:02 <nhnt11> I'll change it if you'd like
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16:02:40 <Mic> No, if that's fine then use it. I just hadn't seen that before.
16:03:07 <flo-retina> pfff looks like I messed stuff up on the slave
16:03:21 * nhnt11 wonders how to get the menu item to show up before the quit one
16:03:36 * nhnt11 googles
16:04:12 <nhnt11> Ah, insertafter should work..
16:04:51 <Mic> Yes, get a particular menuitem node and insertAfter for example.
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16:08:45 <flo-retina> nhnt11: are you trying to add a custom item to the application menu on Mac?
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16:11:12 <nhnt11> Mic: I've uploaded a new version fyi.
16:12:14 <flo-retina> these builds are failing fast!
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16:15:08 <flo-retina> stupid failures: http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/502/steps/compile/logs/stdio
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16:16:10 <aleth> Hey, it gets a little bit further every time :D
16:16:33 <flo-retina> I've also just demonstrated that I don't know how to get the content of an hg repo ;)
16:16:39 <aleth> The error is in the mozconfig
16:16:47 <flo-retina> failed a bunch of time just trying to download the stupid files in the right folders ;)
16:17:17 <flo-retina> bah, yet another stupid error
16:17:24 <flo-retina> aleth: are you reviewing that mozconfig change? ;)
16:17:38 <aleth> Sure :D
16:18:00 <flo-retina> hmm, I guess I should try building with the mac mozconfig at leaast once
16:18:35 <flo-retina> universal builds may be completely broken :-S
16:20:23 <flo-retina>  0:01.26 ImportError: No module named config_status
16:20:41 <flo-retina> btw, have I ever mentioned how much I hate the pointless duplication of our default mozconfigs?
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16:25:10 <Mic> nhnt11: approved :)
16:25:18 <nhnt11> Mic: Thanks!
16:25:30 <Mic> You know that I need to fork that now?
16:25:32 <Mic> ;)
16:25:49 <nhnt11> :P
16:26:11 <nhnt11> Mic: The description says "Adds ability to reopen a closed /conversation/ using blabla"
16:26:14 <nhnt11> That should be enough?
16:26:20 <Mic> Yes, ofcourse.
16:26:24 <nhnt11> I'll change the summary too...
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16:30:07 <flo-retina> aleth: alright, configure passes locally after changing the application
16:30:12 <flo-retina> I'll decide that's enough to commit the fix
16:30:29 <aleth> Yes great, r=me if you like
16:30:45 <flo-retina> sure, will be your fault next time buildbot fails :-P
16:30:51 <flo-retina> (ie in 2 minutes :-))
16:31:00 <Mic> nhnt11: I think I might to reopen more than only the last tab sometimes...
16:31:01 <aleth> Only if it fails because of enable-application=imm ;)
16:31:07 <Mic> *might want to
16:31:21 <flo-retina> bleah, the build failed
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16:31:38 <flo-retina>  1:08.91 mozbuild.base.ObjdirMismatchException: Objdir mismatch: /Users/florian/buildhg/obj-instantbird/i386/mozilla != /Users/florian/buildhg/comm-central/obj-instantbird
16:31:56 <flo-retina> ah, obdir relative paths :(
16:32:30 <aleth> So now you have to commit to c-c the absolute paths for the buildbot :(
16:32:41 <nhnt11> Mic: I think it'll be easy to make it work infinitely
16:33:00 <nhnt11> (Instead of storing lastConvName/Acc, push/pop them into/from a stack)
16:33:15 <nhnt11> Shouldn't take too much memory either... but we could limit it to say 1000 undos ;)
16:33:36 <Mic> I was thinking about much less. I guess 10 would totally work for me :)
16:33:37 <aleth> nhnt11: Can you push them all on quit and pop them all on restart and fix that session restore bug? ;)
16:33:53 <Mic> aleth: are you using session restore?
16:33:59 <aleth> Mic: The addon? no
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16:34:19 <Mic> Ah... I thought you might be talking about a bug in my add-on.
16:34:23 <flo-retina> aleth: I'm wondering if I could remove the obj dir line from the mozconfigs, and set an environment variable on buildbot
16:34:29 <Mic> I should really spend some time on that.
16:34:30 <aleth> Mic: just the feature request
16:34:50 <aleth> flo-retina: That would be prettier I guess
16:36:28 <nhnt11> aleth: Haha
16:36:36 <nhnt11> That would be an easy way to do session restore actually
16:36:59 <nhnt11> But "proper" session restore would mean remember where windows were, how tabs were grouped, etc...
16:37:10 <nhnt11> which I'm a bit too lazy to try at the moment ;)
16:37:21 <aleth> Yeah, that would be the hard part.
16:37:31 <aleth> Maybe we should have gsoc'd it :P
16:37:43 <nhnt11> aleth: I don't think it'd take 3 months
16:37:46 <nhnt11> or even 3 weeks..
16:37:48 <aleth> True.
16:38:50 <nhnt11> Actually I'm not sure any of the listed ideas would take me twelve 40 hour weeks...
16:38:57 * nhnt11 doesn't want to underestimate infinite scroll though
16:39:08 <aleth> That's because you know your way around the codebase (hopefully)
16:39:13 <nhnt11> yeah
16:39:31 <flo-retina> nhnt11: I think for session restore we said the best way to work on it is to break it down in small parts that can land and already provide value
16:39:43 <flo-retina> eg. the first part was remembering which convs were on hold
16:40:14 <nhnt11> The next part is remember all the convs which were open I guess?
16:40:18 <aleth> Personally I would prefer to see indexed logs or file transfer to infinite scroll...
16:40:22 <flo-retina> nhnt11: "I'm not sure any of the listed ideas would take me twelve 40 hour weeks..." that's also because engineers are notoriously bad at estimating large tasks.
16:40:32 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Hahahaha
16:40:35 <nhnt11> Fair enough
16:40:41 <flo-retina> nhnt11: the work I did on Ib 0.2 took approximately 6 times the amount I estimated.
16:40:53 <aleth> flo-retina: There's a good argument that it's impossible to estimate that kind of thing.
16:40:55 <nhnt11> also because engineers are notorious for procrastinating?
16:41:18 <flo-retina> nhnt11: in part for that
16:41:27 <flo-retina> nhnt11: but also, there are lots of unknowns
16:41:42 <flo-retina> nhnt11: you usually don't know how long something will take until you are 80% done
16:41:45 <nhnt11> aleth: I'd want file transfer/infinite scroll over log indexing
16:41:51 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Right
16:42:08 <aleth> nhnt11: If you're doing the coding, you get to decide ;)
16:42:11 <flo-retina> aleth: I think we said infinite scroll and log indexing go more or less toether
16:42:18 <flo-retina> for both you need much better logs
16:42:34 <flo-retina> and you kinda need infinite scroll to have a *good* way to display search results
16:42:48 <nhnt11> flo-retina: FYI, fwiw, I have about zero knowledge about indexing and databases and all that
16:42:56 * nhnt11 will be doing some research after his tests
16:43:05 <flo-retina> nhnt11: that's ok
16:43:05 <aleth> flo-retina: To display search results as a fake conversation, you need to do way more than to do "simple" infinite scroll.
16:43:17 <flo-retina> nhnt11: it's not a large part of the problem
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16:43:46 <flo-retina> nhnt11: well, I'm assuming we would just use sqlite's full text indexing feature, and not bother futher researching
16:43:56 <nhnt11> flo-retina: I see it as a major part of the project because I have no clue about it
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16:44:12 <flo-retina> aleth: do you think I should wait for my current local build to fail, or chekcin the mozconfig changes now? ;)
16:44:15 <nhnt11> If it's as simple as enabling an already built in feature, my opinion on that will likely change
16:44:40 <flo-retina> aleth: well, to display results, you just need to scroll to the right place
16:44:44 <aleth> flo-retina: It seems fine to check it in, after all any further problems should be unrelated
16:45:45 <aleth> flo-retina: Right.
16:45:58 <flo-retina> my ib nightly is awfully slow right now
16:46:10 <flo-retina> "wfully slow right no" is a part I typed without feedback in the textbox
16:46:29 * nhnt11 wonders why
16:46:51 <flo-retina> maybe if it didn't take 1.7GB of ram, and I didn't have 10 clang process running it would be faster ;)
16:46:53 * aleth is reminded to investigate the IRC (?) memory leak
16:46:53 * nhnt11 hopes it's not LIST again...
16:46:59 <nhnt11> Ah
16:47:11 <flo-retina> aleth: a great idea :)
16:47:13 <aleth> nah, I fixed the LIST jank.
16:47:26 <nhnt11> aleth: I know :P
16:47:28 <flo-retina> nhnt11: well, LIST leaks ;)
16:48:05 <aleth> Possibly just because it's a source of a ton of messages.
16:48:08 <aleth> But we'll see.
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16:49:08 <flo-retina> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4423484
16:49:56 <mayanktg> Mic: There are a few lines in the code where we didn't use line break if word limit exceeds slightly above 80 chars..
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16:49:58 <aleth> Hmm, that looks almost reasonable. Just some very large conversations.
16:50:28 <flo-retina> aleth: guess why we need infinite scroll? ;)
16:50:36 <aleth> Sure.
16:50:48 <flo-retina> aleth: the "13.71 MB (00.79%) ++ huge" is the LIST leak
16:50:55 <flo-retina> (line 93)
16:51:21 <aleth> flo-retina: Right.
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16:52:01 <aleth> Are you on freenode or just mozilla with that profile?
16:52:36 <mayanktg> Mic: still if I've to put it | document.getElementById("removeIconMenuItem").setAttribute("disabled",  "true"); | should I put that after "disabled", ?
16:53:11 <Mic> I'd rather move .setAttribute to a new line most likely and align that with the earlier . on the line above.
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16:53:38 <mayanktg> yokays!
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16:55:34 <Mic> mayanktg: at bad at setting good linebreaks though ;)
16:57:31 <mayanktg> hehehe: But I'm the benchmark now :D ;)
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16:58:04 <flo-retina> aleth: mozilla twice, freenode, and oftc
16:59:14 <flo-retina> aleth: the relevant part of the about:memory dump: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4423538
16:59:46 <aleth> That looks familiar.
16:59:56 <flo-retina> that looks wasteful ;)
17:00:16 <flo-retina> the build has been running for 22 minutes already
17:00:18 <aleth> No! We don't want to discard all those tasty strings!
17:00:22 <flo-retina> should failt soon!
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17:07:29 <flo-retina> ah, it failed, finally! \o/
17:07:35 <flo-retina> Took 29min32s to fail!
17:07:56 <aleth> Did it fail in a known way?
17:08:01 <flo-retina> no
17:08:26 <flo-retina> aleth: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/612144
17:08:57 <flo-retina> oh crap
17:09:06 <flo-retina> it failed because I checked in something to c-c while the build was running
17:09:09 <flo-retina> stupid failure :(
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17:14:35 <flo-retina> now it finished this way: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/612145
17:14:52 <aleth> :)
17:15:06 <flo-retina> " 0:14.75 configure: error: pulseaudio audio backend requires libpulse development package" :(
17:15:09 <aleth> Uh, wait.
17:15:52 <flo-retina> let's try Mac/Windows
17:15:55 <aleth> Why did it build for 29 minutes before and now it's failing on configure?
17:16:09 <flo-retina> the configure fail is linux's buildbot slave
17:16:18 <flo-retina> my mac universal build finished
17:16:28 <aleth> Oh, OK, different builds.
17:16:36 <flo-retina> but returned 1, I wonder if that will make buildbot unhappy
17:16:56 <instant-buildbot> build #508 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Failure [4failed shell]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/508
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17:18:51 <aleth> flo-retina: mozilla/python/mozboot/mozboot/centos.py has a list of the packages you need to install
17:18:55 <instant-buildbot> build #2050 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed shell_2]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2050
17:20:14 <flo-retina> aleth: I'm not root on the linux machine :(
17:20:26 <aleth> ah :-S
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17:24:20 <flo-retina> looks like the mac slave is messed up and I'll need to ssh into it to fix it
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17:45:06 <flo-retina> if anything who built recently on Windows could have a look at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/489/steps/compile/logs/stdio, that would be great!
17:45:10 <flo-retina> *anybody
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18:02:23 <nhnt11> aleth: http://puu.sh/7dKGi.png
18:02:30 <nhnt11> :-/
18:02:35 <nhnt11> (That's on my monitor)
18:03:08 <aleth> nhnt11: Weird.
18:03:52 <nhnt11> This is on the latest available nightly though
18:04:16 <aleth> The last nightly will be basically 1.5 Any ideas?
18:04:24 * nhnt11 doesn't know
18:05:31 <aleth> I can see your rounded-edges icon bug now. I misinterpreted what you meant - the selected one is just broken in yet another way (no rounded border at all)
18:06:05 <nhnt11> aleth: The selected ones have a border that's barely visible.
18:06:22 <aleth> But no rounded corners.
18:06:49 <nhnt11> aleth: http://puu.sh/7dKZE.png That looks like rounded corners to me? :S
18:07:08 <aleth> nhnt11: Try a contact?
18:07:40 <nhnt11> aleth: Er, are you saying it looks more like a shadow than a border?
18:07:44 <nhnt11> It's really the same bug
18:07:58 <nhnt11> Just more noticeable when selected
18:08:18 <aleth> Ah, that could be the reason.
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18:14:45 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Does your DND work with Ib 1.6a1pre? :]
18:14:49 <nhnt11> dnd addon*
18:15:00 <flo-retina> I'm not aware of any reason why it should, but I haven't tried
18:16:46 * nhnt11 wonders if there's an addon that will put conversations on hold by default rather than closing them
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18:31:41 <aleth> Probably.
18:31:48 <aleth> If there isn't, there should be!
18:31:56 <aleth> (I think there may even be a pref for that)
18:32:23 * nhnt11 couldn't find one
18:33:37 <nhnt11> messenger.conversations.alwaysClose;false Looks like the opposite of what I want
18:36:05 <Mic> omgomgomg
18:36:06 <Mic> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/tor-develops-its-own-anonymous-im-tool-to-hide-chat-from-spying-eyes/
18:36:16 <nhnt11> :D
18:36:27 <Mic> Instantbird mentioned on Ars Technica :)
18:38:04 <flo-retina> ahah. I wonder if they got that from the tweets that were retweeted a bunch
18:39:44 <flo-retina> "a task that the Mozilla and Instantbird team were already working toward" ahah
18:39:52 <flo-retina> I wonder who the Mozilla team is ;)
18:40:44 <aleth> From the links, someone's been reading tor mailing lists it seems...
18:40:49 <mayanktg> :D
18:41:09 <aleth> Instantbird is based on XULrunner?
18:41:36 * nhnt11 can't view any of the links... sigh. :-|
18:41:49 <flo-retina> aleth: that may be on some of our wiki pages
18:42:11 <flo-retina> aleth: it was true for versions 0.1 and 0.1.1
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19:27:09 <flo-retina> 404 Not Found errors again :(
19:28:43 <aleth> Anyone you can ping about that?
19:30:15 <flo-retina> maybe #it
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19:41:45 <flo-retina> #it fixed it.
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19:52:52 <flo-retina> what's going on here http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/511/steps/compile/logs/stdio :(
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20:56:40 <Mic|web> flo-retina: what's the solution here? http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today/#m311
20:57:03 <Mic|web> Redirecting to the BMO bugs with a RewriteRule (using a map?)
20:57:11 <Mic|web> *(using a map)?
20:57:48 <flo-retina> Mic|web: I initially thought we would get rid of BIO, and make all the URLs redirect (likely with a tiny php or node.js script using the map we currently have in a JSON format)
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20:58:50 <Mic|web> "initially" makes it sound like this is no longer what you think?
20:59:36 <flo-retina> Mic|web: we made a few mistakes during the import that reduced my confidence in the result
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20:59:59 <flo-retina> Mic|web: I've checked at least half a dozen times how things actually looked on BIO
21:00:22 <flo-retina> so I'm reluctant to take it down
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21:02:24 <Mic|web> OK
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21:02:45 <Mic|web> hmm, I could set up forwarding locally and edited my .hosts file? ;)
21:02:56 <Mic|web> Too bad I can't get mod_rewrite working at the moment :S
21:03:05 <flo-retina> we could also move BIO to bugzilla-archive.i.o and redirect the old URLs
21:03:40 <flo-retina> but poking at server stuff seems highly uninteresting to me until we get nightlies
21:03:57 <flo-retina> and I'm quite disappointed that our builds fail on all OSes, with a different failure on each OS ;)
21:04:04 <Mic|web> Understandable...
21:05:06 <flo-retina> any help with that mess would be appreciated
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21:17:16 <petunia> Good evening, I'm using Instantbird to chat with irc, I would like to know if there is a command to block people who disturb, thank you.
21:18:03 <Mic|web> Hi petunia!
21:18:55 <Mic|web> Does the user bug you in a channel or via private messages?
21:19:31 <petunia> private messages
21:20:16 <Mic|web> Maybe there's an add-on for that, let me check.
21:20:22 <Mic|web> I remember seeing something like that.
21:20:29 <petunia> thank you!
21:21:49 <petunia> i'm looking for something similar to the comand ignorethat is on irc 
21:22:29 <petunia> in sofware like mirk for example 
21:22:29 <Mic|web> https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/357
21:22:52 <Mic|web> I think that's doing what you want.
21:23:14 <Mic|web> clokep needs to improve on his descriptions by the way ;)
21:24:17 <petunia> ok, tank you forgive me for my english, i'm italian
21:24:52 <Mic|web> Please let me know if it works fine :)
21:28:40 <petunia> ok!
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21:29:06 <petunia> i'm setting it up
21:31:23 <Mic|web> You know how to install add-ons from there?
21:38:35 <petunia> help me please...
21:39:04 <petunia> to instal
21:39:26 <Mic|web> OK, download it from the website to your computer (e.g. right click "Save as...").
21:40:01 <petunia> ok, i already have file in my pc
21:40:10 <petunia> file .xpi
21:40:16 <Mic|web> Good.
21:40:50 <Mic|web> Open Instantbird's add-on manager, then drag the file over it and drop it there. It should ask if it should install it then.
21:41:04 <Mic|web> The add-on manager can be opened from the "Tools" menu.
21:47:52 <petunia> uf! i can't! i don't find where add new addon and i can't drop because i'm blind and i'm using screen reader and i can't use mouse
21:48:45 <Mic|web> Give me a minute, I need to look something up.
21:48:58 <petunia> ibut tried to open the addon using instantbird and firefox
21:49:03 <petunia> ok
21:53:41 <Mic|web> Unfortunately the add-on manager has an accessibility problem with the menu from which you could launch the installation.
21:54:23 <Mic|web> There's a workaround that I could guide you through.
21:55:00 <Mic|web> Which OS are you using?
21:57:14 <Mic|web> petunia: which operating system do you use?
21:57:49 <petunia> xp home
21:58:07 <Mic|web> OK, let's go through the steps then:
21:58:33 <Mic|web> Open Explorer and enter %APPDATA%" where you would enter
21:58:37 <Mic|web> Sorry.
21:58:54 <Mic|web> Open Explorer and enter %APPDATA% where you would enter a folder name normally.
21:59:26 <petunia> ok just a moment
22:03:21 <petunia> ok 
22:03:30 <petunia> here i'm
22:04:13 <Mic|web> Explorer should have opened a folder now that is called "App(lication)Data" and that contains a folder called "Instantbird". Open it.
22:04:43 <petunia> ok
22:05:25 <Mic|web> As far as I remember there should be a folder called "Profiles" in it.
22:05:38 <petunia> yes
22:05:48 <Mic|web> Open it.
22:06:14 <Mic|web> There's another folder whose name ends in ".default" most likely. That's also one you need to open.
22:06:30 <petunia> i've just opened that folder
22:06:36 <petunia> profiles
22:07:07 <Mic|web> Good, now we need to find the folder ending in "default" inside of the Profiles folder.
22:07:25 <Mic|web> When you open it, there should be a few files and folders inside.
22:08:52 <petunia> in this folder "profile", i find only this file: 40a0hn23.default
22:09:00 <Mic|web> That's the right one :)
22:09:33 <Mic|web> The name is ending in "default", the first part is random (that's why I couldn't tell you the complete name).
22:09:44 <petunia> ok, and now?
22:10:07 <Mic|web> Inside of that folder, we need to create a new one called "chrome" (without the quotation marks).
22:12:04 <Mic|web> Once you created it, go inside and create a new text file called "userChrome.txt" (we're going to rename that slightly at the end of all steps)
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22:14:00 <petunia> ok, done! folder and file
22:14:15 <Mic|web> Great, we're almost done :)
22:14:30 <Mic|web> Open the file and paste the following text:
22:14:42 <Mic|web> #header-utils-btn { -moz-user-focus: normal; }
22:15:05 <Mic|web> This single line in that specific file is all that we needed.
22:15:17 <petunia> done!
22:15:35 <Mic|web> After closing the file we need to rename it to "userChrome.css" (no quotes).
22:15:56 <Mic|web> Make sure that the file extension is changed from .txt to .css It won't work otherwise.
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22:16:29 <Mic|web> (Windows will most likely ask you if you really want to change the file extension. Confirm that)
22:16:55 <petunia> ok, done!
22:17:15 <Mic|web> What does it say as file type in the list view of explorer?
22:18:27 <petunia> I disabled details
22:18:37 <Mic|web> OK, skip that then.
22:18:45 <petunia> so i listen onli: chrome.css
22:19:24 <Mic|web> The filename is as follows (in exactly that spelling):
22:19:33 <Mic|web> userChrome.css
22:20:35 <petunia> ok ok, sorry, now it's right
22:20:46 <Mic|web> Great, good that we checked :)
22:21:02 <Mic|web> Please keep Explorer opened in case we need to return to that folder.
22:21:17 <petunia> ok
22:21:21 <Mic|web> You can now restart Instantbird to pick up that change.
22:22:19 <petunia> ok, so i say good bye... for the moment...
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22:24:41 <Mic|web> Welcome back!
22:24:43 <petunia> here i'm
22:24:48 <petunia> :)
22:25:05 <Mic|web> Next: open the add-on manager
22:25:40 <petunia> done
22:26:10 <Mic|web> Press Control+F to focus the search box and then Shift+Tab to move the focus to the menu next to it.
22:27:22 <Mic|web> There's a menu item called "Install Add-on From File". That's the one you want to use to install the add-on file that you downloaded.
22:28:40 <petunia> I listen urlfor the addons 
22:28:44 <petunia> the link
22:29:56 <Mic|web> Sorry, I don't understand?
22:30:56 <petunia> i opened addon manager in instantbird
22:31:37 <petunia> i typed ctrl+f
22:31:58 <petunia> there is a box to search new addons
22:32:25 <petunia> i typed shift+tab and i listened the link where download new addons
22:34:11 <Mic|web> Oh, there's no menu for you? :(
22:34:33 <petunia> no :(
22:35:20 <Mic|web> OK, then something on the steps before failed.
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22:35:50 <Mic|web> My first guess would be that the file wasn't renamed to "userChrome.css".
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22:36:08 <Mic|web> If that's the case then it is not your fault. Windows tries to be clever and that's getting in our way at the moment.
22:36:21 <Mic|web> Go to the folder again.
22:36:48 <Mic|web> Open the properties dialog of userChrome.css
22:37:02 <Mic|web> (either via context menu or Alt+Enter).
22:37:09 <Mic|web> Check the filename there.
22:38:57 <petunia> filename is right
22:39:16 <Mic|web> And it's not like "userChrome.css.txt" or something like that?
22:39:50 <Mic|web> You can verify by reading the file type that should be listed somewhere on this dialog.
22:41:16 <petunia> I past the name: userChrome.css
22:42:11 <Mic|web> hmm, looks good. File type should say something like "CSS-File" or "Cascading Style Sheet-File".
22:42:20 <petunia> is it right?
22:42:28 <Mic|web> It seems so.
22:42:37 <Mic|web> Let's check the content of the file again.
22:43:00 <petunia> ok, i past it too
22:43:06 <Mic|web> Please :)
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22:43:53 <petunia> #header-utils-btn { -moz-user-focus: normal; }
22:44:20 <Mic|web> That's what it should be :S
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22:44:51 <Mic|web> Could you paste the full path to the folder too?
22:46:20 <petunia> the full path? i don't understand, sorry 
22:46:45 <petunia> the folder has only this file
22:46:53 <petunia> ahah yes
22:47:37 <petunia> perhaps i understand now 
22:48:01 <Mic|web> The path is the full name of the folder.
22:48:13 <Mic|web> C:\...\instantbird\Profiles\...
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22:49:51 <petunia> ok ok, let's see if i can write it
22:50:20 <Mic|web> There's a textbox in Explorer where it is listed. You can copy it from there.
22:53:04 <instant-buildbot> build #2054 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2054
22:53:52 <petunia> no sorry, i ca'nt; when i created the folder, i pastthe path that you told me, left windows+r 
22:54:44 <Mic|web> hmm, that was clever :)
22:55:33 <Mic|web> The path should also be on the properties dialog of the file.
22:55:52 <Mic|web> I need to check that the names and the order of the folder is correct..
22:56:10 <petunia> let's see iif i can past
22:59:03 <petunia> can you translate some italian words?
22:59:50 <Mic|web> Maybe, let's try.
23:00:03 <flo-retina> I've figured out the Mac failure :). XCode needs an update
23:00:34 <Mic|web> flo-retina: :)
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23:00:53 <flo-retina> there was also an issue with the buildbot config that explains why the second failure looked different
23:00:57 <flo-retina> now the failure is consistent
23:01:28 <flo-retina> now if only I could figure out how one updates xcode with only ssh access to the machine...
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23:11:48 <petunia> here we are
23:12:00 <Mic|web> petunia: please restart Instantbird again.
23:12:28 <petunia> ok, bye for the moment, :)
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23:14:44 <petunia> ok, here i'm
23:14:55 <petunia> now i open addon manager?
23:14:59 <Mic|web> Go to the add-on manager and try to reach the menu. Hopefully it's accessible now.
23:16:10 <petunia> there is a new tool
23:16:30 <Mic|web> Sounds good! \o/ 
23:16:45 <Mic|web> Open the menu with e.g. Alt+Down Arrow
23:16:50 <petunia> in italian is: "strumenti per tutti i componenti aggiuntivi"
23:18:06 <Mic|web> There should be "Install add-on from file".
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23:21:53 <petunia> there is the new tool but I can't open it: i used space, alt+freccia giù but i can't open tool, :(
23:23:38 <Mic|web> After focusing the tool button, I can open it with Alt+Down
23:24:59 <petunia> ok ok done! i changed screen reader...
23:25:30 <petunia> thank you, thank youu and, please, forgive me!
23:25:54 <Mic|web> No problem. I still need to tell you how to use the extension, don't I? ;)
23:26:15 <Mic|web> There are new text commands to use in the input box of a conversation.
23:26:34 <Mic|web> They are called /ignore, /unignore and /ignored.
23:26:52 <Mic|web> You use the first two of them with a name to either ignore or stop ignoring someone.
23:27:11 <Mic|web> The last one prints a message to the conversation, listing all users that are currently ignored.
23:27:48 <petunia> !ok, it's clear
23:28:09 <Mic|web> Good luck and I hope it helps against this annoying user :)
23:28:30 <petunia> ok, thank you... :9
23:28:36 <petunia> :)
23:28:45 <Mic|web> Do you use Twitter, maybe? If yes, would you advertise us with a nice tweet, maybe?
23:28:45 <petunia> where are you from?
23:28:50 <Mic|web> Germany
23:28:53 <petunia> no only fb
23:28:59 <Mic|web> OK, no problem ;)
23:29:25 <petunia> have a good night!
23:29:35 <Mic|web> flo-retina: what's the screenreader that works best with Instantbird?
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23:31:06 <petunia> in my opinion, both nvda and jaws work well
23:32:22 <Mic|web> From what I've heard Instantbird is quite usable with screenreaders?
23:33:07 <petunia> nvda reads messages automatically so, when you uselots of channels it make some confusion 
23:34:06 <Mic|web> If there's problems with accessibility, please let us know.
23:34:39 <Mic|web> Or directly file bugs at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org
23:34:52 <petunia> but jaws 11, sometimes stops to read messages
23:35:35 <petunia> but perhaps there is a problem with my antivirus 
23:36:08 <Mic|web> If you give us details (at bugzilla.mozilla.org ideally) we could investigate. I can't promise we find a solution as it might be a problem somewhere else.
23:36:39 <petunia> sometimes jaws stops talking with other applications too
23:36:59 <Mic|web> petunia: the latest Instantbird version is 1.5 by the way.
23:37:14 <Mic|web> We released that shortly before Christmas. You might want to update :)
23:37:56 <Mic|web> There's a nice new tab with which you can start new conversations. Type a part of the users name, select the right one from the list and press enter.
23:38:06 <Mic|web> Much more convenient than using the contact list :)
23:38:42 <petunia> how do i check for updates in instantbird?
23:39:21 <Mic|web> Contact List -> Help menu -> Check for updates
23:45:58 <petunia> i verified; i'm using last version
23:46:26 <Mic|web> The latest version is 1.5.
23:47:17 <petunia> ok, when i ckeck for updates, it says that there aren't
23:47:30 <Mic|web> hmm
23:47:41 <Mic|web> You IRC QUIT-message said: "*** petunia quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4 -- http://www.instantbird.com)"
23:47:59 <Mic|web> That's why I think you're not running the latest version...
23:48:19 <Mic|web> Maybe it's an update problem (that I'm not going to diagnose now;)
23:49:06 <Mic|web> Good night!
23:49:26 <Mic|web> You can always get the latest version from the website at http://www.instantbird.com
23:49:41 <petunia> can i download and instal it?
23:49:59 <petunia> ok
23:50:34 <Mic|web> Ah!
23:50:44 <Mic|web> There is no italian translation of Instantbird 1.5.
23:50:53 <Mic|web> That's most likely the problem :(
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23:54:36 <petunia> version 1.5 in italian? are you sure?
23:55:49 <Mic|web> No, we don't have it in italian.
23:56:11 <petunia> :(
23:56:44 <Mic|web> Not sure how that happened. Maybe our translator was busy at this time?
23:58:10 <petunia> no problem; i'll download in english