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Any chance to see 64 bits builds for v1.5? 03:37:10 <clokep> I assume you mean for Linux? 03:37:18 <clokep> The 64-bit build was a contributed build, it's not "official". 03:37:36 <clokep> It's possible we could get one for 1.5, but I don't know of any plans for someone to do it. 03:37:53 <clokep> I think we're hoping to have official 64-bit builds for the next release. 03:38:59 <SCIF> As you can know, x86_64 was promoted as main architecture by Linus instead of x86. Hope you will do that main soon also 03:39:34 <SCIF> Ok. Second question: does v1.5 support self-signed certs for jabber servers?? 03:40:14 <clokep> SCIF: It does if you use the JavaScript XMPP code, but that doesn't support DNS SRV. 03:40:42 <clokep> I don't see your point about x64. (I also don't understand why you seem to be assuming we don't want them.) 03:42:02 <clokep> We definitely want it, but it involves some infrastructure changes that no one has done...and we just had a whole bunch of other things done w/ our infrastructure (we haven't even gotten nightly builds back yet). 03:42:11 <clokep> But yes, hopefully we'll have them soon. :) 03:46:40 <EionRobb> do you have arm builds of instantbird? 03:47:10 <SCIF> clokep: Did js xmpp added in 1.5? 03:47:17 <clokep> EionRobb: No. 03:47:23 <EionRobb> ppc builds? 03:47:23 <clokep> SCIF: No, it was added in 1.2, I think. 03:47:34 <clokep> EionRobb: Why does it matter? 03:47:39 <EionRobb> exactly :) 03:47:43 <EionRobb> x86 is good enough :P 03:48:05 <SCIF> clokep: How i can use it? 03:48:12 <clokep> I think Mozilla toolkit doesn't compile on PPC anymore actually. 03:49:03 <clokep> SCIF: On 1.5, go into about:config, search for "forcePurple", remove the XMPP/Jabber part of that string. (I forget exactly what it says.) 03:49:33 <clokep> SCIF: Some things may be unsupported in it. 03:51:10 <SCIF> Omg 03:51:22 <SCIF> I just can disable certs checking?? 03:51:33 <SCIF> purple.ssl.check_certificate 03:51:53 <SCIF> Yeah! 03:51:56 <SCIF> Sweety 03:52:03 <clokep> SCIF: That's really insecure. 03:52:22 <clokep> SCIF: You can also just import the cert. 03:52:40 <SCIF> Yeah, i know about import. I will do it soon 03:59:20 <SCIF> security.ssl.require_safe_negotiation; 03:59:20 <SCIF> security.ssl.treat_unsafe_negotiation_as_broken; 03:59:20 <SCIF> What do doing that options? 04:00:28 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 04:01:42 <clokep> I don't know. 04:01:47 <clokep> Those are standard Mozilla SSL options. 04:01:53 <clokep> Google them? :) 04:09:35 <SCIF> Yeah. it's not interesting for me. 04:12:54 * clokep goes to bed. ;) 04:13:44 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 04:21:16 <-- SCIF has quit (Ping timeout) 04:25:15 --> SCIF has joined #instantbird 04:54:26 <-- wnayes has quit (Quit: wnayes) 04:54:43 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 05:01:06 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 05:32:04 --> GeKo has joined #instantbird 05:40:58 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: Mook) 05:43:30 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 05:50:38 <instant-buildbot> build #1785 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/1785 06:01:34 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 06:04:29 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 06:10:31 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 06:10:36 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 06:31:06 --> jb has joined #instantbird 06:36:47 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 06:50:26 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:00:54 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 07:07:51 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:18:34 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Ping timeout) 07:44:07 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 07:45:23 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 07:47:30 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 07:47:33 <instant-buildbot> build #1252 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1252 07:50:22 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 08:04:23 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 08:04:39 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 08:23:20 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 08:40:44 <-- SCIF has quit (Quit: Good bye) 08:40:47 <flo-retina> SCIF: if someone reminds me at the right time (ie. when I'm close to my linux machine), I may do 1.5 64bit builds this week-end 09:00:13 --> jb has joined #instantbird 09:07:18 <-- GeKo has quit (Ping timeout) 09:10:44 --> GeKo has joined #instantbird 09:17:49 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 09:24:29 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Ping timeout) 09:25:58 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Quit: FireFly_TB) 09:26:08 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 09:28:42 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 09:48:07 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 09:55:20 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Ping timeout) 09:55:50 <-- alexis has quit (Quit: oh yeah !) 09:56:30 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 09:57:35 --> alexis has joined #instantbird 09:59:24 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Ping timeout) 10:00:44 --> BWMerlin has joined #instantbird 10:05:06 <-- Gizmokid2005 has quit (Ping timeout) 10:05:07 <-- ivan has quit (Ping timeout) 10:05:07 <-- mrphs has quit (Ping timeout) 10:05:07 <-- dewtwo has quit (Ping timeout) 10:05:07 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 10:05:18 <-- douglaswth has quit (Ping timeout) 10:05:18 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 10:07:37 <-- alexis has quit (Quit: oh yeah !) 10:08:49 --> alexis has joined #instantbird 10:10:32 --> mrphs has joined #instantbird 10:26:32 --> Gizmokid2005 has joined #instantbird 10:26:40 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 10:26:44 --> douglaswth has joined #instantbird 10:27:06 --> ivan has joined #instantbird 10:33:27 --> jb has joined #instantbird 10:40:00 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 10:40:06 --> jb has joined #instantbird 10:46:30 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 10:48:29 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Ping timeout) 10:55:17 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 11:06:33 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 11:19:59 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 11:19:59 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 11:35:19 --> dewtwo has joined #instantbird 11:41:02 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 11:45:00 --> jb has joined #instantbird 11:52:40 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 11:52:40 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 12:37:01 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 12:45:57 --> jb has joined #instantbird 12:52:13 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 13:06:06 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 13:08:01 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout) 13:08:09 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 13:08:32 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 13:11:57 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 13:11:57 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 13:13:36 <clokep_work> Hello! 13:33:22 <-- BWMerlin has quit (Quit: BWMerlin) 13:42:14 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 13:43:43 <flo-retina> clokep_work: Good morning :) 13:44:05 <clokep_work> Hello flo-retina. 13:50:03 --> mconley_ has joined #instantbird 13:50:52 <clokep_work> flo-retina: btw thanks for the review on the two line patch. ;) 13:51:13 <clokep_work> Don't be surprised if something in those patches is totally crazy / wrong. I probably just didn't understand. 13:56:21 <flo-retina> clokep_work: sorry I didn't get to review all the other patches yesterday 13:56:34 <clokep_work> flo-retina: No need to apologize, I didn't have time to look last night anyway! :) 13:57:36 <-- mconley_ has quit (Input/output error) 14:08:41 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 14:11:12 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 14:33:00 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 14:37:48 --> mconley_ has joined #instantbird 14:38:22 <-- GeKo has quit (Ping timeout) 14:42:13 --> jb has joined #instantbird 14:42:27 --> GeKo has joined #instantbird 14:49:30 <clokep_work> flo-retina: So it sounds like you wanted to nix the FileLink idea this year? I'd be OK w/ that personally... 14:50:16 <flo-retina> well, is there a mentor for it? 14:52:02 <aleth> if that's the only reason, I could mentor that 14:52:06 <clokep_work> I would maybe do it...but I'm afraid... 14:52:23 * aleth is kind of afraid too... 14:52:35 <flo-retina> what are you all afraid of? 14:52:45 <flo-retina> getting worse results than I did last year? :-P 14:52:53 <clokep_work> Defining the interfaces. 14:53:07 <flo-retina> bleah 14:54:04 <clokep_work> ;) 14:54:04 <flo-retina> we should probably do some of that ourselves before the student starts 14:54:07 <aleth> I guess the interface part of that is if anything simpler than the webrtc one would be ;) 14:54:13 <clokep_work> I agree. 14:54:37 <flo-retina> aleth: I fail to parse your last sentence 14:55:08 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I agree infinite scroll seems pretty light, did someone suggest doing that w/ indexed logs or am I mixing up conversations? 14:55:13 <aleth> Defining the interfaces around voice/video chat support seems to me to be tricker than interfaces for file transfer. 14:55:31 <flo-retina> clokep_work: nhnt11 was interested in merging these 2 14:56:11 <flo-retina> aleth: the tricky parts about ft is you need ways to indicate progress, and to grab the files after the transfer is over. Possibly to have a history of previous transfers. 14:56:17 <aleth> I am skeptical of the single window UI one, asking the student to design it has the potential to end in a lot of frustrating bikeshedding 14:56:28 <aleth> flo-retina: I agree 14:56:43 <flo-retina> aleth: the WebRTC UI is comparatively simple: you just need to grant permissions for devices. And let the things to stuff. :-P 14:57:02 <flo-retina> aleth: ok, well... maybe WebRTC sounds more simple to me than it is because I've been working around that area for a year. 14:57:19 <aleth> I could mentor infinite scroll, but don't know enough about databases to be a good mentor for indexed logs 14:57:38 * flo-retina was thinking aleth would be the best mentor for the infinite scroll thing. 14:58:02 <flo-retina> aleth: you meant "to be a good reviewer" ;) 14:58:07 <flo-retina> that's not the same thing! 15:00:37 <aleth> I would have thought the latter was almost a prerequisite for the former ;) 15:01:34 <flo-retina> I don't think Mic was necessarily the best reviewer for all the stuff nhnt11 touched last summer. That wasn't a reason to not let him mentor that project. 15:03:57 <clokep_work> aleth: Mentors need to eb available to help students find the right people to get help and offer general guidance. 15:04:03 <clokep_work> They don't need to be the one to review code before it lands. 15:04:38 <flo-retina> exactly. The role of the mentor is to help the student get started, and to help the student get unstuck asap. 15:04:51 <flo-retina> that may be done by pinging the right people on behalf of the student, etc... 15:06:12 <aleth> Sure, but you should know enough to be able to offer guidance. E.g. if asked "what database should I best use to store the indexed logs", I'd say "I'd have to research that myself"... 15:06:37 <flo-retina> except that's the student's work ;) 15:06:59 <flo-retina> you should be able to check if the student's research made sense or was done poorly. You don't have to be the one doing the research. 15:09:56 <clokep_work> aleth: And your research can be sending flo an email. ;) 15:10:18 <flo-retina> or make flo feel guilty for not replying quickly enough 15:10:24 <flo-retina> :-[ 15:13:12 * clokep_work filled out the ones he'd do. 15:13:15 <clokep_work> I'm still unsure about OTR... 15:16:57 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 15:27:36 --> jb has joined #instantbird 15:38:26 * mconley_ is now known as mconley 15:40:29 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 15:44:32 <clokep_work> aleth: For the Single Window UI I think we'd want a mock up in the application. 15:45:21 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I agree... and yet think this isn't a really good idea. 15:45:45 <flo-retina> For Summer of _Code_, we want student who are able to write code. We are not really looking for good designers. 15:50:27 <clokep_work> OK, so let's ignore that then. 15:52:45 --> jb has joined #instantbird 15:54:52 <-- nathanr has quit (Ping timeout) 15:55:52 --> nathanr has joined #instantbird 16:01:07 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout) 16:02:57 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Ping timeout) 16:17:54 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 16:27:26 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:28:15 --> iamjayakumars has joined #instantbird 16:44:59 --> unghost has joined #instantbird 16:55:58 <iamjayakumars> Hi instanbird always crashes when QUITing it 16:56:08 <iamjayakumars> i'm using MAC OS X 10.9.1 16:56:24 <iamjayakumars> instanbird nightly 16:56:44 <clokep_work> iamjayakumars: Do you submit the crash reports? 16:57:06 <clokep_work> (Typing /about crashes should bring them up...) 16:57:37 <iamjayakumars> nope 16:58:38 <iamjayakumars> clokep_work: how to get the crash report 16:58:40 <iamjayakumars> i'm new sorry 16:59:05 <clokep_work> iamjayakumars: When Instantbird crashes it pops up a dialog asking you to submit. 16:59:12 <clokep_work> Unless it doesn't on mac for some reason. flo-retina ^ 16:59:27 <iamjayakumars> clokep_work: its non-retina 16:59:47 <clokep_work> iamjayakumars: I don't understand what that has to do w/ anything? 17:00:00 <flo-retina> clokep_work: crash reporting works on mac 17:01:51 <iamjayakumars> AdapterDeviceID: 0x 166 17:01:52 <iamjayakumars> AdapterVendorID: 0x8086 17:01:52 <iamjayakumars> Add-ons: %7B972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd%7D:1.6a1pre 17:01:53 <iamjayakumars> BuildID: 20140104041441 17:01:55 <iamjayakumars> CrashTime: 1391533833 17:01:57 <iamjayakumars> EMCheckCompatibility: true 17:01:59 <iamjayakumars> InstallTime: 1389809547 17:02:01 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 17:02:01 <iamjayakumars> Notes: AdapterVendorID: 0x8086, AdapterDeviceID: 0x 166GL Layers! GL Context? GL Context+ GL Layers+ 17:02:03 <iamjayakumars> ProductID: {33cb9019-c295-46dd-be21-8c4936574bee} 17:02:05 <iamjayakumars> ProductName: Instantbird 17:02:07 <-- flo-retina has kicked iamjayakumars from #instantbird 17:02:25 --> iamjayakumars has joined #instantbird 17:02:37 <flo-retina> iamjayakumars: please use a pastebin when pasting something that is several lines long 17:02:50 <iamjayakumars> oh sorry 17:03:36 <iamjayakumars> clokep_work: flo-retina: http://pastebin.com/zJ3t84Ek 17:04:20 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 17:04:43 <flo-retina> iamjayakumars: you need to send the report 17:08:10 <iamjayakumars> i done 17:14:05 <flo-retina> now, type: /about crashes 17:14:14 <flo-retina> and give us the id of the most recent crash 17:16:48 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 17:25:43 <-- iamjayakumars has quit (Client exited) 17:27:27 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 17:32:06 <flo-retina> clokep_work: What did you mean by "16:13:12 * clokep_work filled out the ones he'd do." ? 17:32:30 <flo-retina> was this just putting your nick as a mentor in the pad, or did you mean you put the ideas on the wiki page? (I don't see any change to the page) 17:44:11 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I put my nick on the pad. 17:44:14 <clokep_work> Id idn't mess w/ the wiki yet. 17:45:42 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 17:46:02 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Client exited) 17:48:44 <clokep_work> flo-retina: So did I understand that we wouldn't want single window UI as a GSoC project? 17:52:25 <flo-retina> I think that's not really what we said. 17:52:50 <flo-retina> more that as currently described, it's not specific enough and doesn't give a student great chances of success 17:53:12 <flo-retina> so we either don't want to offer that project, or we need to work soon on clarifying what we want. 18:00:22 <-- mconley has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:00:39 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 18:06:20 <flo-retina> is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8370163&action=diff something we need for Instantbird too? 18:19:55 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 18:22:56 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I don't know. :-\ We need nightlies back. 18:26:27 <flo-retina> we do! 18:29:59 <-- Tonnes has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]) 18:32:15 <clokep_work> Well hopefully soon. :) 18:38:06 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 18:39:18 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 18:45:36 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 19:03:34 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 19:06:29 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 19:25:44 --> qheaden has joined #instantbird 19:40:54 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 19:48:39 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 19:48:39 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 20:22:49 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 20:41:12 --> kkirill has joined #instantbird 20:41:45 <kkirill> hello, all 20:43:03 <kkirill> is it possible to index instanbrid json log files with thunderbird gloda? 20:44:39 <clokep_work> kkirill: You can't use gloda with Instantbird. 20:45:08 <kkirill> it is pity :( 20:45:14 <kkirill> is it possible to search in instantbird log files from GUI? 20:46:02 <clokep_work> You can only search through a single day a time right now. 20:46:11 <clokep_work> We'd like to be able to index them and have search functionality. 20:46:14 <clokep_work> But we don't currently. 20:46:55 <kkirill> I see, today I was forced to grep json files to find necessary information 20:47:21 <kkirill> at least log files are not in binary format :) 20:52:47 --> jb has joined #instantbird 20:54:43 <-- unghost has quit (Quit: Ð£Ñ Ð¾Ð¶Ñ Ñ Ð¾Ñ Ð²Ð°Ñ (xchat 2.4.5 или ÑÑаÑÑе)) 21:01:45 <clokep_work> kkirill: That's what I usually do. 21:02:40 <-- jb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:02:43 --> jb has joined #instantbird 21:03:42 <kkirill> lol, very user friendly :) 21:03:52 <clokep_work> I did say we'd like to fix it. ;) 21:04:46 <kkirill> a friend of mine laughed at me, when he saw how I was browsing log :) 21:10:24 <flo-retina> yeah, we really want to fix it! :) 21:11:50 <-- qheaden has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:29:19 <-- kkirill has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:34:40 <-- clokep_work has quit (Ping timeout) 21:53:39 <-- deOmega has quit (Quit: So easy...but yet complicated.) 22:00:47 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 22:22:55 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:22:55 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 22:30:08 <flo-retina> clokep: I'm looking at your build system patches 22:30:29 <clokep> flo-retina: Cool. :) 22:32:20 <clokep> flo-retina: Let me know if you have questions although I'm gonna be wandering around my apartment for a bit (although I can' go very far...) 22:50:18 <flo-retina> clokep: the changes in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=splinter.html&bug=955009&attachment=8369234 are non-obvious. How is the case that was returning |return -1;| handled after the patch? 22:53:22 <clokep> flo-retina: My understand was that that case isn't necessary anymore. 22:55:45 <flo-retina> without looking at the whole file, my understanding is that we were relying on this specific case 22:56:06 <flo-retina> I haven't +'ed or -'ed that attachment, I'll need to look more into it 23:00:01 <clokep> Hmm...OK. 23:00:08 <clokep> That was the change I was unsure about, I think the other changes are OK. 23:00:52 <flo-retina> well, you have comments for the other changes 23:01:09 <flo-retina> prpl.py is the only file with 'real' issues 23:01:42 <clokep> OK. 23:11:48 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Client exited) 23:15:58 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 23:16:54 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 23:16:54 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 23:23:34 <clokep> flo-retina: Sorry for some of the commented out statements, it was difficult to keep track of things while merging all my patches and I wanted to get them on the bug instead of in my queue. :) 23:44:49 <clokep> flo-retina: Thanks for the reviews. 23:54:31 --> SCIF has joined #instantbird 23:55:24 <flo-retina> clokep: you are welcome :) 23:55:35 <clokep> flo-retina: I thanked you by putting up all new patches. ;) 23:55:46 <flo-retina> I saw that 23:56:04 <clokep> Most of the changes were trivial. 23:57:01 <clokep> flo-retina: So do I just have all the rules in prpl.py reverse it seems? 23:57:18 <flo-retina> not all. Most. 23:57:38 <clokep> I'll take another look at it then. 23:57:51 <clokep> Reading the filtering stuff in Makefiles is always confusing for eme. :(