#instantbird log on 12 21 2013

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00:32:45 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 3126 on bug 2259.
00:32:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2259 nor, --, ---, qheaden, ASSI, Shutdown error: this._keepAliveTimer is undefined
00:33:10 <aleth-mac> Hi :)
00:33:37 <aleth-mac> Yay, 1.5 is out :)
00:35:16 <aleth-mac> "Instantbird will search the channel topics in addition to channel names so you can quickly find new channels to join!" is actually not true. (bug 2146)
00:35:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2146 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Awesometab should have smarter filtering
00:35:42 <aleth-mac> Someone with the rights to modify posted posts should change that line...
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03:10:15 <instant-buildbot> build #1055 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed shell]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1055
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04:43:32 <instant-buildbot> build #1206 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1206
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05:47:13 <instant-buildbot> build #1430 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed shell]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/1430
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05:53:44 <clokep> aleth: You couldn't have appeared before I posted that? :P
05:53:51 <clokep> I'll change it tomorrowthough.
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07:54:27 <hadi> wo nice! new version!
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12:00:30 <goofy> hi folks: mirroring last release for the French http://blog.mozfr.org/post/2013/12/Instantbird-maintenant-en-version-1-5
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12:07:49 <flo-retina> goofy: merci ! :)
12:08:41 <goofy> chez moi la màj ne s'est pas faite en automatique, c'est trop tôt ?
12:09:00 <flo-retina> mises à jour auto pas encore activées :)
12:09:04 <flo-retina> faut que je regarde ça ce matin
12:09:10 <flo-retina> enfin, "matin" :-]
12:10:06 <goofy> ok
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12:17:25 <flo-retina> what buildbot has done this night seems very unfortunate :(
12:18:25 <flo-retina> it has uploaded again the latest Windows RC as being a nightly, and may have auto-updated Windows Nightly users to the 1.5 release :(
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12:20:42 <flo-retina> and it's all my fault
12:21:08 <flo-retina> I typed "reconfig" instead of "restart" after undoing the changes we made to have the slaves do only the "distribute" step :-/
12:24:39 <flo-retina> (I've rm'ed the "nightly" folder containing RCs, so we aren't doing broken updates any more)
12:24:59 <flo-retina> I still need to cleanup the update database though
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13:12:57 <instant-buildbot> build #1056 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1056
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14:12:59 <Mic2> Hi
14:14:09 <Mic2> "Mozilla will not build if some of the tools are installed at a path that contains spaces or other breaking characters..." :(
14:14:43 <Mic2> That means I really have to install mozilla-build into a crappy path like C:\mozilla-build :(
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14:45:13 <clokep> Mic: Is that really a problem? It's pretty common to have to install stuff like htat.
14:45:27 <clokep> (Mozilla-build, apache, python, perl, php, etc. all want to be like htat)
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15:24:39 <instantbot> New Core - XMPP bug 2288 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
15:24:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2288 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, JS-XMPP ignores alias
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16:02:16 <hadi> new version is great
16:02:45 <clokep> Glad you're enjoying it. :)
16:03:27 <clokep> flo-retina: http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/latest-trunk/ seems broken / empty?
16:03:58 <flo-retina> clokep: could be worse :)
16:04:05 <clokep> Just saying!
16:04:24 <flo-retina> clokep: in case you haven't followed from the log, I messed up something with buildbot, and for a few hours I suspect we auto-updated Windows Nightly users to the 1.5 release
16:04:47 <clokep> That's OK.
16:04:49 <flo-retina> to stop that immediately I just rm -r'ed the folder of the latest Windows nightly
16:04:55 <clokep> They'll figure out how to get back to the nightly if they want.
16:05:25 <flo-retina> now I need to see how I can remove the traces of that mistake in the update database
16:05:30 <clokep> :-/
16:05:33 <clokep> rm -rf? :P
16:05:39 <flo-retina> and enable 1.5 auto updates at the same occasion
16:05:46 <flo-retina> clokep: that would kill all updates
16:05:50 <clokep> I'm teasing. :)
16:05:53 <flo-retina> clokep: but that will be a solution for the update cache ;)
16:06:51 <flo-retina> clokep: are you taking care of emailing people to get temp passwords?
16:07:54 <clokep> flo-retina: Didn't know I was supposed to do that. :)
16:08:02 <clokep> I can though. Did we decide everyone with editbugs?
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16:15:55 <clokep> flo-retina: ^ :)
16:16:41 <flo-retina> clokep: we haven't decided
16:17:27 <flo-retina> clokep: we have a set of people we are _sure_ we care about
16:19:15 <clokep> Where is that list? I can at least email those people.
16:21:20 <clokep> you, me, aleth, Mic, wnayes, qheaden, nhnt11, Even .... anyone else in here who shouts that they care?
16:28:24 <clokep> flo-retina: OK, I've written the email but don't know 1. who I'm sending it to and 2. whether I'm asking for cookies or passwords. :)
16:29:24 <flo-retina> clokep: ask for *temporary* passwords. Say that if they have questions / aren't comfortable giving a password they are welcome to come discuss with us here.
16:29:34 <flo-retina> clokep: we may also suggest Mook.
16:29:56 <clokep> flo-retina: So should I only email the people in that list or everyone on editbugs? :)
16:30:08 <flo-retina> clokep: I think we said we would also just email the public mailing list, and handle credentials from whoever sends them to us
16:30:10 <aleth-mac> Well, the password is temporary until you change it afterwards ;)
16:30:54 <flo-retina> clokep: who should they send the password to?
16:30:59 <flo-retina> just me? you+me? team@ib?
16:31:24 <flo-retina> I think I'm the only one who _really_ needs them.
16:31:32 <clokep> flo-retina: You, or you+me.
16:31:48 <flo-retina> But if we go for the "uncheck the email pref by logging into the account by hand", splitting that work across a few people would be helpful
16:31:57 <flo-retina> or we can suggest that people just do that themselves ;)
16:32:21 <flo-retina> but that should be done just before the final import, so people need to be around if they do it themselves
16:32:45 <clokep> Right. I don't think we should ask people to do that yet.
16:32:53 <clokep> They might not want to miss other bugmail over the weekend?
16:33:00 <flo-retina> yeah
16:33:23 <flo-retina> Gerv suggested offering people a query of bugs they care about minus bugs in the Ib products, and sorted by last change date
16:33:31 <flo-retina> so that they can find bugs where they may have missed some activity
16:34:31 <clokep> You mean after we do this?
16:34:44 <flo-retina> yes
16:36:09 * clokep is still confused who this is going to...
16:36:16 <clokep> And I'll write to m.s.instantbird afterward too.
16:44:51 <clokep> Does anyone want to read this before I send it?
16:45:37 <flo-retina> pastebin it quickly?
16:45:54 * flo-retina was about to go away for ~30min or so
16:47:25 <clokep> flo-retina: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/492083
16:49:20 <flo-retina> be attribute -> be attribute*d*
16:49:47 <flo-retina> clokep: seems great! :)
16:50:21 <clokep> flo-retina: OK.
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16:55:27 <unghost> Is pushing l10n changes from mercurial to website disabled? I've pushed translated release notes in http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/ru/rev/eaffe66d0b16 but on site they are still in English.
16:56:15 <clokep> unghost: I'm unsure how that works, we'll have to wait for flo-retina to get back.
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17:24:46 <clokep> Thanks wnayes.
17:29:15 <flo-retina> unghost: I think your changes appear automatically on staging.instantbird.com (use the same password as for hg), and then are updated on the www.instantbird.com production website once per hour.
17:32:13 <unghost> flo-retina, I've sent them 4 hours ago and I don't see them on staging.
17:35:22 <flo-retina> unghost: which locale is it?
17:37:00 <unghost> flo-retina, ru
17:37:43 <flo-retina> ok, I'll check what's going on in a few minutes
17:37:49 <flo-retina> was there any unusual warning when you pushed?
17:40:47 <unghost> flo-retina, yes, 2 warnings. http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3828015
17:41:19 <flo-retina> "/mercurial/instantbird/l10n/scripts/update-website-l10n.sh: Permission denied" looks like the problem
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17:43:14 <clokep> Thanks Mic.
17:43:19 <clokep> Mic2.
17:44:19 <clokep> Mic2: Really, you couldn't have done that as a reply? :P
17:44:23 <clokep> Now it's not in the thread!
17:46:25 <Mic2> I could have posted it on Twitter too, just to be sure? ;)
17:47:18 <clokep> :P
17:47:26 <clokep> Maybe you could have put it on Vine.
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18:18:10 <flo-retina> unghost: fixed! Thanks for reporting it.
18:19:39 <unghost> flo-retina, thanks
18:20:06 <flo-retina> I've force updated "staging" for the locales: ru, pt-BR, cs, sk.
18:20:18 <flo-retina> (so that it's updated there without you having to push again)
18:20:46 <flo-retina> as far as I can see, that's all the locales that have pushed a localization update for the 1.5 website
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18:29:34 <flo-retina> I don't see anything from the broken non-nightly Windows build of this morning in the update database
18:29:42 <flo-retina> maybe the system rejected them because it made no sense
18:31:16 <flo-retina> and I can't find any trace of the first Mac RC that I rm'ed
18:31:45 <flo-retina> which also makes sense, because it failed during the upload, and the registration with the update system happens after that
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18:39:01 * flo-retina hates the update database a little more each time he has to touch it
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18:44:24 <clokep> :-D
18:47:35 <flo-retina> I think I've enabled auto-updates from 1.4 to 1.5
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18:48:34 <florian> 1.4 looks awful
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18:48:57 <IRCMonkey8387> downloading a 25.9MB update
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18:51:10 <florian> uh :(
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18:51:21 <IRCMonkey9727> after restarting, all my IRC tabs are on hold
18:51:43 <IRCMonkey9727> are we saving the tabs that are visible, rather than the tabs on hold?
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18:54:34 <IRCMonkey9727> otherwise, the update was successful
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18:55:26 <aleth-mac> "1.4 looks awful" is the kind of shock that more frequent releases would help avoid...
18:56:41 <flo-retina> aleth-mac: the "looks awful" part is only about the retina-unfriendly display
18:56:46 <flo-retina> all fonts are pixelated on 1.4
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19:04:17 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 2289 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
19:04:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2289 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [regression] Joining multiple chats at once opens spurious MUC
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19:26:14 <Mic2> Thanks, aleth.
19:27:11 <Mic2> I had seen this a few days ago(?) but couldn't log into BIO at that time...
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19:32:26 * flo-retina wonders if it's possible to convince aleth to write a test for that patch :P
19:32:40 <flo-retina> (assuming the bug report will be followed by a patch)
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21:27:05 * flo-retina has "received" his new server! :)
21:27:10 <flo-retina> Installing FreeBSD 9.2 now
21:28:04 <aleth> :)
21:34:37 <aleth> flo-retina: Seems like as good a place as any to learn tests ;)
21:34:54 <flo-retina> :)
21:37:15 <flo-retina> way more tests is also something I want us to change in 2014 ;)
21:37:38 <flo-retina> once we are on comm-central, I would like to see how much effort it would be to get mochitest to run for us
21:37:48 <flo-retina> I don't want people to waste their time with mozmill
21:37:53 <flo-retina> but we _need_ UI tests
21:38:17 <aleth> It would be nice to cover more of the essential operations
21:39:15 <flo-retina> I would like to be confident that when we add a nightly to the auto-updates, it's at least able to start, connect, check for updates, etc..
21:39:48 <aleth> Yes
21:40:27 * flo-retina wonders if Mic has managed to build yet
21:42:00 <Mic2> No, I wasted some time on a Windows build setup and have moved on to install Linux and try there. Last time I tried (that was years ago though), it was really straight-forward on Ubuntu.
21:42:02 <aleth> Sounds like he is setting up dual-boot...
21:43:40 <flo-retina> Mic2: I'm not sure what "wasted some time on a Windows build setup" means. Do you mean that if you hadn't worked on that you would have already finished a linux build, or that the stuff you setup there doesn't work?
21:43:53 <flo-retina> and yes, it's usually easy on Linux
21:44:09 <flo-retina> (although Even is currently unable to build and/or to start Ib, for reasons that aren't 100% clear)
21:44:29 <Mic2> It means that I installed a wrong Visual Studio version.
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21:44:49 * flo-retina decides bug 990 will be nice one to test his scripts
21:44:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=990 nor, --, 1.1, florian, RESO FIXED, Closing a conversation window with unread messages shouldn't warn if the "hidden conversations" feat
21:44:53 <flo-retina> Mic2: which one?
21:45:25 <Mic2> VS 2013 Express
21:45:49 <Mic2> I haven't found any information about that building with this one anywhere.
21:45:54 <Mic2> -that
21:46:21 <flo-retina> I don't think any of us has ever tried it, so you may have obscure bugs
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21:46:33 <flo-retina> but I don't see any reason to be sure it won't work
21:46:54 <Mic2> It's not the thing that I should start with imo.
21:46:54 <flo-retina> err, wait: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=914596
21:47:01 <flo-retina> Mic2: agreed!
21:47:04 <Mic2> Once I know how things work I can still try it.
21:47:39 <flo-retina> sure
21:47:49 <flo-retina> I think it's also possible to have several VS on the same Windows install
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21:49:13 <Mic2> I saw a blog post not long ago about using one version to compile + the UI of VS2013 if I'm not mistaken.
21:51:35 <flo-retina> My new server is 0.4ms away from the old one.
21:52:01 <flo-retina> only 2 routers between the 2
21:52:05 <flo-retina> I think they are in the same datacenter
21:52:25 <flo-retina> (and FreeBSD is now installed)
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22:21:26 <flo-retina> " You can't add attachments with a new bug. Any attachment fields in the bug object will be ignored. Make a separate call. " :'(
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23:11:38 <Mic|web> Are these requirements/dependencies on top of the Mozilla ones? -> https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Compiling#Dependencies
23:12:40 <Mic|web> flo-retina: ^
23:13:01 <flo-retina> unlikely
23:13:12 <flo-retina> I guess it depends what you means by the "mozilla ones"
23:13:20 <flo-retina> if it's the MDN ones, then they should be enough
23:13:34 <Mic|web> Yes, I followed the MDN instructions.
23:13:37 <flo-retina> if it's the ones you get by typing "apt-get builddep firefox" then we need a few more (like mercurial)
23:14:24 <Mic|web> I wget'ed (wgot?;) a python script that automatically installed all dependencies. Very convenient...
23:14:54 <Mic|web> ( https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Linux_Prerequisites#All_Distros_-_One_Line_Bootstrap_Command )
23:16:11 <flo-retina> maybe to a first build with the default compiler
23:16:20 <flo-retina> then you should try and get clang, and compare the build times
23:16:28 <flo-retina> in my experience it's significantly faster
23:16:32 <Mic|web> OK :)
23:16:53 <flo-retina> which can be quite useful given that your machine will take more than half an hour to finish a build ;).
23:18:15 <Mic|web> Instead of doing a client.py checkout, I can download and unpack the hg bundle first to speed up things, can't I?
23:18:24 <flo-retina> yes
23:18:42 <Mic|web> Where do I unpack the bundle to again?
23:18:53 <flo-retina> but it looked like your connection was super fast, so maybe it doesn't matter
23:19:14 <flo-retina> going the client.py way takes only 8 minutes on our server with a 1Gbps connection
23:19:28 <Mic|web> I've only got 32MBit/s.
23:19:48 <flo-retina> I don't think the server feds us data at 1Gbps ;)
23:20:14 <flo-retina> you hg init in mozilla/ and then hg unbundle there
23:21:36 <Mic|web> I already started running client.py. If it doesn't finish in a reasonable amount of time, I'll kill it and try the bundle solution tomorrow.
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23:23:17 <flo-retina> if your whole connection isn't used, you can also get the bundle in parallel, and see which one finishes first :)
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23:28:59 * aleth thinks it will be interesting if Mic moves to Linux ;)
23:29:36 <flo-retina> aleth: and then I would need to move to Windows? ;)
23:30:04 <aleth> revolving OS! ;)
23:30:19 * flo-retina would have lost the game :-S
23:30:35 <aleth> Yeah, don't go there, you've been there before ;)
23:31:13 <Mic|web> aleth: I don't plan to move to Linux completely ;)
23:31:36 <aleth> For build purposes it seems convenient ;)
23:31:52 <Mic|web> checkout finished :)
23:32:02 <flo-retina> cool :)
23:32:14 * flo-retina wonders how much of the BIO script he can code tonight
23:36:40 <Mic|web> Anything I should do before building? The mozconfig file already contains the -j4 flag which should be fine for me, shouldn't it?
23:37:32 <aleth> There is a default mozconfig which worked fine for me at least
23:37:45 <aleth> It's what's used if you don't override it
23:38:07 <Mic|web> OK, let's see then :)
23:38:24 <aleth> Even -j4 was the default already ;)
23:39:31 <Mic|web> Some of the dependencies *are* needed ;)
23:39:46 <Mic|web> libavahi is Bonjour related, isn't it?
23:39:51 <flo-retina> Mic|web: 4 isn't enough
23:40:11 <flo-retina> Mic|web: yes, avahi is bonjour.
23:40:34 <flo-retina> Mic|web: the optimal j value is likely around 6 or 8 for that hardware.
23:41:10 <aleth> ...and Mic discovers he has more cores than he thought! :)
23:41:23 <flo-retina> the reason for that is that you need to have one process running per core + some spare processes ready to run to compensate the unused CPU time by processes blocked on disk I/O.
23:41:49 <flo-retina> aleth: Mic's got 4 cores.
23:44:44 <flo-retina> I don't think it's possible to mark attachments as obsolete at the same time as adding a new attachment :(
23:45:24 <aleth> The API requires more steps than the website, or the website executes more than one step for one user interaction?
23:46:38 <flo-retina> I think the former
23:50:28 <Mic|web> I've got an error now that autoconf.mk can not be found when running "make -f client.mk build" again.
23:50:36 <flo-retina> it's interesting that in bug 990 we both made comments with the exact same timestamp (comment 7 and 8)
23:50:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=990 nor, --, 1.1, florian, RESO FIXED, Closing a conversation window with unread messages shouldn't warn if the "hidden conversations" feat
23:50:57 <flo-retina> Mic|web: why "again"?
23:52:11 <Mic|web> It failed the first time and I installed the dependencies mentioned on the wiki after that.
23:52:29 <flo-retina> try rm -r'ing the obj dir
23:53:00 <aleth> -rf
23:53:12 <flo-retina> what needs forcing here?
23:53:34 <-- qlum has quit (Quit: Getting the <censored> out.)
23:53:45 <aleth> Possibly nothing, depends on what's in the objdir...
23:54:18 <flo-retina> likely not much
23:54:42 <Mic|web> That seems to help :)
23:54:51 <Mic|web> Thanks for your help!
23:55:32 * flo-retina wonders how many builds aleth has done so far
23:55:57 <aleth> Enough to have lost count? Probably around 10
23:56:21 <aleth> For js-only changes I didn't need to recompile
23:56:56 <aleth> But no builds at all in the last few days...
23:57:31 <aleth> Actually it will have been more than 10 while I was diagnosing that strange addons.xpi issue
23:57:48 <flo-retina> :)
23:57:53 <aleth> Which turned out to have nothing to do with the build at all...