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04:34:37 <instant-buildbot> build #1212 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/1212
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07:41:11 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 2251 to FIXED.
07:41:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2251 maj, --, 1.5, aleth, RESO FIXED, Accounts stuck in the "Connecting…" state
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07:41:44 * flo-retina is done reviewing the 1.5 list. Happy bugspam all ;)
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07:43:55 <instant-buildbot> build #1166 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1166
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07:47:49 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/0e870bcb05b7 - aleth - Bug 2251 - Accounts stuck in the "Connecting…" state, r=fqueze,clokep.
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11:29:03 <aleth> flo-retina: "Why do you want this to be null by default rather than undefined?" I guess I'm confused about the status of global variables which are just declared without an initial value. Are they properties of some 'global' object?
11:29:34 <flo-retina> I'm confused by this question.
11:29:50 <flo-retina> if you do |var foo;| anywhere, that declares "foo" and its value is undefined.
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11:31:02 <aleth> What I'm asking is whether the global scope is secretly an object
11:31:40 <flo-retina> it is an object, but I don't see how that's a secret
11:31:41 <aleth> I'm probably just confused.
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11:32:28 <aleth> How do you refer to it?
11:32:46 <flo-retina> if you are in the global scope, with "this"
11:32:48 <clokep> this
11:32:56 <flo-retina> if you are not, https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Components.utils.getGlobalForObject
11:33:02 <flo-retina> clokep: good morning :)
11:33:03 * clokep has no idea at all what you're trying to do...
11:33:05 <aleth> OK, thanks!
11:33:14 <clokep> It seems like whatever you're trying to do that made you have this conversation is WRONG.
11:33:14 <flo-retina> clokep: he's trying to address my review comments
11:33:14 <aleth> Not trying to do anything
11:33:16 <clokep> And should be rethought.
11:33:36 <clokep> flo-retina: Good morning. :)
11:33:48 <aleth> flo-retina: Actually I'm trying to remember what I was thinking when I made that particular change ;)
11:33:53 <flo-retina> clokep: I think what made us have this conversation is lack of coffee ;)
11:34:03 <aleth> flo-retina: That too :)
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11:34:26 <aleth> Does anyone know dew and ask him to reboot or something? ;)
11:34:28 <clokep> :)
11:34:38 <clokep> aleth: I was thinking of just banning him. :(
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11:34:58 <aleth> clokep: Maybe memoserv + ban would work.
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11:37:08 <flo-retina> aleth: it's still not clear to me re bug 2210. Bug 2115 is not even in the 1.5-* list.
11:37:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2210 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Stats ids are not set consistently
11:37:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2115 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Provide a way to obtain the normalizedName of a nick
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11:38:55 <aleth> flo-retina: You can't fix bug 2210 properly without fixing bug 2115 first. Bug 2210 is "we claim to build id's using normalizedNames but actually in the code in various places we don't use the normalized name, usually because we don't have it, leading to errors when trying to get or set stats"
11:40:17 <aleth> So patching bug 2210 is pretty trivial but requires bug 2115 to be able to do it.
11:40:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2210 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Stats ids are not set consistently
11:40:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2115 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Provide a way to obtain the normalizedName of a nick
11:40:40 <flo-retina> :-S
11:41:24 <flo-retina> aleth: I've no idea of what this all means. I'm less familiar with the normalized mess than you are these days ;).
11:41:39 <aleth> I originally suggested in the bug we could hack around it by using the log directory name but I think that just introduces extra edge cases.
11:42:03 <flo-retina> I'm also confused by what requires building in there
11:42:06 <aleth> flo-retina: We need unique identifiers to refer to conversations and normalizedNames is what we use for that.
11:42:55 <clokep> flo-retina: He has to change idls.
11:43:40 <aleth> Also add a function implementing that to prplxpcom
11:43:48 <flo-retina> wouldn't anybody with a build machine, but less knowledge of this than him be able to just rebuild the .xpt file for him?
11:44:44 <aleth> Wouldn't it make more sense for someone else to grab this bug and I review it?
11:45:50 <flo-retina> if you can find someone who understands what needs to be done, sure
11:45:53 <aleth> Or to pair up on it.
11:45:53 <flo-retina> I don't.
11:45:58 <flo-retina> yeah, we could pair on it
11:46:50 <flo-retina> (I'm not even sure I really understand what problem this is trying to address. The ranking of my xmpp contacts has always been good; and they definitely use various resources)
11:47:53 <aleth> There's an issue with the libpurple XMPP. There's an issue with IRC nicks and channels which are not all lowercase. etc...
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11:48:30 <flo-retina> the parts of my new desktop computer have been delivered.
11:48:32 <aleth> Like all normalize bugs, it doesn't break "most" cases but if you are unlucky enough to be affected it is certainly noticeable.
11:48:47 <flo-retina> aleth: ah, it's libpurple xmpp but doesn't apply with gtalk?
11:49:23 <clokep> aleth: I can probably do it, but I haven't investigated any of the libpurple junk.
11:49:25 <clokep> Have you?
11:49:28 <aleth> flo-retina: Yes, I see it because I see gtalk contacts via federation.
11:49:31 <clokep> The stuff in our prpls should be easy.
11:49:40 <aleth> clokep: I agree, It's not a difficult bug.
11:50:29 <flo-retina> yeah, it looks like it's more confused than it should
11:50:32 <aleth> The libpurple part just requires something like http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/src/purpleConvChat.cpp#57
11:50:40 <aleth> (with an extra parameter)
11:50:55 <aleth> You don't have to touch libpurple itself, thankfully.
11:51:31 <flo-retina> so you even know what we need to type?
11:51:36 <aleth> The only question about it is whether we should rewrite the normalizedName getters in the process to use these new API functions, to avoid duplication.
11:51:39 <flo-retina> You just want to ssh into one of our machines and code it ;)
11:51:59 <clokep> aleth: I don't understand that question. But I guess the answer is "yes".
11:52:58 <flo-retina> if that's inside purplexpcom, I suspect the answer may be no
11:53:02 <flo-retina> but it doesn't seem important right now
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11:54:58 <clokep> aleth: Can you give me a "patch" that either has some code that should theoretically work or comments of where to change things?
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11:55:22 <aleth> clokep: Sure
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11:57:15 <clokep> dew: What's w/ your connection?
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12:52:46 <dew> I created a dhcp reserveration for an IP that already existed
12:52:51 <dew> on my network
12:53:32 <dew> that's why my connection kept dropping clokep_
12:53:43 <clokep_> dew: OK. :) I Hope it's fixed now. ;)
12:58:57 <clokep_> flo-retina: Thanks for going through the sw:1.5 list.
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13:32:03 <aleth> Anyone seen this on shutdown? Call to xpconnect wrapped JSObject produced this error: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80470003 (NS_BASE_STREAM_OSERROR) nsIConverterOutputStream.close]"  nsresult: "0x80470003 (NS_BASE_STREAM_OSERROR)"  location: "JS frame :: resource://gre/components/logger.js :: cl_close :: line 203"  data: no]
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13:33:19 <flo-retina> clokep_: no problem; I hope it makes more sense now.
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13:38:26 <aleth> Ignore that shutdown error, I think it's not due to an IB problem
13:40:21 <flo-retina> so what was it?
13:40:37 <aleth> Probably just a transient NFS issue
13:42:18 <flo-retina> ah
13:42:31 <flo-retina> well, in that case we may still want to have better error reporting ;)
13:44:59 <aleth> We also don't handle file system issues during imContacts.js calls at all well
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14:23:27 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org cancelled review?(nhnt11@gmail.com) for attachment 3051 on bug 2208.
14:23:28 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from nhnt11@gmail.com for attachment 3064 on bug 2208.
14:23:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2208 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Show a notification bar in the awesometab while log sweeping.
14:24:34 <aleth> clokep: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/bug2115
14:24:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2115 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Provide a way to obtain the normalizedName of a nick
14:29:09 <clokep___> aleth: Thanks, left some questions.
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14:31:23 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org cancelled review?(nhnt11@gmail.com) for attachment 3064 on bug 2208.
14:31:24 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from nhnt11@gmail.com for attachment 3065 on bug 2208.
14:31:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2208 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Show a notification bar in the awesometab while log sweeping.
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15:16:59 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 2254 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
15:17:00 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 3066 on bug 2254.
15:17:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2254 enh, --, ---, aleth, NEW, Open conversations when joinChat is called for better responsiveness
15:19:13 <flo-retina> ooh, that title seems promising!
15:20:13 <flo-retina> lol
15:20:36 <flo-retina> "It improves things in 2 ways: 1. it feels more responsive. 2. It is more responsive." :-D
15:21:02 <flo-retina> (but I get what you mean; it's just the wording that's funny there ;))
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15:24:36 <clokep___> aleth: Seems reasonable.
15:24:43 <clokep___> I can't focus on this right now.
15:28:18 <flo-retina> does this give us an opportunity (or at least a place) to insult the user when failing to join a password protected channel?
15:28:37 <aleth> Right, that too!
15:28:53 <aleth> What do we currently do in that case?
15:29:22 <flo-retina> I think we do nothing/dump some garbage in the error console.
15:29:34 <aleth> :(
15:30:25 <clokep___> I'm pretty sure we put a message into conversation...
15:30:28 <clokep___> Currently.
15:31:28 <clokep___> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/ircBase.jsm#1327
15:32:01 <aleth> Phew :) That's OK then...
15:32:14 <flo-retina> clokep___: which conversation?
15:32:22 <flo-retina> (when it was joined from the Join Chat dialog)
15:32:41 <flo-retina> oh, we open the channel
15:32:43 <flo-retina> ok
15:32:46 * flo-retina shuts up
15:35:38 <clokep___> flo-retina: I think you complained loud enough at one point I fixed it for you already. ;)
15:36:21 <flo-retina> makes me look like someone who complains all the time :(
15:37:18 <aleth> flo-retina: The larger point is correct though. There's a couple of error messages on joining we don't currently have strings for.
15:38:00 <aleth> Codes 471, 473, 474, 476 for starters
15:38:11 <clokep___> Yes, we're definitely missing a few.
15:38:23 <clokep___> aleth: WIll this focus the conversation?
15:38:34 <aleth> It has nothing to do with focusing.
15:38:44 <aleth> But yes, it will help in the awesometab case.
15:40:03 <aleth> Actually it will help in all cases other than keyboard commands iirc!
15:40:24 <aleth> Because the existing focusConversation call will work.
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15:45:05 <clokep___> Right.
15:45:12 <clokep___> aleth: Should the command call focusConversation?
15:45:38 <aleth> It isn't allowed to (prpls should not use the Conversations object).
15:47:52 <clokep___> aleth: I guess I don't know if commands are UI or prpl. ;)
15:48:02 <clokep___> What is focusConversation part of?
15:48:20 <clokep___> Don't we already break that somewhere? :-S
15:48:22 <aleth> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/modules/imWindows.jsm#72
15:51:24 <clokep___> Ah, never mind. :(
15:51:37 <aleth> I have no good ideas how to fix that bug :(
15:53:03 <flo-retina> aleth: can the command return the conversation, so that conversation.xml calls the focusConversation method on it?
15:53:29 <flo-retina> I think commands don't return anything right now
15:53:30 <aleth> I don't know - currently commands return true or false...
15:53:35 <flo-retina> ah
15:54:49 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 2235 to DUPLICATE of bug 2254.
15:54:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2235 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Conversations opened from the newtab don't always receive focus
15:54:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2254 enh, --, ---, aleth, NEW, Open conversations when joinChat is called for better responsiveness
15:56:33 <aleth> I suppose one could check for queryinterface on the return value
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16:06:46 <Mic|web> Hi
16:07:54 <clokep___> Hey Mic|web !
16:09:34 <Mic|web> Is there a date for the release now by the way? I've seen flo's activity on BMO...
16:12:37 <aleth> Hi :) I think we'll have a date when we string freeze...
16:13:13 <Mic|web> aleth: when is that?
16:13:32 <aleth> I don't know (there are pending reviews, and there are server issues)
16:16:01 <Mic|web> I want to decide whether trying to finish bug 1511 during the weekend would be "rushing for the release" or not... ;)
16:16:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1511 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Possible to add duplicate accounts
16:16:59 <aleth> If you finished it this weekend, I would be really surprised if it wasn't in 1.5 ;)
16:17:17 <aleth> Does that have strings too?
16:18:48 <flo-retina> Mic|web: if was finished this week-end, I would take it
16:18:58 <flo-retina> Mic|web: we have at least 1 week of string freeze
16:19:00 <Mic|web> aleth: no, it doesn't.
16:19:17 <flo-retina> so that should be enough to catch regressions
16:20:31 <flo-retina> Mic|web: the only date I've heard mentioned for the release was yesterday. But I  haven't found the new release on the website yet :-S.
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16:28:00 <dew> bah
16:30:43 <clokep___> flo-retina: Be nice. :P
16:30:56 <Mic|web> I need to go, have a nice day!
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16:31:03 <flo-retina> clokep___: ?
16:36:11 <dew> I don't think I'm ever going to get around to contributing coding, I'm sorry guys :(
16:39:43 * flo-retina wonders how he hasn't been nice with :-S
16:40:14 <flo-retina> s/how/who/
16:40:44 <flo-retina> dew: any cool project taking up all your spare time these days? :)
16:41:43 <dew> just work.  I wish we were doing JS at work so that I could take it home and apply it :/
16:43:05 <flo-retina> if you are still interested in learning JS, maybe you can pick something smaller to get started/learn the language?
16:45:11 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org cancelled review?(clokep@gmail.com) for attachment 3066 on bug 2254.
16:45:12 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 3067 on bug 2254.
16:45:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2254 enh, --, ---, aleth, NEW, Open conversations when joinChat is called for better responsiveness
16:47:43 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org cancelled review?(clokep@gmail.com) for attachment 3067 on bug 2254.
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16:47:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2254 enh, --, ---, aleth, NEW, Open conversations when joinChat is called for better responsiveness
16:48:42 <aleth> Aren't there websites that teach you to JS in bite-sized chunks?
16:52:43 <aleth> dew: http://www.codecademy.com/ or http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2011/02/learn-to-code-the-full-beginners-guide/ maybe?
16:57:37 <dew> yes but my problem is that I can't get anything productive done outside of work
16:58:10 <aleth> Those interactive snippets might fit into coffe breaks ;)
16:59:05 <aleth> But don't let us push you...
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17:04:17 <flo-retina> ah, I finally remember which patch I wanted to push this morning!
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17:42:59 <aleth> dew: are you timeouting again?
17:43:17 <dew> yeah I have no idea why
17:43:44 <dew> too much wireless interference?
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19:53:37 <clokep> After applying https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=3063&action=edit I get an error abou tnot finding a makefile...
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19:55:33 <clokep> Stuff like this is what kills me...
19:55:54 <aleth> motivation-destroying...
19:56:00 <clokep> Pretty much.
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19:56:05 <clokep> Plus it means my tree doesn't work.
19:56:20 <aleth> hg unapply! ;)
19:56:28 <clokep> :P
19:56:31 <clokep> hg qpop
19:56:33 <clokep> More likely.
19:57:40 <clokep> aleth: Hopefully I'll look at that normalization stuff in a few minutes.
20:12:25 <clokep> Figured it out. :)
20:12:30 <clokep> I had to port https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/3281b0e5ed4d
20:13:46 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 3061 on bug 2249.
20:13:47 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 3069 on bug 2249.
20:13:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2249 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Move more stuff to moz.build
20:14:17 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 3063 on bug 2249.
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20:17:37 <clokep> aleth: This is annoying.
20:18:28 <aleth> What is?
20:19:15 <clokep> that bug.
20:19:52 <clokep> I'm unsure if all the normalizedName getters are still necesary or not.
20:19:59 <clokep> (And where to add these new functions...)
20:20:03 <clokep> It's just frustrating.
20:20:12 <aleth> Yeah, devil in the details.
20:20:29 <aleth> I've checked IRC and twitter, if you take a look at yahoo I can look at xmpp
20:21:11 <clokep> ...
20:21:17 <clokep> "checked" for what?
20:21:42 <aleth> Whether there is any difference in normalization between the different getters
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20:22:06 <clokep> That wasn't my question at all. :-/
20:22:30 <aleth> Ah.
20:22:32 <clokep> GTalk will have differences anyway.
20:22:48 <clokep> It needs to know that clokep == clokep@gmail.com for the account name.
20:22:50 <aleth> So, the getters are still needed because you still want to be able to refer to the normalizedName of the various objects
20:23:05 <clokep> That's what I'm asking.
20:23:08 <clokep> Do we really still need that.
20:23:15 <aleth> It seems convenient\
20:23:21 <clokep> Only if it's used.
20:23:24 <clokep> Otherwise it's cruft.
20:23:35 <aleth> Umm, it's the only thing that's used at the moment
20:23:37 <aleth> There is nothing else
20:24:56 <aleth> What would you do instead? Replace all ...buddy.normalizedName with account.getnormalizedname(buddy.name) or similar messes?
20:25:02 <aleth> I guess I don't understand your question
20:25:10 <clokep> For the account.
20:25:22 <clokep> When the hell do we ever get the normalized name except to compare it to other account names?
20:25:34 <clokep> We probably use it in the logger too, I guess.
20:25:43 <aleth> Yeah, and the stats service of course
20:26:22 <clokep> I was trying to figure out if it even makes sense at all to expose this at all for the account or if it should just have an "isAccountNameEquals" method that returns a bool.
20:26:39 <aleth> That won't work for the logger etc
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20:27:08 <clokep> Yes, you've now got me to reach that conclusion finally. :P
20:27:44 <aleth> What I was wondering about (and thought you were) is whether a single normalize function is enough (per protocol) or whether we really need getNormalizedNameForXXX()
20:28:14 <clokep> I doubt it is.
20:28:44 <aleth> Looking at XMPP, I think you are right :-/
20:29:19 <clokep> Do we need both getNormalizedNameForAccountBuddy and getNormalizedNameForBuddy?
20:29:22 <clokep> Wat's the difference?
20:29:53 <clokep> (Also do we still need getNormalizedChatBuddyName ?)
20:29:57 <aleth> Same question - it depends on whether currently for any implementation there is a difference
20:30:13 <aleth> Please lets don't talk about getNormalizedChatBuddyName right now ;)
20:30:14 <clokep> I get confused about what an account buddy is and a buddy...
20:34:20 <aleth> iirc prpls only implement the former
20:34:27 <aleth> So the latter should not be anything independent
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20:35:48 <clokep> I have a feeling it'll just forward or something if it's even necessary.
20:36:01 <aleth> Looks like it http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/components/src/imContacts.js#940
20:37:29 <aleth> So, progress :) So we are left with Account, AccountBuddy, and Conversation
20:40:50 <aleth> js-xmpp seems to actively normalize only for the account (this is really surprising to me - it doesn't even lowercase)
20:41:18 <clokep> That seems wrong
20:41:23 <aleth> It does
20:41:24 <clokep> Does it fall back to the proto?
20:41:28 <aleth> No
20:41:39 <aleth> (if you mean to jsProtoHelper)
20:42:14 <aleth> e.g. http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/xmpp/xmpp.jsm#91
20:43:02 <aleth> me wonders why flo did it that way
20:43:55 <aleth> Unless I'm missing something, yahoo doesn't override jsprotohelper at all.
20:44:20 <aleth> So no headache there (since that implementation was recently fixed)
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20:45:16 <clokep> The default now is just toLowerCase, right?
20:45:22 <aleth> (unless the fact that there is no reference to normalizedNames anywhere in js-yahoo is itself some bug...)
20:45:25 <aleth> clokep: right
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21:01:19 <clokep> aleth: I don't think so.
21:04:34 <flo-retina> "<clokep> I get confused about what an account buddy is and a buddy..." :'(
21:05:05 <clokep> flo-retina: Well really my sentence there was "I'm confused about why we're talking about account buddies here"
21:05:37 <flo-retina> ah, that's much better! :)
21:07:27 <clokep> That conversation killed all my motivation to work on that. :-\
21:10:23 <flo-retina> I'm not very surprised.
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23:16:04 <flo-retina> I'm looking into the partial update issue
23:16:23 <flo-retina> it's strange, build ids don't match
23:17:37 <flo-retina> for the request from 1/Instantbird/1.5a1pre/20131111180411/Darwin... we offer a complete update to 2013-11-20-05-instantbird/instantbird-1.5a1pre.en-US.mac.complete.mar and no partial. And we actually don't have any partial update file to update from 20131111180411. But we have one to update from 20131118062825
23:17:42 <flo-retina> which is likely the same build
23:18:02 <flo-retina> so why is the build id in the update request and in the update files we have on the server different?
23:18:23 <flo-retina> I don't see how this could have happened with the server update.
23:18:28 <flo-retina> Could it be from the last mozilla update?
23:20:29 <clokep> It's possible.
23:20:39 <clokep> I vaguely feel like we ported something that touches the build ID?
23:20:48 <flo-retina> what what I'm saying doesn't make any sense
23:21:06 <flo-retina> one build here is from november 11; it's expected that we have no partial for something that old
23:21:48 <flo-retina> ok, forget what I said; it makes no sense
23:22:16 <flo-retina> so from 1/Instantbird/1.5a1pre/20131118062825/Darwin we offered a full update to 2013-11-20-05-instantbird
23:22:40 <flo-retina> although we have a mar file instantbird-1.5a1pre.en-US.mac.partial.from-20131118062825.mar in the folder
23:22:43 <flo-retina> that's the correct build id
23:23:09 <clokep> OK.
23:26:06 * flo-retina wonders how one accesses phpmyadmin on the new server :-S
23:26:32 <flo-retina> ah, got it :)
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