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04:26:54 <instant-buildbot> build #1186 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/1186
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10:23:30 <aleth> Even: The Linux builder seems to be down (no nightlies for the last few days)
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10:53:51 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 3047 on bug 2250.
10:53:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2250 enh, --, ---, aleth, NEW, Participant tooltips should set presence info
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10:54:43 <nhnt11> Yay, finally a new nightly
10:54:46 <nhnt11> The new tooltips are nice :)
11:02:49 <Mic> aleth: re this patch: does the label.toLowerCase stuff work for localized builds too?
11:03:17 <Mic> That's at line 256.
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11:26:32 <clokep> aleth: That should probably be r? someone else too.
11:26:38 <clokep> I'm not sure I understand the tooltip changes.
11:29:35 <aleth> clokep: I r? you first because of the IRC changes.
11:29:53 <clokep> Yes, which I don't know if I fully understand either. :)
11:29:59 <clokep> But I also got up 15 minutes ago so...
11:30:30 <aleth> Mic: I'm not sure if it will suppress all "status" type entries, but the one I care about is not localised.
11:31:01 <aleth> clokep: Basically it's just "hey, we actually know the status after whois, so let's include it"
11:31:25 <clokep> Will it set the status message and the status?
11:31:41 <aleth> The status message only for contacts.
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11:32:23 <aleth> (I assume you're referring to the "Away" field)
11:32:36 * clokep isn't sure what he's referring to. :-D
11:32:50 <clokep> I guess my question is "How hacky is this? Should we just be providing a proper buddy object?"
11:33:21 <aleth> Even after we add fake buddies for PM partners, I doubt we want to make one for every participant.
11:33:39 <aleth> But we can always reassess that when we get around to doing that for PMs...
11:34:54 <clokep> Why can't we make them on the fly? :)
11:35:25 <aleth> Like I said, maybe we will, but let's fix it for the "easier" case of PMs first ;)
11:35:35 <aleth> I'm certainly not doing it in this patch.
11:37:29 <aleth> So, I'd say the change is moderately hackish, and we can always replace it when something better comes along ;)
11:38:19 <clokep> OK.
11:39:21 <aleth> Plus it cleans up a lot on the tooltip side already imho.
11:39:44 <clokep> I don't understand why you're touching the result of the /whois command.
11:40:21 <aleth> clokep: It just suppresses putting the status in the system message response
11:40:42 <aleth> We already have it there.
11:40:56 <clokep> We alredy have it there?
11:41:07 <clokep> How?
11:42:11 <aleth> clokep: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/irc.js#227
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11:47:50 <clokep> OK. :)
11:48:00 <clokep> I clearly need to read this patch much more closely.
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11:50:36 <flo-retina> and now I'm curious
11:50:38 <Mic> aleth: OK :)
11:50:39 <flo-retina> I guess I should have a look :-D
11:52:50 <clokep> :-D
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12:01:09 <flo-retina> aleth: does that comment in bug 2057 mean you can now use JS-XMPP? :)
12:01:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2057 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [JS-XMPP] ssl_error_rx_record_too_long SSL connection failure with swissjabber.ch
12:01:44 <aleth> flo-retina: Using it now.
12:01:49 <flo-retina> :)
12:01:55 <aleth> :)
12:02:22 <aleth> I suspect it's our lack of http proxy support again, as 443 is a http port
12:02:53 <aleth> But I'm really just guessing
12:04:16 * aleth even managed to join a MUC ;)
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12:04:41 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 3047 on bug 2250.
12:04:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2250 enh, --, ---, aleth, NEW, Participant tooltips should set presence info
12:09:21 <flo-retina> aleth: so "status" is a new tooltip entry that you are adding?
12:09:26 <aleth> Yes
12:09:46 <flo-retina> so why elt.label.toLowerCase() == "status" ?
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12:10:25 <aleth> Just a drive-by addition in case there is some other status entry we can suppress (someone asked for that iirc?)
12:10:54 <aleth> As Mic pointed out, that wasn't well thought out as it's probably localized
12:11:15 <flo-retina> why would you want to remove another "Status" entry if you don't do anything with its data?
12:11:31 <aleth> Like I said, maybe I misunderstood something.
12:11:51 <aleth> I'll happily drop the toLowerCase.
12:12:29 <flo-retina> this feels hackish
12:12:35 <aleth> Sure.
12:12:42 <flo-retina> I would almost want to suggest making that "_status" to avoid collisions
12:12:54 <flo-retina> but then we also need to patch Tb to (at least) ignore that item.
12:13:18 <aleth> Tb has tooltips?
12:13:56 <flo-retina> I would be surprised if it didn't!
12:14:10 <flo-retina> aleth: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/find?text=&string=buddytool
12:14:36 * aleth wonders why that isn't all in /chat then
12:15:14 <flo-retina> that part (the binding names) http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/buddytooltip.xml#418 is totally Ib specific.
12:17:18 <aleth> Still... rather a lot of duplication :-./
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12:25:41 <flo-retina> aleth: there may be ways to clean up this mess
12:26:07 <flo-retina> like making all the elements where we can show a tooltip expose a common property that the tooltip code could detect maybe
12:26:28 <flo-retina> this would all be easier to deal with if we were in the same repository
12:27:44 <aleth> Yes, once we are in the same repo it will be much more convenient to think about that
12:28:34 <aleth> It would be nice if we had a contributor who wanted to maintain the Tb chat UI
12:29:35 <aleth> Maybe JosiahOne would be interested...
12:41:23 <flo-retina> indeed, that would be very helpful! :)
12:42:20 <clokep_work> Except JosiahOne uses Instantbird. :P
12:47:17 * flo-retina won't blame him for that ;)
12:47:27 <flo-retina> maybe Mook then? :)
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13:44:50 <clokep_work> aleth: What was the field "elt" supposed to hold?
13:45:20 <aleth> clokep_work: The DOM element being hovered over.
13:45:52 <clokep_work> Interesting. OK
13:46:06 <aleth> No idea why it was designed that way. I guess that code is old.
13:46:31 <clokep_work> Won't that DOM element still have a field called "status" and stuff?
13:46:33 <clokep_work> Does it still need it?
13:46:54 <clokep_work> Also am I dumb? What is the Status (capital "s").
13:47:26 <aleth> I have no idea if the status attribute on those elements is used elsewhere.
13:47:35 <aleth> I /think/ CSS uses it.
13:48:48 <clokep_work> Ah, that's quite likely. :)
13:48:53 <aleth> Status is http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/modules/imStatusUtils.jsm
13:52:33 <clokep_work> OK, I had no idea that existed...even though I'm pretty sure I've used it before. ;)
14:13:56 <clokep_work> aleth: So I'm gonna review this.
14:14:02 <clokep_work> If I say crazy things in the comments.
14:14:08 <clokep_work> Just hit me with a fish or something and tell me I'm wrong.
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15:22:10 <clokep_work> aleth: I couldn't decide if it was an r+ or r-. :(
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15:46:26 <flo-retina> clokep_work: it will be r- from me because it adds non localized stuff visible in the (TB) UI, but I won't r- until I find a reasonable suggestion for what to do instead
15:50:53 <clokep_work> That was one of my comments, kind of. :)
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15:54:39 <flo-retina> clokep_work: my problem isn't the " - " hardcoded string. It is the "status" item that's added to tooltips
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15:58:18 <aleth> flo-retina: Isn't that just something that would have to be dealt with in the next+1 chat merge?
15:58:34 <flo-retina> it could be
15:59:01 <flo-retina> but I'm not excited about making these merges even more painful
16:01:13 <clokep_work> Speaking of painful merges, can I get a review on that?
16:01:18 <clokep_work> The patches are fairly trivial, IIRC>
16:01:23 <clokep_work> Although I need to test them again.
16:01:27 <clokep_work> I couldn't build last time I tried.
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16:02:46 <flo-retina> yeah, I know you need a review
16:21:40 <clokep_work> :)
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19:27:59 <flo-retina> are there clear steps forward for bug 2250?
19:28:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2250 enh, --, ---, aleth, NEW, Participant tooltips should set presence info
19:28:09 <flo-retina> or do I need to poke at it / we need to discuss it?
19:28:42 <aleth> I don't have a better solution than what's in the bug, other than just not adding presence for non-buddies
19:29:18 <flo-retina> clokep_work: are you still expecting us to release 8 days from now?
19:32:29 <flo-retina> aleth: what about extending http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/components/public/prplITooltipInfo.idl#13 ?
19:32:42 <flo-retina> const short statusType = 3;
19:33:58 <flo-retina> and maybe even statusText = 4;
19:34:39 <aleth> I considered that, but doesn't that add an API which eventually we would prefer to do without?
19:34:54 <flo-retina> and what about exposing statusType and statusText on prplIConvIM, to get out of the "fake accountbuddy for private messages" mess?
19:35:17 <flo-retina> if we could do without prplITooltipInfo, that may be better
19:35:33 <flo-retina> I think we are stuck with it because it matches what libpurple sends us
19:35:56 <aleth> Ah.
19:36:18 <aleth> "exposing statusType and statusText on prplIConvIM" is not in itself going to fix those bugs.
19:36:37 <flo-retina> when I read http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/components/public/imIAccount.idl#106, it seems to make sense to me that the status will be returned in the enumerator
19:36:48 <aleth> The reason this one here is an easy win is because we happen to have the presence info just after we do whois.
19:37:07 <flo-retina> aleth: what I meant is that it lets us handle it purely on the prpl side without having to mess with the contact list at all
19:37:37 <flo-retina> inside JS-IRC you would still add the nick to the list of nicks the account is interested in having presence info about.
19:39:49 <aleth> Adding it to prplITooltipInfo as a separate content type is definitely better than a fake text entry
19:41:31 <aleth> I'm not sure the other presence bug is simple, because I think it would be better to avoid yet another observer/notification mechanism
19:42:34 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 3047 on bug 2250.
19:42:35 <flo-retina> why yet another observer mechanism?
19:42:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2250 enh, --, ---, aleth, NEW, Participant tooltips should set presence info
19:42:52 <aleth> Maybe I misunderstood your suggestion
19:43:22 <flo-retina> conversation.xml already observes "status-text-changed"
19:43:48 <flo-retina> aleth: it's a half backed suggestion, I just suggested the direction in which I would investigate; not a full solution
19:44:26 <aleth> I don't think we should try to fix that before 1.5
19:45:28 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 3046 on bug 2249.
19:45:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2249 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Move more stuff to moz.build
19:47:27 <aleth> "it lets us handle it purely on the prpl side without having to mess with the contact list at all" That would make life a lot easier, I'll have to think about that
19:47:40 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 3044 on bug 2249.
19:47:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2249 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Move more stuff to moz.build
19:48:08 <flo-retina> aleth: "I don't think we should try to fix that before 1.5" not sure what "that" is referring to.
19:48:23 <flo-retina> But if we really still intend to release next week, we shouldn't "try to fix" anything that isn't on the blocker lsit
19:48:25 <flo-retina> *lis
19:48:25 <flo-retina> t
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19:59:36 <aleth> I can't see us releasing next week realistically (nightly updates are still patchy and not partial, and nhnt11 has an unfixed blocker with string changes)
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20:10:59 <aleth> Of course maybe things are easier to fix than I am assuming ;)
20:11:28 <aleth> And I guess the partial updates don't really affect a release.
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20:49:17 <flo-retina> aleth: I don't think the state of the update server has any implication on our ability to string freeze
20:49:33 <flo-retina> the state of buildbot may be more problematic though :-/
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21:45:16 <flo-retina> clokep: any idea of what that mode parameter means (http://pastebin.instantbird.com/438401) ?
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21:46:15 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Not off the top of my head, no.
21:46:39 <Mook_as> http://www.unrealircd.com/files/docs/unreal32docs.html#feature_antiflood ?
21:46:41 <flo-retina> I almost thought it was a parsing error that caused us to have junk in the warning
21:46:46 <flo-retina> but I guess it isn't
21:48:19 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Yes, that's what it is.
21:48:36 <Mook_as> so, something like, if there are more than 5 CTCPs in 10 seconds, disable CTCPs in the channel for... 5 minutes, probably?
21:49:51 <flo-retina> okey
21:50:01 * flo-retina things that syntax complicated
21:50:06 <flo-retina> *finds
21:50:16 <clokep_work> Mook_as: Yes, something like that.
21:50:21 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I find that syntax ridiculous.
21:50:38 * Mook_as just hopes there's a GUI for setting that crap
21:51:41 <clokep_work> Mook_as: YOu're kidding, I assume?
21:51:52 <flo-retina> clokep_work: about XPIDL_MODULE vs MODULE I'm not fully sure in the new moz.build world. At the time I wrote these makefiles, if XPIDL_MODULE wasn't explicitly set, it automatically got the value of MODULE.
21:52:10 <clokep_work> I see...
21:52:15 <clokep_work> That's confusing.
21:52:44 <flo-retina> and I think MODULE alone is supposed to be the name of the library generated by the makefile
21:52:44 <Mook_as> clokep_work: oh, I don't expect any IRC client to actually _have_ said UI, because it's not standardized across servers
21:53:04 <Mook_as> I'm just saying it's horrible enough that setting it without a GUI is ridiculous :p
21:53:17 <clokep_work> Mook_as: servers are almost entirely by config file.
21:53:19 <flo-retina> so MODULE in a folder where there are only .idl file would actually be equivalent to XPIDL_MODULE
21:53:50 <clokep_work> Got it.
21:53:53 <clokep_work> I think.
21:53:53 <flo-retina> clokep_work: in the mintrayr folder IIRC, I suspect the MODULE isn't really used because LIBRARY_NAME is also defined explicitly.
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21:54:12 <clokep_work> flo-retina: So really the only place we need MODULE defined is purplexpcom?
21:55:10 <flo-retina> clokep_work: IIRC generated .h files also used to be nsinstall'ed to dist/include/<MODULE>/fileName.h. Now all files go in dist/include directly unless a folder name is explicitly specified
21:56:17 <flo-retina> well, it is also defined in http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libraries/xml2/Makefile.in
21:56:29 <flo-retina> although we also have LIBRARY_NAME there :-S
21:56:50 <flo-retina> and EXPORTS_NAMESPACES= is the new explicit thing for where to put .h files
21:57:44 <Mook_as> yeah, I think way back when MODULE was required. probably isn't these days; it's been a few years.
21:59:18 <flo-retina> clokep_work: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/config/rules.mk#1350
22:02:05 <clokep_work> flo-retina: ...sooo remove it everywhere?
22:02:09 <clokep_work> I'm not sure what you're asking me to do.
22:02:13 <flo-retina> possibly
22:02:33 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I'm just trying to explain the situation, not asking something specifically
22:03:17 <flo-retina> MODULE_NAME seems to only be used for C++ xpcom components that are static libraries
22:03:18 <instantbot> c++ is e-- ah, nevermind.
22:03:22 <flo-retina> so we likely don't need it either
22:07:40 <clokep_work> OK
22:08:27 <flo-retina> clokep_work: if we want to do more cleanup, we may prefer doing it in a separate bug
22:09:01 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I would just prefer that the changes that we make actually make sense. You don't have to fix everything here. :)
22:12:28 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I don't understand.
22:12:40 <clokep_work> flo-retina: You mean you want each of these clean ups in a separate bug?
22:12:48 <flo-retina> no :)
22:13:49 <flo-retina> clokep_work: my understanding was that the goal of the current bug was to port the c-c patchs that move stuff to moz.build, and that you were also doing similar changes to instantbird/ and purple/
22:14:01 <clokep_work> Yes, that's my goal.
22:14:11 <clokep_work> So that the diff between the two is null
22:14:23 <flo-retina> if we want to start doing a full review of the existing purple/ and instantbird/ makefile to remove the pointless lines they may contain, I'm saying that's likely a different bug
22:14:37 <clokep_work> Ah, OK.
22:15:00 <clokep_work> So...I can continue blindly porting things? ;)
22:15:20 <flo-retina> can I still ask you to open half an eye? :)
22:17:12 <clokep_work> I'll try my best.
22:21:16 <flo-retina> :)
22:22:06 <Mook_as> hrm, I guess thunderbird doesn't know how to read *.txt logs
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22:35:47 <flo-retina> Mook_as: it probably doesn't. Why? :)
22:36:02 <Mook_as> because I have a bunch :p
22:36:23 <flo-retina> you are out of luck :-P
22:36:36 <Mook_as> ah well, I'll just have to learn to use grep :p
22:58:37 <flo-retina> wow, I thought my handwriting was readable for 24-48h. I can't even read my notes of 5 hours ago :(
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