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ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 11:20:52 <flo-retina> why don't we have tooltips for show-nick-highlighted nicks again? 11:21:02 <flo-retina> and the MemoServ UX is awful :( 11:21:55 <clokep_work> MemoServ is a PITA, yes. :) 11:23:13 <flo-retina> clokep_work: heh, I almost asked in bug 2239 if there was any error, when I saw the bug title 11:23:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2239 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Mismatch between tab title and conversation name 11:23:28 <flo-retina> but after seeing the screenshot, I wondered if we are somehow normalizing an alias, or something 11:23:50 <flo-retina> I assumed that Flo/flo was flo-retina with an alias. 11:24:40 <aleth> flo-retina: I don't see an easy way to add them as is, so I thought I would wait until wnayes' patch lands before adding them 11:24:50 <aleth> (them = the tooltips) 11:25:08 <flo-retina> clokep_work: btw, the new version of the Tb add-on is very crashy 11:25:52 <flo-retina> I think I should be able to build it with the tb-try server again (like last time), and maybe we don't need to hold on updating to 25 just because of that 11:26:04 <flo-retina> I would like to know why no nightly was produced this night btw 11:27:03 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I saw. :( I haven't treid it yet. 11:47:10 <aleth> We should discuss if we should/want/can sign https://github.com/stpeter/manifesto 11:52:58 <aleth> TLS 1.2 appears to be https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=861266, in moz28 11:56:38 <aleth> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=934663 (not landed) may be related 12:04:45 <-- fjaeio has quit (Ping timeout) 12:51:55 --> novabyte has joined #instantbird 13:08:36 --> jb has joined #instantbird 13:15:44 --> fjaeio has joined #instantbird 13:50:56 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 14:21:32 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 14:23:19 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 14:25:38 <-- GeKo has quit (Quit: leaving) 14:29:22 <-- mpmc has quit (Client 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exited) 17:50:51 --> dew has joined #instantbird 17:51:04 <Mook_as> huh. I can't merge contacts in thunderbird's IM? 17:51:23 <flo-retina> Mook_as: there's no contact in Tb IM :-P 17:51:39 <Mook_as> I have a heading called "Online Contacts" :p 17:52:02 <flo-retina> these are YOUR contacts, not Tb's contacts :-P 17:52:20 --> kkirill has joined #instantbird 17:52:57 <flo-retina> Mook_as: so yes, no UI for that in Tb 17:53:05 <Mook_as> no, my contacts are fleshbags :p 17:53:15 <flo-retina> cool :-p 17:53:37 <flo-retina> if that makes you feel better, I've got no Talkilla contacts either ;) 18:00:31 <-- mconley has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:00:37 <-- dew has quit (Ping timeout) 18:00:51 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 18:01:50 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 18:02:11 --> dew has joined #instantbird 18:06:33 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 18:09:48 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 18:09:48 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 18:16:05 <-- dew has quit (Ping timeout) 18:17:04 --> dew has joined #instantbird 18:18:45 <-- dew has quit (Ping timeout) 18:18:57 --> dew has joined #instantbird 18:21:23 <-- dew has quit (Client exited) 18:22:43 --> dew has joined #instantbird 18:24:43 --> qlum has joined #instantbird 18:35:52 <-- dew has quit (Ping timeout) 18:36:34 --> dew has joined #instantbird 18:43:29 <-- dew has quit (Ping timeout) 18:43:48 --> dew has joined #instantbird 18:45:05 <clokep_work> aleth: Seems reasonable. 18:46:42 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 18:47:33 <-- dew has quit (Ping timeout) 18:49:49 --> dew has joined #instantbird 19:02:20 <-- fjaeio has quit (Ping timeout) 19:26:27 <clokep_work> aleth: Thanks for doing some of the moderation queue. 19:26:30 <clokep_work> I assume that was you. :) 19:27:00 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes, first time in ages there was something not-spam ;) 19:27:34 <clokep_work> Did you approve Jose's? 19:29:10 <aleth> No 19:30:33 <clokep_work> Did you discard it or reject it w/ a message? 19:31:10 <aleth> I think I left it pending actually - I just didn't want it to be the first reply to that email, since it was misunderstanding what was being asked. 19:31:30 <clokep_work> It wasn't in the pending queue when I jsut checked 19:32:44 <aleth> It's indeed gone. 19:35:16 <aleth> I must have made a mistake the next time it showed up. 19:36:06 <aleth> I'm not sure how to respond to the chat requests email, as it's not clear what we should do about that 19:42:12 <-- GeKo has quit (Quit: leaving) 19:43:28 <clokep_work> Which one is this? 19:43:53 <aleth> The one asking for a flag to auto-reject all incoming chat requests 19:43:56 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 19:44:09 <aleth> (which are actually friend requests) 19:44:21 <clokep_work> Oh...yeah...respond asking what they're really asking for? Idk. 19:44:27 <clokep_work> Say somethign nice... 19:44:55 <aleth> It's clear what the annoyance is, I'm just not sure it has a good solution ;) 19:46:01 <-- aleth has quit (Input/output error) 19:46:31 <clokep_work> Respond saying that. 19:46:35 <clokep_work> Anything is better than nothing. 19:58:01 <Mook_as> that sounds extensionable 20:16:37 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 20:18:13 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout) 20:18:54 <-- Mook_as has quit (Quit: Mook_as) 20:19:13 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 20:26:17 * mconley is now known as mconley|interview 20:32:05 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 20:40:06 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 20:40:14 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 20:47:06 --> fjaeio has joined #instantbird 20:50:40 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 20:50:40 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 20:52:15 * flo-retina would like auto-ghosting 20:53:01 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I'll review the patch. ;) 20:53:18 <flo-retina> clokep_work: have we specified the way it should work? 20:53:47 <flo-retina> I remember we debated it for a while, but I don't remember the conclusion 20:53:53 <clokep_work> No. 20:54:02 <clokep_work> Pretty much there's no way to tell when to ghost and when to choose a new name. 20:54:18 <clokep_work> We talked about adding a /ghost command which would 1. ghost the user and 2. change to the now available nick. 20:56:15 <lewellyn> and the mechanism for ghosting is network specific :P 20:56:18 <flo-retina> hmm, I'm not sure I'm convinced by "there's no way to tell when to ghost and when to choose a new name." 20:56:29 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Convince me? 20:56:35 <lewellyn> flo-retina: the only way to tell is by doing a CTCP PING 20:56:38 <clokep_work> lewellyn: Yeah, sure. but we can handle the generic case. 20:56:43 <flo-retina> if someone is using my nick and isn't identified (which we can know from whois, right?), why can't we know we should ghost? 20:56:45 <lewellyn> clokep_work: there are 3 generic cases :P 20:56:46 <clokep_work> lewellyn: How is that the only way to tell? :-S 20:56:53 <clokep_work> lewellyn: I don't understand. 20:57:02 <clokep_work> And please stop sounding like you're trying to beat me at a trivia game. :-/ 20:57:22 <clokep_work> flo-retina: What if they're identified? Does that mean you don't want to ghost? 20:57:33 <lewellyn> some servers have a /GHOST command, yes. but many do it via NickServ, using a combination of one or more of the GHOST, NICKRELEASE, and/or RELEASE commands. 20:57:52 <clokep_work> Commands are via the client, not the server. 20:58:14 <clokep_work> (I.e. "some servers have a /GHOST command" does not parse.) 20:58:30 <flo-retina> clokep_work: well, there are 2 different cases: 1. You've been disconnected and want to reclaim your nick when reconnecting (we know because we were using the nick just before getting disconnected). 2. Someone is using your nick and you want to kick them out. 20:58:34 <lewellyn> i had to alias a command to "/quote ghost" for one network. 20:59:03 <lewellyn> they had really bizarre services though. 20:59:55 <clokep_work> flo-retina: 3. You forgot to log off a computer somewhere and you want to reclaim that nick. 21:00:05 <clokep_work> (I.e. #2, but "Someone" is actually your past self :)) 21:00:30 <lewellyn> and many networks deal with #2 themselves, using "nick protection" 21:00:32 <flo-retina> aleth: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today#m264 wouldn't the DND add-on help? 21:00:59 <flo-retina> clokep_work: if my past self isn't identified, I'm happy to kick it out! 21:01:21 <flo-retina> clokep_work: for 3. the /ghost command seems reasonable 21:01:21 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: OSError: [Errno 130] Owner died) 21:01:43 <clokep_work> lewellyn: flo-retina is saying that you don't have nick protection on. 21:02:45 <lewellyn> oh yeah. i forgot one of the possible nickserv commands. RECOVER. 21:02:51 <lewellyn> so one or more of the 4. :P 21:02:59 <lewellyn> and there's no standard way to know which are required. 21:03:20 <clokep_work> I don't really see your point. 21:03:28 <clokep_work> You're just saying it's hard, not that it isn't worth doing. 21:04:23 <lewellyn> there's no way to actually know, either. i'm just providing some of the hurdles for the "what if there were a reliable way?" part ;) 21:04:37 <clokep_work> I don't think anyone asked that yet. :P 21:07:17 <clokep_work> lewellyn: I think we have a pretty good understanding that services aren't standardized across networks, but your comments aren't really helping us to understand the problem or how to fix it. They pretty much sound like "this is impossible, don't bother", which isn't really appreciated and is a bit deflating. 21:09:01 <lewellyn> i'm not saying it's impossible. i'm just trying to jump a step ahead. ;) 21:09:10 <flo-retina> does nick protection exist on moznet? 21:09:13 <Mic> lewellyn: clokep_work and aleth did a great job of making authenticating with nickserv just work, I wouldn't count it out yet ;) 21:09:25 <Mic> *, so I wouldn't 21:09:39 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Yes. 21:09:47 <clokep_work> I have it set. :P 21:10:22 <clokep_work> lewellyn: OK, but it very much sounds condescending as opposed to helpful. :) 21:10:26 <flo-retina> clokep_work: cool, wanna teach me how to do it? 21:10:35 <lewellyn> clokep_work: that's not my intent at all. 21:17:56 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:27:50 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Well we'd need to figure out if we want to try to handle a subset of those problems at once or what..and then write some stuff and test it out. :) 21:44:11 * mconley|interview is now known as mconley 22:01:54 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 22:03:06 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 22:07:15 --> dionisos has joined #instantbird 22:13:45 <-- fjaeio has quit (Ping timeout) 22:16:30 * clokep_work is now known as clokep 22:25:43 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 22:32:23 --> fjaeio has joined #instantbird 22:40:04 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 22:46:38 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 22:46:48 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 22:47:59 <clokep> aleth, flo-retina: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2239 I don't get that bug. 22:48:00 <instantbot> Bug 2239 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Mismatch between tab title and conversation name 22:48:19 <flo-retina> clokep: ahah 22:48:43 <flo-retina> clokep: so aleth had "flo-retina" and "flo" as 2 buddies of a grouped contact. 22:48:56 <flo-retina> a guy was connected to the nick "Flo" 22:49:26 <flo-retina> when I went offline, the private conversation we had switched from flo-retina to flo automatically. 22:49:53 <flo-retina> and one place displayed "Flo" (the case as typed by the guy who was stealing my nick) and the other "flo" (like aleth had in his buddy list) 22:50:05 <clokep> Interesting... 22:50:12 <clokep> So we didn't reset the nick somewhere? 22:50:17 <flo-retina> yeah 22:51:30 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 22:52:36 <-- kkirill has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:26:22 <-- dionisos has quit (Ping timeout) 23:27:00 <-- qlum has quit (Quit: Getting the <censored> out.) 23:44:47 <-- fjaeio has quit (Ping timeout) 23:58:02 * flo-retina is annoyed by http://buildbot.instantbird.org/waterfall