#instantbird log on 10 20 2013

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00:58:00 <BWMerlin> I would like to file a bug for a suggestion for additional protocols to be supported but I am unsure how to go about this
01:01:36 <BWMerlin> I am not sure if this gets filed under thunderbird or instantbird (I use instantbird with the additional chat protocol addon)
01:01:50 <BWMerlin> thunderbird*
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03:03:52 <instant-buildbot> build #1007 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1007
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05:56:27 <instant-buildbot> build #1048 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/1048
06:34:00 <instant-buildbot> build #1129 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1129
06:46:28 <clokep> BWMerlin: What protocol is it?
06:47:37 <BWMerlin> I would like to suggest the adding or raidcall, ventrilo and teamspeak
06:47:59 <clokep> I've never heard of raidcall.
06:48:07 <clokep> Ventrilo and teamspeak are both proprietary I believe.
06:48:29 <clokep> I've wanted to add Mumble, but haven't gotten around to it yet....
06:49:03 <BWMerlin> yeah I was going to do a quick google before I suggested but still didn't know where they really belonged
06:49:50 <clokep> Hmm....OK.
06:50:06 <clokep> So...the protocols extension for TB ispretty much the IB sourcecode.
06:50:11 <clokep> So it wouldn't end up in there w/o being in IB.
06:50:33 <BWMerlin> okay that is what I wanted to know
06:51:32 <BWMerlin> seems that teamspeak has a linux client and an SDK so I assume it would be possible to write an opensource plugin for it
06:52:49 <clokep> Possibly.
06:54:04 <BWMerlin> seems some work has been done for pidgin http://sourceforge.net/projects/teambb/
06:55:14 <clokep> I think extensions exist for Pidgin for both teamspeak and ventrilo.
06:56:29 <BWMerlin> I haven't found any current ones for teamspeak and haven't looked for vent ones just yet
06:57:01 <BWMerlin> with pidgin and IB both being libpurple is much involved in porting plugins across?
06:59:48 <clokep> No.
07:01:15 <BWMerlin> well that is good
07:01:32 <BWMerlin> the only active projects for these voices chats I can find is one for xfire and one for skype
07:12:29 <BWMerlin> I assume the IB devs would prefer that additional protocols be ported via way of plugins rather than to the main code
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08:15:16 <BWMerlin> evening all
08:15:42 <BWMerlin> hmm odd bug, sometimes IRC chats don't seem to load properly
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10:50:11 <flo-retina> heh, that guy in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740724 seems to offer us a pretty convincing excuse to kill the : s smiley text code :)
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14:41:05 <mali> ghacks review dates back to 2007 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/20/instantbird-a-mozilla-based-instant-messenger/
14:41:32 <mali> maybe there must be more frequent updates
14:41:42 <mali> instead of long term updates
14:46:50 <flo-retina> mali: what do you mean? We aren't the author of the ghacks article.
14:48:21 <mali> i just thought the software should attract more attention.
14:48:38 <mali> that way, the dev and user base would get bigger maybe
14:48:42 <mali> just an idea
14:49:17 <mali> oh, by update, i mean IB updates
14:49:19 <flo-retina> "attract more attention" how do you do that?
14:49:50 <mali> i think more frequent IB updates would help doing it
14:50:02 <mali> like firefox does for example
14:50:20 <mali> how often does IB gets updates in average?
14:50:41 <flo-retina> we try to release every 3 months or so, but tend to take more time
14:50:51 <flo-retina> so typically 3 releases a year
14:51:53 <mali> and the world ignores us :)
14:52:01 <mali> i wish more users used IB
14:52:04 <flo-retina> releasing typically takes more of the time/attention of the team and blocks actual development for about 2 weeks, so the more we release, the less we develop cool stuff
14:52:15 <flo-retina> *most of
14:52:18 <mali> hmm
14:52:45 <mali> i see
14:52:48 <flo-retina> mali: I think having someone who loves communicating / blocking / tweeting in the team would go a long way.
14:52:55 <flo-retina> *blogging
14:53:05 <flo-retina> we don't have to release a new version to blog about something cool
14:53:25 <flo-retina> but most of the people in the team find more enjoyment in making cool stuff than about blogging about them.
14:54:08 <mali> yeah, and i m quited interested in those cool stuff
14:54:18 <mali> i even have read commit texts to know about them
14:54:30 <mali> bot normal users doesnt do that apparently
14:54:37 <mali> *but
14:56:03 <mali> anyway, i love the stuff you create
14:57:56 <flo-retina> thanks :)
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18:58:32 <clokep> Hello. :)
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21:23:49 <clokep> mikeperry: FYI I talked to Nick last night and I think we're on the same page. :)
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21:52:15 <flo-retina> I've probably rebuilt libpurple tonight at least a dozen times already :-/
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21:53:33 <Mic> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today#m42 :(
21:53:59 <flo-retina> Mic: you like : s ?
21:54:02 <Mic> :) ;) :( and :s are the few smilies I actually use.
21:54:17 <flo-retina> Mic: I type it : - s
21:54:34 <flo-retina> I think having ':' + 'letter' as a smiley is a very bad idea
21:54:45 <Mic> Loo long :P (<- oh, another one!
21:54:49 <flo-retina> and I think I've argued about (against) it a few times in the past
21:55:06 <flo-retina> Mic: : D too
21:55:25 <Mic> hmm, I use that too. It seems the list was far from exhaustive...
21:55:32 <flo-retina> in other news, I think I've got a "working" version of the moz.build patch
21:55:46 <flo-retina> or at least, it just finished building libbonjour and libnull successfully :)
21:56:23 <flo-retina> I put quotes around working because that new build system didn't seem deterministic at all in some places :(
21:57:00 <Mic> I don't know the first thing about the build system...
21:57:10 <flo-retina> you are lucky!
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21:59:11 <Goofy> hi guys, a friend gives me his jabber address xxx@jabber.yyy how can I connect with him via instantbird? a quick guide for noob anywhere?
22:01:50 <flo-retina> Goofy: File -> Add Contact
22:02:20 <Goofy> ok then I drop the xmpp address ?
22:02:48 <flo-retina> you put the xmpp address in the "username" box, and select your xmpp account in the "accounts" list
22:05:33 <Goofy> mmh no I meant all I have is the jabber address 
22:05:47 <flo-retina> ha, you don't have any jabber account yet?
22:06:25 <Goofy> I think not
22:06:33 <flo-retina> not even a gmail account?
22:06:40 <Goofy> yes I have
22:06:47 <Goofy> a gmail one
22:07:11 <flo-retina> ok, so go to Tools -> Account. New Account. Select "Google Talk" and let the wizard guide you
22:07:43 <Goofy> oh I *already* have a gtalk account in my account list
22:07:56 <flo-retina> :)
22:08:13 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested feedback from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2972 on bug 2212.
22:08:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2212 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Switch to using moz.build
22:09:00 <Goofy> flo-retina: but my friend use a xxx@jabber.yyy address not a gmail one
22:09:34 <flo-retina> have you tried adding him as a Gtalk contact?
22:09:53 <Goofy> shall I do that? 
22:09:56 <Goofy> ok
22:09:58 <flo-retina> yes :)
22:15:47 <flo-retina> Goofy: I've got to go. Mic may be around for another few minutes if you need more help.
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22:16:04 <Goofy> thanks anyway :)
22:16:25 <Mic> Yes, I've got to write a few emails so I'll still be there for a while.
22:16:29 <Mic> Just ask...
22:17:01 <Mic> (and make sure to include my name so I get notified of the message;)
22:18:14 <Goofy> Mic: thx addding xxx@jabber.yyy to contacts for my gtalk account did not make any visible result (no new contact appearing in contact list
22:18:23 <Goofy> )
22:19:07 <Goofy> it seems all my other contacts in gtalk have a gmail address (which makes sense)
22:19:46 <Mic> Do you know that you can show and hide offline contacts? So if your new contact is offline and you've not selected "Show offline contacts" from the context menu of the contact list, then it will be hidden at the moment.
22:20:28 <Mic> We have a usability bug on file about that if I recall correctly.
22:21:36 <Goofy> aaah you are right, thanks a lot. This is it
22:22:09 <Goofy> yes he is probly offlien as greyout :)
22:22:36 <Goofy> thankas again, sorry for being so slow. good night
22:26:45 <Mic> No problem, no way to see that a contact was added is a bug that we should fix.
22:27:33 <Mic> Bug 1771
22:27:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1771 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Show that contact has been added to the contact list even when it is offline and "Show Offline Conta
22:28:49 <Mic> If you discover something that looks like a bug, file a bug report on our bugtracker  (see the topic for its adress), so that we know about it :)
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22:40:17 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 2972 on bug 2212.
22:40:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2212 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Switch to using moz.build
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22:46:50 <clokep> Goofy, Mic: I don't remember if federation between GTalk and Jabber still works or not.
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