#instantbird log on 10 15 2013

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00:32:14 <Omega> Hi, is anyone around? 
00:32:34 <clokep> Probably just me. :)
00:32:42 <Omega> hi clokep
00:32:45 <clokep> Mostly people in here are near UTC time.
00:32:50 <clokep> Um, "Most".
00:33:06 <clokep> What's up?
00:33:16 <clokep> Omega: Please do not private message me, we can talk in here.
00:33:29 <Omega> Oh, i am sorry
00:33:53 <clokep> No problem, just easier if everyone can see it. :)
00:33:58 <clokep> Better sharing of informaiton.
00:34:01 <clokep> What's your question?
00:34:06 <Omega> no,  it is business related and prefer not to do it in here
00:34:17 * clokep sighs.
00:34:20 <clokep> OK, ask me in a private message.
00:34:33 <Omega> ah, i left the de odd of my name
00:34:35 <Omega> deOmega
00:34:55 <clokep> Hmm...that would help
00:35:12 <clokep> You can privmsg me, but I'm going to disappear for a few minutes, I'll be back soon.
00:37:39 <Omega> OK,  tell you what,  I ill need more time than that .  I will try to catch you again
00:38:40 <Omega> take care
00:39:41 <clokep> Omega: OK, I'm back now. What's up?
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03:04:45 <instant-buildbot> build #1002 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1002
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06:44:19 <instant-buildbot> build #1124 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1124
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10:29:29 <clokep> Hello.
10:30:21 <flo-retina> the awesometab feels a lot more usable today
10:30:34 <flo-retina> I wouldn't go as far as saying 'jankfree', but it's usable :)
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10:30:47 <flo-retina> _delayedRefresh seems to now be ~60% of the time in my profile.
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11:06:14 <Usul> https://blog.thijsalkema.de/blog/2013/09/02/the-state-of-tls-on-xmpp-3/ no instant bird :(
11:08:22 <flo-retina> Usul: the author is an Adium developer, right?
11:08:44 <flo-retina> Usul: hello :)
11:08:48 <Usul> probably but he shows adium has bad
11:08:58 <Usul> Yes I should have started with hello
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11:09:02 <Usul> I apologize
11:09:12 <Usul> throwing a link in your face wasn't a the best thing to do
11:09:16 <flo-retina> I didn't mean you had to. I'm just happy to see you here :)
11:12:00 <Usul> :-)
11:12:25 <Usul> putain y a que des fransouze ici :-)
11:12:48 <Usul> I don't use adium anymore
11:12:57 <Usul> maybe I should give IB another spin
11:13:07 <flo-retina> sure, try Instantbird :)
11:13:29 <flo-retina> I would be surprised if more than half the people here were French these days
11:14:21 <flo-retina> just looked at the participant list, I see only 8 nicks of french people, out of 27 (if I exclude the 2 bots)
11:15:57 <Usul> It's because I'm from massilia
11:22:07 <Usul> done running IB again after a few months
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11:45:19 <clokep_work> Hello.
11:50:12 <clokep_work> Usul: Do you have concern that we're using a bad set of ciphers or just curious? :)
11:50:39 <Usul> I'm curious if you are or not
11:50:48 <Usul> and I'll beconcerned once I know :-p
11:51:42 <clokep_work> I think the list we support is http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/xmpp/xmpp-authmechs.jsm#137, but we only use PLAIN in certain situations. flo-retina would know. :P
12:02:22 <flo-retina> Usul: we have the same as Firefox, so it should be reasonable (I hope so at least)
12:02:59 <Usul> ok so it will become better - thanks
12:03:00 <flo-retina> clokep_work: no, the lists discussed in the blog post is the list of encryptions used when we do start TLS.
12:03:30 <flo-retina> hmm, it's possible that libpurple tweaks it; but that would only affect libpurple based protocol plugins
12:04:35 <flo-retina> alright, so libpurple as a list; and we ifdef'ed it out because NSS is already initialized by the mozilla platform: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libpurple/ssl-nss.c#124
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12:06:38 <clokep_work> Ah, I misunderstood. :)
12:06:45 * clokep_work only scanned thea rticle briefly.
12:06:57 <flo-retina> clokep_work: it's long and not very interesting
12:07:10 <flo-retina> (for me at least)
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14:11:50 <flo-retina> The awesome tab is now surprisingly useful :)
14:12:08 * flo-retina just typed Command+T # m e <enter> to open the #media channel.
14:12:24 <flo-retina> and if I had remembered the #-fix has landed, I could have saved one key :)
14:15:49 <clokep_work> :)
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14:24:10 <clokep_work> I haven't played with it too much.
14:24:16 <clokep_work> I tend to have only a few tabs open and not open new ones.
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16:47:01 * aleth received a "you can't LIST because you have used it recently" error message from freenode. Which is odd because I have not logged into freenode with that nick for quite some time. I wonder if they are matching IPs...
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16:49:21 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 2220 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
16:49:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2220 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Unhandled IRC message 263: LIST refused
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17:05:47 <clokep_work> aleth: Fun. :)
17:06:36 <aleth> I'm just surprised that nhnt11 never stumbled across that while testing ;)
17:08:07 <aleth> It may mean we should save LIST results to disk on shutdown, in case we can't get them the next time IB runs...
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17:45:33 <clokep_work> aleth: That sounds pretty gross. :(
17:49:58 <aleth> clokep_work: Yeah... let's not do it for now.
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18:06:50 <nhnt11> Hi!
18:07:44 <clokep_work> Hello nhnt11. :)
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18:26:53 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from nhnt11@gmail.com for attachment 2949 on bug 2214.
18:26:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2214 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, LIST results not added to awesometab
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18:28:27 <nhnt11> aleth: In your STR, do you mean "(quickly, before the account finishes connecting)"?
18:29:08 <aleth> Sorry, yes. When I filed the bug I misunderstood what was going on.
18:29:28 <nhnt11> Interesting, I never really experienced that bug. Thanks for fixing it :P
18:29:30 <nhnt11> :) *
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18:36:20 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2950 on bug 2220.
18:36:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2220 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Unhandled IRC message 263: LIST refused
18:37:01 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from nhnt11@gmail.com for attachment 2950 on bug 2220.
18:38:02 <nhnt11> aleth: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=2949&action=diff#a/instantbird/components/ibConvStatsService.js_sec4. Shouldn't the comment say we ensure the items are added for the existing tabs?
18:38:09 <nhnt11> Rather than "ensure we have it for this account"
18:38:15 * nhnt11 finds that sentence confusing
18:40:44 <aleth> "Ensure the existing newtabs have roomInfo for this account"?
18:41:21 <nhnt11> aleth: Sounds good. I suspect changing "ensure we" to "ensure they" would do the trick too
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18:42:51 <aleth> I think it's better to keep it explicit to avoid confusing someone else...
18:43:04 <nhnt11> Cool
18:43:47 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org cancelled review?(nhnt11@gmail.com) for attachment 2949 on bug 2214.
18:43:48 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from nhnt11@gmail.com for attachment 2951 on bug 2214.
18:43:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2214 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, LIST results not added to awesometab
18:46:28 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2951 on bug 2214.
18:46:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2214 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, LIST results not added to awesometab
18:46:39 <nhnt11> aleth: There's no way to tell observers that it failed, no.
18:46:54 <aleth> nhnt11: OK, so then that seems the best we can do.
18:47:05 <nhnt11> But we likely want to reset the last LIST time (or something) so that we will re-request after a while
18:47:29 <aleth> We don't know how quickly to re-request though?
18:49:14 <nhnt11> I'm not sure how long servers expect us to keep quiet..
18:49:17 <nhnt11> Hmm
18:49:55 * nhnt11 will wait for c lokep's opinion on this
18:50:13 <aleth> With the present patch, we will wait for another kListRefreshInterval before trying again.
18:50:46 <nhnt11> Yeah, which is likely too long
18:51:00 <aleth> 12 hours? I'm not sure...
18:51:01 <nhnt11> Er, scratch the likely, it's definitely too long
18:51:23 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied review for attachment 2950 on bug 2220.
18:51:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2220 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Unhandled IRC message 263: LIST refused
18:52:54 <nhnt11> I'll be back in about 20 minutes (but I'll likely go to bed soon after that)
18:55:29 <aleth> nhnt11: There's another review in your queue ;)
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18:56:00 <nhnt11> Uh
18:56:10 * nhnt11 can't find which one
18:56:25 <aleth> "My requests" in BIO is your friend ;)
18:56:32 <nhnt11> I'm going there now :P
18:57:13 <nhnt11> Ah
18:58:11 <nhnt11> aleth: Is bug 2217 visible to users?
18:58:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2217 min, --, ---, aleth, NEW, Newtab numberOfItemsToDisplay may grow much too large
18:59:11 <aleth> nhnt11: I'm not sure. Certainly in that it might slow things down a bit by adding too many items
18:59:39 <nhnt11> aleth: The this.hasMoreConversations check should prevent that
18:59:52 <aleth> Only if new entries aren't being added.
18:59:59 <aleth> It's pretty trivial, I agree.
19:00:06 <aleth> Just trying to prevent weird edge cases ;)
19:00:14 <nhnt11> Ah
19:00:18 <nhnt11> Yeah, worth fixing anyways
19:00:19 <nhnt11> Thanks
19:01:34 * nhnt11 will have another go at bug 2208 tomorrow, hopefully
19:01:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2208 nor, --, ---, nhnt11, ASSI, Show a notification bar in the awesometab while log sweeping.
19:01:58 <aleth> Shouldn't take long I think ;)
19:02:10 <aleth> Take another look at the a11y bug too, to check for strings.
19:02:19 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2946 on bug 2217.
19:02:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2217 min, --, ---, aleth, NEW, Newtab numberOfItemsToDisplay may grow much too large
19:02:25 <aleth> (Stuff that is read out to screen reader users is also a string...)
19:02:31 <nhnt11> Yeah.
19:04:51 <nhnt11> bbl
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19:25:08 <clokep_work> aleth: So I want that comment expanded since I assume we can get that message for multiple types of commands, does that make sense?
19:26:04 <aleth> clokep_work: Expanding the comment is no problem. My question is how soon we should (at the earliest) try LIST again?
19:29:11 <aleth> Given that if we get that message, the server won't likely kick us, we could try again in an hour?
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19:45:42 <clokep_work> aleth: Ah, if we want to actually try again...sure that seems reasonable.
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19:59:31 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org cancelled review?(nhnt11@gmail.com) for attachment 2950 on bug 2220.
19:59:32 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2952 on bug 2220.
19:59:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2220 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Unhandled IRC message 263: LIST refused
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20:08:00 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied review for attachment 2952 on bug 2220.
20:08:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2220 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Unhandled IRC message 263: LIST refused
20:13:06 <clokep_work> aleth: I hope that's not too harsh. :)
20:16:21 <aleth> clokep_work: heh, not really considering the missing export etc ;)
20:16:37 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested review from jamie@nvaccess.org for attachment 2953 on bug 2158.
20:16:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2158 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, [a11y] Ensure the newtab is accessible
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20:33:39 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2954 on bug 2220.
20:33:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2220 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Unhandled IRC message 263: LIST refused
21:04:52 * flo-retina shrugs at the patch in bug 2158. Do we know if blind users see typography mistakes (ie. do we need to use a localized string there?)
21:04:54 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 2221 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
21:04:55 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from nhnt11@gmail.com for attachment 2955 on bug 2221.
21:05:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2158 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, [a11y] Ensure the newtab is accessible
21:05:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2221 nor, --, ---, aleth, NEW, Force-refresh open newtabs less frequently during LIST
21:05:05 <flo-retina> I'm happy to ignore it if we feel this isn't necessary
21:05:32 <aleth> I suppose that's why Mic requested r?jamie
21:06:39 <Mic> flo-retina: the typography mistake is the missing space before : in french?
21:06:47 <flo-retina> Mic: yes
21:07:55 <Mic> We didn't localize it in the accessibility label of contacts in the contact list either by the way.
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21:09:58 <Mic> aleth, flo-retina: do you agree with the reasoning for swapping the status text and info text for chats?
21:10:33 <flo-retina> Mic: fair enough.
21:10:41 <aleth> Mic: Didn't jamie request that?
21:10:50 <flo-retina> Mic: I haven't read enough of the bug to have an opinion.
21:10:59 <flo-retina> Mic: I just looked at the patch to see what code it was touching
21:11:55 <aleth> I haven't taken a close look, but it seems to makes sense.
21:12:34 <aleth> Thanks for taking care of a11y :)
21:12:51 * aleth still has no clue what to do about the mutationobserver regression
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21:20:19 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 2222 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
21:20:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2222 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add unread message counters to existing conv items in the newtab
21:25:32 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com granted review for attachment 2944 on bug 2177.
21:25:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2177 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Remove unnecessary sorting of tag list
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21:59:58 <Mic> Good night
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22:59:52 <instantbot> jamie@nvaccess.org granted review for attachment 2953 on bug 2158.
22:59:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2158 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, [a11y] Ensure the newtab is accessible
23:14:07 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/07a1735a279f - aleth - Bug 2177 - Remove unnecessary sorting of tag list, r=Mic.
23:14:08 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/f906d3449f66 - aleth - Bug 2214 - LIST results not added to awesometab, r=nhnt11.
23:14:09 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/9af8f02439ac - aleth - Bug 2217 - Newtab numberOfItemsToDisplay may grow much too large, r=nhnt11.
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23:21:30 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 2177 to FIXED.
23:21:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2177 nor, --, 1.5, aleth, RESO FIXED, Remove unnecessary sorting of tag list
23:21:41 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 2217 to FIXED.
23:21:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2217 min, --, 1.5, aleth, RESO FIXED, Newtab numberOfItemsToDisplay may grow much too large
23:22:41 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 2214 to FIXED.
23:22:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2214 nor, --, 1.5, aleth, RESO FIXED, LIST results not added to awesometab
23:34:14 <instant-buildbot> build #480 of win32-onCommit is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/480  blamelist: aleth <aleth@instantbird.org>
23:39:13 <instant-buildbot> build #493 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/493