#instantbird log on 09 30 2013

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00:44:03 <clokep_wp8> Yoric: What IRC client do you use?
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03:02:37 <instant-buildbot> build #986 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/986
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03:31:13 <instant-buildbot> build #1009 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [failed shell_3]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/1009
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08:35:30 <flo-retina> clokep_work: '/version' says "ZNC 1.1 - http://znc.in"
08:36:03 <flo-retina> I wonder if there could be poor interactions between ZNC and us auto-listing.
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08:50:06 <Yoric> clokep_work: I'm using InstantBird + znc.
08:50:07 <Mic> Is Yori c using a recent nightly build with ZNC then?
08:57:01 <flo-retina> Yoric: just so you know why we are asking: yesterday's IRC log looked like: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/yesterday#m79
08:57:19 <Yoric> Oh.
08:57:28 <flo-retina> is your ZNC running on a machine with very low bandwidth?
08:57:44 <Yoric> Oh, actually, my bad, I'm using InstantBird on other channels. On this channel, I'm using LimeChat.
08:57:50 <Yoric> But anyway, the problem is probably znc-side.
08:57:58 <Yoric> It's running from people.mozilla.com
08:58:26 <flo-retina> ok, so it should have a pretty good bandwidth with irc.mozilla.org :)
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09:00:37 <Yoric> Hopefully.
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12:29:29 <flo-retina> a Windows nightly is currently being uploaded :).
12:32:58 <instant-buildbot> build #1105 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1105
12:39:03 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 2189 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
12:39:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2189 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, package-manifest:35: Missing file(s): bin/uninstall/helper.exe
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12:52:21 <flo-retina> http://minus.com/lbvfIdk9IoVgjn feels wrong
12:52:50 <flo-retina> I know we discussed it several times, but it's the first time I 'see' it (as in go look at the logs and get confused by the sections).
12:53:25 <flo-retina> Maybe it's more confusing because we are Monday and none of the last 7 days are actually part of 'this week'.
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13:44:11 <qheaden> Hello everyone.
13:45:40 <flo-retina> qheaden: good morning :)
13:46:07 <qheaden> Hey flo-retina.
13:46:20 <qheaden> I know I've been absent for a few days. :P
13:46:27 <qheaden> Was very busy last week.
13:50:28 <flo-retina> "I know I've been absent for a few days." well, I didn't know. Weren't you using a bouncer to stay around? :)
13:53:22 <qheaden> flo-retina: Yeah.
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13:53:52 <qheaden> I'm actually at work at my university right now. :P
13:54:08 <qheaden> They give us projects to do as part of our job.
13:54:24 <qheaden> So I hope to do my Ib development when I get some time.
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18:45:48 * flo-retina would like it if aleth could confirm that the packaging bug is satisfyingly fixed
18:47:24 <aleth> flo-retina: oh, I missed that! Let me do a fresh install and check (I doubt the excess files get removed automatically)
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18:47:41 <flo-retina> aleth: they should be removed automatically
18:47:58 <flo-retina> (only if you updated to the first nightly that included the fix using a partial update file though)
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18:49:30 <aleth> flo-retina: Looks good :)
18:49:40 <flo-retina> cool :)
18:49:57 <flo-retina> (while you were restarting, I was saying that they could have been removed automatically)
18:50:28 <aleth> They weren't.
18:50:47 <aleth> Some messages in the error console I haven't noticed before: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/367217
18:51:20 <aleth> (It probably wasn't a partial update then)
18:51:45 <flo-retina> ah, I also wanted to ask if you still see the 'duplicate registration' warnings you were seeing
18:51:53 <flo-retina> please close the bug if it's fixed :)
18:52:39 <aleth> flo-retina: The 'duplicate registration' warnings are gone (those were due to the packaging)
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18:53:31 <aleth> Sounds like you had a battle with the build system :-/
18:54:08 <flo-retina> yeah, I still need to explain in the bug the possible approaches to 'move forward' in the configure bug
18:55:25 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 2144 to FIXED.
18:55:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2144 nor, --, ---, florian, RESO FIXED, Packaging incorrect since moz23
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20:25:49 <kkirill> hello, all
20:26:10 <aleth> kkirill: hi :)
20:26:50 <kkirill> I've installed a nightly version of Instantbrid on Windows at work to have awesome tab from http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/latest-trunk/
20:27:37 <kkirill> everything works smooth, but too large font size due to my system font settings
20:28:31 <kkirill> I use Firefox & Thunderbird and there is an add-on to change intrface font size to solve the problem described in https://support.mozilla.org/ru/questions/963261
20:28:36 <aleth> kkirill: Do you mean this problem https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=935
20:28:39 <instantbot> Bug 935 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, em and pt usage in CSS causes size/alignment errors for certain font sizes and DPI settings
20:30:50 <kkirill> the problem is wider now, because not only the contact list is affected, but the conversation dialog, tabs are big and icons are blurry
20:31:01 <aleth> kkirill: Could you post a screenshot?
20:31:18 <aleth> If you'd like to try that add-on as a workaround, this might be useful https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Porting_Firefox_Extensions
20:32:22 <kkirill> aleth: sorry, I can't. I'm at home now and I have Linux and no such problems here
20:33:02 <kkirill> but it is exactly the same issue as it was with firefox 22 and thunderbird 24
20:33:51 <aleth> Have those issues been fixed for FX/TB or do you need to use that add-on to "fix" them?
20:33:56 <aleth> It would help us to figure out what is going on if you filed a bug on our bugzilla (link in the topic) with a screenshot attached, when you have a moment
20:34:56 * clokep_work wonders if there is a BMO bug.
20:35:59 <kkirill> I have no choice but to use https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/theme-font-size-changer/ on both Firefox and Thunderbird
20:36:19 <kkirill> I've seen people who switched off the Firefox because of that
20:36:27 <flo-retina> since moz24, Mozilla displays correctly the scrollbars on recent Mac OS X versions; that is, they appear only when scrolling... which happens a lot automatically with time Bubbles, and makes the scrollbar blink at lot :(
20:36:58 <aleth> kkirill: My guess would be it's probably not hard to get that add-on to run in IB, but it would be better to figure out the underlying issue too ;)
20:38:00 <kkirill> they claimed that they support system DPI settings
20:38:27 <kkirill> but I don't like huge bars and huge blurred icons
20:39:03 <kkirill> https://support.cdn.mozilla.net/media/uploads/images/2013-06-30-12-02-30-1757e3.png
20:39:12 <kkirill> it is from http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=2724257
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20:40:07 <aleth> Sounds a bit like a similar issue to OSX Retina resolution without retina support ;)
20:40:45 <kkirill> and my Instantbird looks like the firefox in the first ugly screenshot
20:41:02 <kkirill> I'll try to hack the addon
20:41:11 <Mook_as> kkirill: does setting the devPixelsPerPx pref help?
20:41:20 <aleth> https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Porting_Firefox_Extensions
20:41:28 * clokep_work sighs at the name of that preference.
20:41:30 <aleth> Oops, I already posted that.
20:41:38 <Mook_as> (Tools, Options, Advanced, Config Editor, filter by devPixelsPerPx, set to 1)
20:41:43 <kkirill> Mook_as: yep, it fixes icons and tabs, but it makes interface font too small
20:41:51 <Mook_as> huh, okay
20:42:02 <kkirill> so I need the addon to make it bigger again
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20:43:48 <flo-retina> the blinking scrollbar is very distracting so I guess I now understand why some people were pissed off by the stuff moving 1px up automatically if they notice it...
20:44:30 <flo-retina> I wonder if we should kill the timer, and just update the time between the last bubble and the input box when switching back and forth between tabs
20:44:53 <Mook_as> fwiw, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/themes/osx/global/nativescrollbars.css#26 is related to your fun mac scrollbars - well, the -moz-overlay-scrollbars, really
20:44:54 <flo-retina> that auto-scrolling 'for no reason' has been one of the most frequent complaints with time bubbles
20:44:57 <aleth> A blinking scrollbar sounds awful
20:45:43 <aleth> flo-retina: Maybe we should not autoscroll (but add the increased space silently), until the time text appears, then scroll
20:46:17 <flo-retina> what would be the point of adding the space silently if it's not going to be visible?
20:46:27 <aleth> It's visible once the next bubble is added
20:46:36 <flo-retina> not true
20:47:02 <flo-retina> the space between that bubble and the next bubble is the margin-top of the next bubble
20:47:18 <aleth> Yes
20:47:21 <flo-retina> the size that changes automatically with a timer is the height of a special <p> node that never moves
20:48:05 <aleth> That's what I meant - don't change the height of the p node until we actually add text, only change the margintop of the next bubble as we do already
20:49:10 <flo-retina> aleth: I think we could still do the sizing of the p node like currently when switching back and forth between tabs
20:50:03 <aleth> Yes, but it might be hassle to implement ;)
20:50:11 <flo-retina> aleth: it's already implemented
20:50:19 <aleth> Or is the visiblity flag thing enough for that?
20:50:22 <flo-retina> aleth: because we kill the timers when switching away from a tab to save resources
20:50:45 <flo-retina> so when switching back to the tab we currently have to force an update _and_ restart the timer
20:50:58 <aleth> Ah right.
20:51:16 <flo-retina> I think the change I'm suggesting is mostly a code removla
20:51:20 <flo-retina> *removal
20:52:27 <aleth> ah, it uses document.hidden for that. I forgot about that.
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20:52:59 <flo-retina> aleth: "It doesn't break anything, but it does cause those warnings from comment 0." maybe we could remove-file the specific file that's causing this, rather than the whole list of test binaries?
20:53:52 <flo-retina> (I would have expected that file to be inside omni.ja and thus to be removed automatically, but I may be wrong
20:54:44 <aleth> If there was a duplicate manifest file, that should work
20:58:08 <kkirill> aleth: thanks for help, this extension works like a charm in Instantbird after fixing install.rdf
20:58:26 <aleth> kkirill: great :)
20:58:38 <kkirill> one thing I can't open dialog for customizing so I've change defaults in js file
21:01:21 <flo-retina> "dialog for customizing", do you just mean about:config ?
21:02:13 <aleth> flo-retina: I am also puzzled by that. The issue was caused by omni.ja/components/components.manifest listing each file twice. An update should fix that. (Maybe it will, for everyone else?)
21:02:23 <kkirill> no, the addon have dialog for customizing in Tools menu
21:02:45 <kkirill> > Tools Option: Choose Tools menu from Thunderbird Menu Bar and click on the Theme Font & Size Changer option. It will open up Theme Font & Size Changer settings panel. 
21:02:58 <aleth> kkirill: IB also has a Tools menu, so what goes wrong?
21:03:13 <clokep_work> aleth: The overlay isn't going to work in Instantbird.
21:03:19 <clokep_work> Our tools menu is different.
21:03:32 <kkirill> there is the menu, but no item
21:04:34 <aleth> clokep_work: So kkirill would have to tweak the chrome overlay by hand to add the menu item
21:05:02 <clokep_work> Yes.
21:05:08 <clokep_work> That's my guess without looking at any code. ;)
21:05:13 <aleth> Shame they didn't use inline options :P
21:05:16 <clokep_work> There's probably separate overlays for Fx and Tb.
21:05:35 <aleth> kkirill: If you'd like to fix this, look inside the chrome directory...
21:07:01 <kkirill> no, I'm fine with editing defaults.js
21:07:32 <kkirill> I've added a comment, maybe addon maintainer will add instantbird support too: http://barisderin.com/?p=287&cpage=3#comment-24909
21:12:25 <kkirill> BTW, does Instantbird support  single window mode?
21:13:10 <aleth> Not yet... but there is some interest in it ;)
21:13:25 <Mook_as> thunderbird does!
21:13:36 <Mook_as> (and it doesn't support multi-window mode)
21:15:28 <kkirill> thunderbird doesn't have any visible chat notifications, so it is not far from useless
21:16:09 <kkirill> and its contact search in chat is not usable
21:16:21 <kkirill> because there is no such search :)
21:16:56 <clokep_work> We don't have a search either.
21:17:10 <kkirill> awesome tab?
21:18:31 <aleth> kkirill: ah yes, you are using the nightly :D
21:19:58 <kkirill> it was really genius idea, I really like it
21:20:10 <aleth> Ranking should land soon and make it even better
21:20:47 <Mic> nhnt11: ^ :)
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21:26:05 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2913 on bug 2159.
21:26:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2159 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Port |Bug 884319 - Add http.jsm to toolkit for usage by Thunderbird FileLink, Lightning and Instantb
21:28:46 <kkirill> sorry, I'm really new in Instantbird. Does it have some pop-up notifications like thunderbird for emails?
21:29:39 <aleth> Does Preferences->General do what you want?
21:30:04 <aleth> There's also some related add-ons afaik
21:32:00 <clokep_work> Buddy Status.
21:32:44 <aleth> And one that notifies you for each IRC message or something
21:40:49 <kkirill> wow, very cool, it seems I've everything I need at the moment :)
21:41:05 <kkirill> thank you for assistance 
21:41:09 * flo-retina finds it cool to have people using Instantbird because of the awesometab even before it's released :)
21:41:29 <flo-retina> (and even before it's fully awesome :-D)
21:41:36 <aleth> Definitely :)
21:41:49 <flo-retina> and I really need to review that patch
21:41:56 <aleth> We'll just have to call it the awesomertab ;)
21:42:11 <flo-retina> I was planning on spending the whole evening on it, but a nice movie on TV with plenty of cars from the 60s caught me :-]
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21:46:13 * flo-retina hopes the ranking code is awesome thanks to aleth's reviews and can just be r+'ed
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22:05:34 <flo-retina> is there anything in that log sweeping code that couldn't be done in a worker?
22:07:41 <aleth> I'm not sure (never looked into workers). One of the reasons I asked you to take another look at the patch was that I wasn't sure about the balance between "good enough to land/improve in followups" and "make more changes"
22:09:22 <aleth> What's the advantage of a worker compared to the async OS.File/promises?
22:09:45 <flo-retina> aleth: the code is way easier to follow
22:10:05 <flo-retina> no nested callbacks, etc... we can do everything synchronously
22:10:29 <flo-retina> and also, stuff like "JSON.parse" is done synchronously on the main thread with the current approach
22:10:53 <aleth> That does sound much more readable than OS.File
22:11:02 <flo-retina> it's OS.File too
22:11:10 <flo-retina> but the API is a bit different when using it on a worker
22:11:26 <flo-retina> well, it's rather than its sync API is allowed :)
22:11:59 <aleth> Sounds like I should read up on workers...
22:12:12 <aleth> Might be useful for some other bottlenecks too
22:12:40 <flo-retina> mostly for stuff that doesn't really need to touch the UI
22:13:25 <flo-retina> so I think we likely don't want a worker yet for log sweeping because they can't access mozStorage in moz24, and we will need it for log indexing
22:14:02 <aleth> Maybe we should leave that rewrite for the log indexing then
22:14:26 <aleth> (as that may well replace that part of code anyway)
22:14:52 <clokep_work> It'd be convenient if workers could use XPCOM. :(
22:15:10 <flo-retina> that used to work ;)
22:17:08 <Mook_as> pyxpcom also works, for some value of work ;)
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22:20:11 <clokep_work> I know it used to work. I never understood why they dropped support for it. :(
22:20:23 <clokep_work> (I mean, I assume it was too hard to keep working or something.)
22:24:03 <Mook_as> My understanding was that it was because refcounts are not threadsafe by default, so anytime people tried to do anything it lead to intermittent crashes
22:24:57 <flo-retina> Mook_as: I would have expected workers to only be allowed to access thread safe classes (which obviously restricts to "not much" what's available), so refcounts should be safe there
22:25:25 <Mook_as> yeah, but you can't *tell* a class is threadsafe until you've instantiated it and QIed to nsIClassInfo
22:25:39 <Mook_as> at which point it might inevitably blow up...
22:26:34 <flo-retina> I'm not completely convinced that necessarily true
22:26:53 <flo-retina> (it definitely seems likely true for the usual implementation though)
22:28:45 <Mook_as> oh, I'm just describing the sad world that exists, I'm sure there are more useful things with an API change
22:31:42 <flo-retina> I've reviewed the first half of the ranking patch and found only 2 very tiny nits. Can I decide the second half is as good, and go to bed? :-D
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22:37:54 * clokep_work starts to make the first half of his patches perfect. :)
22:38:17 <flo-retina> ah, I think I've found a reasonable reason to r-
22:38:54 * flo-retina decides to focus only on the second halves of clokep_work's patches
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22:59:48 * clokep_work works on only the second half of his reviews. ;)
22:59:55 <clokep_work> s/reviews/patches/
23:17:02 <flo-retina> hmm, someone should file a bug to get names added in the credits before 1.5
23:17:13 <flo-retina> (and mark it 1.5-blocking of course)
23:21:57 <clokep_work> We have a lot of Quentins that help us...
23:26:33 <clokep_work> flo-retina: What's our threshold for including someone?
23:26:54 <flo-retina> 2-3 patches?
23:27:09 <flo-retina> I was mostly thinking of adding the names of our 2 GSoC students
23:27:18 * clokep_work is just checking other people. :)
23:27:51 <flo-retina> and yes, this project attracts Quentins!
23:29:04 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 2910 on bug 2143.
23:29:05 <flo-retina> I'm glad to get this out of my queue :)
23:29:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2143 enh, --, ---, nhnt11, NEW, Stats service should maintain statistical data for conversations and use it for sorting.
23:30:16 <flo-retina> I don't expect my comments to take more than 10 minutes or so to address, so unless things go awfully wrong if/when I test it locally, it's likely to land tomorrow
23:30:26 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 2190 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
23:30:27 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2914 on bug 2190.
23:30:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2190 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Update the credits for Instantbird 1.5
23:31:42 <clokep_work> Filed with a patch. ;)
23:32:28 <flo-retina> clokep_work: thanks! :)
23:33:18 <clokep_work> That'll most likely be my first patch checked in in a VERY long time. :(
23:33:20 <flo-retina> clokep_work: we usually don't include the middle name initial, right?
23:33:33 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I wasn't sure what we do for things like that. :)
23:33:49 <clokep_work> I'm not sure if anyone else even uses their middle initial.
23:33:52 <flo-retina> I suspect more than half the people in that list have a middle name
23:34:03 <clokep_work> Yes, but I don't use mine ever. :)
23:34:08 <clokep_work> I can remove it, it's easy enough.
23:35:10 <clokep_work> BOOM!
23:35:22 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 2914 on bug 2190.
23:35:23 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2915 on bug 2190.
23:35:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2190 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update the credits for Instantbird 1.5
23:35:37 <flo-retina> the concept of "middle name" on US forms confused me; in France we just have several given names (if the parents felt like giving more than one).
23:35:53 * flo-retina has 4 given names.
23:36:28 <clokep_work> Interesting.
23:36:30 * Mook_as thought that was just non-first non-surname
23:37:11 <clokep_work> I always just assumed the middle name existed as a type of compromise between parents who can't agree on names. ;)
23:37:30 <flo-retina> -> #chatdev :-D
23:38:48 <qheaden> Hello.
23:39:15 <clokep_work> Hello qheaden .
23:39:51 <flo-retina> I guess I also need to file an 1.5-blocking bug to get that scrollbar to stop blinking
23:39:59 <qheaden> clokep_work: Sorry I haven't written any patches lately. Been real busy adjusting to my new schedule.
23:40:17 <clokep_work> qheaden: I haven't either. :P
23:40:22 <qheaden> :P
23:45:57 <clokep_work> qheaden: Did we file a  bug about libpurple commands still existing when the libpurple prpl is preffed off?
23:46:01 <clokep_work> (It should block Bug 2052 - Add a way to pref off JS prpls, r=clokep. )
23:46:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2052 enh, --, 1.5, florian, RESO FIXED, Add a way to pref off JS prpls.
23:46:32 <qheaden> clokep_work: I'm not sure.
23:46:58 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 2147 to FIXED.
23:47:01 <flo-retina> clokep_work: are you granting review to the patch before it's even written now?
23:47:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2147 nor, --, 1.5, aleth, RESO FIXED, Bubbles' last message sometimes doesn't auto-scroll
23:47:28 * clokep_work is confused. :-S
23:47:32 <flo-retina> bah, what was a bug at the time may soon become the 'expected' behavior :-/
23:47:55 <clokep_work> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ib-c-c-merge-6 seems to say that that bug is fixed.
23:47:58 <clokep_work> And should be closed.
23:48:07 <flo-retina> yeah, it's fixed
23:48:24 <flo-retina> but now we will just do purposefully the opposite :-/
23:48:42 <clokep_work> That's not my problem. ;)
23:48:45 <clokep_work> I'm just cleaning up bugs.
23:48:52 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(aleth@instantbird.o rg) for attachment 2813 on bug 2147.
23:49:56 <clokep_work> What bug added debug logs? :-S
23:50:14 <flo-retina> clokep_work: Tb24 already has debug logging, but no UI for it.
23:50:31 <flo-retina> (ie. it was just wasting memory :-P)
23:52:08 <clokep_work> Ah, OK.