#instantbird log on 05 17 2013

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00:17:26 <Mook_as> as a stupid workaround, have a python script or something that spawns the scp command, and print something every 5 seconds until it dies?
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02:06:19 <instant-buildbot> build #5 of win32-release-1.4 is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-release-1.4/builds/5
02:06:28 <clokep> :-D
02:07:26 <clokep> Linux RCs: http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/1.4-candidates/2013-05-16-22-instantbird/
02:07:26 <clokep> Windows RCs: http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/1.4-candidates/2013-05-16-23-instantbird/
02:07:32 <clokep> No Mac RCs yet, as florian mentioned.
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02:24:44 <instant-buildbot> build #3 of macosx-release-1.4 is complete: Failure [failed shell_3]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-release-1.4/builds/3
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02:48:36 <clokep> I'm really confused by the icons of a release edition of Instantbird. :P
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04:26:14 <DGMurdockIII> hey
04:26:19 <DGMurdockIII> long time nosee
04:26:23 <DGMurdockIII> no see
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07:31:47 <atuljangra> what was the command to just build ib stuff?
07:31:53 <atuljangra> and not the whole mozilla
07:31:58 <atuljangra> nhnt11: ^
07:32:07 <atuljangra> instantbot: hey
07:32:08 <instantbot> atuljangra! dude!
07:32:18 <atuljangra> instantbot: ssup?
07:32:21 <instantbot> atuljangra: Sorry, I've no idea what 'ssup' might be.
07:32:27 <atuljangra> instantbot: how are you?
07:32:28 <instantbot> atuljangra: fine thanks! I've been up 13 days so far!
07:32:46 <atuljangra> instantbot: great. :)
07:32:49 <instantbot> atuljangra: Sorry, I've no idea what ':)' might be.
07:32:50 <instantbot> atuljangra: iirc, :) is a normal smiley face
07:33:16 <Mook> make -C objdir/instantbird or something like that?
07:33:21 <Mook> I dunno, haven't built in ages
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07:34:20 <atuljangra> Mook: trying tha out. :)
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08:13:39 <atuljangra> I'm getting this error while doing 'python client.py checkout' http://pastebin.instantbird.com/197734
08:13:42 <atuljangra> Any idea?
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08:18:43 * atuljangra wanted to fix a bug, but broke his tree somehow :(
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08:51:58 <aleth> Thanks flo and Even for fixing the build system! :)
08:53:29 <atuljangra> aleth: Can you look at the http://pastebin.instantbird.com/197734 . 
08:54:32 <aleth> atuljangra: I can't help you with that, sorry
08:54:37 <aleth> Mic maybe?
08:55:26 <atuljangra> okay. I'll look for mic :)
08:55:28 <aleth> Oh, he left
08:55:29 <atuljangra> Thanks :)
08:55:41 <aleth> flo or clokep too of course...
08:56:06 <atuljangra> nobody here, I should come back in few hours.
08:56:36 <aleth> Btw I saw in the logs you were working on an IRC patch. Don't be surprised if it takes quite a few r- cycles, that's the nature of IRC ;)
08:56:50 <aleth> i.e. don't get disheartened by it :D
08:58:20 <atuljangra> aleth: okay :) Thanks :)
08:58:44 <aleth> "easy" things turn out not to be etc...
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08:59:18 <atuljangra> yes, there are minute details which are needed to be handled in such cases/
09:01:33 <Mic> Hi
09:01:44 <Mic> Let me look at your problem...
09:02:01 <atuljangra> thanks :)
09:04:14 <nhnt11> atuljangra: That's a very weird error
09:04:26 <nhnt11> Request-URI too long :o
09:04:40 <atuljangra> nhnt11: exactly
09:04:52 <nhnt11> And yes the command is $make -C objdir/path/to/dir
09:04:55 <Mic> Which version of hg are you using?
09:05:12 <atuljangra> Mercurial Distributed SCM (version 2.0.2)
09:05:46 <aleth> That's quite old afaik
09:05:56 <Mic> I haven't updated recently and I am on 2.5.1, so maybe you'd like to update and check again
09:06:35 <nhnt11> I'm on 2.5.2
09:06:57 <atuljangra> oka. updating
09:07:06 <Mic> I've found a bug on BMO that reported the same(?) problem and the reporter had also an outdated version of HG
09:07:35 * aleth has to update MathJax :-/
09:07:43 <nhnt11> atuljangra: http://code.google.com/p/support/issues/detail?id=3887
09:08:05 <nhnt11> A comment on that page says mercurial has problems with many heads on a repo
09:08:18 <nhnt11> Seems like it may be fixed in new versions, so an update will probably help.
09:08:41 <atuljangra> ok, but that shouldn;t be a pbm in my case.
09:10:41 * nhnt11 needs to update his tree too
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09:32:39 <novabyte> hey all, newbie to this channel :)
09:33:06 <novabyte> I was searching on the Instantbird main website for the repository for the codebase
09:33:15 <novabyte> I thought I'd poke around a little
09:33:20 <Mic> Hi novabyte
09:33:22 <novabyte> and see if I can help
09:33:28 <novabyte> but I couldn't find it :'(
09:33:31 <Mic> Have a look at our wiki then! :)
09:33:40 <Mic> http://wiki.instantbird.org
09:33:56 <novabyte> ah ok, is the codebase on GitHub?
09:34:29 <aleth> novabyte: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/
09:34:46 <Mic> No, have a look at the "Useful links" section to get an idea what's there and where it is located.
09:34:51 <Mic> *article
09:34:51 <aleth> We don't use Github.
09:35:27 <novabyte> ok, thank you to you both
09:35:34 <novabyte> I'll take a wander
09:36:51 <Mic> Is there anything particular that you're interested in?
09:38:03 <novabyte> well, tbh I'm using it at the moment and prefer it to Adium (believe it or not) on the Mac
09:38:32 <Mic> Nice to hear that :)
09:38:50 <novabyte> and so I checked the About dialog and saw that it said contributors from 2007-2012
09:39:17 <novabyte> and thought I'll submit a pull request to bump that number, it'll give me an excuse to dig around the code
09:39:41 <novabyte> and thus, I checked the website and googled for your IRC channel :)
09:39:44 <Mic> hehe
09:40:09 <Mic> Just ask if you've got a question. We're pretty nice and helpful, usually ;)
09:40:56 <novabyte> it's also cool that you're not all US bound
09:41:12 <novabyte> I find most IRC tech channels come alive as I go to sleep :'(
09:41:34 <novabyte> (I'm UK based)
09:42:41 <novabyte> Mic: thanks :)
09:45:17 <Mic> If there is anything in IB that is annoying you, a bug in your opinion or could use an enhancement, then this might be a good place to start if you want to contribute something.
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09:46:20 <Mic> It helps with motivation if it's not some bug that you've never seen and just picked from a bugtracker ;)
09:46:34 <novabyte> Mic: ok, cool. is it the usual submit bug, work on bug, branch and then request for review?
09:47:32 <Mic> Yes :)
09:48:10 <Mic> I've never used branches. Mercurial patch queues though.
09:48:11 <aleth> novabyte: Check out fixed bugs on our bugzilla for examples!
09:48:45 <novabyte> aleth: ok, I'll check it out
09:49:06 <novabyte> let's see if I can build it on my Mac first
09:49:20 <novabyte> time to go dependency hunting
09:49:35 <novabyte> (hopefully homebrew has most of them)
09:50:44 <Mic> You've seen the "Compiling" article on the wiki?
09:51:46 <novabyte> yep, using that at the moment
09:52:52 <Mic> If something's not working while the article says that it should, then let us know ;)
09:53:18 <novabyte> Mic: will do ;)
09:53:20 <Mic> Ah, clokep updated it recently, so hopefully everything is fine :)
09:55:43 <Mic> Reminds me of the good practice to file a bug if in doubt if something's working correctly.
09:56:11 <Mic> We can always just close it as "works for me", "invalid", "..." if it wasn't necessary eventually.
09:58:21 <novabyte> Mic: do I need a `.mozconfig` ?
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10:11:58 <flo-retina> hg's "abort: HTTP Error 414: Request-URI Too Long" error is usually that hg needs to be updated, as someone already suggested
10:12:22 <flo-retina> the command to rebuild only ib stuff and not the whole mozilla is |make ib| or |make tier_app| in the objdir
10:12:54 <flo-retina> rebuilding only the instantbird/ folder won't rebuild changes in chat/ or purple/
10:13:33 <flo-retina> and... I'm trying to review a pull request on github, and to not troll about how... hmm... not-to-my-liking the UI is.
10:15:44 <Mic> novabyte: I used a mozconfig from clokep last time I tried to build
10:15:51 <Mic> I think you can find it somewhere in https://bitbucket.org/clokep
10:16:11 <Mic> (sorry for the pings)
10:17:02 <Mic> I'm away for lunch and the afternoon now, have a nice day and good luck with your build!
10:17:06 <novabyte> Mic: thanks, I'll have a look through clokep's repos
10:17:10 <novabyte> thanks
10:17:15 * clokep has a super out of date hg. ;)
10:17:19 <clokep> Like 1.7.*
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10:18:05 <clokep> novabyte: My mozconfig is at https://bitbucket.org/clokep/instantbird-patches/src/tip/mozconfig?at=default
10:18:22 <novabyte> clokep: thanks :)
10:18:52 <clokep> novabyte: And I think you were discussing bug 1864 earlier. ;)
10:18:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update copyright year for 2013
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10:19:49 <novabyte> clokep: i figured it was on the pipeline ;)
10:20:14 <novabyte> hadn't looked through the issue tracker yet
10:23:00 <clokep> That change is already in the nightly builds.
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10:26:13 <clokep> atuljangra: Check the logs.
10:31:12 <clokep> Hmm...being in #chatzilla was just useful to me...for once. ;)
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10:34:25 <clokep> flo-retina: So what's our plan for release then?
10:35:04 <novabyte> clokep: thanks for the vertical tabs plugin by the way ;)
10:35:41 <clokep> novabyte: Enjoy. :)
10:36:00 <Mic> bye
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10:39:59 <atuljangra> clokep: doing :-)
10:44:03 <clokep> atuljangra: Great! Let us know if you have more questions.
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11:34:19 <flo-retina> clokep1: #chatzilla? Useful? What?!?!
11:34:25 <Huvik> :D
11:34:56 <flo-retina> clokep1: about the release plans. I'm uploading the Mac rc. It should be finished in less than one hour. Then we need to test the RCs for at least a day I think
11:35:05 <flo-retina> and email the localizers to give them an opportunity to test too
11:35:31 <flo-retina> then I'll need to tweak a bit the update server
11:35:37 <flo-retina> and we should be able to push the website changes
11:35:40 <flo-retina> and blog
11:36:11 <flo-retina> so I think the earliest possible release date is Sunday.
11:36:29 <flo-retina> Tuesday also seems possible
11:36:45 <Huvik> flo how looks GSoC apps? :)
11:38:55 <flo-retina> can you be more specific?
11:41:33 <Huvik> if all apps are already rated :P
11:42:22 <flo-retina> doesn't look like a question. And ":P" seems to indicate you don't want an answer.
11:42:36 <Huvik> :D
11:43:08 <Huvik> Sorry looks like you need "?" :D
11:43:55 <aleth> Huvik: I suspect if there was any news, you would have heard it ;)
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11:44:55 <clokep_work> Hmm...Mic seems to have disappeared. :(
11:45:12 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Sunday or Tuesday both sound OK to me. :) The blog post is done already at least. ;)
11:45:18 <aleth> Good to hear all the RCs are just about ready :)
11:46:12 <aleth> What was the twitter deadline again? I thought it was the 14th but there doesn't seem to have been any complaints
11:47:31 <flo-retina> 7th
11:47:44 <flo-retina> and I heard from Standard8 that it's been postponed to iirc 20th
11:48:55 <aleth> Ah, that explains it. So all other things being equal Sunday would be better than Tuesday ;)
11:49:22 <flo-retina> aleth: also because then we could forget it ;)
11:50:38 <Huvik> what kind of retard i am i deleted all my clones
11:51:27 <clokep_work> flo-retina: June 11, 2013: https://dev.twitter.com/blog/api-v1-retirement-date-extended-to-june-11
11:51:30 <clokep_work> aleth: ^ ^
11:52:05 <flo-retina> ok, no rush then :)
11:52:05 <flo-retina> thanks
11:57:27 <clokep_work> No problem.
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12:06:40 <Huvik> in firefox is there any option to change tabs like in chrome? 
12:07:06 <aleth> Huvik: You really have to add more detail to your questions ;)
12:07:50 <flo-retina> and ask the question in #firefox
12:08:20 <Huvik> :)
12:12:25 <clokep_work> We should really get links to other channels working. :-/
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12:23:31 <clokep_work> Do Not Disturb and Status Reminder need to be bumped.
12:23:47 <clokep_work> (As does Not today!, and Session Restore from Mic)
12:24:18 <aleth> And all the message styles/emoticons :-/
12:25:40 <aleth> BIO is really slow today
12:25:55 <clokep_work> s/ today//
12:27:59 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.com bug 1958 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
12:28:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1958 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Improve Linux installation instructions
12:28:16 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes, but that just took 3 minutes :P
12:28:45 <Huvik> how long you building IB on yours pc??
12:31:04 <flo-retina> aleth, clokep_work: would be so nice to get BIO merged into BMO just so that we don't have to worry about the health and velocity of BIO any more ;)
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12:36:26 <instantbot> New Websites - buildbot.instantbird.org (Buildbot) bug 1959 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
12:36:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1959 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Update to MozillaBuild 1.7
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12:47:19 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Yes. My plan for the next bit after 1.4 is to do reviews, GSoC stuff, BIO->BMO merge and Mozilla updates.
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13:03:47 <aleth> Gah, it's all of the internet that is slow now... no more blaming BIO ;)
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13:12:47 <flo-retina> http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Skype-with-care-Microsoft-is-reading-everything-you-write-1862870.html
13:13:07 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I was wondering if we could get the Ib repo to be indexed on mxr
13:13:10 <flo-retina> to get rid of our own lxr
13:13:15 <flo-retina> it may not be very difficult
13:13:27 <flo-retina> doesn't matter if we move into comm-central soon
13:13:46 <flo-retina> but I'm not sure how realistic it is to expect this to actually happen
13:14:19 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Yeah I read that article earlier this week, it didn't really concern me. Do you think Google does anything less than that?
13:14:37 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Yes, that would be useful. Do we care about having pidgin indexed? (Likely not.)
13:15:05 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I would be really surprised if google did that
13:15:30 <flo-retina> I would assume google either looks at all URLs, or none, but not "only https urls".
13:15:47 <flo-retina> clokep_work: ah, pidgin :(
13:16:48 <clokep_work> They don't say they didn't use like "http://google.com" as the http url, which would already have been indexed.
13:17:40 <flo-retina> http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/16/4336762/leaked-scroogled-ad-google-chrome-parody-video
13:18:12 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I assume they used only urls created for the purpose of the test, and on their own servers, otherwise they wouldn't have logs ;)
13:18:30 <clokep_work> flo-retina: The explicitly state that for the https url, not the http one.
13:18:34 <clokep_work> Made me suspicious.
13:19:08 <flo-retina> suspect whatever you want. We can't change it, so there's no point arguing about it :)
13:19:58 <flo-retina> clokep_work: so is MozillaBuild 1.7 required for building moz21?
13:20:06 <flo-retina> If not, I don't see why we need to update the buildbot slave
13:20:14 <flo-retina> (it's possible I'm missing something of course :))
13:20:21 <clokep_work> flo-retina: No, it will be required "soon" and I didn't want to forget about it.
13:20:26 <clokep_work> (And lose the links..)
13:20:27 <flo-retina> ok
13:20:48 <clokep_work> I'll mark it blocking whatever Mozilla bug requires it. :)
13:22:55 <clokep_work> I'm not even positive our code compiles with it yet. :-D
13:23:09 <clokep_work> (Although I don't see why it wouldn't...)
13:23:19 <clokep_work> I'm not 100% sure what was changed.
13:24:38 <clokep_work> flo-retina: So was that a "yes, we'd still want pidgin to be in lxr"?
13:24:54 <clokep_work> If not...we can look at getting listed onto mxr. :)
13:25:16 <flo-retina> well, we should still look at getting listed onto mxr
13:25:30 <flo-retina> just because it's a little step that brings us closer to mozilla ;)
13:25:51 <flo-retina> I/we should also look at having our builds hosted on ftp.mozilla.org
13:26:12 <flo-retina> I discussed this with Standard8 a few weeks ago, and he seemed to think it wouldn't be terribly difficult to get that
13:26:28 <flo-retina> and it would save us from hosting pains (and costs!)
13:27:06 <aleth> Sounds great :)
13:27:21 <clokep_work> Nightly builds too or just releases? (Could we stop using the Google Code thing then to?)
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13:31:38 * clokep_work is willing to talk to people about the mxr thing if you want.
13:31:53 <clokep_work> Mostly because I get annoyed at lxr every time I use it. :-D
13:32:16 <clokep_work> mconley, flo-retina: I'll take care of that reply from Mossop this weekend. Didn't have time to make a patch yesterday.
13:32:28 <mconley> okie doke
13:33:37 <flo-retina> clokep_work: everything
13:33:42 <flo-retina> clokep_work: get rid of ftp.instantbird.org
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13:33:57 <clokep_work> Cool. :)
13:34:02 <flo-retina> (if possible)
13:34:24 <flo-retina> but if we can only for the releases, or only for the nightlies, let's take what we can, and discuss the rest later :)
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13:36:27 <clokep_work> True. :)
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13:40:22 <clokep_work> Well let us know if we can help out at all with that stuff.
13:43:56 <flo-retina> I haven't tried anything yet, so I don't know how anybody can help (yet)
13:47:46 <flo-retina> Mac rc is ready
13:48:32 <flo-retina> restarting to it
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14:31:00 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1960 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
14:31:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1960 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Disabling auto-connection for an account only works on the next startup
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14:38:48 <clokep_work> aleth: It probably also doesn't stop a current reconnection timer...
14:39:57 <aleth> Yeah, probably there is just no pref watcher there at all
14:47:01 <aleth> clokep_work: Re your comment on bug 1292, did you mean that the default value for that pref is wrong and should be changed?
14:47:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1292 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Freenode SSL reconnection issues
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14:47:41 <clokep_work> aleth: Define "wrong". ;)
14:47:54 <aleth> clokep_work: "not as good as it could be" :P
14:48:30 <aleth> (I don't know what that pref does, I just wasn't clear whether your comment implied something should be done about it ;) )
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14:48:59 <clokep_work> aleth: I'm implying it's a potential solution.
14:49:08 <clokep_work> We currently have the same default value as toolkit.
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14:49:17 <clokep_work> (I think)
14:49:27 <clokep_work> So whether that's "wrong" or not depends on what it does
14:49:49 <clokep_work> Of course, I couldn't find a description of what that change.s
14:49:51 <aleth> Yup, I thought you might have looked into it already ;)
14:51:59 <clokep_work> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/security/nss/lib/ssl/ssl.h#111
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15:18:20 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 2434 on bug 1845.
15:18:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1845 min, --, ---, nhnt11, NEW, Message notifications do not take /me into account
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15:22:47 * clokep_work was just wondering about that bug. ;)
15:23:04 * clokep_work wonders how much different places we check for /me.
15:23:21 * aleth dislikes /me
15:23:35 <aleth> Special-cased every time.
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15:28:14 <aleth> all-time record update pings :D http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/stats/last2years.php
15:28:33 * aleth still intrigued by that spike
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15:30:06 * clokep_work prefers looking at http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/stats/ ;)
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15:31:40 <nhnt11> aleth: Any reason we don't want to check for *any* whitespace?
15:31:44 <nhnt11> other than consistency
15:31:56 <aleth> nhnt11: Do you really want to match line breaks for example?
15:32:24 <nhnt11> Hmm. I'm kind of leaning towards "yes"
15:32:39 * clokep_work guess it should probably [ t], but that s would probably be reasonable for most situations.
15:32:44 <aleth> Well, then we should discuss it and change it consistently everywhere if that's wanted
15:33:44 <aleth> Tabs I would agree with, though I'm not sure how protocols spec this
15:34:17 <aleth> gtg
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15:34:46 <nhnt11> Interestingly, the following message is not allowed by Ib:
15:34:48 <nhnt11>  /me
15:34:49 <nhnt11> test
15:34:53 <nhnt11> (without the space before the /me)
15:34:56 <clokep_work> nhnt11: I think aleth's point is that that's a different bug. ;)
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15:35:09 <clokep_work> nhnt11: IRC splits on new lines.
15:35:12 <nhnt11> clokep_work: Yep. For now, consistency wins
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15:35:42 <clokep_work> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/irc.js#128
15:35:55 <nhnt11> clokep_work: Yes, but it seems to consider the two lines together as a single command
15:36:09 <nhnt11>  /me
15:36:09 <nhnt11> test is not a supported command. Type /help to see the list of commands.
15:37:02 <nhnt11> Whatever parses the command at the beginning is not taking newlines into account, so the final command string is "/me\ntest"
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15:37:40 <clokep_work> OK.
15:39:28 * clokep_work can't find where we search for commands. :-/
15:40:24 <clokep_work> Ah, it's at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/conversation.xml#261
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15:41:40 <clokep_work> And thenwe split it at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/components/src/imCommands.js#217
15:41:44 <clokep_work> Where we look for a space, yes.
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15:45:37 <nhnt11> Should that not match any whitespace?
15:46:09 <nhnt11> (This is really just a nit)
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15:53:32 <Mic|web> clokep_work: I have reappeared as it seems ;) What did you need?
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16:28:33 <clokep_work> nhnt11: This is not a "nit", a nit is about formatting of code.
16:28:37 <clokep_work> Mic|web: I sent you a memoserv.
16:30:06 <Mic|web> Mibbit actually differentiates between /msg and /query ...
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16:31:19 <clokep_work> Mic: How so?
16:31:31 * clokep_work guesses query is our "raw".
16:31:59 <Mic> Query opens a new conversation while msg doesn't.
16:32:08 <Mic> We also had a bug report about that once.
16:32:16 <clokep_work> I don't remember that, but OK.
16:32:37 <clokep_work> Well anyway...I was responding to something you said to me last night. :)
16:32:43 <clokep_work> But I got it at work instead of at home.
16:33:01 <Mic> I've read that now, thanks!
16:33:24 * clokep_work still wishes we could handle memoservs better in IB.
16:33:28 <Mic> Sounds good, I'll take care of that when I'm back at home during the course of the evening.
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16:34:17 <Mic> clokep_work: what would you expect from integrating memoserv?
16:34:34 <Mic> How would you interact with it, what should it do/do not do?
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16:43:36 <clokep_work> Mic: Well mostly for incoming messages, I'd like if we showed it as an email notification like we should do for gmail,yahoo, etc.
16:44:05 <clokep_work> atuljangra: What timezone are you in again? isn't it like midnight? (o_O)
16:45:42 <atuljangra> atuljangra: yes, almost misd-night, I like working this time. And also I am tightly scheduled in the daytime, so night time is suitable for Mozilla stuff.
16:45:49 <atuljangra> clokep_work:  yes, almost misd-night, I like working this time. And also I am tightly scheduled in the daytime, so night time is suitable for Mozilla stuff.
16:45:58 * atuljangra does this more often..
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16:48:13 <clokep_work> You kids stay up too late. :P
16:49:05 <atuljangra> clokep_work: :P
16:49:21 <atuljangra> clokep_work: you must have did thd in your college days ;)
16:49:53 <clokep_work> atuljangra: My schedule has moved a bit, yeah. But I've always gotten up fairly early. ;)
16:50:31 <atuljangra> clokep_work: heh okay, I'm one of the night owls?
16:50:58 <clokep_work> I guess so. :)
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16:58:41 <nhnt11> Haha, my sleep cycle isn't really a cycle ;)
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16:59:13 <nhnt11> Well, now that I'm back home my mom regulates it a bit, but at college it's completely unpredictable :D
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21:43:39 <clokep> Btw, I emailed the l10n list about the RCs.
21:43:56 <flo-retina> thanks for that!
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22:11:40 * flo-retina wonders who thought it could be a good idea in gmail to put the "compose" 'window' in a corner of the screen, so that I have to physically move to be in front of it :-S
22:12:00 <flo-retina> (or pop it out to a separate browser window)
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22:18:41 <clokep> GMail's interface is pretty bad.
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22:29:00 <atuljangra> "collect2:  ld returned 1 exit status " generally comes when we have missing files right?
22:30:35 <clokep> (o-O) I've never seen that error before.
22:30:57 <flo-retina> atuljangra: I think it just happens when linking libxul fails for some reason
22:31:02 <flo-retina> could be "out of memory" for example
22:31:11 <atuljangra> I've seen it while building tb, in libxul.so, (and in general c++ coding also)
22:31:12 * instantbot mumbles something about c++ being evil
22:31:31 <atuljangra> flo-retina: yes, I'm trying to increase the swap space.
22:32:06 <flo-retina> how much real memory do you have?
22:32:17 <atuljangra> instantbot: c++ isn't that bad :P
22:32:20 <instantbot> atuljangra: Sorry, I've no idea what 'c++ isn't that bad :P' might be.
22:32:46 <atuljangra> flo-retina: I've like 8GB. but I've arund 350 firefox tabs open, and some pther processes also
22:33:37 <flo-retina> sounds like it's time to install https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/autoclose-tabs/
22:34:16 <atuljangra> I want them to be remain open. Helps me keep track of my research :-S
22:34:38 <clokep> Bookmarks? ;)
22:34:40 <flo-retina> I wrote that add-on when I got tired of my machine being unable to start VMs in a decent time because of 200+ Fx tabs
22:35:00 <clokep> Goodnight!
22:35:02 <atuljangra> oh okay. :-)
22:35:09 <atuljangra> clokep: Good night :-)
22:35:20 <flo-retina> are you really going to bed before atuljangra and me?
22:35:31 <atuljangra> flo-retina: it's amazing how we can just code up whatever we need :D
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22:35:52 <atuljangra> clokep: seriously :P. It's like 4 in the morning here :P
22:35:56 <flo-retina> atuljangra: now I need the same thing for the files on my desktop.
22:37:09 <atuljangra> as in redundant files on your desktop should be sent to trash/some special folder?
22:38:21 <clokep> atuljangra: It's 6:30 PM here. ;)
22:38:36 <clokep> flo-retina: I'm not going to bed, just going out to dinner, but won't be back before you all go to bed.
22:38:39 <clokep> So thus goodnight! :P
22:38:44 <atuljangra> heh :P
22:38:47 <atuljangra> okay.
22:39:03 <flo-retina> atuljangra: things on the desktop (typically screenshots) should expire after a while, and just disappear
22:39:16 <atuljangra> which os are you using?
22:39:25 <flo-retina> (maybe be archived out of my view for a few days or months before being permanently deleted)
22:39:27 <flo-retina> Mac OS X
22:39:34 <flo-retina> screenshots go to the desktop by default
22:40:32 <clokep> Oooo....my build is building libpurple! :)
22:40:37 <clokep> Or actually... purplexpcom.
22:40:39 <flo-retina> btw, how many people here are testing the 1.4 RCs?
22:40:45 <atuljangra> oh, okay. Obviously there cannot be a cross platform solution to this, but I'll try to build this for Linux thus. A good shell script should do.
22:40:45 * clokep raises hand.
22:40:46 <flo-retina> moz21? :)
22:41:02 <flo-retina> atuljangra: is your desktop also messy? :-D
22:41:06 * atuljangra is currently building one so he hides his hand
22:41:08 <clokep> flo-retina: No. moz20, but new MozillaBuild...going to work on the moz21 tomrrow.
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22:41:18 <clokep> Ciao.
22:41:28 <atuljangra> flo-retina: no, my desktop contains only trash icon :) but my downloads folder is.
22:41:34 <flo-retina> atuljangra: well, as long as the path is configurable, linux and mac should be the same
22:41:49 <flo-retina> oh yeah, my download folder is the same mess
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22:41:54 <atuljangra> Yes, I've added this in my todo list.
22:42:03 <atuljangra> Will do this. :D
22:42:12 <flo-retina> hmm, maybe even without configuring the path
22:42:23 <flo-retina> the desktop is as ~/Desktop on Mac
22:42:36 <flo-retina> isn't this the same path as on Linux?
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22:43:02 <atuljangra> yes, they are same
22:43:16 <atuljangra> and same is the case with Downloads
22:44:02 <flo-retina> on Ubuntu "Desktop" is localized
22:44:30 <flo-retina> but that annoys me so I no longer install localized ubuntus on my own machines :-D
22:45:12 <atuljangra> localized means?
22:45:25 <flo-retina> translated
22:45:34 <flo-retina> it's "Bureau" instead of "Desktop" on a French ubuntu
22:45:44 <atuljangra> oh okay.
22:46:01 <atuljangra> That is annoying.
22:46:13 <flo-retina> it's localized on Mac OS X too, but in a more intelligent way (ie it's only localized in the GUI, not on the file system; so shell scripts don't get messed up).
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22:46:57 <atuljangra> flo-retina: my ram is not getting filled up, so what else can be the problem for "ld returned 1 exit status" ?
22:47:08 <atuljangra> oh okay. This is good. :)
22:48:38 <flo-retina> atuljangra: pastebin the log
22:49:59 <atuljangra> just a min
22:55:55 <atuljangra> flo-retina: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/198242
22:57:04 <flo-retina> I wonder if these python scripts could be hiding the real error :-S
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22:57:32 <atuljangra> I also think so, cos logs are pretty much neat before the error pops up
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22:58:30 <Mook_as> flo-retina: you can always edit ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs to be saner. (but yes, not being silly to start with would have been better...)
22:59:07 <flo-retina> Mook_as: installing the whole system in en-US is easier
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22:59:19 <Mook_as> hah, true
22:59:39 <atuljangra> Mook_as: but still the way macos is doing it is pretty good. :)
22:59:50 <flo-retina> due to gettext's crapiness, it's not even possible to not-install en-US, and the fr langpack of everything need to be downloaded/updated during the install if one selects fr as the locale
23:00:05 <flo-retina> so just using en-US means a faster install, and less junk on the disk :)
23:00:13 <flo-retina> also, a package one should never have in French is gcc.
23:00:33 <flo-retina> The en-US messages don't always make sense, but the French "translations" almost never do :(.
23:01:41 <flo-retina> The problem isn't limited to linux btw; MS Visual Studio in French is also a very bad idea (mozilla's configure doesn't work with the French MSVC)
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23:02:14 <atuljangra> flo-retina:  i just cloned the whole repo, and  this error is coming up. I believe that this can be due to some missing library?
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23:02:19 <Mook_as> I think configure *tries* to work with french msvc; it just.. doesn't always succeed.
23:02:41 <flo-retina> Mook_as: how does it try?
23:03:28 <flo-retina> (I don't really care about this, so don't bother looking it up)
23:04:15 <Mook_as> at least when I looked at it, it just ignores everything and looks for version-number-ish things. (from cl version output)
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23:06:22 <flo-retina> Mook_as: that's the problem
23:06:33 <flo-retina> it looks for a space before the version number
23:06:44 <flo-retina> and in the French version, it's an unbreakable space, so the regexp doesn't match
23:09:42 <Nirgali> so...
23:09:56 <Nirgali> what's the latest on purple's demise?
23:11:11 <Mook_as> ouch. okay, yeah, in that case the french translation is Special
23:11:13 <atuljangra> flo-retina: I somehow got this: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lxpcom
23:11:20 <Nirgali> mmmmmmm brb
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23:11:23 <Mook_as> -lxpcom is dead, long live -lxul
23:11:35 <Mook_as> (seriously, it's gone; did you forget to clobber?)
23:11:58 <atuljangra> umm, I have just cloned the repo, fresh and brand new
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23:13:39 <flo-retina> Mook_as: yes, it's specially annoying ;)
23:14:06 <flo-retina> atuljangra: which version of Mozilla are you trying to compile Instantbird with?
23:15:00 <atuljangra> I guess it's same as trunk, I did python client.py checkout and it gave me Mozilla also.
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23:17:49 <atuljangra> [FIREFOX_20_0_1_RELEASE] 
23:23:39 <atuljangra> flo-retina: no success so far. I'm not even able to find the cause of the error.
23:24:51 <atuljangra> flo-retina: I should be sleeping now,. It's 5 in the morning. I'll check the logs if you get something.
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23:24:54 <atuljangra> Thanks :-)
23:24:56 <atuljangra> bbye
23:25:02 <flo-retina> no idea, sorry
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23:25:04 <flo-retina> good night
23:25:13 <flo-retina> I've never seen this error :-/
23:26:14 <Mook_as> hmm, firefox 20 release... that should be fine, bug 852950 only landed in 22.
23:26:43 <Mook_as> (also, that's building libxul, nevermind me)
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23:31:48 <nhnt11> Wow, quite a bit of activity here :D
23:34:27 <nhnt11> My desktop, if anyone's interested: http://grab.by/mEUe
23:34:27 <nhnt11> ;)
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23:54:01 <flo-retina> Good night
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