#instantbird log on 04 01 2013

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02:52:04 <instant-buildbot> build #827 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/827
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03:31:51 <instant-buildbot> build #823 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/823
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05:12:00 <instant-buildbot> build #919 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/919
06:24:49 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1914 filed by spanktastic2120@hotmail.com.
06:24:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1914 min, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, a:visited is ignored, visited links stay the unvisited color
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10:29:51 <aleth> clokep: comments? https://i.minus.com/jbbVSXZM5PXXEp.png
10:37:58 <clokep> aleth: Looks pretty nice.
10:38:36 <aleth> I'm wondering if it isn't too pinkish on the unselected tab
10:39:13 <aleth> But a more pinkish red certainly looks crisper than the previous versions.
10:42:12 <clokep> Yeah.
10:44:32 <aleth> After using it a while, it's definitely better to have a reddish tone for pings. Sticks out more ;)
10:45:14 <clokep> aleth: Is that current code a user chrome?
10:45:35 <aleth> clokep: Yes
10:45:43 <clokep> Can I have the code? :)
10:45:44 <aleth> (well, currently it's in DOM inspector :P)
10:45:52 <clokep> Ahhhh!
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11:00:33 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2308 on bug 1887.
11:00:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1887 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Friends don't get added as participants when reopening a closed timeline
11:12:00 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org cancelled review?(clokep@gmail.com) for attachment 2308 on bug 1887.
11:12:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1887 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Friends don't get added as participants when reopening a closed timeline
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11:27:24 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2309 on bug 1887.
11:27:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1887 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Friends don't get added as participants when reopening a closed timeline
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11:55:09 <clokep_work> aleth: WTF is this syntax: "[...aAccount._friends]"
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12:09:40 <aleth> clokep_work: a Harmony spread operator
12:10:21 <aleth> In this case, converts Set to Array.
12:11:58 <clokep_work> aleth: Documentation?
12:12:54 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org cancelled review?(clokep@gmail.com) for attachment 2309 on bug 1887.
12:12:55 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2310 on bug 1887.
12:12:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1887 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Friends don't get added as participants when reopening a closed timeline
12:12:58 <aleth> clokep_work: http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=harmony:spread
12:13:25 <aleth> It was in one of the recent "what's new in FF xx" pages
12:13:45 <clokep_work> I must have missed it.
12:14:11 <aleth> It doesn't work everywhere it should yet, but it does work for arrays.
12:14:22 <clokep_work> I see...
12:14:28 <clokep_work> It's supported in Moz 19?
12:14:40 <aleth> Sure, the code runs ;)
12:14:47 <clokep_work> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/JavaScript/Reference/Spread_operator is what I wanted btw. ;)
12:15:05 <aleth> Oh, IU didn't know it was on mdn too! that must be new :)
12:16:52 <clokep_work> It doesn't talk about using it for sets/maps.
12:17:09 <aleth> Sets are iterable.
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12:19:31 <aleth> clokep_work: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/166803
12:21:00 <aleth> The selected tabs probably need tweaking for Windows as the structure is based on .tabbrowser-tabs[selected] in tabbrowser.css for gnomestripe
12:22:34 <aleth> clokep_work: Really it's a bit annoying that .forEach() etc don't work on Sets directly, though I suppose that may change in the future
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12:32:58 <clokep_work> aleth: So let me ensure I understand properly, the second patch uses _friends as a Set and then looks up the friend's name in userInfo?
12:33:08 <aleth> Yes
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12:43:27 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied review for attachment 2310 on bug 1887.
12:43:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1887 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Friends don't get added as participants when reopening a closed timeline
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12:51:24 * clokep_work hopes those make sense.
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13:45:28 <flo-retina> "12:29:51 - aleth: clokep: comments? https://i.minus.com/jbbVSXZM5PXXEp.png" We already had at least 2 people whose first comment when looking at the Bubbles default theme was that Pink+Blue was impossible to use as it makes them think of boys/girls. Putting it on tabs would probably be even worse :(
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13:51:32 <clokep_work> flo-retina: What if we make it more orangey?
13:52:04 <flo-retina> that would likely help :)
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14:25:32 <clokep_work> For the other issue...I've always used Colorize so I've never really thought that.
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16:11:31 <clokep_work> Seems there's a few people interestedin the Skype stuff. ;)
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18:38:31 <Mic> clokep_work: using the spread operator for "Set"s like aleth did: line 33 in the example at https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Set
18:39:34 <Mic> aleth: what about using the Set with "for ... of" instead of converting it to an array and then using "forEach" on it?
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18:43:24 <clokep_work> Mic: If that works, it could be simpler, yeah.
18:43:59 <Mic> Line 21 in the same example suggests that it would work.
18:45:27 * clokep_work still trips over the grammar in "for foo of bar"
18:46:30 <clokep_work> aleth might enjoy "// intersect can be simulated via  Set(x for (x of set1) if (set2.has(x)))"
18:48:14 <Mic> When was his request for this feature?
18:48:19 <Mic> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Set$compare?to=363455&from=363441
18:48:42 <clokep_work> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=847355
18:48:47 <Mic> The line was added 6th of March, maybe in response to his request?
18:48:56 <clokep_work> A couple days before that.
18:49:07 <Mic> :)
18:54:49 <Mic> clokep_work: I don't mind that programming languages are usually using english. I makes it easier for me to ignore problems like the one you mentioned ;)
18:55:20 <Mic> There were localized keywords in VBA for a few versions (Office 95/97?). It was terrible.
18:56:07 <clokep_work> Mic: Fair enough. :)
18:56:16 <clokep_work> A few languages are localized, but very few...I think.
19:00:05 <Mic> bbl
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19:53:38 <atuljangra> Hey :-) Good Morning :)
19:53:55 <atuljangra> or Evening ( adjust as per your clock :P)
20:00:14 <Mic> Hi
20:02:24 <atuljangra> Hey Mic :)
20:02:49 <atuljangra> I am not sure if we know each other, I am new to instantbird :)
20:03:44 <Mic> Most likely we don't know each other. Feel free to ask questions, make suggestions or just idle in here anyways :)
20:05:03 <atuljangra> Okay :-) Are you also one of the contributors like mconley or clokep_work? I know both of them very well :) 
20:05:23 <Mic> I'm a longtime contributor, yes
20:05:59 <atuljangra> Okay :)
20:06:09 <Mic> That is for Instantbird not Thunderbird though.
20:07:07 <mconley> atuljangra: hey! :)
20:07:38 <atuljangra> Yup :) I am aware :)
20:07:48 <atuljangra> mconley: hi, how are you?
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20:09:55 <mconley> atuljangra: busy like crazy - yourself?
20:11:27 <atuljangra> mconley: same here, I am doing operating systems currently, thus always stuck with deadlocks and race conditions.
20:11:41 <mconley> atuljangra: ah, classic
20:12:37 <atuljangra> mconley: yes, our conversations are interesting nowadays, about killing a child, waking up sleeping and stuff like that :)
20:12:47 <mconley> hehehe
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20:13:52 <atuljangra> mconley: you are working on instandbird currently?
20:14:25 <mconley> atuljangra: not at all - but I hang out in here with the cool peeps
20:15:40 <atuljangra> Okay :-) Currently I am building instantbird. Hoping to work on implementing Skype support in instantbird. :)
20:16:20 <clokep_work> atuljangra: Are you using the dinosaur book?
20:16:37 <clokep_work> And welcome. :))
20:17:07 <atuljangra> clokep_work: yup, Dinosaur one and Tanen Baum 
20:17:16 <atuljangra> clokep_work: have you read it?
20:18:19 <atuljangra> mconley: Is the summit2013 thing real or just a 1st april prank?
20:19:08 <EionRobb> nothing is real on the internet on the 2nd of April :(
20:19:23 <mconley> atuljangra: it's a for-reals thing, just poorly timed on the announcement
20:19:53 <atuljangra> mconley: heh, yes really poorly timed, 
20:20:08 <atuljangra> EionRobb: yes, especiallyu Google Nose and Gmail Blue :P
20:20:10 <douglaswth> EionRobb: nothing is real on the internet on the 31st of March either
20:20:14 <clokep_work> atuljangra: No, just had a roommate that did.
20:20:22 <clokep_work> Plus I like the cover. :-D
20:20:31 * clokep_work actually knows nothing about software development and just pretends. ;)
20:20:45 <mconley> (me too! don't tell my boss)
20:20:52 <Mic> EionRobb: I told a friend today that on 1st of April, one best stays away from any media and read your news on the next day :D
20:21:02 <Mic> *ones news
20:21:18 <EionRobb> except most of the world is a day behind ;)
20:21:22 <Mic> I mean it worked too when we only had newspapers, didn't it ;)
20:21:32 <clokep_work> atuljangra: Anyway, let us know if you can't get IB to build or have questions or whatever.
20:21:41 <atuljangra> clokep_work: heh :) I am currently reading it, and I would highly recommend you guys to go through it once. It.is.awesome. 
20:21:42 * clokep_work s/_work//
20:21:53 <atuljangra> mconley: heh :)
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20:22:13 * atuljangra searches for mconley's boss :P
20:22:22 <mconley> NOOOOO
20:22:56 <EionRobb> aren't we all just monkeys on typewriters, trying to mash out the next facebook?
20:23:53 * atuljangra :P
20:24:18 <atuljangra> EionRobb: that's a good theory actually. 
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20:24:50 * atuljangra feels facebook was heavily based on luck.
20:24:59 <atuljangra> EionRobb: that's a good theory actually. 
20:26:11 <Mic> I suspect that there's lots of Steve Jobs', Bill Gates' and Mark Zuckerbergs out there. And only three of them actually made it ;)
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20:27:11 <atuljangra> micYup :P
20:27:52 <atuljangra> and Sergey and Larry also.
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20:36:26 <Mic> bye
20:38:07 <Mic> atuljangra: very cool that you're interested in a Skype protocol plugin by the way :)
20:39:26 <flo-retina> indeed :)
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20:57:13 <atuljangra> Mic Thanks :-)
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21:51:15 <clokep> Hey atuljangra, any reason you're not using Instantbird for IRC? ;)
21:51:45 <EionRobb> street cred ;)
21:55:11 <atuljangra> clokep: Yup, I am behind proxy, and I am not able to connect to IRC.
21:55:16 <clokep> :(
21:55:22 <atuljangra> Many ports are blocked here :(
21:55:26 <clokep> atuljangra: School proxy?
21:55:29 <atuljangra> Stupid IIT.
21:55:37 <atuljangra> clokep: yes, 
21:55:47 <clokep> That's annoying. I don't understand that.
21:55:52 <clokep> My school didn't block anything.
21:56:50 <atuljangra> My school has blocked things, though I've my personal internet connection. I need to get it recharged.
21:58:08 <clokep> All I can say about proxies...is tunneling. ;) But anyway, that works. Have you tried it out for other protocols?
21:59:14 <atuljangra> All the non-http ports are blocked, only few are open in hostels. I've tried tunneling when I am on Wifi, that works like charm for me. :)
21:59:35 <atuljangra> but I am not able to do anything with http ports :-|
22:00:37 <clokep> :( True.
22:00:41 <clokep> Well I'm sorry to hear that.
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22:01:45 <atuljangra> :(
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22:05:46 <atuljangra> clokep: you live in MV?
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22:06:02 <clokep> atuljangra: No. I don't work for Mozilla either.
22:06:24 <atuljangra> oh, you are a contributor then?
22:07:01 <clokep> atuljangra: I wrote various large chunks of the chat backend. Including the IRC code.
22:07:26 <atuljangra> Oh, okay. That's great :) So where are you from?
22:07:44 <clokep> I live near Boston, MA.
22:08:03 <atuljangra> Oh, okay :)
22:08:19 <EionRobb> I didn't know you lived in Madagascar, clokep!
22:08:22 <EionRobb> that's pretty cool
22:08:28 <dew> clokep I was going to answer your question on twitter the other day but I forgot
22:08:41 <clokep> EionRobb: You know, I get around.
22:08:53 <atuljangra> dew: you can answer it now :)
22:09:06 <clokep> dew: I ended up buying one on Amazon, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006SU0SX0/ref=oh_details_o00_s01_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
22:09:19 <clokep> I really wanted one that was flush to the cigarette lighter though.
22:09:37 <dew> oh
22:09:45 <dew> the one I have I think has a problem with android devices
22:09:49 <dew> but it's almost flush
22:09:55 <dew> and puts out 2.1A also
22:10:06 <clokep> I don't have an Android device so that wouldn't bother me. ;)
22:10:10 <dew> sorry I've been really busy with work so I've been a ghost
22:10:27 <clokep> Not a problem!
22:11:14 <dew> this is what I was going to recommend: http://www.amazon.com/SCOSCHE-usbc202m-VOLT-c2-Packaging/dp/B0077PM3KG/
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22:12:00 <clokep> dew: Ah, that one likes like what I wanted. :(
22:12:11 <dew> I'm sorry!
22:12:18 <atuljangra> :(
22:12:33 <clokep> It's OK, not a big deal. It'll be in my center console anyway, so the size doesn't matter /that/ much.
22:14:23 <clokep> dew: Going to have some free time for that new prpl soon? ;)
22:18:48 <atuljangra> clokep: It's 3 in the morning, and I am stuck with a deadlock :( I should get some sleep.
22:19:17 <clokep> atuljangra: If you need help, feel free to ask.
22:20:06 <atuljangra> clokep: sure :) Thanks :)
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22:20:27 <clokep> http://pastebin.instantbird.org
22:25:36 <dew> I'm not sure clokep :(
22:27:03 <clokep> dew: Well I hope work quiets down for ya!
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