#instantbird log on 03 27 2013

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00:00:00 <Mook_as> (sure, we can stop spamming the other instantbird folks :p )
00:04:35 <instant-buildbot> build #817 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/817
00:29:28 <clokep> Interesting, Twitter will begin sending a language flag with tweets: https://dev.twitter.com/blog/introducing-new-metadata-for-tweets
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01:18:08 <instant-buildbot> build #821 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/821
01:22:21 <clokep> flo-retina: I can't reproduce your errors. :-/
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03:47:24 <instant-buildbot> build #913 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/913
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05:24:41 <instant-buildbot> build #818 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/818
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08:58:45 <aleth> "RT @ttaubert: It's Firefox. Not FireFox. Please." :P
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10:03:32 <Mic> aleth: if you don't have a Twitter account I could reply and say we have the same problem with Instantbird. I'd count that as advertisement for us ;) http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/130327#m37
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10:04:16 <aleth> Mic: https://twitter.com/paulrouget/status/316678453925642243
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10:06:28 <Mic> What do you mean?
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10:07:51 <aleth> I just gave the link to the tweet so you can reply if you like...
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10:09:59 <Mic> Ah, thanks! :)
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10:11:05 <Mic> I had checked his feed already, so I didn't notice that you had only posted a fake reply in the logs and not a link :)
10:29:07 <clokep> Good morning. :)
10:32:46 <Mic> Hi clokep!
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10:35:58 * clokep thought he had a few r?s waiting for him.
10:36:07 <clokep> And was going to apologize...but apparently I don't. :)
10:36:18 <flo-retina> if you miss that, you can probably steal a few of mine ;)
10:36:36 <clokep> I just looked through yours...nothing jumped out as easy to review. ;)
10:36:48 <clokep> (Unless I can r+ my own. :P)
10:37:42 <flo-retina> clokep: that's why it's queued ;)
10:42:28 <clokep> Yeah, yeah....
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10:55:42 <clokep> Hey Mic, did you ever get to play Ticket to Ride?
10:57:03 <Mic> clokep: no, not yet but I found out that one of my friends has it!
10:58:02 <clokep> Mic: Awesome, let me know what you think if you play!
10:58:13 <Mic> Sure :)
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11:43:24 <Mic> aleth: the add-on for chat notification sounds is up for review.
11:43:36 <Mic> I'll do the other reviews in the afternoon.
11:43:45 <aleth> Mic: great, thanks
11:43:47 <flo-retina> Mic: a patch appeared in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789450 ;)
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11:46:38 <Mic> Wasn't "prpl-init" the wrong notification as you said? :(
11:47:13 <flo-retina> and calling getUIConversations() as a way to know if the core has been initialized is debatable too ;)
11:47:36 <flo-retina> Mic: I just wanted to point out that he was indeed working on a patch :)
11:48:39 <Mic> Yes, apparently ;)
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11:53:38 <clokep_work> Ah seems like we're almost at a new phase of GSoC. :)
12:00:48 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Under https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode13#Application_Advice it says "Apply on [the GSoC site]" and that's a broken link...although maybe it'll work once they decide on organizations?
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12:30:05 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2301 on bug 1732.
12:30:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1732 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Port the log tree and concatenated daily logs from TB
12:36:40 <clokep_work> Let me know if that's not clear aleth.
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12:47:38 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 2301 on bug 1732.
12:47:39 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2302 on bug 1732.
12:47:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1732 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Port the log tree and concatenated daily logs from TB
12:50:03 <clokep_work> aleth: What parts of that are from chat/?
12:50:10 <clokep_work> Just logger.properties / logger.js?
12:51:43 <aleth> clokep_work: You mean what parts affect chat/ ?
12:52:15 <aleth> Yes, that's all.
12:52:32 <aleth> And convbrowser.xml
12:54:04 <aleth> Some of the viewlog.js improvements could easily be ported back to TB, but that would have to be done by hand.
12:54:27 <flo-retina> clokep_work: right, it will likely work once the organizations are announced (or if not we'll fix it!)
12:54:55 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I assume this link is just from last year's patch on which gerv did a s/2012/2013/ to create the new page
12:56:55 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I assume.
12:57:05 <clokep_work> aleth: OK. :) Aren't some of the improvements about text logs anyway? So things we don't care about.
12:57:45 <aleth> clokep_work: see https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1732#c1
12:57:48 <instantbot> Bug 1732 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Port the log tree and concatenated daily logs from TB
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13:10:17 <clokep_work> aleth: Thanks. sorry for not re-reading. :-[
13:11:26 <aleth> clokep_work: np, I was just too lazy to type the list again ;)
13:12:33 <aleth> It's quite possible that for TB it was wanted that all the old logs older than 2 weeks appear in one group, idk.
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13:14:26 <clokep_work> I agree that that seems inconvenient...
13:14:56 <aleth> Yup, I was like "not having that!" ;)
13:20:51 <Mic> aleth: drive-by comment: it could make sense to define Cu (Cc/Ci) in viewlog.js.
13:21:02 <Mic> At least Cu should be used a few times...
13:25:01 <clokep_work> I wonder if someone should just go through and do that everywhere... :-/
13:25:58 <aleth> Mic: good idea
13:28:14 <Mic> clokep_work: I've a partial patch for this.
13:30:55 <clokep_work> Mic: Well r = me if you want approval. It can be in chunks / sub folders / whatever.
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13:31:34 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 2302 on bug 1732.
13:31:35 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2303 on bug 1732.
13:31:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1732 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Port the log tree and concatenated daily logs from TB
13:39:00 <Mic> Twitter's web interface marks the part of the text in red that is behind the 140th character. Not a bad idea!
13:39:43 <clokep_work> aleth: "const Cu = Components.utils;" but you use Cc/Ci in the file...are those defined someplace else? :-S
13:39:53 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes
13:40:35 <clokep_work> utilities.js?
13:40:53 <aleth> Yes, via viewlog.xul
13:41:21 <Mic> I don't think we'd use these names for anything else than actually Components.*
13:41:50 * aleth thinks it would be nice to get rid of utilities.js somehow
13:41:51 <Mic> Shouldn't we use var instead of const and don't care if it's defined already?
13:41:53 <clokep_work> I just find it confusing that they're sharing a scope. ;)
13:42:31 <clokep_work> What part of iteratorUtils is used btw? I don't see any of the exported symbols used anywhere else.
13:43:38 <aleth> Hmm, let me check. mconley's code used it, but I may have removed all the calls one way or another
13:44:36 <aleth> clokep_work: fixIterator is used.
13:47:30 <clokep_work> Uhhh...my firefox find bar isn't find thatunless I go to the raw unified. :-S
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14:00:40 <gerv> Hi. Can someone help me debug an instantbird problem?
14:00:52 <gerv> I just need 10 minutes of your time to send me some PMs.
14:01:03 <gerv> I have a problem that receiving a PM takes down my entire desktop :-|
14:01:11 <gerv> I want to try and work out the circumstances in which this is true.
14:01:16 <aleth> gerv: no problem, what do you need?
14:01:18 <gerv> (So if I stop talking to you, we've found one :-)
14:01:48 <aleth> Btw, are you on the latest nightly or on 1.3 ?
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14:03:35 <aleth> Oh dear, looks like it did happen :-/
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14:03:38 <gerv1> Bug reproduced :-)
14:03:43 <gerv1> OK.
14:03:48 * gerv1 configures a bit
14:04:03 <aleth> That's a nasty bug.
14:09:31 <clokep_work> Ah, yeah, I saw your email gerv...didn't have any ideas besides what florian suggested. :(
14:22:43 <flo-retina> aleth: "14:41:50 * aleth thinks it would be nice to get rid of utilities.js somehow" oh yes! :)
14:25:06 <clokep_work> I think we even have a bug about that. ;)
14:25:56 <flo-retina> if I promise a fast review, is that a good enough motivation for someone to start fixing it?
14:26:11 <flo-retina> probably not as I assume any other reviewer could review that patch :-S
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14:33:48 <flo-retina> aleth: how difficult would it be to replace that fixIterator call with 3 lines of code to avoid including iteratorUtils?
14:35:10 <aleth> flo-retina: I don't know. I was under the impression iteratorUtils was going to be in toolkit soon anyway though?
14:35:22 <flo-retina> haha :)
14:35:34 <flo-retina> yeah, "soon" almost 2 years ago :)
14:35:41 <aleth> alright :D
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14:36:18 <aleth> I don't mind changing that if you prefer, the call there was inherited from TB.
14:36:34 <flo-retina> if it's easy, I would prefer removing it
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14:37:23 <flo-retina> that path is really strange: a/content/instantbird/jsTreeView.js
14:37:40 <flo-retina> matches neither the hg source tree, nor what I would expect in the omni.ja file
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14:38:16 <aleth> uh yeah, that's missing something.
14:38:45 <clokep_work> aleth likes to keep us guessing about where his files really are. ;)
14:39:33 <flo-retina> clokep_work: wasn't he playing with hg recently?
14:39:41 <aleth> In omni.jar it would be chrome/instantbird/content/instantbird/jsTreeView.js
14:39:43 <aleth> not me...
14:39:52 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I wonder if at some point we could just r- all the patches that don't apply because of broken paths :-P
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14:47:25 <clokep_work> :P I already have a macro that fixes them so...Ill still review them.
14:48:02 <flo-retina> all of them?
14:48:22 <clokep_work> Most of them.
14:48:26 <clokep_work> I've added to it over time...
14:48:29 <clokep_work> Oh.
14:48:34 <flo-retina> when it's just an IRC or just a completion patch, I tend to cd into the right directory, and apply with -p2 (irc) or -p5 (completion) instead of -p1
14:48:35 <clokep_work> All the patches? Probably not. ;)
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15:14:33 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1910 filed by gerv@gerv.net.
15:14:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1910 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, IB notifications crash my entire desktop
15:19:01 <clokep_work> gerv1: Do you use Thunderbird/Firefox with notifications at all? It'd be interesting if it's happening there too.
15:21:44 * flo-retina wonders if aleth would have any idea of what could be suspected in view-source:https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=2304
15:25:45 <clokep_work> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/164174 is what aptitude says TB depends on in Ubuntu.
15:26:15 <flo-retina> there's xserver-xorg-core in that list
15:26:52 <flo-retina> I meant the list of updated packages attached to the bug, not your pastebin
15:27:41 <clokep_work> Yup.
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15:31:40 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 2303 on bug 1732.
15:31:41 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2305 on bug 1732.
15:31:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1732 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Port the log tree and concatenated daily logs from TB
15:34:45 <aleth> flo-retina, clokep_work: I would have thought such a notification bug on ubuntu would have been previously reported for TB or FF. At least I don't see what would be IB specific about this.
15:38:32 <clokep_work> I can test on my ubuntu box when I get home.
15:38:39 <aleth> There's a lot of updates in that list, nothing immediately jumps out
15:39:11 <aleth> I was looking on BMO earlier for anything related that might have been fixed but couldn't find anything.
15:41:05 <aleth> 12.04 is a LTS so it's not going to be anything utterly cutting edge.
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16:48:32 <clokep_work> Ah, I think I'm on 12.10 not 12.04...
16:50:55 <aleth> clokep_work: Theoretically that should mean you see /more/ problems, not less ;)
16:51:26 <clokep_work> aleth: Yeah...how would I check that?
16:53:25 <aleth> clokep_work: Maybe you will be "lucky" and can reproduce, then compare the versions of the packages that match with ger v's list.
16:57:08 <aleth> It would also be interesting to find out if ger v can reproduce with the nightly (and its newer moz version)
16:57:08 <gerv1> clokep_work: I don't see FF or TB notifications, no.
16:57:13 <gerv1> So I may have turned them off...
16:57:27 <gerv1> I would find them too distracting full time in TB.
16:57:35 <gerv1> But I can turn them on temporarily and see what happens.
16:59:23 <clokep_work> gerv1: Could be interesting to turn it on for a few minutes and see if that crashes it, yeah. (At least we'd know if it's an Instantbird issue or a Gecko issue)
16:59:33 <clokep_work> I doubt your Tb/Fx is the same Gecko version though. :)
16:59:35 <gerv1> Yes, I just turned them on.
16:59:46 <aleth> gerv1: Which TB version are you on?
17:00:13 <gerv1> 21.0a2 Earlybird.
17:01:03 <aleth> Our current nightlies are on moz19, so that's as close as we'll get.
17:04:11 <gerv1> I think it's not IB; I was using 1.2 fine for ages before this started happening recently, and upgrading to 1.3 didn't help.
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17:08:35 <gerv1> clokep_work: No problem with TB notifications, but the TB ones appear as standard OS notifications, and the IB ones appear as slide-up toasters in the bottom right.
17:08:39 <gerv1> So it's not the same mechanism.
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17:09:07 <aleth> gerv: For me (using KDE) the notifications on IB match those in FF
17:10:18 <aleth> I wonder whether the window manager makes any difference
17:11:35 <aleth> (i.e. whether the slide-up toasters are a fallback)
17:11:51 <aleth> gerv: Would you mind trying to reproduce with an IB nightly if/when you have a moment?
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17:13:53 <aleth> clokep_work: good question. I thought that hadn't landed yet
17:14:09 <clokep_work> aleth: It landed on Nightly at least. Luckily the Windows ones haven't changed much.
17:30:03 <gerv> aleth: Where do I find an IB nightly?
17:30:15 <aleth> gerv: http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/latest-trunk/
17:30:16 <clokep_work> nightly.instantbird.im
17:32:28 <gerv> aleth: OK, I'm about to kill IB and come back.
17:32:33 <gerv> Then you can PM me again ;-)
17:32:48 <aleth> gerv: OK :)
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17:34:39 <gerv> aleth: you there?
17:34:49 <aleth> gerv: ping
17:34:52 <gerv> OK. PM me in 10, 9, 8, ...
17:35:02 <aleth> gerv: another ping
17:35:12 <gerv> OK, same toaster but no crash.
17:35:18 <gerv> Try two in quick succession.
17:35:33 <aleth> gerv: So maybe something got fixed in moz19, if we are lucky
17:35:34 <aleth> gerv: a
17:35:40 <aleth> gerv: a
17:35:43 <gerv> That now seems to be working...
17:35:55 <aleth> :)
17:35:55 <clokep_work> Moz 17, 18 or 19, I think.
17:36:00 <clokep_work> I think 1.3 was on Moz 16.
17:36:12 <aleth> clokep_work: only 16? time flies...
17:40:35 <clokep_work> aleth: Start doing the upgrades and you'll see how often it happens. ;)
17:40:47 <aleth> clokep_work: I just thought it was 17 :P
17:41:28 <aleth> We'll have to release when twitter finally obsoletes their old API anyway ;)
17:41:29 <clokep_work> aleth: Find all the Moz bugs on https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=FIXED&target_milestone=1.4 :P
17:41:47 <clokep_work> aleth: We upgraded to 17, 18 and 19 in this nightly cycle.
17:42:01 <aleth> clokep_work: I didn't say you were wrong :P
17:42:39 <aleth> Just that even 17 seems a long time ago...
17:43:17 <clokep_work> aleth: I know. I'm thinking we'll release on Moz 20, but I hvaen't told florian that yet.
17:43:50 <aleth> ft. SIPE! (sssh) ;)
17:46:18 <gerv> aleth: So do we want to investigate this more?
17:46:21 <gerv> Or just ignore it?
17:47:13 <aleth> gerv: I don't know, it would be nice to know what change fixed it, assuming it is fixed.
17:47:22 <aleth> Definitely let us know if it happens again.
17:47:52 <aleth> sorry, gtg
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17:51:19 <flo-retina> gerv: are you on a 64 bit OS?
17:51:29 <gerv> Nope.
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17:51:36 <flo-retina> Ib should use system notifications if Tb can use them :-S.
17:51:40 <gerv> gerv@mink:~$ uname -a
17:51:40 <gerv> Linux mink 3.2.0-39-generic-pae #62-Ubuntu SMP Wed Feb 27 22:25:11 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
17:51:41 <gerv> gerv@mink:~$ 
17:52:03 <gerv> Time for dinner.
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17:58:51 <clokep_work> FYI It's been 3.5 months since our last release.
17:59:51 <clokep_work> We should probably do a blog post at some point too...bleh. :(
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18:45:22 <flo-retina> is there anyway to do something useful with:
18:45:23 <flo-retina> Error: Received unexpected ERROR response:
18:45:23 <flo-retina> Closing Link: flo-retina1[ks368640.kimsufi.com] (Too many connections from your IP)
18:45:24 <flo-retina> Source File: resource:///modules/ircBase.jsm Line: 169
18:45:25 <flo-retina> ?
18:45:46 <flo-retina> we currently just display "Connection closed by server" or something similarly useless in the account manager
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19:46:25 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Maybe, is that a message from the server or an actual numeric?
19:46:42 <flo-retina> it's an ERROR sent by the server
19:47:04 <clokep_work> Ah.
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19:47:15 <clokep_work> I mean...theoretically you're supposed to show the string attached to that to the user.
19:47:20 <clokep_work> But we don't do that because that's ridiculous.
19:47:30 <clokep_work> We could try parsing it, I guess. But that's really server specific.
19:47:42 <flo-retina> I think moznet more or less always sends "ERROR Closing Link: <nick>[<your hostname>] (<reason>)" but I'm not sure
19:48:10 <clokep_work> Yeah, some of that is standard, I think.
19:48:10 <flo-retina> <reason> is the only part that matters of course
19:48:33 <clokep_work> I lied. :) The whole message is non-standard.
19:50:32 <Kaishi> is there any way to ignore the expired status of an SSL cert for connection to an IRC server using SSL?
19:50:56 <Kaishi> the mods are either incapable or otherwise inept and the cert is going on 6 months out of date.
19:51:01 <Kaishi> but I'm tired of not having SSL
19:51:34 <clokep_work> Kaishi: Importing the certificate and marking it as trusted or whatever should work fine.
19:51:41 <clokep_work> We're looking to make it easier
19:52:07 <Kaishi> I can't import it, I don't think
19:57:40 <clokep_work> Kaishi: Because you don't have the cert or a different reason?
19:58:00 <Kaishi> I don't have the cert to import
19:58:06 <Kaishi> I'd need to get a copy of the .cer which I don't have
19:58:52 <clokep_work> There's a patch in bug 1100. ;)
19:58:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors
19:59:11 <Kaishi> gotcha.  I mean, I'm really mad at the ops for not handling it.
19:59:20 <Kaishi> but, they either won't or can't for some reason
19:59:31 <Kaishi> I've been reporting it to them for many months
20:00:18 <flo-retina> can't you just import the cert by typing https://<servername>:6697 somewhere in the dialog and letting it download the cert from the server?
20:00:47 <Kaishi> trying that now
20:00:52 <Kaishi> I think it is firewalled off
20:01:01 <Kaishi> I don't think it responds to HTTPS
20:01:07 <flo-retina> it's not HTTPS, it's SSL
20:01:24 <Kaishi> no I understand but, it just doesn't load anything
20:01:39 <flo-retina> Kaishi: you are not trying to load this in your browser, are you?
20:01:55 <Kaishi> I just tried that in a browser >_>
20:02:10 <Kaishi> where else could I do it?
20:02:27 <flo-retina> what I was suggesting was in the preference dialog: Advanced -> Encryption -> View Certificates -> Servers -> Add Exception…
20:03:37 <Kaishi> got it!
20:03:40 <Kaishi> let's see if that works.
20:05:17 <Kaishi> yup
20:05:25 <Kaishi> works, that's exactly what I needed to do
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21:17:23 <Mic> clokep_work: do you know if an add-on that is licensed with MPL2.0 include a library that is Apache 2.0 licensed?
21:18:03 <Mic> *can include
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22:00:21 <leandro> good night
22:00:47 <leandro> Mic: all the icons of EOL are gpl'ed
22:01:16 <leandro> there are a few creative-commons, i think
22:04:33 <Mic> leandro: hi
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22:06:50 <Mic> You chose MPL as license for your extensions. Unfortunately that's not compatible with the GPL :( I think choosing GPL3 should be safe here.
22:07:40 <leandro> hmmm
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22:08:05 <leandro> i will dig into the icons license
22:08:20 <leandro> im not sure about this right now
22:08:27 <Mic> OK
22:08:29 <Mic> Licenses suck, and the GPL even more so ;)
22:08:43 <leandro> hehe well, thats a large topic
22:09:29 <leandro> anyway, in case of need, can i change the license "on-the-fly" for the extension or must i re-upload it?
22:11:31 <flo-retina> I think you can change it on the website
22:12:19 <leandro> nice
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22:30:14 <clokep> Mic: We're going to include some Apache 2.0 code soon, does that answer your question? ;)
22:30:41 <clokep> Mic: Extensions don't need to be GPL compatible.
22:30:57 <clokep> (At least in my mind they don't.)
22:31:05 <clokep> If a user uses it with GPL code they're break GPL, not the author.
22:31:28 <flo-retina> clokep: My understanding of what M ic said is that the add-on contains MPL code and GPL icons.
22:32:10 <clokep> Ah.
22:32:11 <flo-retina> clokep: I'm not even sure a user would violate the GPL in that case; as the license is mostly about the right to (re)distribute, not to use.
22:32:26 <clokep> That probably depends on who you ask. ;)
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22:32:43 <flo-retina> I'm not planning on asking that soon :-P
22:40:02 <Mic> flo-retina: it was an emoticon theme, it didn't even include code. It was licensed with MPL on AIO while leandr o said that the icons were GPL'd.
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