#instantbird log on 03 13 2013

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00:30:40 <Mic> uh, it's getting late :(
00:31:06 <Mic> I'm still reviewing the default-parameter-patch...
00:31:17 <Mic> It's longer than I remembered ;)
00:32:51 <clokep> :)
00:32:58 <clokep> It's a good one.
00:43:54 <Mic> I hope my review is acceptable.
00:43:59 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com denied review for attachment 2266 on bug 1893.
00:44:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1893 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Javascript default parameters where applicable
00:44:25 <Mic> I'm not doing that often, so please let me know which things were OK comments and which I could have done better somehow.
00:44:37 <clokep> Mic: Sure thing. :) Thanks for the feedback.
00:44:44 <Mic> (Please review my comments?;)
00:45:27 <Mic> d'oh. That was supposed to be "Please review my review comments". It's too late already - good night!
00:45:43 <clokep> :) Good night!
00:50:53 <Mic> I'm interested in doing reviews sometimes, to get some practice, by the way
00:51:18 <clokep> OK! :)
00:51:45 <clokep> I don't usually send them to you since you work on so many different things I don't have a good gauge of what you'd enjoy reviewing.
00:53:49 <Mic> I'm not sure either which ones I'd enjoy but I'm sure we'll find out. Good night now :)
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00:58:01 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2267 on bug 1828.
00:58:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1828 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update to Mozilla 19
01:02:55 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2268 on bug 1828.
01:02:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1828 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update to Mozilla 19
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01:50:14 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aleth@instantbird.o rg for attachment 2269 on bug 851.
01:50:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=851 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Twitter commands
01:59:00 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2270 on bug 1100.
01:59:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors
02:01:22 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2271 on bug 1100.
02:01:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors
02:02:51 <clokep> Well if flo thought he cleaned out his review queue at all... ;)
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03:42:58 <instant-buildbot> build #806 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/806
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04:32:27 <instant-buildbot> build #803 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/803
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05:43:00 <instant-buildbot> build #897 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/897
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08:21:45 <flo-retina> Good morning
08:22:09 * flo-retina wonders how come clokep_work is connected at a time that looks like 4am for him
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08:22:33 <flo-retina> clokep_work: "if flo thought he cleaned out his review queue at all..." I already know that most r- don't clean up anything at all ;)
08:29:10 <EionRobb> :)
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08:47:12 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2267 on bug 1828.
08:47:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1828 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update to Mozilla 19
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09:42:07 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2271 on bug 1100.
09:42:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors
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10:07:37 <flo-retina> clokep: good morning :
10:07:37 <flo-retina> )
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10:13:04 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 2270 on bug 1100.
10:13:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors
10:13:49 <flo-retina> clokep: see, my review queue is as clean (or cluttered :-S) as when I went to bed yesterday ;).
10:15:47 <clokep> flo-retina: That was fsat. :)
10:16:16 <flo-retina> I don't understand why I didn't notice the type mismatch yesterday.
10:16:34 <flo-retina> I guess my assumption was that you tested the code and it worked.
10:17:17 <flo-retina> ah, aStatus.foo would have returned undefined which evaluated to false
10:20:02 <flo-retina> handleBadCertificate was likely always returning Ci.prplIAccount.ERROR_CERT_OTHER_ERROR
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10:22:04 <clokep> I did test my code. :P
10:23:53 <clokep> flo-retina: I'm confused at why I wouldn't need to check if "track" was the option that changed. Couldn't there potentially be another preference in that branch that someone is flipping?
10:23:56 <clokep> That's why that check is there.
10:24:28 <flo-retina> clokep: I was suggesting including "track" in the name of the branch, so that you would only observe one pref instead of a branch
10:24:45 <clokep> Ahhhh...that wasn't clear to me.
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10:25:44 <clokep> Ohhhh...I totally misread that line in the comment.
10:25:57 <clokep> I thought you point was to use "false" as the third parameter (which I already am doing).
10:26:04 <clokep> so I was very confused. :)
10:35:47 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aleth@instantbird.o rg for attachment 2272 on bug 677.
10:35:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Reopen Twitter stream when "track" preference changes
10:36:08 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2272 on bug 677.
10:38:00 <clokep> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/locales/en-US/commands.properties#13 :( That's done differently than the IRC commands.
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10:40:55 <clokep> Ah I found another place we could have used startsWith: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/components/src/imCommands.js#180
10:45:21 <flo-retina> clokep: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/protocols/twitter/twitter.js#726 isn't your friend ;)
10:46:18 <flo-retina> I think it would work if you moved |this.prefs.removeObserver("track", this);| inside the |if (this._streamTimeout) {| block instead
10:46:49 <clokep> I thought I did that...
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10:47:12 <clokep> I did do that.
10:47:26 <flo-retina> is a new patch coming, or should I r-?
10:47:37 <clokep> I don't understand what you want me to change.
10:47:39 <flo-retina> clokep: well, https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=2272&action=diff disagrees ;)
10:47:58 <clokep> flo-retina: No it doesn't.
10:48:10 <clokep> Lines 915 - 919 of twitter.js
10:48:30 <flo-retina> I'm suggesting that you move "this.prefs.removeObserver("track", this);" (currently at line 918) to line 914
10:49:12 <clokep> OK.
10:49:14 <flo-retina> because when there's an error on the stream, we delete this._streamingRequest to avoid the this._streamingRequest.abort() call that would fail on an already closed stream
10:49:30 <clokep> I see.
10:49:45 <flo-retina> is it clear now?
10:49:50 <clokep> Hopefully this will work properly on a disconnected account.
10:51:11 <flo-retina> would be nice to test this (check that the observer is correctly removed when the account is disconnected cleanly, when it's disconnected because of an error on the stream (not sure how to reproduce that :-S), and when the account is deleted)
10:51:47 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 2272 on bug 677.
10:51:47 <flo-retina> possibly also at shutdown, but I would hope the shutdown code path goes the same way as either a normal disconnect or an account deletion
10:51:48 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2273 on bug 677.
10:51:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Reopen Twitter stream when "track" preference changes
10:54:59 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from aleth@instantbird.org for attachment 2273 on bug 677.
10:55:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Reopen Twitter stream when "track" preference changes
10:57:42 <clokep> Yay for fixing old bugs? :P
10:58:07 <clokep> I did check the normal disconnect case.
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11:01:29 <flo-retina> that's a bug that was in the 1.0-wanted list iirc
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11:30:15 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1897 filed by kkaja@adobe.com.
11:30:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1897 blo, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Unable to set focus to chat window (Accessibility)
11:40:57 <Mic> hmm
11:41:09 * flo-retina replied in the bug
11:42:03 <Mic> Sounds possible, yes :)
11:42:14 <Mic> bye!
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11:56:13 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I forgot to kill my SSH connection at work before leaving. ;)
12:09:44 * flo-retina has no idea of what could cause the convbrowser to no longer be focusable :-S
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14:38:14 <clokep_work> I don't know how people leave Instantbird open for days on end. :(
14:38:20 <clokep_work> The scrollback takes so long to load...
14:39:07 <flo-retina> clokep_work: we need to fix that ;)
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14:41:12 <clokep_work> flo-retina: My quick fix now is to part rooms and rejoin. :P
14:41:33 <flo-retina> that doesn't load the scrollback ;)
14:42:13 <clokep_work> flo-retina: That's my point.
14:42:28 <clokep_work> The conversation load much faster from hold now.
14:45:32 <flo-retina> we should get rid of the css transition on the opacity of new messages when displaying a log
14:45:39 <flo-retina> that should completely change the perceived performance
14:47:05 <flo-retina> and maybe force the vertical scrollbar to be there all the time to avoid the "jump" when it appears
14:52:14 <clokep_work> That could help.
14:53:40 <flo-retina> when a conversation almost fits in the log viewer (I would way, with the last message within 10px of the bottom of the window *before* adding the "8 days 5 hours" ago text, the auto-scroll features turns itself on
14:53:43 <flo-retina> that seems quite wrong
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16:17:54 <clokep_work> Hello. :)
16:22:45 <YH> Nobody here :(
16:24:15 <flo-retina> YH: hello Nobody :)
16:24:38 <YH> erh... ok
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16:28:29 <YH> Is the QQ engine in Instantbird an fork of libqq?
16:30:27 <flo-retina> YH: I think so, yes.
16:30:52 <YH> Why not a self developed one?
16:31:05 <flo-retina> because you didn't develop it for us ;)
16:31:13 <YH> QQ has the largest usergroup in the world
16:31:26 <flo-retina> none of us use it.
16:32:04 <flo-retina> so even just checking if our QQ support works is already difficult ;)
16:32:14 <YH> Well, I know nothing about working programming - I mean, all I did is
16:32:32 <YH> It does not support QQ today
16:32:52 <YH> bug 1798
16:32:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1798 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Update libqq-pidgin to 0.72
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16:34:30 <clokep_work> I don't rememebr seeing numbers saying that QQ is the biggest network...but that info is probably pretty closed.
16:34:39 <clokep_work> If someone wanted to work on our QQ support we'd be quite happy w/ that.
16:34:59 <YH> I think one of the reason why nobody use QQ with Instantbird is - it does not have a Chinese version, nor does it support sharing files/remote assistant features
16:35:42 <YH> but when I'm trying to download a TortHQ, I realized that it was blocked by the great firewall
16:43:17 <YH> clokep_work: why not port newest libqq in? It utilize QQ2011 login method, and my QQ2011 still works today.
16:44:55 <clokep_work> YH: Because I've had no reports that it works and no way to test it myself.
16:45:24 <clokep_work> YH: If someone wanted to translate Instantbird to Chinese, that would be cool. :)
16:45:50 <YH> I can test a compiled nightly builds, and I can do simple compling works
16:47:37 <YH> clokep_work: or, if you want, you can register an English account http://www.imqq.com/ to test it
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16:50:48 <clokep_work> YH: The other issue is that we don't currently handle the captcha at all.
16:50:58 <clokep_work> YH: Do you know if the current libqq plugin works in Pidgin?
16:51:49 <YH> sorry, Instantbird has just crashed
16:52:10 <YH> didn't receive message before "The other issue is that"
16:52:26 <YH> I do not have a Pidgin
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16:53:01 <YH> oh... the Chinese CAPTCHA o_o
16:53:30 <flo-retina> YH: this channel is logged, so you can find out which messages you missed by looking at the log (the address is in the topic)
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16:54:30 <YH> flo-retina: Where can I check the online log?
16:55:46 <clokep_work> YH: It's in the topic. :)
16:55:56 <clokep_work> It's log.bezut.info though, I think.
16:56:40 <clokep_work> (No one said anything while you were gone though.)
16:57:14 <clokep_work> YH: Yeah, I could check w/ my English account. I forget why I didn't do that. I had reports from someone though that the newest libqq wasn't working anyway.
17:00:28 <YH> I'll download a Pidgin later
17:02:41 <flo-retina> clokep_work: because it asked you for a captcha? ;)
17:03:40 <flo-retina> clokep_work: or even, didn't ask for it ;)
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17:07:45 <YH> flo-retina: It would be interesting if Tencent offer an English version with Chinese CAPTCHA. If I were an English speaker, I prefer a Chinese version with English CAPTCHA
17:08:20 <flo-retina> YH: what about just not putting captcha there?
17:08:39 <flo-retina> as far as I know, it's the only IM network that annoys users with captchas ;)
17:09:37 <YH> "putting captcha there?" How to?
17:09:49 <YH> Yes, tencent is disgusting
17:09:54 <YH> but people use it
17:10:56 <YH> as for the CAPTCHA, it's because of the amount of users who use it, many of whom are sockpuppet
17:17:03 <YH> Hmm indeed. The newest version of libqq does not work
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17:22:44 <YH> clokep_work: Feature request: Can Instantbird float on the top of my screen, like what QQ and Fetion did?
17:22:55 <clokep_work> I have no idea what Fetion is. ;)
17:23:03 <clokep_work> I think Mic made an extension for that. One second
17:23:15 <clokep_work> YH: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/262/
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17:25:13 <YH> clokep_work: not this function.
17:26:13 <YH> it should be best described as "floating" and "Adsorption" and "auto hide"
17:27:14 <YH> when the main window place on top of the screen, it first adsorpt itself on the top-line, then auto-hide itself
17:27:49 <clokep_work> YH: I'm unsure I understand. :-/ Always this vaguely sounds like something flo-retina was talking about with a user recently.
17:27:50 <YH> and reappear when your mouse placed on top of the screen, but not
17:27:55 <clokep_work> (Also, do you know why you keep crashing?)
17:28:21 <YH> No, it didn't crash recently
17:28:35 <YH> and the first crash is due to MSPY IME
17:29:25 <YH> The Microsoft Pinyin IME, if not properly manipulated, often cause window crash
17:30:59 <clokep_work> :(
17:32:00 <YH> clokep_work: Can I send screenshot?
17:32:11 <YH> you IM? MSN/Yahoo
17:32:33 <YH> clokep_work: or GTalk
17:32:49 <YH> any of the three?
17:33:12 <clokep_work> YH: Could you upload it to an image sharing site instead?
17:33:23 <clokep_work> I'm not on any other service except IRC when I'm _work.
17:34:43 <YH> http://www.ziddu.com/download/21799373/QQfloating.png.html
17:35:04 <YH> 1338178-3
17:35:42 <clokep_work> I'll check that when I get home.
17:36:02 <YH> You do not need to download it
17:36:09 <YH> It has preview
17:36:39 <YH> http://www.ziddu.com/gallery/21799373/QQfloating.png.html
17:36:39 <YH> Don't forget to press "View FullSize"
17:36:46 <flo-retina> http://www.ziddu.com/view1.php?file=dGVtcDIvMjAxMy8zLzEzL1AvMTM2MzE5NjA2OV9RUWZsb2F0aW5nLnBuZw==&tid=1363196185
17:36:55 <flo-retina> but maybe there's a session cookie
17:37:17 <flo-retina> that crappy website opened 2 popups in the process of displaying that image
17:37:47 <YH> Oh yes. This Website like Ads
17:38:06 <flo-retina> YH: why don't you use a different one? ;)
17:38:09 <clokep_work> YH: So when you mouse over that it slides onto the screen or something?
17:38:14 <dew> so it's docked like the start menu?
17:38:30 <YH> yes
17:38:50 <YH> but you have to click to popup the start menu.
17:39:07 <YH> you do not need to press anything in this case
17:39:37 <dew> yes like when it's hidden you bring your cursor to it's location and it pops out?
17:40:42 <YH> Actually I like its ads because its ads is never shown to the user - unlike some Chinese website, who mimic many fake download link and only one are true (others link to ad-site)
17:40:53 <YH> dew: Yes
17:41:24 <YH> flo-retina: slides onto the screen? how to?
17:42:43 <Mook_as> so, something like guake / yakuake / the quake console thing? (well, that one is triggered by ~, but you get the idea...)
17:43:50 <YH> clokep_work: slides onto the screen? how to do that?
17:44:18 <clokep_work> YH: I don't know. I'm trying to understand.
17:44:26 <YH> flo-retina: i don't use a different one because Chinese uploading sites are often more creepy :)
17:44:51 <YH> clokep_work: YH: So when you mouse over that it slides onto the screen or something?
17:44:53 <flo-retina> YH: next time try http://minus.com/
17:45:09 <YH> Thank you!
17:45:47 <YH> flo-retina: oops. Minus can only Upload/Download photoes
17:46:15 <YH> I like one that I can upload anything on :)
17:47:07 <YH> I often use http://ishare.iask.sina.com.cn though, which contains few advertisement
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17:48:34 <YH> clokep_work: Sorry, I just realized that "YH: So when you mouse over that it slides onto the screen or something?" is a question
17:48:47 <YH> so ignore my question pls
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17:53:34 <clokep_work> dew: Testing something? :)
17:53:37 <clokep_work> YH: OK! :)
17:54:00 <clokep_work> YH: So did I hear you say somewhere that the newest version of libqq doesn't actually work with QQ?
17:54:16 <YH> Yes
17:54:31 <YH> clokep_work: Yes
17:54:39 <dew> not quite yet, I have to finish redoing some old homework assignment so I can refamiliarize myself with pthreads and sockets in C++
17:57:50 <YH> dew: Ahhh... We are both students. You can develop a software now while I can only finish my C homework...
17:58:30 <dew> haha I was a student I just want to redo this assignment before I put the code on my github
17:59:13 <clokep_work> Threads, yay! :p
17:59:34 <flo-retina> nobody looks at what's thrown at github, you can put whatever non-working code you want there ;)
18:00:33 <Mook_as> also your .ssh/* and .bash_history with all the passwords ;)
18:00:53 <flo-retina> Mook_as: isn't github a backup service? ;)
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18:04:54 <dew> I had one prospective employer actually ask if I had a github page so I'm pretty weary of it now
18:05:03 <dew> plus my real name is my username on there...
18:05:26 <flo-retina> dew: isn't 'no' an appropriate answer to that question? :)
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18:07:32 <dew> yes but I thought that giving it to them would get me a job; apparently it didn't
18:10:23 * clokep_work wonders what kind of job dew is looking for.
18:10:51 <dew> it was some sort of systems engineering job
18:11:26 <dew> I think it was integration of a whole bunch of apps into a nice web page or something
18:13:06 <YH> clokep_work: Can you port Ofetion into Instantbird? Fetion is also a popular IM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetion
18:13:19 <YH> though not very popular
18:13:36 <YH> http://code.google.com/p/ofetion/
18:14:39 <YH> or https://github.com/levin108/hybrid
18:14:49 <flo-retina> or https://github.com/standin000/fetion
18:15:21 <dew> it's a mobile IM like oneapp or imessage?
18:17:01 <dew> clokep_work do you work for Mozilla like flo-retina?
18:17:02 <YH> dew: it's either a PC->SMS IM or a PC->PC IM
18:17:07 <flo-retina> dew: not yet
18:17:11 <flo-retina> :-P
18:17:21 <YH> flo-retina: yes, this one is better
18:17:40 <YH> uhhh... I mean, at least looks better
18:19:30 <clokep_work> dew: No, I don't. :P
18:19:49 <clokep_work> YH: I'd certainly help someone do it, but I'm not inrested in doing it myself, sorry.
18:20:01 <clokep_work> I'm in the process of doing enough protos right now. :)
18:20:20 <flo-retina> yeah, better get some of them finished before starting more :)
18:20:32 <YH> :)
18:20:35 <flo-retina> or at least "finished" enough that other contributors can start poking at them
18:20:54 <clokep_work> Exactly!
18:21:02 <clokep_work> My plan is to get oscar finished enough to jcranmer finishes it. ;)
18:21:04 <clokep_work> But don't tell him that.
18:21:16 <flo-retina> has he shown some interest in it?
18:21:32 <flo-retina> I thought Mic was going to finish it (or at least to polish the ICQ aspects) :-S
18:21:54 <flo-retina> (even though I don't remember him ever volunteering for that :-D)
18:23:12 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Apparently the only reason he doesn't use Daily is so he can use AIM using your TB extension.
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18:23:54 <YH> Downloaded 50% TortoiseHG... with Xunlei's "High-Speed Channel". The other 50% cannot be downloaded today because the channel is closed
18:24:01 <flo-retina> clokep_work: get him to install Instantbird instead ;)
18:24:42 <flo-retina> clokep_work: or to maintain that crappy add-on for me/us.
18:25:35 <YH> clokep_work, flo-retina: I think I cannot get enough info, comparing with ChatZilla.
18:25:46 <dew> so the goal is to rewrite all the protocols to JS?
18:26:05 <YH> such as PING, WHOIS, etc.
18:27:10 <flo-retina> YH: I've no idea of what that means
18:27:18 <flo-retina> dew: only those that anybody cares about
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18:27:41 <dew> oscar is still pretty popular :P
18:27:42 <flo-retina> dew: I mean, cares enough about to start a JS implementation, and get it into a working state :)
18:27:53 <YH> flo-retina: In ChatZilla, I can PING or WHOIS a user such as "flo-retina"
18:27:55 <flo-retina> dew: clokep is working on oscar
18:28:03 <flo-retina> YH: you can in Instantbird too
18:28:08 <dew> if only I could write a skype protocol!
18:28:24 <dew> or plugin I should say
18:28:27 <flo-retina> dew: that part is difficult, but you can convince clokep to work a bit more on some experiments he had a while ago ;)
18:28:47 <YH> flo-retina: Could you teach me how? I can't find this function
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18:29:17 <flo-retina> see the list of participants in the right side of the window? Just keep your mouse over a nick, and the WHOIS results will appear in the tooltip
18:29:51 <YH> Ahhh.... It's automatically
18:29:54 <flo-retina> and if it's for someone not in the room, you can type /whois <nickname>
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18:30:03 <flo-retina> YH: yes, it's automatic, because there's no reason it shouldn't be ;)
18:30:03 <YH> I tried to rightclick it
18:30:47 <flo-retina> chatzilla teaches users such crazy habits :( ;)
18:31:03 <YH> What does a star mean?
18:31:08 <flo-retina> operator
18:31:37 <YH> I mean, only you two have one
18:31:50 <YH> =regeristered
18:32:00 <YH> =regeristered alias?
18:32:16 <YH> or?
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18:32:49 <YH> flo-retina: I recognized the bot symbol
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18:40:19 <YH> Bug! Mojibake in Usergroup in Yahoo!
18:40:32 <clokep_work> YH: Gold star is "operator", silver star is "half-operator", the bots are both "voiced".
18:40:57 <YH> clokep_work: thks!
18:41:29 <YH> emmm... it's called Tag in Instantbird
18:41:39 <YH> Mojibake in UserTag in Yahoo!
18:42:00 <YH> Does it support UTF-8?
18:42:42 <clokep_work> YH: Yes.
18:43:21 <clokep_work> YH: Bug 453?
18:43:22 <YH> looks as it it does not support UTF8 Tag name
18:43:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Yahoo group name: unicode characters displayed incorrectly
18:44:31 <YH> Yes... Seems to be this
18:44:48 <YH> instantbot: Can I call you?
18:44:51 <instantbot> YH: Sorry, I've no idea what 'Can I call you' might be.
18:45:18 <YH> instantbot: :D
18:45:21 <instantbot> YH: Sorry, I've no idea what 'D' might be.
18:46:25 <YH> instantbot: bug 12345
18:46:28 <instantbot> Bug 12345 was not found.
18:49:15 <clokep_work> YH: So that looks like it's an upstream issue -- i.e. nothign we can do about it.
18:49:32 <Mook_as> universal chardet! :p
18:49:50 <Mook_as> (okay, probably not useful for comment 0 of that bug)
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18:54:03 <clokep_work> Mook_as: On like a 20 character string? Sounds like your songbird code.
18:54:23 <Mook_as> it seemed to mostly work! :p
18:55:24 <YH> clokep_work: the thing is I cannot copy the text, nor can I check its 16bit code
18:55:49 <YH> clokep_work: so I don't know what coding error was happen
18:56:30 <clokep_work> DOM inspector could probably get it for you.
18:56:59 <YH> clokep_work: Ok
18:57:06 <YH> I know what to do
18:57:17 <YH> we can close Bug 453 now
18:57:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Yahoo group name: unicode characters displayed incorrectly
18:58:02 <clokep_work> YH: If it's still a bug, why would we close it? :)
18:58:08 <YH> Change locale=us to locale=hk and then remains code=UTF-8, success
18:58:16 <YH> :)
18:59:04 <clokep_work> YH: The "chat room locale" in the Yahoo options?
18:59:12 <YH> so it's not a bug but a missetting on locale
18:59:14 <YH> yes
18:59:43 <YH> I'm using Yahoo! Messenger Traditional Chinese (Hong Kong)
19:01:42 <YH> clokep_work: If locale can be automatically checked from my account, it would be better
19:02:58 <YH> clokep_work: But there's another bug: I have a Tag/Group contains no buddies - it's not shown in Instantbird
19:03:00 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 453 to INVALID.
19:03:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Yahoo group name: unicode characters displayed incorrectly
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20:42:39 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Btw...when I was messing again with bug 1100, connecting to LJ threw a bunch of errors about empty elements (I think we receive an empty buddy icon).
20:42:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors
20:42:47 <clokep_work> Are these stuff I should file or?
20:43:17 <flo-retina> probably
20:43:25 <flo-retina> I would like to see a debug log to tell you for sure ;)
20:43:36 <clokep_work> :)
20:43:42 <clokep_work> I was kind of assuming they're doing something stupid.
20:44:36 <flo-retina> our JS-XMPP code is probably not very resistant to unexpected content
20:46:12 <clokep_work> Yes.
20:46:24 <clokep_work> Btw if you have a few minutes to read over the GSoC doc, that'd be nice! :)
20:46:44 <flo-retina> looking
20:47:46 <flo-retina> "WebRTC calls between JS-XMPP and Jingle" I wonder if that's really a good project.
20:48:14 <flo-retina> it fits into the category of things I could do during a raining week-end
20:48:18 <clokep_work> I have no idea. What I did was take all the ones that had mentors (e.g. that you or I had said we'd mentor).
20:48:27 <flo-retina> so it may be too short for a summer of code project
20:48:33 <clokep_work> OK.
20:48:41 <clokep_work> That's understandable.
20:48:47 <flo-retina> a student would of course need to learn a bunch of things before actually getting started
20:49:03 <flo-retina> but if it takes more than a month, the student is really doing a poor job
20:49:20 <flo-retina> well, except if he takes the opportunity to rewrite the whole JS-XMPP code with a better XML API
20:50:11 <flo-retina> "FileLinks in IMs" I wonder if we could get m conley to (co)mentor that
20:50:38 <clokep_work> Yeah...although we wouldn't really implement providers...but I guess he knows how it works better. :)
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20:52:55 <dew> that would be awesome
20:53:12 <flo-retina> oh well, the WebRTC stuff in XMPP could very well go into "Improve JS-XMPP"
20:53:23 <flo-retina> most of the work is converting SDP into Jingle's XML
20:53:50 <flo-retina> clokep_work: filelink in IM would be a Tb project ;)
20:55:12 <clokep_work> flo-retina: But I want it for IB too! :P
20:55:30 <flo-retina> if it's in chat/ and Ib is in c-c... ;)
20:55:54 <clokep_work> Yeah... :)
20:56:07 <clokep_work> Well we can ask mconley if he'd be interested. :P Isn't that really the only way to find out?
21:04:58 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Well I merged the WebRTC XMPP stuff into the "improve XMPP", I think the "harder" part of that is designing the interfaces, UI, etc. that gets a bit beyond the "improve XMPP" part.
21:05:57 <flo-retina> well, if the student just adds a /call command to initiate a call, and a notification bar with accept/reject buttons on the receiving end, that's good enough for SoC IMHO
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21:08:04 <clokep_work> True. :)
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21:10:43 <clokep_work> Btw the licensing of the OTR idea and the Skype stuff isn't entirely clear to me, but they could be developed as extensions...
21:11:07 <clokep_work> Aleth has a comment there about not wanting OTR in core, but I thought we discussed it and decided it would be good in core...as long as the UX is good.
21:11:09 <flo-retina> the licensing of an idea? :-S
21:11:28 <clokep_work> flo-retina: No. The licensing of the code (e.g. if libotr were used).
21:11:38 <clokep_work> And Skype couldn't be distributed with GPL libpurple.
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21:12:10 <flo-retina> libpurple could be an add-on
21:12:37 <flo-retina> if oscar is in JS, the only people who would still need libpurple are users of yahoo, and of a few niche protocols
21:12:47 <flo-retina> ah, well, there's Bonjour too :-/
21:13:37 <clokep_work> We'd also need to figure out DNS SRV support?
21:13:42 <flo-retina> clokep_work: "Feature-parity with libpurple's XMPP support is one of the prerequisites for replacing the libpurple XMPP plug-in that is currently used." does that mean the student has to figure out a way out of the DNS SRV sorry story?
21:13:48 <flo-retina> heh :)
21:14:15 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Hah, not what I meant! :(
21:14:21 <clokep_work> I meant from an XMPP perspective.
21:16:15 <clokep_work> (Btw I was really iffy on that sentence in general, but I thought it was a reasonable thing to shoot for.)
21:17:01 <flo-retina> who wrote "    to gloda or not to gloda?"? :-D
21:18:26 <clokep_work> I have no idea. It wasn't one of us...
21:19:57 <flo-retina> clokep_work: in the description of "    Additional JavaScript protocol plug-ins", do want to suggest yahoo, or let the interested student figure it out by talking to us?
21:20:04 <flo-retina> (other prpl ideas are welcome of course :))
21:20:14 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Looks like it was an unnamed author.
21:20:16 <flo-retina> would okcupid be a valid SoC prpl idea?
21:20:32 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I think so!
21:20:40 <clokep_work> Although it might be really easy. :-/
21:20:42 <flo-retina> is dew still a student?
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21:21:02 <clokep_work> I don't think we should suggest Yahoo specifically.
21:21:13 <clokep_work> (Yahoo would probably be easier after I've done OSCAR and we have a binary prpl in JS already.)
21:21:35 <flo-retina> except you've already done oscar :-P
21:21:42 <flo-retina> and are we sure yahoo is really binary?
21:21:47 <flo-retina> I thought there was some HTTP in there too
21:22:23 <clokep_work> Oh, it might be.
21:22:27 <clokep_work> I haven't looked in a while.
21:23:23 <flo-retina> neither have I
21:25:54 * clokep_work shrugs.
21:26:05 <clokep_work> flo-retina: If we're really considering that our priority as a next JS prpl, then we should mention it by name.
21:26:32 <flo-retina> clokep_work: It's not my priority
21:26:49 <flo-retina> clokep_work: it's the most important one if we want to start talking seriously about dropping libpurple.
21:26:59 <flo-retina> clokep_work: but I don't mind if we don't drop it for another few years.
21:27:45 <clokep_work> flo-retina: OK! :)
21:27:47 <flo-retina> I'm personally much more interested in having indexed logs, and a UI that sucks less.
21:27:55 <clokep_work> I agree.
21:28:14 <clokep_work> I mostly want the "Awesometab" :)
21:28:53 <flo-retina> I want to experiment with a all-in-one UI, or a fullscreen UI with a tiled conversation display
21:29:31 <clokep_work> I didn't say I want to /make/ the "awesometab", just that I want to /use/ it. :P
21:30:14 <flo-retina> clokep_work: well, I want to "use" it for the 2 stuff I mentioned
21:30:45 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I just feel that several rounds of reviews for these things would represent more effort than implementing it myself
21:30:58 <clokep_work> flo-retina: That's fair enough.
21:31:06 * clokep_work is s/_work//
21:31:29 <flo-retina> so for SoC I would like to favor projects that don't depend only on my review queue ;)
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21:48:10 <Mic> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today#m335 ;)
21:48:38 <flo-retina> Mic: :)
21:48:44 <Mic> Well, I'm really using ICQ. With .. two contacts?
21:49:59 <Mic> I'd help but I'm also only using the most basic features of it.
21:50:33 <flo-retina> well, that means you are already using it much more than most others here ;)
21:54:04 <Mic> Indeed ;)
21:54:23 <Mic> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today#m365 :(
21:56:55 <flo-retina> Mic: we should 'document' that in the tooltips ;)
21:56:58 <Mic> And I posted /today/ links again. I hate that. It breaks the logs :(
21:57:07 <Mic> *an /today/ link
22:01:16 <dew> flo-retina: I am not a student anymore
22:01:52 <Mic> flo-retina: did you want to recruite dew for GSoC? ;)
22:02:43 <flo-retina> Mic: just wanted to give him an opportunity to collect a few bucks if he implemented an okcupid prpl
22:06:44 <Mic> function x(a = a.toLowerCase()) { return a;} x("ABCDEF");
22:07:13 <Mic> That was just an idea ... and it didn't work ;)
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22:21:45 <clokep> Mic: You can only use parameters that come BEFORE it.
22:22:04 <clokep> You could do x(a, b = a.toLowerCase()) { return a; }
22:22:10 <Mic> Yes, that why I didn't expect it to work but it didn't hurt to try anyways,
22:22:12 <clokep> Oops, that should return b.
22:22:13 <Mic> *anways.
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22:25:14 <flo-retina> so bug 1828 is ready to try, right?
22:25:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1828 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update to Mozilla 19
22:25:41 <clokep> flo-retina: Yes.
22:29:03 <clokep> Good luck compiling... ;)
22:29:54 <flo-retina> clokep: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/156824
22:30:08 <clokep> Twitter API blackout tests https://dev.twitter.com/blog/api-v1-retirement-update
22:31:09 <clokep> flo-retina: Looks fun. :P
22:32:29 <flo-retina> the only really interesting line is:
22:32:29 <flo-retina> distutils.errors.DistutilsPlatformError: $MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET mismatch: now "10.5" but "10.8" during configure
22:32:40 <clokep> Yeah, that seems...weird.
22:33:30 <flo-retina> the code around http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/configure.in#881 looks wrong
22:33:40 <flo-retina> I'm pretty sure there's a c-c patch for it that we need to port
22:33:55 <clokep> :-/ Sorry I can't test Mac OS stuff.
22:35:10 <flo-retina> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-release/diff/53dc82062ba8/configure.in is a good candidate
22:36:04 <clokep> At least it failed in configure...that's quick to test. :)
22:36:50 <clokep> flo-retina: Would a comment like "Replace the command name in the string since they are not localizable." be a reasonable comment for bug 851?
22:36:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=851 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Twitter commands
22:37:30 <flo-retina> that patch doesn't apply because we haven't dropped the WINCE stuff yet
22:38:27 <flo-retina> clokep: kinda. Wasn't your explanation the other day clearer than that?
22:38:44 <flo-retina> saying "so that localizers don't attempt to translate it" or something
22:38:49 <dew> didn't the Instantbird BZ get migrated to BMO?
22:39:54 <flo-retina> do I have any chance that such a large patch as http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-release/rev/efe3697a5648 will apply cleanly?
22:39:58 <flo-retina> dew: no
22:40:12 <clokep> dew: No.
22:40:32 <clokep> flo-retina: I give it 1 in 187 chance of applying cleanly.
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22:40:57 <flo-retina> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/156825
22:41:00 <clokep> flo-retina: My explanation the other day was "So translators do not translate the command name."
22:41:05 <flo-retina> pastebin support directly in ib would save me so many clicks...
22:41:21 <clokep> Honestly that's better than I would have expected.
22:41:29 <flo-retina> yeah, same for me
22:41:48 <flo-retina> still too messy for me to want to try to make it apply tonight though
22:41:54 <flo-retina> I'll just hack the part of the other diff that didn't want to apply
22:42:31 <flo-retina> bah, "distutils.errors.DistutilsPlatformError: $MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET mismatch: now "10.6" but "10.8" during configure"
22:42:51 <flo-retina> that just replaced 10.5 with 10.6 in the error message :(
22:43:00 <clokep> :-/
22:43:51 <clokep> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/156826 is what I have for that bug now...not sure if the comment is clean enough.
22:44:07 <clokep> dew: Btw the omegle protocol is pretty simple if you wanted one to look at .
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22:46:11 <flo-retina> clokep: "the command name" can be replaced by just "it" at the end of the sentence. It's OK with me.
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22:46:45 <flo-retina> ah, also s/string/help string/
22:46:46 <Mic> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/130313/#m519 :)
22:47:24 <Mic> This message was automatically rewritten. /today/ and /yesterday/ are replaced with the dates before sending :)
22:47:58 * flo-retina is tired of that "it doesn't compile" issue every 6 weeks
22:48:08 <flo-retina> could it be easier to have it more often but with a relatively trivial fix each time?
22:48:20 <flo-retina> Mic: new add-on?
22:48:26 <Mic> Yep.
22:48:39 <flo-retina> cool :)
22:49:09 <clokep> Mic: Btw I found most your comments good in that review. Personally I like to remove all the context from the diffs that doesn't really have anything to do w/ the bug.
22:49:16 <clokep> But that's just to slim the comments down as much as possible.
22:49:48 <clokep> Thanks for the review. :)
22:49:48 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(aleth@instantbird.o rg) for attachment 2269 on bug 851.
22:49:49 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2274 on bug 851.
22:49:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=851 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Twitter commands
22:50:02 <clokep> flo-retina: I can probably port that wince patch tonight if you want.
22:50:17 <Mic> OK, so you would have preferred if I had only left the lines I was referring to in the comment, with no context at all.
22:50:23 <flo-retina> clokep: no :)
22:50:31 <flo-retina> clokep: I would like to have something that compiles
22:50:39 <flo-retina> clokep: then we can sync the build system if we want
22:50:57 <clokep> flo-retina: OK!
22:51:09 <flo-retina> Mic: with just enough context to understand what you are talking about
22:51:22 <Mic> OK
22:51:34 <flo-retina> the review was great anyway :) thanks
22:51:59 <clokep> Mic: I usually prefer the bottom one instead of the top one: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/156827
22:54:59 <flo-retina> so the ib configure receives   --target=i386-apple-darwin10 and the moz configure receives   --target=i386-apple-darwin12.2.0
23:00:31 <flo-retina> build = x86_64-apple-darwin12.2.0
23:00:32 <flo-retina> build_cpu = x86_64
23:00:32 <flo-retina> (from objdir/i386/config/autoconf.mk) That seems quite wrong for a 32 bit build
23:03:00 <dew> Time to ask for Instantbird to be included on https://ninite.com/
23:04:12 <Mic> I think I'll need to update it tomorrow (have to verify that it works with different timezones and fix it if needed), but here's it already: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/344/
23:05:14 <flo-retina> dew: have you suggested it?
23:05:23 <dew> I just did
23:05:26 <clokep> Mic: Cool,  let me know if it works with more timezones. :)
23:05:33 * flo-retina did too
23:06:03 <dew> and I think it might already be on chocolately
23:06:59 <dew> nope I don't see it.  Chocolately is supposed to bring a linux-like repo to windows: http://chocolatey.org/
23:08:03 <flo-retina> Mic: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today#m606 thanks! :)
23:08:09 <flo-retina> err
23:08:20 <Mic> hmm :S
23:08:37 <Mic> You'll need to reopen the conversation most likely if you just installed it.
23:08:45 <flo-retina> putting on hold is enough?
23:08:46 <Mic> I should have mentioned it..
23:09:03 <flo-retina> Mic: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today#m606 thanks! :)
23:09:07 <flo-retina> no :(
23:09:20 <clokep> Worked for me on a conversation to instantbot.
23:09:33 <flo-retina> same for me
23:09:46 <Mic> No, that's not enough.
23:09:48 <flo-retina> I guess it'll just work today after the next nightly update
23:10:08 <flo-retina> err, not today
23:10:10 <flo-retina> tomorrow :)
23:10:39 <Mic> clokep: did it change /today/ to /130313/ for you?
23:10:49 <clokep> Mic: Yes.
23:11:41 <flo-retina> Mic: it did for me in a private conv with instantbot
23:12:14 <clokep> I gues we can test if it works across timezones in an hour?
23:15:43 <Mic> Good night!
23:15:51 <clokep> Bye. :)
23:16:34 <flo-retina> Mic: good night :)
23:16:54 * flo-retina will probably give up in a few minutes if he still doesn't find a way to pass configure
23:17:16 <Mic> The add-on is based on what I wrote for spiffytech the other day by the way ;)
23:17:40 <clokep> Is there anything we can check in then? Not sure if any of the Twitter stuff actually has an r+ on it.
23:17:47 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: No time to waste, let's go!)
23:24:07 <flo-retina> in http://pastebin.instantbird.com/156824 line 60 and 275 read from the same file
23:24:14 <flo-retina> but lines 61 and 276 are different :-S
23:29:52 <flo-retina> apparently I need to port http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-release/rev/bd22a204044b
23:34:49 <clokep> :(
23:39:59 <flo-retina> that didn't help
23:40:19 <flo-retina> apparently it's a python issue
23:40:43 <flo-retina> the python binary used to build needs to be build with at most the target of our compile. My python was apparently built targetting 10.8
23:41:41 <Mook_as> which python are you using? (as in, version)
23:42:07 <flo-retina> was the remaining review really for me in bug 851?
23:42:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=851 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Twitter commands
23:42:13 <flo-retina> Mook_as: 2.7
23:42:55 <flo-retina> 2.7.2
23:43:03 <Mook_as> ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659881 has some info that might help)
23:43:44 <clokep> flo-retina: I can switch it to aleth. I don't even remember who I put in the patch. :-S
23:44:05 <flo-retina> Mook_as: yeah, that's when I read that bug that I understood the issue is caused by my version of python
23:44:22 <Mook_as> ah, right, it's in the _building_ of it :(
23:44:30 <Mook_as> and you're probably using system python or something
23:44:57 <flo-retina>  /usr/bin/python2.7
23:45:05 <clokep> There's an r- patch about avoiding the issue? ;)
23:46:22 <flo-retina> clokep: that bug has been fixed for moz8
23:47:30 <clokep> Boo :(
23:50:11 <flo-retina> shouldn't the MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET= at http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-release/source/mozilla/configure.in#8703 avoid the issue?