#instantbird log on 03 12 2013

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02:59:10 <dew> wait the Okcupid API?
02:59:56 <EionRobb> yes?
03:00:25 <dew> what are you doing with it?
03:00:53 <EionRobb> flo wanted to copy the pidgin/adium plugin I wrote with it to make another protocol for instantbird
03:01:10 <EionRobb> in javascript, rather than libpurple :0
03:02:09 <dew> you wrote an okcupid plugin?
03:04:14 <EionRobb> http://code.google.com/p/okcupid-pidgin/
03:04:28 <dew> you are awesome!
03:04:33 <EionRobb> lol
03:04:36 <EionRobb> thanks?
03:04:39 <dew> no seriously
03:05:29 <dew> I think that's really cool
03:05:34 <dew> I use that site quite a bit
03:41:12 <instant-buildbot> build #805 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/805
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04:36:20 <instant-buildbot> build #802 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/802
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07:29:45 <flo-retina> EionRobb: thanks! :)
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07:49:23 <instant-buildbot> build #896 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Failure [failed shell_3]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/896
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09:41:38 <flo-retina> bah, I haven't ported the "copy debug log" menu item to Tb's chat account manager :(
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10:23:14 <clokep> Hello
10:26:27 <flo-retina> good morning :)
10:26:55 <Mic> Hi
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10:31:52 <clokep> Bah, my built IB doesn't seem to want to launch.
10:32:10 <clokep> Yesterday it was launching with lots of errors...I built again and now it's just immediately returning.
10:32:41 <clokep> Lots of errors abou tmissing components and jars. :-S
10:32:42 <Mic> :(
10:34:23 <clokep> (Instantbird tried to do an upgrade in my object-dir instead of my nightly build. :()
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10:34:34 <clokep> Ah, deleting omni.ja seems to have partially fixed it
10:38:04 <Mic> KomodoEdit looks really nice now! :)
10:38:15 <clokep> Yeah, they did a good job updating it.
10:38:23 <Mic> And I can close tabs with middle-clicks. I'm in love! ;)
10:38:51 * clokep wonders what "Instantbird Team" is doing on XMPP. ;) And the icon keeps changing size!
10:45:44 <clokep> dew: EionRobb has made like 10 different protocols for libpurple:  http://code.google.com/u/eionrobb/
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11:51:01 <flo-retina> clokep_work: what 'Instantbird Team' was doing on XMPP was explained at http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=mozilla%23webrtc-apps
11:52:34 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Btw #calendar is the appropriate place for Lightning. ;)
11:52:42 <clokep_work> Ah...as you said right after that. :(
11:52:44 * clokep_work sighs
11:53:04 <flo-retina> ;)
11:53:59 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Sounds like you're looking at one of the GSoC projects? :P
11:54:15 <flo-retina> clokep_work: hmm, really?
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11:54:31 <clokep_work> Looking at the voice/video between XMPP and WebRTC?
11:54:37 <flo-retina> yeah
11:54:55 <flo-retina> and I'm afraid I'm stuck
11:55:04 <flo-retina> Gtalk seems to have a username/password for each ice candidate
11:55:40 <flo-retina> and all I have on the webrtc sdp is ice-ufrag, ice-pwd and fingerprint
11:55:59 <clokep_work> :(
11:56:30 <clokep_work> I know pretty much nothing about ice/stun so I'll pretend that I know what you're talking about and just be sad. ;)
11:56:42 <flo-retina> :-D
11:57:12 <flo-retina> clokep_work: well, I'm trying to convert http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2211621 (what Gtalk sends me) into something that looks like http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2211640 (what Mozilla's WebRTC stuff generated)
11:59:06 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Ah, I see. :) I thought you had mentioned someone had written code to do that already?
11:59:18 <flo-retina> hmm, that's right
11:59:30 <flo-retina> let's see what it did :)
11:59:47 <flo-retina> that piece of code is https://github.com/mweibel/sdpToJingle/blob/master/sdptojingle.js
12:01:31 <clokep_work> Ah, that's fairly simple.
12:23:10 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Are you looking to do XMPP compatibility as part of your work or just investigating?
12:25:06 <flo-retina> I'm trying to determine if Fx-WebRTC <-> Gmail voice call interop is possible.
12:29:30 <clokep_work> Ooooo, cool. :)
12:30:10 <flo-retina> I'm afraid the answer is 'no' though :(
12:30:40 <clokep_work> :(
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14:03:53 <clokep_work> Guess that guy from #thunderbird yesterday never cared enough to file bugs. ;)
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14:07:14 <flo-retina> maybe he was just trolling you? ;)
14:11:22 <clokep_work> Maybe. :(
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15:30:17 <daytonb> I have a question about the Bubbles theme
15:31:17 <daytonb> Is there a way to switch the direction of the callout bubbles? They alternate backwards of how I would have them alternate
15:32:48 <clokep_work> daytonb: Did you check the different styles?
15:32:48 <flo-retina> I don't see an easy way to do it without editing the code
15:32:53 <clokep_work> Ah, OK.
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16:24:06 <dew> I didn't know he did all of those plugins clokep_work; I just have a special place in my heart for Okcupid
16:24:57 <clokep_work> dew: Fair enough. :)
16:26:21 <flo-retina> :)
16:26:38 <flo-retina> dew: Would you like to create an okcupid plugin for Instantbird? :)
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16:27:59 <dew> haha I'm not so good with JavaScript, flo-retina
16:28:43 <flo-retina> dew: we can help!
16:29:01 <flo-retina> you would learn a lot, and then JS would have a special place in your heart ;)
16:30:17 <dew> I do need to learn JS sometime but I'
16:30:24 <dew> I'm not sure I have the motivation to be honest
16:34:57 <flo-retina> even if okcupid is the motivation? :-P
16:35:09 <flo-retina> hacking on something you'll actually use is usually very motivating
16:39:36 * clokep_work thinks you should go for it. ;)
16:39:49 <clokep_work> And luckily both flo-retina and I have written protocols. So we can both help you. :p
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16:41:31 <flo-retina> and the okcupid API that was shown earlier today seems very simple.
16:43:00 <flo-retina> the only tricky detail will be to handle cookies in a way that doesn't cause multiple okcupid accounts to conflict
16:43:21 <clokep_work> In a better way than just not storing them, like Twitter? :-D
16:43:23 <flo-retina> but for a first version if only one account can be configured at once, that seems fine
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16:44:10 <flo-retina> clokep_work: there seem to be a session cookie involved, so not storing it seems a problem ;)
16:44:29 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Could be an issue. :)
16:44:34 <clokep_work> Don't we totally disable cookies currently?
16:46:35 <flo-retina> likely
16:50:37 <clokep_work> We do http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/app/profile/all-instantbird.js#264
16:58:56 <flo-retina> nice user review on AMO " Created an account just to write a review. This addon is wonderful and the author took the time to respond to reviews which answered any lingering questions I had. Great work, this addon is everything I wanted." (the add-on is auto close tabs)
17:15:07 <clokep_work> It's always nice to hear "thanks" sometimes. :)
17:19:44 <dew> I agree
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17:30:29 <aleth> re unread tabs: "I've had various stylings in my userChrome for a long time. But I've never liked them enough to put up a patch." -- me too...
17:36:45 <clokep_work> aleth: :( That's sad. I was hoping you were more creative than me. :-D
17:38:15 <aleth> clokep_work: I just have something that colours the background rather than the text. But finding a good colour scheme that would work for different themes is hard...
17:40:39 <clokep_work> aleth: I wasn't even concerned about the different themes aspect of it, I just can't find one that seems to be a good balance between noticeable and obnoxious.
17:41:13 <aleth> I've got a decent enough blue for pings, it's the red for unread messages that is a bit ugly :P
17:41:29 <clokep_work> aleth: Maybe red is the wrong color?
17:42:01 <aleth> Maybe... it's the classic "attention" colour though.
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17:42:57 <aleth> Having said that, I didn't spend much time on playing around with it either ;)
17:44:00 <aleth> Re the gsoc etherpad, aren't some of the "skills needed" more like "skills you will gain"? (eg XPCOM)
17:45:16 <clokep_work> aleth: I filled those in, most of them are BS anyway, but I wasn't really sure what's normally put in that field.
17:45:17 <flo-retina> aleth: well, being already familiar with XPCOM is a major plus ;)
17:45:28 <flo-retina> aleth: it's probably more "skills you'll use during the summer"
17:45:46 <aleth> As long as it doesn't put people off ;)
17:51:07 <aleth> What gecko version was 1.3 on?
17:51:27 <aleth> ah, 16
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17:58:13 <aleth> Mic's new add-on doesn't work for me, at least not without restart (will try that later).
17:58:26 <aleth> Could be a clash with another add-on though.
18:00:30 <flo-retina> aleth: is that the add-on for the input box place holder? It only works for new conversation bindings (put on hold and restore), and not for MUCs.
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18:19:23 <aleth> flo-retina: Oh, I see. I only had MUCs open.
18:19:34 <aleth> In that case it works :)
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20:33:45 <Mic> aleth: I'd add another string if you'd like to have one for MUC's too.
20:35:06 <Mic> Thanks for pointing out that I should fix the pref to allow UTF8, flo
20:38:26 <flo-retina> Mic: no problem :)
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21:33:49 <dew> just out of curiosity, where would I start with making a protocol plugin?
21:34:55 <clokep> dew: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Main_Page#Protocols
21:35:15 <clokep> dew: Actually, just jump straight to https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Protocols_reference
21:36:57 <flo-retina> clokep: we have dropped override protocols, haven't we? :)
21:37:43 <clokep> flo-retina: Yes. I ripped that out, I think.
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21:40:58 <clokep> dew: That is a page I made a while ago that has some information to get started, but it could use a lot more. So feel free to tell me what's missing, etc.
21:41:04 <clokep> (Or add yourself.)
21:41:45 <clokep> Pretty much it's just a matter of creating the interfaces, the order I usually do it in is prplIProtocol, prplIAccount, prplIConvIM, prplIConvChatBuddy/prplIConvChat
21:42:45 <Mic> Does Omegle still work?
21:42:58 <clokep> Last time I checked, yes.
21:45:30 <flo-retina> Mic: if it's broken, it should be trivial to fix
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21:54:48 <flo-retina> clokep: is that patch from JosiahOne that didn't have review from us just the background image for the sidebar?
21:55:11 <clokep> flo-retina: Yes, I think so.
21:55:55 <flo-retina> I don't really mind if they don't request review from us for that.
21:56:02 <flo-retina> as long as it doesn't touch chat/ ;)
21:56:27 <clokep> Mmhmm.
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21:57:23 <flo-retina> if they break things without our review, I won't feel guilty for not fixing it myself afterwards ;)
21:58:16 <clokep> True. :)
21:59:50 <clokep> aleth: What's the user style you use for unread tabs though?
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22:02:19 <flo-retina> assuming I have ~1 hour for reviews, what should I look at first?
22:03:09 <clokep> Whatever is oldest? :P
22:03:23 <clokep> (But can be done in an hour.)
22:03:30 <clokep> I think both Mic and aleth have had stuff wating a long time.
22:03:57 <flo-retina> well, the oldest patch is bug 930 ;)
22:04:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=930 nor, --, ---, mmkmou, ASSI, Add a link to "FAQ" on "help" menu item
22:04:10 <clokep> That works too. :)
22:04:53 <flo-retina> if it's been there for so long, it's because I don't know what to do with it
22:05:09 <Mic> Just feedback requests for me and I think they can wait.
22:05:14 <Mic> *from
22:05:38 <flo-retina> I don't see anything wrong with that patch, but I'm not thrilled at the idea of pointing people to a FAQ that may not be translated, and that we haven't really updated recently
22:08:50 <clokep> flo-retina: Than mark it as invalid?
22:08:52 <Mic> Are you thinking that it's not ready yet because the FAQ should be updated first or rather that it's not a good idea to add the link at all.
22:09:20 <flo-retina> Mic: I'm thinking that it's a good idea, but the FAQ sucks, and I/we don't have a good plan to make it not suck
22:10:48 <Mic> What would you like the FAQ page to be like to be acceptable?
22:11:42 <flo-retina> Mic: I think it should really be based on questions that have been asked recently
22:11:48 <flo-retina> Mic: and not contain misleading content
22:12:14 <flo-retina> pointing to https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Roadmap doesn't seem particularly useful now
22:12:29 <Mic> + it would be needed to be translated.
22:13:05 <Mic> I think the FAQ is one of the pages that's only partially translated at best for many locales?
22:13:50 <flo-retina> Mic: when going to http://www.instantbird.com/faq.html, I'm directed to the French version. It's poor enough that for some questions I need to read the answer to understand the question.
22:14:27 <Mic> The german translation contains lots of english  :(
22:15:19 <clokep> OK, well that's a decision. Next patch!
22:15:22 <Mic> Polish version is _only_ english.
22:17:34 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.com bug 1896 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
22:17:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1896 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, F.A.Q. for german localization not fully translated
22:17:58 <clokep> Should we update it first? :P
22:18:58 <flo-retina> http://www.instantbird.com/en/about.html seriously needs an update too
22:20:54 <clokep> Someone should update Fake at some point too. :-/
22:23:42 <flo-retina> why is that always broken :(
22:23:52 <flo-retina> how difficult would it be to make it a unit test?
22:24:35 <clokep> We should make it use jsProtoHelper first. That would ease a lot of pain, I think.
22:30:07 <clokep> FYI the patch in bug 1828 needs to have the Moz 19 version bumped to 19.0.2.
22:30:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1828 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update to Mozilla 19
22:30:15 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 2229 on bug 1100.
22:30:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors
22:30:20 <flo-retina> I was looking at that other bug
22:30:27 <clokep> Mmhmm.
22:31:53 <clokep> Thanks. :)
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22:38:10 <flo-retina> clokep: do you remember the difference between notifyCertProblem and notifySSLError?
22:40:00 <clokep> flo-retina: When one is called and the other is called? I don't remember exactly.
22:41:34 <clokep> flo-retina: I think SSL errors happen before the cert is even received?
22:41:51 <clokep> I don't know for sure though.
22:42:25 <flo-retina> so we wouldn't want to call onBadCertificate for SSL errors, right?
22:42:43 <clokep> Yes, we do.
22:47:25 <flo-retina> I'm not sure of what "yes, we do" means in that context
22:47:57 <clokep> "Yes, we do want to call onBadCertificate"
22:48:26 <clokep> At least we have to for me to connect to LiveJournal.
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22:49:55 * flo-retina wonders why spiffytech is sending so many invalid passwords
22:49:59 <Mic> spiffytech: IB can store your IRC password and authenticate for you by the way.
22:50:56 <flo-retina> clokep: do you remember what happens when you connect to livejournal? Which error code do you get?
22:51:53 <flo-retina> clokep: I'm thinking that we need to call http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/security/manager/ssl/src/NSSErrorsService.cpp#83 and if the result is ERROR_CLASS_SSL_PROTOCOL, fail with Ci.prplIAccount.ERROR_ENCRYPTION_ERROR (which will cause reconnection timers to be fired)
22:53:54 <clokep> flo-retina: I don't.
22:54:11 <clokep> I might be able to check...will a nightly build tell me that?
22:54:22 <spiffytech> flo-retina: Oh, is that coming through? I think my ZNC server is grumpy today, and I haven't investigated why yet. Sorry about that.
22:54:34 <flo-retina> doesn't really matter, SSL_ERROR_BAD_CERT_DOMAIN is an SSL error :)
22:54:56 <flo-retina> spiffytech: you got disconnected at least twice today with the message "Quit: services.mozilla.org (Too many invalid passwords)"
22:58:46 <clokep> flo-retina: To be clear, you're not waiting for information from me, right?
22:58:50 * clokep is going to go eat dinner then.
22:59:16 <flo-retina> clokep: right, I'm r-'ing ;)
22:59:26 <clokep> OK. :)
22:59:36 * clokep prefers an r- over an r? any day!
23:00:10 <flo-retina> yeah, feedback is useful
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23:08:44 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 2232 on bug 1100.
23:08:45 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted feedback for attachment 2232 on bug 1100.
23:08:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors
23:10:23 <clokep> Thanks flo-retina. :)
23:10:39 <flo-retina> you are welcome, thanks for tackling that bug! :)
23:11:05 <clokep> I'll just be happy when it's closed. :P
23:11:33 <flo-retina> I suspect that's coming soon ;)
23:11:52 <flo-retina> it's hard to believe that these 2 relatively simple patches took 1 hour to review :(
23:12:09 <flo-retina> I always overestimate the amount of patches I can review when I have 1 hour ahead :-/
23:12:49 <clokep> Well usually the easy ones get reviewed right away...
23:15:07 <flo-retina> right :)
23:15:30 <flo-retina> those that are left in the queue all require some time to focus on them
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23:20:16 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted feedback for attachment 2264 on bug 260.
23:20:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=260 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Pasting in the conversation input box doesn't send typing notifications
23:29:54 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 2249 on bug 1828.
23:29:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1828 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update to Mozilla 19
23:37:39 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2250 on bug 1828.
23:37:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1828 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update to Mozilla 19
23:38:51 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2251 on bug 1828.
23:49:45 <clokep> Every time I see my Thunderbird shirt I want an Instantbird one. :(
23:50:13 <flo-retina> that's something we really need to do! :)
23:50:48 <flo-retina> clokep: and every time I see my Instantbird shirt I wonder if I can still wear it now that the logo on it is outdated.
23:51:00 <clokep> flo-retina: That just makes it vintage! :-D
23:51:19 <clokep> FYI I'll glad pay to print a bunch up...I just don't know the deal w/ printing shirts.
23:51:22 <flo-retina> like my Firefox shirt that dates back from the 1.0 days
23:51:27 <clokep> :-D
23:51:39 <flo-retina> too bad there's not "1.0" on it
23:52:22 <flo-retina> we could likely share the costs
23:52:31 <flo-retina> we need to find a good design :)
23:52:48 <flo-retina> something that reuses the colors of the ib.com website maybe?
23:53:22 <flo-retina> clokep: if you handle the shipping, you'll have a good excuse to ask aleth his name and address ;).
23:55:58 <flo-retina> Good evening/night
23:56:33 <clokep> flo-retina: Haha, true! :)
23:56:36 <clokep> Good night!
23:56:49 <clokep> Yeah, probably a tan shirt would look decent.