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10:31:27 * flo-retina has received a nexus 10 tablet
10:31:46 <flo-retina> of course now I wonder how much work would be required to get a working Android UI for Instantbird ;)
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10:41:29 <instant-buildbot> build #789 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/789
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14:10:56 <flo-retina> clokep: if I type "/j instantbird", the only indication that something failed is "Warning: :gravel.mozilla.org 403 flo-retina instantbird :No such channel" in the error console.
14:11:02 <flo-retina> what could be a better UX for that?
14:13:01 <aleth> flo-retina: are you sure? There should also be a new "instantbird" tab with an error message
14:13:12 <aleth> Not that that is the ideal UI either...
14:13:14 <flo-retina> oh yes there is
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14:13:26 <flo-retina> it contains "15:10:05 - There is no channel: instantbird."
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14:13:44 <flo-retina> that was just a system message so it didn't turn the tab read, and the tab didn't get my attention
14:14:14 <flo-retina> would likely have been much more visible it if opened at the right of the current tab instead of at the 9th position ;)
14:14:18 <aleth> Part of the problem is  bug 837
14:14:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=837 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Give new tabs opened via IRC commands focus
14:17:25 <aleth> rosonline: another struggling user? ;) https://twitter.com/msc_campos/status/306767875602010112
14:18:38 <rosonline> Ok... I'll ask him about your "fight"
14:19:29 <aleth> Thanks :)
14:25:05 <rosonline> aleth: You're welcome
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15:55:23 <gerv> How do I get instantbird to give me a channel list?
15:56:05 <gerv>  /list does nothing.
15:57:59 <flo-retina> I think /list works but shows the list in the "server tab" (there's an adavanced account preference to enable that tab)
15:58:14 <flo-retina> the "Show messages from the server" checkbox
15:59:40 <gerv> I can't find that pref...
15:59:40 <gerv> how new is it?
16:00:00 <flo-retina> not very new
16:00:07 <gerv> Oh, I see - it's per-server.
16:00:11 <gerv> Got it.
16:00:11 <flo-retina> it's an account preference (click the "properties" button of the account)
16:00:23 <gerv> How do I get that window open?
16:00:27 <gerv>  /list doesn't do it...
16:00:35 <gerv> Do I have to restart?
16:00:50 <flo-retina> I'm afraid one needs to disconnect the account and reconnect it
16:00:57 <gerv> OK. Back in a sec...
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16:01:55 <flo-retina> the list doesn't seem sorted :-/
16:04:28 <flo-retina> aleth: how much work would it be to fetch that list when the user is starting to type /j[oin] or opening the Join Chat dialog to use it for completion purposes?
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16:56:35 <gerv> flo-retina: It would be great if it could be sorted either alphabetically or (what I wanted) by number of participants.
16:57:24 <flo-retina> gerv: I agree. The way it's currently displayed is pretty useless (even if people manage to discover it!)
16:58:42 <flo-retina> did you need the list for your "Understanding Mozilla: Communications" short talk?
16:59:52 <flo-retina> I was wondering if there are use cases where showing the list is actually what the user wants. (In most case I would think that using the list for completion / suggestions with the most popular channels would be more useful than showing the list)
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20:20:12 * Mic really needs to fix conversations on hold in Session Restore..
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21:19:27 <flo-retina> tonight after a few 50+ years old people I was discussing something with asked me what I work for and I replied that I work for Mozilla, the child who was with them said immediately "I installed Boot2Gecko on my phone yesterday!"
21:19:30 <flo-retina> I was quite surprised :)
21:20:15 <gerard-majax__> o_O
21:20:17 <gerard-majax__> which phone ?
21:20:28 <gerard-majax__> flo-retina, that's quite a surprise though
21:20:43 <flo-retina> gerard-majax__: yeah, I was quite surprised!
21:21:03 <flo-retina> I didn't ask for his phone model
21:21:06 <gerard-majax__> :/
21:21:09 <gerard-majax__> that's a shame !
21:21:15 <gerard-majax__> considering the few models supported
21:21:29 <flo-retina> I tried to give him a Firefox badge but it turns out he had already been given some at the Braderie de Lille (likely by Benoît :))
21:21:47 <gerard-majax__> haha
21:21:47 <flo-retina> and I told him to join the French Mozilla community on IRC in #frenchmoz
21:21:51 <gerard-majax__> where did you met him ?
21:22:35 <flo-retina> at the coworking space I usually work from in Lille
21:22:59 <flo-retina> there was a conference/debate this evening about the basic income idea, and his parent attended
21:23:25 <gerard-majax__> great
21:23:32 <gerard-majax__> there's a la cantine in lille ?
21:23:35 <gerard-majax__> I was not aware :)
21:23:45 <flo-retina> much better than la cantine :-P
21:23:53 <flo-retina> there are actually at least 2 coworking spaces in Lille
21:24:10 <flo-retina> I work from http://www.lacoroutine.org/
21:24:34 <gerard-majax__> nice
21:24:48 <gerard-majax__> there's a la cantine that opened a couple of weeks ago
21:25:00 <gerard-majax__> we did the first event while it was not yet officially opened
21:25:06 <gerard-majax__> presenting mozilla and especially firefoxos :)
21:25:15 <flo-retina> gerard-majax__: in which city?
21:25:15 <gerard-majax__> 30 people expected, 70 attending
21:25:18 <gerard-majax__> tours
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21:28:07 <flo-retina> gerard-majax__: there may be some potential for a mozilla & Firefox OS presentation here too
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21:28:33 <flo-retina> there's at least one intern working here twice a week who's a Firefox enthusiast
21:29:11 <gerard-majax__> flo-retina, well
21:29:25 <gerard-majax__> flo-retina, if you're subscribed to the mozfr mailing list, dig into the archives :)
21:29:25 <flo-retina> and there's a handful of developers working on a free software project
21:29:30 <gerard-majax__> flo-retina, and I have my slides on the wiki
21:29:34 <flo-retina> They work on http://imaginationforpeople.org/fr/
21:29:39 <gerard-majax__> tristan and fabien posted theirs too
21:30:29 <flo-retina> gerard-majax__: I don't feel very confident talking about FxOS myself, I don't know much about it. My area of expertise these days is rather WebRTC ;).
21:33:04 <gerard-majax__> flo-retina, lille is not that far :)
21:34:05 <flo-retina> gerard-majax__: it's less than one hour of train from Paris where the B2G team usually hides ;)
21:36:20 <gerard-majax__> flo-retina, I know
21:36:30 <gerard-majax__> flo-retina, I'm commuting everyday from tours to paris :)
21:36:48 <gerard-majax__> and tours is roughly the same distance than lille from paris
21:37:01 <flo-retina> can't work from your coworking space? :(
21:41:34 <gerard-majax__> it's not mine
21:41:40 <gerard-majax__> it was not existing three years ago
21:41:54 <gerard-majax__> and I'm okay with the train :)
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22:14:44 <instantbot> New Core - XMPP bug 1883 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
22:14:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1883 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Support XEP-0077 (In-Band Registration/Password Change)
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22:44:12 <flo-retina> Mic: any idea of how the UI could look?
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23:09:04 <clokep_wp8> I think list should mostly be used to autocomplete, but someone might want to browse too.
23:09:04 <clokep_wp8> That's not personally how i use irc..
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23:14:18 <flo-retina> clokep: I looked a bit at the server tab. We display the MOTD as a regular message (rather than a system one), and we merge all the lines to display it as a single message
23:14:42 <flo-retina> shouldn't we display the whole list of channel as a similar single message, and take the opportunity to sort it alphabetically?
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23:35:34 <Mic> flo-retina: which UI? The one for the password change or account registration? Or both?
23:35:48 <flo-retina> both
23:35:52 <Mic> hehe
23:39:41 <Mic> I've no clear idea for the password change.
23:40:17 <Mic> The registration UI could be a special message (or even a new binding?) on newly created accounts: "An account with this name was not found on the server. Do you want to [create it now] or [edit the name of the account]." (<- the latter would be for the case that there's been a typo in the account name.
23:41:52 <flo-retina> that could work :)
23:41:55 <Mic> Even though it wouldn't be clear that it is possible to create account at the moment one clicks "New account" then.
23:42:11 <flo-retina> assuming the server doesn't reply the same thing if the password is wrong or if the account name doesn't exist
23:42:44 <Mic> Yes, we'd need to know if the password is wrong or the account is non-existent + that the server supports this feature.
23:44:56 <Mic> Any other comment on this? If not I'll c/p this to the bug and go to bed now :)
23:45:18 <flo-retina> going to bed is generally a good idea at almost 1am :)
23:49:18 <Mic> Good night!
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