#instantbird log on 02 16 2013

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00:30:07 * Mic can't be bothered to file a bug now ...
00:30:21 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/142506
00:30:33 <Mic> Tomorrow then ;)
00:30:34 <Mic> Good night
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00:39:59 <instant-buildbot> build #378 of linux-onCommit is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/378  blamelist: Florian Qu?ze <florian@instantbird.org>
00:40:35 <clokep> :(
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01:30:00 <instant-buildbot> build #364 of win32-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/364
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02:36:23 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2232 on bug 1100.
02:36:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors
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03:16:23 <instant-buildbot> build #777 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/777
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03:43:23 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2233 on bug 1612.
03:43:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1612 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update libpurple up to 2.10.7
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05:42:46 <instant-buildbot> build #872 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/872
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06:33:26 <instant-buildbot> build #782 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Failure [failed shell_3]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/782
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10:01:40 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1876 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
10:01:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1876 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Change to use Services.jsm for remaining services where it is available but not used yet
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10:27:40 <instant-buildbot> build #778 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/778
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10:32:41 * aleth installs Mic's topic diff extension :)
10:33:47 <Mic> Make sure to take a screenshot when you see a topic change in the wild! ;)
10:35:15 <aleth> sure :)
10:35:30 <flo-retina> Mic: maybe we should release 1.4 to have an excuse to change the topic?
10:35:38 <Mic> haha :D
10:45:32 <flo-retina> btw, we now have a moz18 nightly on all OSes
10:45:43 <aleth> excellent :)
10:45:53 <aleth> did eve n update gtk or was it something else?
10:46:09 <flo-retina> (the red on Linux's onCommit is the builder needing a clobber, and the red on Linux's nightly is the server timeouting during a scp, Even relaunched that command by hand)
10:46:20 <flo-retina> aleth: I added --disable-gio to the mozconfigs
10:46:30 <flo-retina> so the system integration may be a little degraded
10:46:45 <flo-retina> updating gtk doesn't seem possible without changing the version of the whole OS, unfortunately :(
10:47:22 <aleth> That sounds right, it's tied in with too many other things from the distro
10:47:53 <aleth> So the distro version on the build slave must be fairly old?
10:49:09 <aleth> Updating that sadly won't be just a 5 minute job... :-/
10:49:50 <flo-retina> yeah
10:49:56 <flo-retina> the GTK we wanted is from 2008 ;)
10:50:04 <flo-retina> and the one we currently have is significantly older
10:50:28 <aleth> Heh. Just got to remember to do it before the next release at the latest ;)
10:50:58 <flo-retina> do what?
10:51:22 <aleth> Upgrade and turn gio back on... that's unless it really does nothing important
10:51:39 <flo-retina> I've no idea of what it really does
10:52:25 <aleth> I suppose I'll find out after the next IB update :P
10:52:53 <flo-retina> aleth: we never built with gio before
10:52:59 <flo-retina> it's just been turned on by default with moz18
10:54:08 <aleth> I've no idea what it is either
10:54:28 <aleth> http://developer.gnome.org/gio/2.33/ch01.html
10:54:59 <flo-retina> so things I would expect to likely break could be getting some icons from the default gtk theme
10:55:08 <flo-retina> or clicking links to open the default browser
10:55:58 <flo-retina> for icons, I mean http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/search?string=stock%2Fgtk
10:56:21 <flo-retina> I'm really not sure it will break though.
10:56:28 <flo-retina> It's just the stuff that's the most likely to be related
11:00:21 <aleth> That sounds likely, looking at nsGIOService.cpp
11:01:34 <aleth> Ah: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=402892
11:02:02 <aleth> But that's quite old... /confused
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11:09:46 <aleth> Hello filter box in the error console :)
11:10:48 <Mic> Oh, great! :)
11:10:54 <Mic> Now that's going to be useful :)
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11:26:46 <flo-retina> aleth: so what's broken without gio? :)
11:43:06 <aleth> flo-retina: For me, nothing so far :)
11:43:12 <flo-retina> :)
11:43:20 <aleth> However, gnomeVFS was dropped at the same time https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713802
11:43:34 <aleth> So that won't be true for everyone. I suspect gnome3 users might have problems.
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12:01:29 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1877 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
12:01:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1877 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Enable gio after Linux buildslave distro is updated
12:01:33 <aleth> Filing this so we don't forget...
12:02:28 <flo-retina> aleth: I couldn't decide yesterday if I needed to add --enable-gnomevfs to the mozconfigs at the same time as --disable-gio
12:02:43 <flo-retina> aleth: I think we currently build with neither gio nor gnomevfs
12:02:46 <aleth> flo-retina: It doesn't seem like it was necessary
12:03:53 <aleth> But it's really hard to figure out how/whom it might affect...
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12:40:48 <aleth> Trying to insert JS into a conversation via a <script src="resource://...">, this fails. Why?
12:41:09 <aleth> I thought resource URIs had the required privileges...
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14:12:26 <flo-retina> aleth: "this fails" is there an error message?
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14:13:47 <aleth> flo-retina: No. Actually I now think the problem is inserting a <script> tag after the page has been loaded, rather than anything to do with the resource.
14:16:27 <aleth> But I can't find anything about that in the documentaiton.
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14:35:28 <aleth> OK, for future reference, it works, as long as you use document.createElement to make the script tag and don't do it via HTML.
14:38:35 <flo-retina> via HTML?
14:39:58 <aleth> I was adding tags via elt.innerHTML as it was easier that way to add a whole bunch of things at once for testing.
14:40:08 <aleth> Works for images etc but it seems not for JS
14:43:47 <flo-retina> I'm not really surprised, but I don't know why :-S
14:46:47 <aleth> Doesn't work properly yet, but... progress: https://i.minus.com/jCNMugxxaLLk4.png
14:52:09 <flo-retina> :)
14:55:47 <aleth> There's no way to override functions in JS modules from an add-on, is there?
14:56:09 <flo-retina> if the fuunction is an exported symbol, no
14:56:23 <flo-retina> if the exported symbol is an object, you can change the content of the object
14:56:59 <aleth> hmm... aren't functions objects too?
14:57:22 <flo-retina> not objects whose content you can change
14:58:00 <aleth> "if the fuunction is an exported symbol, no" why do you say this - can I override non-exported (internal) symbols? That would be surprising
15:01:47 <flo-retina> aleth: I say this because if you have fooUtils = { fun1: function() { /* cool stuff */ }, ... } and fooUtils is exported, then you can change fun1
15:02:33 <aleth> OK, that's what I would have expected.
15:02:38 <aleth> Oh well.
15:02:39 <aleth> Thanks!
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15:22:28 <clokep> aleth: Nice. :) I was hoping that's what you were doing.
15:23:58 <aleth> clokep: Not very elegant atm, but it does work (to a point)
15:24:24 <aleth> The fact IRC splits multi-line messages into separate messages gets in the way a bit
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15:25:42 <clokep> aleth: Only if you have long messages. :P
15:26:01 <aleth> Latex often stretches multiple lines
15:26:02 <clokep> There isn't really a way around that though...unless we were to add a "end of line" character that says to reattach them or something.
15:26:29 <aleth> The more annoying bug is that for some reason the whole conversation blurs if the mouse isn't hovering over the window
15:27:03 <aleth> Really strange.
15:27:27 <clokep> (o_O)
15:27:31 <clokep> That's...weird.
15:27:47 <aleth> At first I thought I was imagining things ;)
15:28:38 <aleth> Hmm, I wonder if that's Bubbles-specific
15:30:12 <aleth> Because it seems it's not the conversation hover, but the bubble hover that matters: eg https://i.minus.com/jVeIon24ziwGm.png
15:32:13 * clokep is curious to see this code btw.
15:32:49 * clokep wonders if trying https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=842024 in Instantbird would even matter.
15:32:56 <clokep> I think the IRC code has changed a lot since TB 17.
15:33:01 <aleth> I'll polish it up and pastebin it later.
15:33:20 <aleth> The blurring doesn't happen with the Simple theme.
15:34:15 <clokep> aleth: The spliting of messages doesn't bothe rme personally...most long math equations I'd send would probably be over XMPP not IRC.
15:34:27 <aleth> clokep: Good point!
15:34:28 <clokep> Do we have directions anywhree for enabling logging?
15:34:48 <aleth> clokep: Right, that bug should be tested with a current IB nightly before going further
15:35:06 <aleth> Also the nightlies have debug logging built in ;)
15:36:20 <aleth> Is it OK to ask the bug reporter to install IB? :P
15:37:03 <clokep> I don't think so.
15:37:06 <clokep> I'm going to ask for a debug log.
15:38:08 <aleth> I just thought that might actually be more work for the reporter than trying it in IB...
15:44:45 <clokep> aleth: Well Instantbird can't connect either.
15:52:30 <clokep> But I have no idea why. :-S
15:58:26 <clokep> Well it seems they run their own IRCd.
16:01:04 <flo-retina> clokep: "debug log" doesn't really exist on Tb though :(
16:01:16 <clokep> flo-retina: Yeah.
16:01:25 <clokep> The server never sends us anything actually. :(
16:02:26 <flo-retina> maybe ask the reporter for the name of a client that works with that server, and compare with wireshark?
16:02:32 <flo-retina> maybe the port is wrong?
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16:07:30 <clokep> I checked the ports listed on their site.
16:10:49 <clokep> Ah, I think they have an invalid cert.
16:11:34 <clokep> Although that doesn't describe why not using SSL doesn't work anyway. :-D
16:11:36 <clokep> Let's see...
16:12:55 <clokep> Bah no that doesn't work either.
16:12:57 * clokep sighs.
16:25:56 <Mic> aleth: the screenshot with the equation is nice :)
16:31:17 <aleth> clokep: At least you now have a server to test your cert patch against ;)
16:31:28 <clokep> aleth: The cert isn't actually bad.
16:31:33 <Mic> What about a feature to peek at a conversation at hold? Something like showing (the beginning of ?) the three most recent messages in the tooltip, so you can have a look what's going on without having to open a (maybe lengthy) conversation and sending it back to hold?
16:31:33 <clokep> I'm just not getting a connection at all.
16:32:11 <clokep> Mic: That could be useful. :)
16:32:21 * clokep still thinks we could use Aero peek better.
16:32:28 <aleth> Mic: sounds good :)
16:32:32 <Mic> bbl
16:37:24 * clokep wonders if it's rejecting my IP address.
17:10:56 <Mic> clokep: if you send me the details of the server I'd try to connect from here?
17:11:59 <clokep> Mic: irc.euirc.net:6667, no SSL.
17:13:58 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/143026
17:14:23 <Mic> That's two connects in there if I'm not mistaken
17:15:00 <clokep> Mic: Yeah, thanks. Same results as me.
17:22:04 <flo-retina> clokep: there's something missing in these logs
17:22:32 <flo-retina> clokep: onTransportStatus(STATUS_RECEIVING_FROM) indicates that we are receiving something. But nothing in the log indicates what it is
17:28:12 <flo-retina> clokep: also maybe a stupid question but have you tried at least one of {Pidgin,ChatZilla}? :)
17:32:37 <clokep> flo-retina: No. I don't have them installed right now.
17:32:42 <clokep> I'll check in a bit though.
17:34:30 <Mic> Mibbit works by the way.
17:34:45 <clokep> Yeah, but you can't get the debug log of Mibbit. :P
17:34:51 <flo-retina> probably not helpful for wireshark ;)
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17:40:32 * clokep can't even telnet to it. :(
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17:49:58 <Mic> Good evening!
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17:52:10 <clokep> flo-retina: You're right, we ARE reciving some data.
17:52:44 <flo-retina> and do you know what that data is now?
17:53:30 <clokep> Yes.
17:53:41 <clokep> Is there a way to show \r or \n as \r \n in a string?
17:54:00 <clokep> It just shows as a line break in the error console. :-D
17:54:05 * clokep guesses he can find replace...
17:57:54 <clokep> WTF.
17:58:00 <clokep> They use \n as a delimiter and not \r\n.
17:59:48 <aleth> :(
18:00:14 * aleth wonders what strange server software they are using
18:01:43 <clokep> aleth: They have their own software.
18:01:48 <flo-retina> clokep: .toSource()
18:01:55 <flo-retina> clokep: or JSON.stringify()
18:07:00 <aleth> Ah, the mathjax docs are hosted on github. No wonder the search doesn't quite work :-/
18:07:30 <clokep> Bah eeverything in this network is in German.
18:15:50 <clokep> And now they're telling me that IB/TB parse it wrong and that \r is optional.
18:15:52 * clokep sighs.
18:17:29 <aleth> What is this, old school Windows admins?
18:17:52 <aleth> Huh, everything on mdn is French all of a sudden.
18:22:41 <flo-retina> clokep: are you going to teach them how to read specs? ;)
18:23:18 <clokep> flo-retina: They were actually fairly nice abou tit.
18:23:40 <flo-retina> are they fixing it?
18:25:09 <clokep> Yes, sometime "this year" "maybe"
18:26:18 <aleth> That's much better than nothing, I guess ;)
18:29:50 <clokep> r? aleth
18:31:12 <aleth> Well, they could have said "it works with all other clients" :P
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18:34:35 <flo-retina> so why does it work with other clients?
18:36:37 <flo-retina> nobody read the rfcs?
18:41:41 <clokep> flo-retina: I actually checked ChatZilla, and they split on \n and then replace \r throughout the entire message.
18:42:45 <flo-retina> so they handle \r as junk?
18:42:48 <clokep> So, the RFCs were written after a lot of implementations existed already.
18:42:50 <clokep> Yes.
18:43:06 <clokep> So maybe some servers used \n, some used \r\n and \r\n was formalized, but never enforced?
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18:43:23 <flo-retina> I think in some place I split on \r?\n for JS-XMPP
18:44:14 <flo-retina> possibly to get rid of the linebreaks in the b64 encoded data of avatar icons
18:44:53 * aleth files bug on MathJax's bugtracker
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18:47:16 <clokep> What bug? :P
18:47:40 <aleth> https://github.com/mathjax/MathJax/issues/395
18:48:21 <flo-retina> I like "near future as in "we will be alive when it's happening"" :-D
18:49:23 <flo-retina> aleth: are you sure it's not *your* bug?
18:50:03 <flo-retina> that code calls window.open to open a popup, and Instantbird likely doesn't support that at all
18:50:05 <aleth> flo-retina: The same problem happens with the Latex demos on mathjax.org when visited with FF
18:50:15 <flo-retina> with the exact same error message?
18:51:04 <aleth> On FF it's "window.open is not a function"
18:51:53 <aleth> But you're right, I should have included the FF version :-/
18:52:29 <aleth> Fixed :)
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18:57:12 <aleth> flo-retina: Any ideas on what could be causing blurring such as in https://i.minus.com/jVeIon24ziwGm.png ?
18:57:50 <flo-retina> is that a context message?
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18:58:06 <aleth> Yes, but that's not the problem.
18:58:13 <flo-retina> could be a bad interaction between mathml and the svg filter
18:58:30 <aleth> It happens with non-context-messages too
19:04:34 <aleth> Hmm, let me try something
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19:07:43 <aleth> Right, it's the SVG filter. Context messages must be present.
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21:15:39 <aleth> If anyone wants to test the Mathjax add-on, let me know.
21:16:03 <aleth> It seems to be too big to upload to AIO :-/
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21:32:28 <flo-retina> how big is it?
21:32:36 <aleth> 17.4M
21:35:04 <flo-retina> ouch
21:35:26 <aleth> That's the drawback of having to include all of MathJax...
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21:35:47 <flo-retina> can't you minimify it?
21:36:50 <aleth> It already looks pretty minimified
21:37:56 <aleth> Most of the space doesn't seem to be JS anyway, it's fonts etc
21:38:52 <aleth> But I was also surprised it was so big.
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21:44:24 <aleth> Works nicely though now :)
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23:09:34 <Mic> lol
23:10:05 <Mic> 17.4MB for an add-on, that's ~ 1.5 times the size of our windows installer ;)
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23:13:39 <clokep_wp7> aleth: I thought it included the source? You can probably remove the parsers that you aren't using also. I'd like a copy though! :-)
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