#instantbird log on 01 17 2013

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01:11:26 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2196 on bug 1864.
01:11:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update copyright year for 2013
01:13:07 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2197 on bug 1864.
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01:46:51 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2198 on bug 1075.
01:46:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1075 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Sametime crash [@ purple_conv_chat_add_users ]
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03:36:31 <instant-buildbot> build #749 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/749
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03:54:10 <PelPix> Guys.  I have an idea.
03:54:46 <PelPix> Instantbird needs a motto.  I suggest
03:54:58 <PelPix> "There is no GTK, Only XUL"
03:55:06 <EionRobb> How about "Instantbird: The messenger for butchers"
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04:24:40 <instant-buildbot> build #747 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/747
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05:21:40 <instant-buildbot> build #836 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/836
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10:10:27 <aleth> hello :)
10:10:43 <aleth> happy new year :D
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11:11:16 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 2183 on bug 1690.
11:11:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1690 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, /whois in a private irc conversation should support being parameterless
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11:22:04 <clokep> Hello aleth! There's lots of IRC reviews you can steal from flo if you're bored. :-D
11:22:07 <clokep> (And happy new year!)
11:22:26 <clokep> Don't we already have a motto in the about menu? :P
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11:31:44 <clokep> aleth: Does http://pastebin.instantbird.com/127655 look reasonable?
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11:38:20 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aleth@instantbird.o rg for attachment 2199 on bug 1690.
11:38:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1690 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, /whois in a private irc conversation should support being parameterless
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11:55:17 <aleth> linux nightlies are back too... :)
11:56:15 <aleth> clokep: are you building on moz19 already? string.contains() is moz19 afaik
11:57:00 <clokep> aleth: moz18.
11:57:12 <clokep> And yes, I'm on moz 18 already.
11:57:19 <clokep> Let me revert it..
11:57:46 <clokep> aleth: any other comments/
11:57:49 <aleth> Or mark your patch as depending on the moz18 bug
11:58:00 <clokep> I'd rather not. :)
11:58:02 <aleth> No, that looks good to me :)
11:59:00 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(aleth@instantbird.o rg) for attachment 2199 on bug 1690.
11:59:01 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aleth@instantbird.o rg for attachment 2200 on bug 1690.
11:59:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1690 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, /whois in a private irc conversation should support being parameterless
12:02:21 <aleth> clokep: You might want to s/19/18 here as well, if the previous patch worked for you https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/String/contains
12:04:05 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 2200 on bug 1690.
12:04:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1690 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, /whois in a private irc conversation should support being parameterless
12:05:07 <clokep> aleth: -1, right?
12:05:12 <aleth> Yup.
12:05:25 <flo-retina> aleth: happy new year! :)
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12:06:19 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aleth@instantbird.o rg for attachment 2201 on bug 1690.
12:06:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1690 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, /whois in a private irc conversation should support being parameterless
12:07:40 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2201 on bug 1690.
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12:09:32 <aleth> flo-retina: thanks! :)
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12:26:58 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2193 on bug 1825.
12:27:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1825 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Unhandled IRC message 321
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12:32:23 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2195 on bug 1753.
12:32:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1753 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, IRC says messages are unhandled when they are partially handled
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12:34:15 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2192 on bug 1863.
12:34:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1863 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, whois replies displayed in conversations should have the noLog flag
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12:40:00 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2189 on bug 1847.
12:40:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1847 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, The channel password shouldn't be displayed each time I join a password protected channel
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12:43:55 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 2194 on bug 1710.
12:43:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1710 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Unhandled IRC message: 335
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12:53:52 * aleth is puzzled by string.contains(), which looks like it landed for moz17 https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/87e7abe891a9, but doesn't work in the error console at least
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12:58:04 <clokep_work> aleth: So...the only issue with bug 1710...is that reed is not a bot. :-D
12:58:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1710 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Unhandled IRC message: 335
12:58:11 <clokep_work> But I'm guessing that that's a joke.
12:58:17 <aleth> lol
12:58:29 <clokep_work> Thanks for all the reviews. :)
13:03:31 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 2191 on bug 1834.
13:03:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1834 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Handle InfoServ
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13:05:22 <flo-retina> oh, aleth took all my irc reviews? :)
13:06:27 <aleth> they happened to fit nicely into the lunch break ;)
13:08:58 <flo-retina> :)
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13:23:28 <aleth> Btw, I happened to install IB on an 8-year old Dell around Xmas and it felt disappointingly sluggish when opening conversations from hold. Displaying old messages takes a very long time, even when there are only ~hundreds. (thankfully the owners won't be using IRC ;) )
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14:09:39 <clokep_work> flo-retina: It's OK, I think I have other reviews up for you anyway. :-D
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15:05:38 <aleth> flo-retina: Why is .outgoing more efficient than div.outgoing in CSS?
15:06:45 <aleth> I always assumed all those div.'s and p.'s in the message styles were there for efficiency... 
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19:06:33 <flo-retina> aleth: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/CSS/Writing_Efficient_CSS#Don.27t_qualify_class-categorized_rules_with_tag_names
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20:13:37 <Mic|web> aleth: I wouldn't rely on the error console for checking out js-features
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21:23:55 <black_sheep> I would like to use Thunderbird for IRC on the OFTC network, using an SSL connection. However, when I try to do so, I get an error message related to not trusting the certificate. I have imported the certificate from here: http://www.spi-inc.org/ca/spi-cacert.crt
21:24:11 <black_sheep> that link is available here: http://www.oftc.net/oftc/
21:24:26 <black_sheep> I imported it using Thunderbird's Certificate Manager
21:24:39 <black_sheep> I am on a Windows 7 OS.
21:24:50 <black_sheep> Any ideas on what I am missing?
21:26:47 <clokep_work> black_sheep: Did you import it as the right type of cert?
21:26:54 <clokep_work> aleth might know more of how to do this. :-/
21:28:38 <black_sheep> I imported it on the Authorities tab
21:32:17 * aleth finds that UI terrible too
21:32:37 <aleth> black_sheep: Have you tried selecting the imported cert and clicking "edit trust'?
21:33:07 <black_sheep> let me look at that again
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21:41:51 <black_sheep> would you say that the cert should be put in Servers tab or Authorities tab, or can it be in both without problems?
21:44:40 <aleth> Authorities would be my guess for a root cert
21:44:48 <black_sheep> frankly, I also wonder whether it would be effective, but more secure, to simply Add Exception instead of Edit Trust and flat out say I trust it.
21:45:05 <black_sheep> Okay.
21:46:13 <Mook_as> black_sheep: you need to import it as a CA, and say "allow this to identify websites"
21:46:16 <Mook_as> (it's not checked by default)
21:55:58 <black_sheep> it is now working. thanks. i would swear that i did trust it last time, but apparently it is unforgiving about the order in which you click and trust, etc. anyway. now is good.  
21:56:35 <black_sheep> muchas gracias. it is working with SSL properly as i wanted.
21:56:45 <black_sheep> :)  <-------   another happy camper
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21:57:36 <aleth> Great!
21:58:39 <black_sheep> now, on my wishlist for the IRC component of Thunderbird is the capability of using SASL on freenode. apparently there would need to be a script for it to work, but I'm not sure. That is how I do with other clients.
22:00:35 <aleth> It works with Instantbird ;)
22:01:07 <black_sheep> what is Instantbird?
22:01:16 <black_sheep> where can i look at it?
22:01:23 <aleth> http://www.instantbird.com/
22:01:42 <aleth> or follow the links in the topic of this channel ;)
22:02:04 <aleth> SASL support should be in the next TB release, but I don't know offhand when that will be
22:02:56 <black_sheep> IB is an IM client
22:03:12 <aleth> Sure.
22:03:25 <black_sheep> I am really glad to hear about the SASL support coming to TB. Awesome!
22:04:02 <aleth> The IRC code in TB is from IB though ;)
22:04:17 <black_sheep> gotta go now. I will be around and keep my eyes open.
22:04:22 <aleth> or more precisely, shared across both.
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22:12:38 <clokep_work> aleth: I'm OK w/ "from" :P
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22:16:24 * aleth wonders at people finding #instantbird without knowing instantbird
22:16:45 <EionRobb> what's an instantbird?
22:16:48 <aleth> Maybe we're big on twitter or something
22:16:52 <aleth> ;)
22:16:53 <EionRobb> is it some kind of file transfer mechanism?
22:17:24 <aleth> EionRobb: Really small files. We call them "messages"
22:20:05 <Mook_as> aleth: dude was asking for help in #thunderbir
22:22:08 <aleth> Mook_as: ah ok.
22:24:50 <aleth> "The topic for #thunderbird is: TB not dead"
22:26:09 <EionRobb> tuberculosis will never die
22:30:08 <Mook_as> I can confirm, I was hospitalized in the TB ward for a while. (I did not, however, have TB; it was just an available room.)
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