#instantbird log on 01 10 2013

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02:54:27 <clokep> Hmm...I have an idea of flo's issue...but I need to attempt to reproduce.
02:54:30 <clokep> How do I set Necko as offline?
02:55:16 <EionRobb> "but I need to attempt to reproduce." that's why people get married
02:56:05 <clokep> Yeah, yeah. Rub it in, why don't you? :P
02:57:33 <EionRobb> "rubbing one in" is not the right way to reproduce
03:01:21 <clokep> Meh, that's a lame joke, wrong phrasing.
03:01:45 <EionRobb> aww :( sorry
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03:30:17 <instant-buildbot> build #736 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/736
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04:28:43 <instant-buildbot> build #740 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/740
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05:37:33 <instant-buildbot> build #829 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/829
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10:11:31 <flo-retina> clokep: re http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/130110#m19, see http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/debug/debug.js#40 (and change the last value to true obviously)
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11:21:16 <flo-retina> "clokep has left the room (Quit: Input/output error)" does that mean you've finally found how to reproduce?
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11:21:59 <clokep> flo-retina: No.
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11:26:28 <clokep> Maybe if we wrote logs to disk I could check. :(
11:27:42 <flo-retina> we should add a way (hidden pref? environment variable?) to log everything (or everything related to an account) to stderr/stdio or a file
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11:30:10 <clokep> Yeah, that seems reasonable.
11:33:12 <clokep> I also might know what's up with the crazy jb messages you were getting.
11:33:15 <clokep> But I need to test it. :)
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13:40:06 <clokep_work> Optimizer: Are you using Pidgin for IRC?
13:40:44 <clokep_work> (Re: "Quit: Max SendQ exceeded")
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13:46:55 <clokep_work> Bah you're away.
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15:00:36 <clokep_work> This is fairly interesting btw: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/messengerconnect/thread/1e97ea40-1176-4833-8c8f-58373037908a
15:00:50 <clokep_work> Seems that we could continue to support MSN through October 2013 by using XMPP.
15:01:03 <clokep_work> But after that it's Skype only.
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15:12:29 <flo-retina> "In reference to the notice on the dev.live.com site titled Important update from Microsoft ..." do we know what that document is?
15:13:04 <clokep_work> No.
15:13:35 <clokep_work> We recently announced that we’ll begin to encourage Messenger users to start using Skype. As a result, the Messenger developer program will end. Existing implementations that use Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) will continue to work until October 2013. Existing implementations that use MSP will continue to work until March 2014. For support for existing XMPP implementations, please visit o
15:13:35 <clokep_work> Forums page.
15:13:49 <clokep_work> (You don't even need to log in, it's just there.)
15:13:56 <clokep_work> It's the same as the text in the reply I think.
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15:15:01 <flo-retina> ah right
15:15:33 <flo-retina> so does that mean we should do our best to release before March 15 something that uses JS-XMPP for MSN instead of the current msn prpl?
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15:17:27 <clokep_work> I think so. And then hope we can support Skype by October.
15:17:43 * flo-retina isn't motivated by working on MSN stuff.
15:17:50 <flo-retina> I don't think I have any MSN contacts left.
15:18:35 <clokep_work> I have one...that I almost always talk to on GTalk now. :-D
15:19:03 <flo-retina> oh yeah, if you count contacts that I have on MSN but talk to only on gtalk, I probably have 2 or 3
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15:19:48 * clokep_work finds this interesting though.
15:20:08 <clokep_work> An actual IM network being shut down...it's a weird case that most IM programs probably can't handle well.
15:20:32 <clokep_work> (E.g. the contacts could really be deleted once they close their servers for good.)
15:21:20 <flo-retina> clokep_work: don't we still need them for the purpose of grouping lots of the contact?
15:21:43 <clokep_work> I don't see how? :-S
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15:21:58 <clokep_work> Although I guess if the user deletes their MSN account they would be removed anyway?
15:23:29 <flo-retina> s/lots/logs/
15:23:54 <flo-retina> a typo on one letter that completely destroys the meaning of the whole sentence :(
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15:24:50 <clokep_work> Ohhhh.
15:24:55 <clokep_work> Yes, you'd be right in that case. :)
15:24:58 <clokep_work> I didn't even think of that.
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15:26:38 <Optimizer> clokep_work: pong
15:26:52 <flo-retina> Optimizer: which IRC client are you using?
15:26:56 <Optimizer> this one
15:27:12 <Optimizer> and I was going to file a bug about this, here is the problem 
15:27:13 <flo-retina> which version?
15:27:17 <Optimizer> nightly
15:27:20 <flo-retina> ok
15:27:27 <Optimizer> I am logged in from two places
15:27:35 <Optimizer> so there is a nick name fight going on
15:27:50 <Optimizer> which is disconnecting one of the two regularly
15:27:59 <Optimizer> I am sure this is a recent problem only
15:28:22 <clokep_work> It shouldn't disconnecting one of them.
15:28:28 <clokep_work> Once you have a nick we don't try to "steal" it back.
15:29:25 <Optimizer> but it does
15:29:37 <Optimizer> see now I have logged one off, it will be stable
15:29:50 <Optimizer> (except for the few actual internet disconnects)
15:30:01 <Optimizer> I also get these messages from NickServ
15:30:54 <Optimizer> {"date":"2012-12-11T12:49:59.000Z","who":"Optimizer1","text":"Could not use the specified nickname. Your nick remains Optimizer1.","flags":["system"]}
15:31:24 <Optimizer> like every 40 seconds
15:31:26 <clokep_work> If you get disconnected it will of course attempt to reuse the main nickname, but we don't actively try to get the other nickname back without a disconnect. (Unless I don't remember reviewing a patch from aleth that does that...)
15:31:58 <Optimizer> it is consistently happening at around every 30 seconds
15:32:20 <Optimizer> and when this happens
15:32:31 <Optimizer> this client does not even connects back to the server
15:33:10 <Optimizer> as I said, this is recent only.
15:33:19 <Optimizer> did not see it in novmber
15:36:09 <flo-retina> just to be sure, are you using a bouncer between Instantbird and the irc server?
15:36:40 <Optimizer> what is that ?
15:37:05 <Optimizer> a normal broadband connection at one place, and the other is work, so no idea about that
15:39:03 * clokep_work thinks that's a "no" :)
15:44:13 <Optimizer> so do you think that its a bug ?
15:46:14 <clokep_work> There's definitely a bug, I don't agree with you about the cause.
15:46:25 <clokep_work> I think it is the same bug that flo-retina was seeing causing other weird behavior.
15:48:32 <Optimizer> I am convinced that its a nick fight bug
15:50:24 <clokep_work> OK. Then file a new bug, please.
15:50:32 <clokep_work> With debug logs please.
15:50:44 <Optimizer> debug logs ?
15:51:16 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I'm afraid the debug logs will be similarly hard to get than they were for me yesterday :(
15:57:50 <clokep_work> Possibly...is there a way to just increase them yet?
15:58:58 <flo-retina> I think there was a patch from aleth around to add a hidden pref for that, but I don't remember if it ever landed
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16:58:49 <flo-retina> so, what is it that we can't parse in https://bug829065.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=700452 ?
16:59:16 <flo-retina> aaaah!
16:59:25 <flo-retina> I'm sure aleth fixed a similar bug on twitter
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17:08:36 <flo-retina> I wonder if that's just the server being flaky
17:08:49 <flo-retina> I don't see how the code could cause that issue with socket.jsm
17:09:14 <flo-retina> we don't concat previously received text with the new data anywhere
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17:10:26 <flo-retina> ah, or maybe it's again only the server that we get if we don't support DNS SRV that's broken
17:12:52 <flo-retina> hmm, I have a conversation tab that completely stopped being updated after detaching it and reattaching it to my main conversation window
17:13:49 <flo-retina> putting the conversation on hold and reopening it fixed it
17:14:12 <flo-retina> nothing in the error console, but it stopped updating ~an hour ago, so I probably looked too late
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17:29:21 <clokep_work> :(
17:31:32 <clokep_work> "I'm trying to use thunderbird (17.0.2) to connect to jabber.org for chat (I'm using pidgin)." Uhhh that doesn't parse. :-S
17:33:16 <flo-retina> the XML parser agrees with you
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17:35:41 <clokep_work> Did I break something in socket.jsm at some point or a different issue?
17:37:34 <flo-retina> I don't think so
17:37:53 <flo-retina> I suspect it's just the server that's sending us non sense
17:38:04 <flo-retina> but it could be worth verifying
17:39:19 <clokep_work> Mmhmm.
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