#instantbird log on 11 30 2012

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00:01:54 <wnayes> Otherwise I had come to the conclusion it was working, but the extent of my testing was to see that conversations/messages still had the correct dates in logs, etc. I was not sure where the imThemes.jsm actually appeared in use.
00:02:14 <wnayes> *the change in imThemes.jsm
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00:18:25 <flo> wnayes: that part of the message themes was completely broken, so none of the default message themes use it ;)
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00:51:10 <flo> wnayes: what's the bug number again? (it's not in my review queue apparently :-S)
00:51:50 <clokep> flo: bug 1705
00:51:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1705 enh, --, ---, wnayes, ASSI, Implement the import wizard service and backend
00:52:02 <flo> no, it was bug 1824 (just found it ;))
00:52:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1824 enh, --, ---, wnayes, ASSI, Add a startDate attribute to prplIConversation
00:52:07 <clokep> Oh shoot, that wasn't the one you wanted. :(
00:53:01 * flo wonders if clokep wanted to look at that patch too
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00:54:48 <clokep> flo: I looked at it, I didn't see anything obviously wrong. I'd give it a f+, not an r+. ;)
00:54:54 <clokep> (I agree with your nit about the Math.round btw.)
00:57:03 <flo> ok, let's see if I can test that quickly :)
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01:04:46 <flo-retina> bah, that patch doesn't work for the fake conversation displayed in the pref window :(
01:09:46 <wnayes> flo-retina: In the Themes page? What isn't working?
01:10:03 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 2126 on bug 1824.
01:10:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1824 enh, --, ---, wnayes, ASSI, Add a startDate attribute to prplIConversation
01:11:45 <flo-retina> I didn't know we could set both r+ and r- on the same patch :)
01:13:00 <wnayes> I didn't have those issues but I'll pull from the main repo and try again.
01:13:30 <flo-retina> I think the issue is just that startDate is never set in these 2 cases
01:14:03 <flo-retina> well, this._date is not set
01:14:45 <flo-retina> these 2 cases don't call GenericConversationPrototype's _init method as Services.conversations.addConversation shouldn't be called for them
01:15:10 <flo-retina> sorry for the delay in trying this :-/
01:15:13 <flo-retina> good evening/night
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01:41:57 <wnayes> OK, I see that errors wouldn't have been thrown since the timeOpened value was never in any of the themes to begin with. I've found where the changes are needed now :)
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01:53:56 <clokep> Is there no way to see my saved passwords? :-S
01:54:19 <clokep> Oh der, it's right in front of me...
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03:36:49 <instant-buildbot> build #697 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/697
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05:19:41 <instant-buildbot> build #788 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/788
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07:44:41 <instant-buildbot> build #697 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/697
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11:20:30 <flo-retina> have we changed recently the way we store passwords for autojoined IRC channels?
11:20:56 <clokep> flo-retina: We don't store passwords for autojoined IRC channels. We never have.
11:21:09 <flo-retina> strange :-S
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11:21:34 <flo-retina> it's the first time that I fail to join an IRC channel with a password that's been in the auto-join for a while
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11:23:57 <clokep> We store passwords over restarts now though.
11:24:03 <clokep> I think?
11:24:05 <clokep> Wait.
11:24:06 <clokep> No.
11:24:09 <clokep> I mean over reconnects.
11:24:17 * clokep is half asleep still. :-D
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11:27:55 <clokep> I think aleth would like it if we could auto-join password protected rooms. ;)
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11:30:03 <aleth> You may be able to add the password to the autojoin field though? (similar to the /join syntax)
11:30:26 <clokep> Yes, you can do that.
11:30:29 * aleth would like it if we had session restore instead, which would work like reconnects
11:30:34 <clokep> We explicitly secretly support that.
11:31:37 <aleth> Didn't we have a hotkey wiki page somewhere?
11:32:06 <aleth> Those mailing lists get a lot of spam :-/
11:32:09 <clokep> I don't know.
11:32:24 <flo-retina> ok, let me just put the password in there and forget the issue. I'm not in the mind of making that a priority :-D
11:32:27 <clokep> I'd like it if someone could reply to that email today though: I don't think I'm qualified...I couldn't come up with more than like 3 hotkeys...
11:32:48 <aleth> But we should reply by pointing at a wiki page I think
11:32:56 <flo-retina> hotkeys for what?
11:33:14 <clokep> aleth: If it exists, sure.
11:33:14 <aleth> Everything :P
11:34:07 <aleth> clokep: I don't think it does - can you make one?
11:34:31 <clokep> aleth: I don't know any of hte hotkets (besides like zoom and cut/paste)
11:34:41 <clokep> You should be able to make new wiki pages?
11:34:49 <aleth> Nope
11:35:11 <aleth> clokep: There will be more, if we each add them as we remember I suspect it could be useful
11:35:29 <clokep> aleth: What do you want the page name to be?
11:35:45 <aleth> "Keyboard shortcuts"? "Hotkey list"?
11:36:25 <aleth> Ah, related bugs: bug 427, bug 1595
11:36:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Keyboard shortcuts are not discoverable in the conversation window
11:36:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1595 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Improve conversation context menus
11:36:36 * clokep is almost positive you can make pages...
11:36:41 <flo-retina> I think the only "hotkeys" that really need to be listed somewhere are the non-discoverable ones
11:37:13 <flo-retina> Command+f for Find, Escape for "put on hold", Command-w to close the tab, Command+shift+H to show History
11:37:21 <aleth> I agree. But listing them indiscriminately on the wiki to start with (just to collect them) is cheap.
11:37:40 <flo-retina> the Zoom keys
11:37:50 <clokep> aleth: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Keyboard_shortcuts
11:37:51 <Mic> + section scroll
11:37:54 <flo-retina> and the Command+shift+number
11:38:00 <aleth> clokep: thanks
11:38:03 <flo-retina> ah, yes, section scroll isn't easy to discover
11:38:18 <aleth> Home/End for section scroll isn't too bad
11:38:19 <aleth> But yes.
11:38:20 <flo-retina> I don't even know what it is, as I always use the gesture on the touch pad
11:39:16 <clokep> I don't usually use section scrol. :( The page up/down/home/end keys are inconvenient to get to on a keyboard, I find...
11:39:53 <Mic> clokep: not on a normal one but it's a pain on notebook keyboards :(
11:39:54 <flo-retina> clokep: hence the touchpad gestures ;)
11:40:04 <clokep> Mic: Exactly.
11:40:08 <clokep> flo-retina: I don't even have a touchpad!
11:40:19 * clokep dislikes touchpads.
11:40:33 <Mic> flo-retina: do you have "scrolling with inertia" btw?
11:40:59 <Mic> I mean does it work in Instantbird? I think you can enable that globally on Mac OS..
11:41:30 <flo-retina> Mic: I think it's just there everywhere
11:42:05 <aleth> Are there any shortcuts in the buddy list?
11:44:31 <clokep> aleth: Just the ones that are there in the menus, I think.
11:44:34 <Mic> I think there are only the ones from the menu .
11:44:36 <clokep> Ctrl+Shift+A, Ctrl+D
11:44:44 <clokep> aleth: "Contact list" btw. ;)
11:44:52 <clokep> (If you're putting it on the wiki page)
11:45:09 <clokep> Lightning has the same annoying debug capability we used to have https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=814957#c3 ;)
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11:57:41 <Mic> bye
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11:58:50 * clokep hopes aleth clicked the box to "always allow this email address to post"...
11:59:07 <aleth> Ah, is that the secret? :)
11:59:16 <clokep> It's one of the secrets. ;)
11:59:46 <aleth> I remembered fl o complaining about it so I assumed it was not fixable...
12:01:39 <clokep> Well next time...
12:01:42 <clokep> Thanks for responding. :)
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18:43:34 * flo-retina has been "away" all the afternoon just because of the lack of Status Reminder
18:43:50 <flo-retina> if the buddy list isn't visible, there's absolutely no way to know you are "away" :(
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20:47:00 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2147 on bug 1810.
20:47:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1810 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Filter spaces from IRC nick-/account names
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20:56:52 <clokep> aleth: It'd help in that case to give me an example return of 432. :)
20:57:04 <clokep> Contrary to popular belief, I don't have them all memorized. :-D
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23:09:03 <clokep> Apparently my blog post ended up in the whatwg IRC channel (o_O)
23:09:43 <Mook_as> which one was it again? I think I saw it, but I don't have your feed here...
23:10:44 <clokep> Mook_as: http://clokep.blogspot.se/2012/11/javascript-typed-arrays-pain.html
23:11:05 <Mook_as> ah, typed arrays, right
23:11:09 <clokep> (http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20121129#l-394 is the very very brief discussion about it...and a link to another post from April that is similar to mine)
23:11:25 <clokep> And proposes the same solution I do. :-D (Let you specify at creation time what the endianess is)
23:11:56 <Mook_as> yep, the endianness bit has come up before.
23:12:37 <Mook_as> I think bz mentioned it once in response to some hacks.m.o post at some point too
23:12:52 <clokep> Mmmm. I just can't believe they chose /system/ endianess. :(
23:13:20 <clokep> (Which is also what MATLAB uses when writing out files...it's really annoying. :P)
23:13:41 <Mook_as> yeah, I was thinking https://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/12/faster-canvas-pixel-manipulation-with-typed-arrays/#comment-1065713
23:15:49 <clokep> It isn't too painful, I can just use the DataView, it's just...frustrating...
23:16:07 <Mook_as> sounds like a good match for the rest of the web? :p
23:16:11 <clokep> On the bright side I'm close to trying to connect. ;)
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23:24:26 <clokep> I would have expected it to be in network order since it's JS, but it sounds like it is system endian because of benefits w/ WebGL?
23:24:43 <Mook_as> yep, because it originally was used for webgl
23:24:50 <Mook_as> and just kinda leaked everywhere because it's useful
23:25:36 <clokep> That's what useful things do! :-D
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23:25:49 <clokep> We'll see how useful it really is if it works...
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