#instantbird log on 11 05 2012

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00:23:19 <instant-buildbot> build #310 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Failure [failed hg]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/310  blamelist: aleth <aletheia2@fastmail.fm>, Florian Qu?ze <florian@instantbird.org>, Mook <mook.moz+bugs.instantbird@gmail.com>
00:32:11 <instant-buildbot> build #341 of linux-onCommit is complete: Failure [failed hg]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/341  blamelist: aleth <aletheia2@fastmail.fm>, Florian Qu?ze <florian@instantbird.org>, Mook <mook.moz+bugs.instantbird@gmail.com>
00:32:38 <instant-buildbot> build #329 of win32-onCommit is complete: Failure [failed hg]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/329  blamelist: aleth <aletheia2@fastmail.fm>, Florian Qu?ze <florian@instantbird.org>, Mook <mook.moz+bugs.instantbird@gmail.com>
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01:00:45 <gg0> hello, any flo* around?
01:00:59 <gg0> patch is this one http://paste.debian.net/plain/206520/
01:01:31 <gg0> it simply removes ifdefs XP_WIN, I confirm it works
01:02:52 <EionRobb> wow, not even a clokep :)
01:03:05 <EionRobb> spooky
01:04:22 <gg0> but they read logs so maybe in few minutes someone pops up
01:15:57 <gg0> or tomorrow or on December :P
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01:21:46 <instant-buildbot> build #342 of linux-onCommit is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/342
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01:23:06 <flo-retina> EionRobb: yes, I messed up a .htaccess file
01:23:12 <flo-retina> EionRobb: should be fixed now
01:24:05 <flo-retina> gg0: would you mind filing a bug for this change and attaching the patch? That would be the best way to ensure it's not going to be forgotten ;)
01:24:15 <gg0> k
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01:25:11 <flo-retina> I have to fix bug 1752 immediately if we want nightlies tomorrow :(
01:25:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1752 maj, --, 1.3, nobody, NEW, No rule to make target srcdir/.mozconfig.mk
01:25:38 <flo-retina> clokep: how was the BBQ? :)
01:26:00 <clokep> flo-retina: I ate bacon wrapped in sausage wrapped in bacon...so successful. :)
01:26:20 <clokep> No pictures online yet. ;)
01:26:29 <clokep> But we cooked 12 pounds of meet...
01:26:30 <clokep> meat
01:27:51 <flo-retina> the reason why I need to fix that asap is that because of the hg bustage, buildbot clobered the source trees on all 3 builders :(
01:28:49 <clokep> :(
01:28:55 * clokep is reading the logs
01:29:38 <flo-retina> clokep: summary: BIO was slow to the point of being unusable. It turned out the cause was bingbot (and a few others, but mostly bingbot) DDoS the server by crawling hg.instantbird.org
01:30:48 <flo-retina> clokep: I added a robots.txt file, but the bot didn't take it into account immediately, so I edited some .htaccess files to get rid of the excessive load immediately and get BIO back online, but I messed up something in one .htaccess file I edited, making the main hg repository unusable for ~2 hours
01:31:14 <clokep> :(
01:31:19 <clokep> Good thing I was offline for all of this. :-D
01:32:44 <flo-retina> bah, the fix is trivial: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=586342&action=diff :)
01:34:24 <clokep> :)
01:36:26 <flo-retina> I think we also need the changes from https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=630908&action=diff
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01:38:23 <clokep> flo-retina: This sounds likely. Is this all really part of the "Update our build scripts"?
01:38:41 <flo-retina> ok, the c-c version is http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/edc7794adaf5
01:39:00 <flo-retina> clokep: yes. But I won't do the whole update at 2:39am
01:40:07 <clokep> Of course. :)
01:40:27 * clokep is willing to accept and r? and maybe give an r+? ;)
01:41:42 <flo-retina> we don't even have the build/autoconf/mozconfig2client-mk file at all :(
01:42:11 <flo-retina> clokep: I'm willing to check this in with r=bustage-fix or r=instantbot or even no r= at all, as long as it builds and I can go to bed ;)
01:42:28 <flo-retina> clokep: although if you want to r+ things, I'm sure there are things waiting for you in your queue :)
01:43:30 <clokep> flo-retina: There are. :( Things I don't want to review!
01:43:31 <clokep> :P
01:43:49 <clokep> But I'll review a few things before going to bed tonight.
01:43:51 <clokep> I have a few hours.
01:44:13 <flo-retina> pff, just http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/1032ac00f490 isn't enough :(
01:44:54 <instantbot> New Core - Eventloop bug 1759 filed by 1o5g4r8o@gmail.com.
01:44:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1759 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Patch for skype4pidgin on !WIN32
01:47:04 <clokep> Mic: Ping me about IRC avatars at some point and we can discuss.
01:48:18 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1562 to FIXED.
01:48:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1562 enh, --, 1.3, florian, RESO FIXED, Integrate Show Nick
01:48:48 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1685 to FIXED.
01:48:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1685 enh, --, 1.3, mook.moz+bugs.instantbird, RESO FIXED, Allow logging to be used in non-global scope
01:48:58 <flo-retina> clokep: maybe you can r? bug 1754 ?
01:49:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1754 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, No location information for messages logged from imXPCOMUtils
01:49:19 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1096 to FIXED.
01:49:21 * clokep is looking now.
01:49:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1096 nor, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Add "Visible tags..." entry to contacts listbox background context menu too
01:49:37 <flo-retina> I feel that it's something that could really benefit from unit tests, but I think it's too annoying to not have it in working conditions to delay fixing it
01:49:51 <flo-retina> (and I'm asking about this one because it's still applied locally :))
01:49:58 <flo-retina> so a checkin can be super quick
01:50:02 <clokep> OK. Let me try it real quick.
01:50:04 <clokep> Give me a minute.
01:52:43 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2041 on bug 1754.
01:52:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1754 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, No location information for messages logged from imXPCOMUtils
01:52:56 <clokep> 42 Unread bugmail messages? :(
01:53:26 <clokep> Also, I resent flo-retina having a smaller review queue than me. ;)
01:53:36 <flo-retina> clokep: if you want to r?, see bug 1752, otherwise I'll just check it in
01:53:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1752 maj, --, 1.3, florian, NEW, No rule to make target srcdir/.mozconfig.mk
01:53:55 <flo-retina> clokep: as long as SIPE is still in my queue, mine is still longer ;)
01:55:13 <clokep> :)
01:55:18 <clokep> I'm sure I can fill it more?
01:55:27 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2047 on bug 1752.
01:57:48 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2046 on bug 1759.
01:57:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1759 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Patch for skype4pidgin on !WIN32
01:57:52 <flo-retina> yes, I'm sure you can fill it more :)
01:58:25 <clokep> flo-retina: Are there particular bugs I should read before just going through all my bugmail?
01:58:57 <flo-retina> I'm going to bed as soon as I can see a working oncommit build, so you will have time to read all your bugmail anyway
02:00:31 <flo-retina> and linux oncommit has already passed configure successfully, so I think I can go sleep
02:00:34 <flo-retina> it's 3am :(
02:01:01 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/a9346a5e39a7 - Florian Quèze - Bug 1754 - No location information for messages logged from imXPCOMUtils, r=clokep.
02:01:02 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/2545a1382d8a - Florian Quèze - Bug 1752 - No rule to make target srcdir/.mozconfig.mk, r=clokep.
02:01:44 <clokep> Sounds good to me.
02:01:46 <clokep> Go to bed!
02:02:33 <flo-retina> Good evening :)
02:03:32 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1752 to FIXED.
02:03:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1752 maj, --, 1.3, florian, RESO FIXED, No rule to make target srcdir/.mozconfig.mk
02:04:36 <flo-retina> bah, I should cancel the mac oncommit
02:05:36 <clokep> EionRobb: Btw, I don't /live/ on this channel. ;) I'm not /always/ here.
02:05:51 <flo-retina> ah, maybe not, it's re cloning the whole repository :(
02:06:20 <flo-retina> that's going to take forever with the current speed of my parents' connection (not sure why it was 10 times slower than usual this week-end :-/) :(
02:06:25 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2044 on bug 1723.
02:06:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1723 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Unhandled IRC message 328: RPL_CHANNEL_URL
02:09:04 <flo-retina> ah, only the ib repository has been removed from the slaves, not the mozilla one
02:09:09 <flo-retina> less horrible than I feared :)
02:16:23 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird.org for attachment 2036 on bug 1742.
02:16:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1742 nor, --, 1.3, unghost, REOP, Add Odnoklassniki protocol
02:17:04 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1687 to WORKSFORME.
02:17:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1687 maj, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Missing IRC Channel Participants
02:20:09 <instant-buildbot> build #311 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Exception [exception interrupted]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/311  blamelist: Florian Qu?ze <florian@instantbird.org>
02:20:36 <flo-retina> the linux build is finished by the time the mac builder has finished its checkout...
02:21:06 <clokep> Hah. Can't wait to have that new builder? :)
02:21:24 <flo-retina> right, can't wait to drop PPC :)
02:21:28 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2039 on bug 1610.
02:21:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1610 tri, --, ---, florian, NEW, Display a correct error message in the conversation when receiving a message type=error stanza
02:21:45 <instant-buildbot> build #343 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/343
02:22:00 <clokep> I need to transfer all my trees back onto this computer. :(
02:26:42 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied review for attachment 2032 on bug 1511.
02:26:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1511 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Possible to add duplicate accounts
02:27:12 * flo-retina really goes to bed this time
02:30:13 <clokep> 'night! :)
02:38:01 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied review for attachment 2040 on bug 1751.
02:38:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1751 min, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, No feedback when the /nick command fails
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03:36:28 <instant-buildbot> build #676 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/676
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04:18:03 <instant-buildbot> build #330 of win32-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/330
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06:29:09 <instant-buildbot> build #764 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/764
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08:17:19 <instant-buildbot> build #677 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/677
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09:35:50 <Mic> Hi!
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09:38:50 <flo-retina> Mic: hi, happy show nick nightly :)
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09:41:48 * flo-retina isn't sure what happened, but it feels like someone will soon complain about the SASL IRC auth being broken in a corner case :).
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09:46:01 <Mic> I'm not sure either.
09:46:32 <Mic> Identifying didn't work automatically.
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09:49:01 <flo-retina> Mic: but it did 13 minutes ago when you entered the first time and we +h'ed by ChanServ, right?
09:49:09 <flo-retina> *were
09:51:31 <Mic> I join #ubuntu later. Changing to the tab seemed to hang IB and I timed out on Mozilla. I'd need to try again (and I am not in the mood to do that right now;)
09:52:21 <Mic> *joined
09:55:20 <flo-retina> was that just to test show nick, or do you really spend time in #ubuntu? :)
09:55:35 <Mic> I wanted to test show nick :)
09:56:26 <Mic> In the few minutes which I spent there I already had to witness some serious trolling. No thanks.
09:57:30 <flo-retina> ahah :)
09:58:07 * flo-retina isn't sure how it's possible to identify "serious trolling" when only looking at Show Nick's behavior without reading the messages :)
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10:26:20 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1760 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
10:26:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1760 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Show Nick should not match nicks in URLs etc
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10:30:57 <aleth> clokep: I get a Nickserv "please identify" message every time I reconnect, even though the auth on reconnect works of course
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10:36:53 <aleth> FLO-RETINA: Is it the expected behaviour for show nick to be case sensitive?
10:37:07 <aleth> I think we should probably add an 'i' to the regex...
10:40:49 <flo-retina> aleth: yes
10:41:14 <flo-retina> "even" shouldn't be highlighted.
10:41:38 <aleth> OK, if it's intended, I can certainly live with that
10:42:31 <flo-retina> and I'm not sure about URLs. That's never annoyed me.
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10:42:46 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1761 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
10:42:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1761 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Correct Simple message style Show Nick CSS for context messages
10:43:23 <aleth> flo-retina: I think it makes the URLs harder to read, plus it's incorrect: the nick is not really being mentioned.
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11:01:15 <flo-retina> aleth: right, it's not really a nick that's mentioned, but it's less annoying than say smileys, as the text is still shown :)
11:01:51 <aleth> Yes, the smiley case is even worse :(
11:01:57 <flo-retina> hmm, I'm not op, and NickServ told me "This nick is owned by someone else. Please choose another."
11:02:07 <flo-retina> aleth: haven't we fixed the smiley case already?
11:02:15 <aleth> Maybe we did, I haven't seen it in a while
11:02:30 <aleth> I thought it was part of clokep's smiley detection WIP
11:03:14 <flo-retina> there's some code at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/modules/imSmileys.jsm#147 that seems related
11:04:52 <flo-retina> isn't there something more efficient than .className.indexOf != -1 ?
11:07:17 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2048 on bug 1751.
11:07:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1751 min, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, No feedback when the /nick command fails
11:07:42 <flo-retina> aleth: are you preparing a patch for bug 1761? Is it 1.3-wanted?
11:07:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1761 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Correct Simple message style Show Nick CSS for context messages
11:08:15 <aleth> I'm not preparing a patch right this moment, & it would be nice to have, but it's a detail
11:08:42 <aleth> flo-retina: use classList?
11:09:36 <flo-retina> aleth: I asked because you seemed to care about context message theming in all message themes for 1.2 and then early-1.3 ;)
11:10:33 <aleth> That's probably why I noticed... At the time I cared becauee context messages were just broken without it ;)
11:11:47 <Mic> '"even" shouldn't be highlighted.'
11:13:03 <Mic> I agree with that, but I guess I don't agree with almost any other nick being mentioned and not being matched because of mismatched case
11:13:50 <aleth> mic: I think/hope we are more generous for pings (right? this message should test it) 
11:14:32 <Mic> Aleth: guess what it looks like
11:14:50 <aleth> It works :)
11:15:30 <aleth> (I suppose the reasoning there is you don't want to miss being pinged, but you don't want excessive nick highlighting either)
11:16:03 <Mic> Define "works"? For me it didn't. The message was printed in bold but my mentioned nick wasn't highlighted
11:16:27 <aleth> It was recognized as a ping (hence the boldness)
11:16:33 <Mic> In how many cases a nick collides with a word being mentioned on a channel?
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11:17:21 <aleth> Mic: I think I'd probably be happy either way (show nick case sensitive or not)
11:18:21 <flo-retina> Mic: if you took the time to specify a case for your nick, then if a different case is used in a message, it's not your nick.
11:18:32 <flo-retina> and I would be very happy to not be pinged for "FLO" by the way.
11:18:34 <Mic> You're right, Flo
11:18:35 <Mic> :P
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11:19:28 <flo-retina> Mic: "Florian" is my first name, "florian" is one of the nicks I use. I don't think they are the same.
11:19:31 <clokep> Yay, show nick. :)
11:19:46 <flo-retina> clokep: good morning :)
11:19:54 <flo-retina> clokep: happy Show Nick bikeshedding session.
11:20:21 <flo-retina> aleth: is there a bug on file for the IRC auth not working on reconnects?
11:21:32 <clokep> flo-retina, aleth: One of my first patches checked in was about not detecting smileys in URLs.
11:21:51 <flo-retina> clokep: really?
11:23:03 <Mic> flo-retina: I'm not saying that there are sort of unfortunate exceptions but when you look at the majority of nicks its save to say that a mismatching case is does mean that someone shouldn't be highlighted.
11:23:29 <flo-retina> I think I won't agree with that.
11:23:53 <clokep> There's lots of negatives in there...
11:24:13 <clokep> flo-retina: bug 207
11:24:13 <flo-retina> If you want to match typos, when Miv should highlight your nick too :-P.
11:24:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207 min, --, 0.3a1, clokep, RESO FIXED, URLs should not contain Smileys
11:24:50 <Mic> Sorry, I've certainly no time for arguing against such non-sense
11:24:54 <flo-retina> clokep: the oldest I can find from you with "hg log |grep -C 5 --color loke |tail -n 10" is bug 499
11:24:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=499 nor, --, 0.3a1, clokep, RESO FIXED, Participants is "undefined" on trunk
11:25:14 <clokep> flo-retina: I did say "one of my first", not my "first". ;)
11:25:20 <flo-retina> clokep: ok :)
11:25:37 <clokep> Mic: I agree that it seems it should match how we decide if someone was pinged or not.
11:26:22 <flo-retina> clokep: that will be difficult, as there are bugs in the ping detection that almost became features :-/.
11:26:44 <flo-retina> if you type "flo-retina:" and "flo" is connected it will ping both "flo-retina" and "flo" for example.
11:29:44 <clokep> aleth: "I somehow assumed both nicks were coming from the server in this case, but it's not necessarily true." I'm not even sure I would assume they'd both be that same case there. :-D
11:30:07 <clokep> flo-retina: It's possible we would be able to tell information like that without relying on bugs in the ping code. ;)
11:30:25 <flo-retina> clokep: that would be nice
11:30:56 <flo-retina> although I suspect we will have to fix the re-auth after re-connect case before attempting to make that work ;).
11:31:07 <flo-retina> do you have any idea of what's going wrong there btw?
11:33:25 <clokep> Yes.
11:33:34 <clokep> We don't delete isAuthenticated when disconnected.
11:33:45 <flo-retina> ah, so it's a trivial fix? :)
11:33:48 <clokep> So we're not going to resend the identify command.
11:34:01 * clokep doesn't have a tree right now. :(
11:34:36 <clokep> I would say right below these lines: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/irc.js#1120 add delete this.isAuthenticated;
11:36:34 <flo-retina> that's probably the first good news of the day :)
11:36:39 * flo-retina is tired.
11:38:07 <clokep> Hmm....actually, is that method called during reconnect?
11:41:10 <clokep> One of th ecomments seems to reply it is.
11:41:23 * clokep wonders if maybe aleth or Mic could test adding that line and put up a patch for review? :)
11:42:38 <flo-retina> uh, the Bubble nick highlights are ugly with italic font :(
11:42:51 <flo-retina> it's surprising how many details go unnoticed when we know it's "just an add-on"
11:47:56 * Mic used the look without background and border before. I'm not a friend of the pill-style
11:48:23 <clokep> flo-retina: Luckily if we don't like how it looks before 1.3, we can pref it off?
11:49:16 <Mic> My unread ruler refuses to go away :(
11:49:27 <Mic> Ah, now it does..
11:50:39 <flo-retina> clokep: I haven't seen anything bad enough to justify preff'ing it off at this point.
11:50:46 <flo-retina> clokep: we are just discussing several edge cases :)
11:50:56 <clokep> Yes, just saying it's how we should land things! :-D
11:51:04 <flo-retina> :)
11:53:10 <flo-retina> we should also land things with unit tests :-[
12:01:12 <clokep> Yeah...
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12:58:56 <clokep_work> Are nicks styled differently for system messages at all?
12:59:33 <Mic> clokep_work: I see the general idea of how you want to fix bug 1511 but I've difficulties interpretating https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1511#c17
12:59:37 <instantbot> Bug 1511 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Possible to add duplicate accounts
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13:00:18 <flo-retina> clokep_work: no
13:00:28 <clokep_work> Mic: Give me a moment please.
13:00:33 <Mic> That is, I fail to understand "If we should add the method to jsProtoHelper that iterates over the accounts and takes a comparison function, then have each account call this with the comparison function."
13:00:35 <clokep_work> I'll outline the steps of how I would do it?
13:00:35 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I think they should, but I don't know yet how we could make them look good
13:00:36 <Mic> clokep_work: OK.
13:06:24 <clokep_work> Mic: I replied in the bug.
13:06:27 <clokep_work> flo-retina: OK. :)
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13:19:36 <clokep_work> Is this the expected thing to happen? http://i.imgur.com/bZL64.png
13:19:56 <clokep_work> I'd expect Fallen|away to be highlighted instead of just "Fallen" in both.
13:20:42 <Mic> Thanks
13:22:14 <flo-retina> clokep_work: if you restored the conversation from hold, it's "expected" (in the sense that I know why it does that and I don't see how we could make it behave differently)
13:23:07 <flo-retina> it's obviously now what I would expect as a user though :(
13:23:46 <flo-retina> *not
13:25:42 <clokep_work> OK, yes it was restored from hold.
13:25:58 <clokep_work> Not what I expected either, unfortunately.
13:26:35 <flo-retina> clokep_work: the reason is that when you restore from hold, we only have the participant list at the time you restore, there's no way to know the history of the participant list...
13:28:39 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I also commented in bug 1511. Does my comment make any sense?
13:28:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1511 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Possible to add duplicate accounts
13:29:21 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I don't really see how that is much different than the current patch Mic has.
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13:30:29 * flo-retina is confused
13:30:46 <flo-retina> clokep_work: so why does the current patch need to duplicate the accountExists method in IRC?
13:32:16 <flo-retina> I was just suggesting a way to remove the code duplication (I was assuming the duplication was what annoyed you in the current patch), without doing more changes (the easiest it is for Mic to update the patch, the better, right? :)).
13:35:08 <Mic> I'll need to have a look later but from what I've understood, I like flo-retina's suggestion better.
13:35:24 <Mic> bbl
13:36:13 <flo-retina> It's possible are all confused :-S. I'm quite tired after the fight against bingbot and our build system's brokenness this night, so I may misunderstand things easily :-(
13:36:23 <flo-retina> *possible we are all
13:36:30 <flo-retina> or confusing each other
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13:40:31 <clokep_work> flo-retina: That was one of my goals, my other goal was that I found the current architecture very confusing.
13:40:41 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I would be fine with your suggestion though.
13:42:42 <flo-retina> ok.
13:44:36 <flo-retina> "Instead of having a magically named function on the account do something." would you prefer if we added the accountEquals function to the prplIAccount interface? (I'm not sure how much work it would be to implement it for purpleAccount)
13:45:13 <clokep_work> Hmm...yes, maybe.
13:46:00 <clokep_work> Then the iteration code could be moved somewhere else entirely, I think.
13:46:00 <flo-retina> what feels the most wrong to me in all of this is the "Services.accounts.getAccounts()" from inside prpl code.
13:46:33 <flo-retina> if we have a need to iterate over all accounts (and not just accounts of the prpl), it should be done at the accounts service level
13:47:26 <flo-retina> so the way I had in mind was that each prplIProtocol instance would keep an array of all accounts of the prpl that have been instantiated, and that the accountExists code would loop over that array, instead of calling Services.accounts
13:47:51 <flo-retina> that would keep a better isolation between what's core and what's at the prpl level
13:48:38 <flo-retina> but I didn't want to r- the patch for that, because it's a mostly theoretical concern, I can't point to something calling Services.accounts from inside the prpl code would actually break.
13:49:33 <clokep_work> Right, I feel like it should be done in the Service level with a comparison function instead of having everything iterate over the accounts themselves.
13:50:06 <clokep_work> But I'd also like that patch fixed soon. :(
13:50:17 <flo-retina> Exactly. "It should."
13:50:45 <flo-retina> But fixing this even with an imperfect solution is IMHO much better than keeping the current bug (that has the potential for causing corrupted profiles)
13:51:23 <flo-retina> so my r- in that bug is based on: 1. Gtalk is mis-handled. 2. Code duplication.
13:51:40 <flo-retina> Not the "that would better be in the service" feeling
13:53:13 <flo-retina> clokep_work: isn't the "accountEquals" method I'm suggesting matching your definition of "a comparison function"?
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13:57:35 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Yes.
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14:11:09 <clokep_work> Btw, I'm not sure if I'm going to have time to do anymore patches for 1.3. :( I'll try to finish our my review queue though.
14:11:19 <clokep_work> (And start on the release ntoes.)
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15:21:00 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2049 on bug 1761.
15:21:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1761 min, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Correct Simple message style Show Nick CSS for context messages
15:23:35 <flo-retina> aleth: do we really need a descendant selector here?
15:24:58 <flo-retina> hmm, to catch nicks in links maybe :-S. and there's the span automatically added by the message theme system for magic copy
15:25:36 <flo-retina> any suggestion for a way to fix the status context message issue?
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15:47:36 <aleth> flo-retina: Yes, we can't assume that the nick node is a child (I had a descendant selector first), also eg. for bold text
15:52:42 <aleth> flo-retina: Add support for a status-context.html file in message styles, or add code to search for the .event when using status.html and add .context "by hand" when appropriate
15:52:58 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2050 on bug 1608.
15:53:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1608 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Replace "buddy" with "contact" in user-facing strings
15:54:31 <Mic> clokep_work: I can say that mq is nice, now that I've read a tutorial and used it for a few things :)
15:54:40 <Mic> At least it is what I was looking for :)
15:54:55 <flo-retina> :)
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16:12:37 <aleth> flo-retina: I suspect the former would be more consistent with what we have
16:15:22 <clokep_work> Mic: Yes, mq is mostly nice! Some of the syntax is...unexpected.
16:17:08 <FeuerFliege> is there more than qnew, qref, qpop and qpush?
16:18:31 <clokep_work> Yes.
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16:19:04 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1762 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
16:19:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1762 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, 451 need not imply server does not support CAP
16:22:05 <Mic> bye
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16:23:47 <aleth> clokep_work: It's possible that bug should be 1.3-blocking :-/
16:24:43 <clokep_work> aleth: I'm not really sure why we care about that situation it was always unhandled, no?
16:24:58 <aleth> clokep_work: We fail to connect. 
16:25:18 <aleth> Was that really the previous behaviour?
16:25:30 <aleth> If so, we handle it badly (the account manger keeps trying)
16:25:31 <clokep_work> aleth: I don't know.
16:26:06 <flo-retina> putting an HTML video tag in XUL is harder than it seems :(
16:26:13 <aleth> If we don't want to connect when the nick is taken, we should send an error to tell the user what is happening.
16:27:14 <clokep_work> aleth: Don't we automatically choose a different nick in that situation and retry?
16:27:25 <aleth> No. I thought we used to...
16:27:49 <aleth> but now you mentioned it I'm not sure anymore.
16:27:59 <aleth> If we did it is now broken.
16:28:22 * flo-retina wonders if we have a way to pref-off the recent IRC changes in case we discover more similar issues while clokep is offline next week.
16:28:44 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Not really pref off, but you just don't add the CAP and SASL handlers and that should "fix" most of the issues.
16:28:48 <flo-retina> my confidence in the quality of our code always decreases just before releases :(.
16:28:59 <aleth> clokep_work: You'd have to put back PASS :(
16:29:03 <flo-retina> clokep_work: hasn't the PASS command be removed?
16:29:13 <clokep_work> aleth, flo-retina: I did say "most".
16:29:31 <clokep_work> And you wouldn't have to put it back, no. IDENTIFY is in the ircServices file.
16:30:34 <aleth> Probably just as much work as fixing those few bugs in what landed
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16:32:38 <clokep_work> aleth: I don't understand that bug.
16:32:52 <clokep_work> "The CAP implementation assumes 451 means the server does not support CAP, when it can also mean that we failed to login the given nick." Where does it do that?
16:33:46 <aleth> http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/e841a2bb2254#l3.49
16:34:00 <aleth> The "login fails" is really a separate bug.
16:34:27 <aleth> It's just that the STR are the same.
16:34:45 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes....I don't understand at all what the issue is. We get a response from the server 451 that syas CAP is not supported.
16:34:50 <clokep_work> I'm really confused by what you filed. :-S
16:35:04 <clokep_work> The code you pointed to doesn't match the description you gave it at all.
16:36:07 <aleth> It matches the bug description. What *also* happens for the same STR (and is more important) is in comment 1.
16:36:59 <aleth> The fix for the original bug filing is just to improve the error console message, and not in any way serious
16:37:33 <flo-retina> aleth: that bug may be easier to understand if you listed/explained separately what's the expected behavior and what's the current behavior.
16:38:12 <flo-retina> aleth: although I'm not the person who needs to understand the situation, obviously :)
16:38:14 <clokep_work> aleth: The error console result is correct.
16:38:26 <clokep_work> aleth: I'm pretty sure there's an issue with the 433 handler then, not the 451 one.
16:39:05 <aleth> It's not correct, mozilla does support CAP
16:39:07 <aleth> But yeah.
16:39:29 <clokep_work> No it doesn't.
16:39:33 <clokep_work> At least not when we query for it.
16:39:46 <clokep_work> What makes you say it supports CAP? I'd like to see a session capture.
16:39:59 <aleth> Ah, I see why I confused you now.
16:39:59 <aleth> Sorry
16:40:40 <aleth> I misunderstood what was going on.
16:41:12 <clokep_work> Is that bug invalid then?
16:41:53 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 1762 to INVALID.
16:41:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1762 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Login fails if trying to log in with a nick that is already in use
16:42:00 <aleth> I will file a new one.
16:42:13 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2050 on bug 1608.
16:42:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1608 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Replace "buddy" with "contact" in user-facing strings
16:42:25 <clokep_work> Thanks.
16:43:42 <aleth> I was looking at the beginning of a log from freenode and the end of a log from mozilla when scrolling without realizing it
16:44:14 <flo-retina> was that the error console's fault? :)
16:44:49 <aleth> Account-specific error consoles would help ;)
16:45:06 <flo-retina> ok
16:45:09 <flo-retina> we will have that :)
16:45:12 <aleth> :)
16:46:26 <aleth> Though if I had reproduced the whole thing before filing it would have been even better ;)
16:46:55 <aleth> That's the problem when you're really doing something else...
16:47:13 <aleth> cutting corners ;)
16:48:34 <flo-retina> aleth: the point of improving the error console is to make it easier to file usable bug reports when focused on something else / when not knowing anything about the underlying technology :)
16:50:01 <clokep_work> And so we can copy & paste more than one thing at a time? ;)
16:50:24 <flo-retina> so that we can attach/pastebin a whole debug log
16:50:55 <flo-retina> not sure how to anonymize it though :-/.
16:51:28 <flo-retina> btw, is the Monday 6pm weekly status meeting definitely dead? (I still have it in my calendar)
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16:52:49 <clokep_work> It certainly isn't happening today. ;)
16:52:57 <clokep_work> I'd like to have something more regular if possible though.
16:53:26 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1763 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
16:53:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1763 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Failed login when nick already taken results in repeated connection attempts
16:53:49 <flo-retina> I would like to not have a meeting for the sake of having a meeting, but with real things to discuss (I would like to have the impression that the time we spend together moves things forward more efficiently than if we weren't having that meeting).
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16:54:16 <flo-retina> I don't have a clear understanding of the needs
16:54:33 <aleth> Makes more sense to organize the meeting specifically when there is something to be discussed
16:55:16 <flo-retina> aleth: there's very often something to discuss, but we tend to keep the things to discuss for the new time the person is / people are online, and it seems to work well
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16:55:42 <flo-retina> aleth: so I think what needs to be identified are the things that we could do better if we were paying regular attention to them
16:56:40 <flo-retina> a few random example: posting a status update on the blog, looking at the crash reports, ...
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16:59:31 <flo-retina> what about dropping the ForwardProtocolPrototype?
17:00:04 <flo-retina> now that gtalk/facebook are above JS-XMPP, we don't have a single use case for it anymore
17:00:15 <flo-retina> and each time I lxr something in jsProtoHelper I have 2 results, that's annoying
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17:01:57 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1764 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
17:01:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1764 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Drop ForwardProtocolPrototype
17:02:09 <flo-retina> just for discussion, no decision yet :)
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17:18:20 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1765 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
17:18:21 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2051 on bug 1765.
17:18:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1765 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Ensure authentication on reconnect
17:21:53 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1766 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
17:21:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1766 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Automatically authenticate when changing the nick to the account nickname
17:23:10 <aleth> clokep: Bug 1765 is as you suggested, but the fix has to be added gotDisconnected(), not disconnect().
17:23:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1765 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Ensure authentication on reconnect
17:26:46 * flo-retina will really like bug 1766.
17:26:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1766 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Automatically authenticate when changing the nick to the account nickname
17:27:03 <flo-retina> the kind of "always annoyed me, never thought we could do something about it" bugs :)
17:29:08 <flo-retina> btw, my reluctance to not showing nicks in URLs is because I like seeing the color of the nick in messages like "aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2051 on bug 1765."
17:29:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1765 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Ensure authentication on reconnect
17:29:36 <flo-retina> but it's more that we should teach instantbot to use IRC nicks than me really wanting nicks in URLs
17:30:20 <aleth> Yup, we should teach instantbot to substitute nicks for email addresses :)
17:30:34 <aleth> Would be more readable anyway
17:30:44 <flo-retina> I'm afraid instantbot is in perl and I wouldn't want to teach it anything :(
17:31:01 <aleth> If BIO-BMO move ever happens it will need teaching new things anyway :P
17:31:02 <flo-retina> aleth: and would be less attractive for spammers crawling our public IRC logs
17:31:22 <flo-retina> aleth: new things like what? I will just be an URL change, wouldn't it?
17:31:36 <flo-retina> we could even just invite firebot in here
17:31:44 <flo-retina> s/I/It/
17:31:54 <aleth> I thought you'd have to add filtering by module etc
17:32:05 <flo-retina> ah, for "new bugs"?
17:32:12 <aleth> yes
17:32:16 <flo-retina> not sure if that's supported
17:32:36 <flo-retina> I guess we could keep instantbot and make it watch the correct components
17:33:13 * aleth was happy to find the NICK code he wrote was not that crappy after all
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17:49:32 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 2050 on bug 1608.
17:49:33 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested review from the wind for attachment 2053 on bug 1608.
17:49:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1608 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Replace "buddy" with "contact" in user-facing strings
17:50:22 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2053 on bug 1608.
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17:50:58 <Mic> Why does Bugzilla suggest the correct email adress for CC's when you enter a partial one but not for review requests? That's stupid.
17:52:09 <flo-retina> Mic: when I type "aleth" in the review field, it correctly sets the request. So failing to request review from me may be because it matches on the display name rather than the email address, and F euerFliege is also "florian"
17:52:20 <flo-retina> (just a random guess)
17:52:48 <Mic> Maybe that
17:53:11 <flo-retina> would it help if I included [:flo] in the display name? (I have it on BMO)
17:54:38 <flo-retina> Mic: I added [:florian] [:flo] to my "real name" on BIO
17:54:50 <flo-retina> you may now be able to request review by typing :flo (no guarantee though :))
17:56:27 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1767 filed by spiffytech@gmail.com.
17:56:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1767 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, New nightly can't auth with ZNC server
17:57:02 <aleth> bah, bouncers...
17:57:14 <flo-retina> heh, I knew some bouncer were going to be painful without PASS :)
17:57:27 <Mic> Now that highlighting is ugly :D
17:58:08 <flo-retina> Mic: are you tweaking it right now, or do you just dislike the way something was highlighted in instantbot's message?
17:59:11 <Mic> I don't like it (and I'm a bit surprised that the underlining is dark blue, and not the text color
17:59:15 <flo-retina> Mic: another example of why I wouldn't want Show Nick to be case insensitive: when I type "mic" I mean "microphone". If I'm talking to you I write "Mic".
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18:00:53 <flo-retina> and I'm sorry if my replies were unpleasant during our discussion on that topic this morning.
18:01:36 <Mic> Nevermind
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18:11:56 <Mic> bye
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19:02:38 <Optimizer> why is there a witch sitting on a broom ?
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19:03:09 <Mook_as> Optimizer: it's the halloween nightly branding. update and it should change back, IIRC
19:03:35 <Optimizer> :D
19:03:48 <Optimizer> I got to see it today
19:03:56 <Optimizer> I guess a pending update
19:03:57 <Optimizer> ..
19:04:07 <Optimizer> I really do not close IB to let it update :P
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19:35:40 <Mic> clokep_work: is there an IRC extension for user icons btw? I wondered that a while ago...
19:37:25 <clokep_work> Mic: I did tell you to pin gme abou tthat. ;) Yes, there is.
19:37:32 <clokep_work> Sending it via CTCP , I think.
19:37:42 <clokep_work> aleth: Can you use 8 lines of context from now on please? :) THanks.
19:39:11 <clokep_work> (https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=2051&action=diff is pretty unreadable...)
19:40:24 <aleth> clokep_work: I had that set as default :( I wonder what happened to my .gitconfig...
19:40:41 <aleth> Thanks for the heads-up
19:41:26 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied review for attachment 2051 on bug 1765.
19:41:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1765 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Ensure authentication on reconnect
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19:43:41 <clokep_work> No problem.
19:43:48 <aleth> That needs a comment? really?
19:45:01 <aleth> Fair enough...
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19:48:01 <clokep_work> aleth: Maybe not.
19:48:07 <clokep_work> I was on the fence, it seemed weird without one though. :-D
19:48:08 <EionRobb> comment all the things!
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19:51:42 <flo-retina> uh, and advanced option is coming back for the auth? :(
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19:51:54 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Not for auth.
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19:52:45 <Mic> EionRobb: I always thought that we needed an meme-ize addon :D "/allthethings comment all the things" would create the image and post a shortened link to it in the conversation or something like that ;)
19:52:52 <clokep_work> I think it's the most reasonable way to have both a user and server psasword.
19:53:56 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Yeah so I thought you just meant to get rid of the jsProtoHelper stuff, I didn't know you meant everything. :)
19:54:10 <flo-retina> is there anything else?
19:54:22 * clokep_work doesn't know.
19:54:31 <clokep_work> Well regardless, we're in agreement I think! :P
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19:55:11 <flo-retina> ok, let's remove the cruft
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19:57:05 * clokep_work is nervous with the amount we're trying to shove in at the end. :(
19:57:56 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I'm nervous too, especially as we are doing that at a time when we all seem busy with other higher priority things
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19:59:37 <clokep_work> aleth: What bug did I ask you to add more normalize into?
19:59:41 <clokep_work> I think I might have been mistaken...
20:03:31 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2054 on bug 1765.
20:03:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1765 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Ensure authentication on reconnect
20:03:54 <aleth> clokep_work: bug 1751
20:04:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1751 min, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, No feedback when the /nick command fails
20:06:03 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2054 on bug 1765.
20:06:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1765 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Ensure authentication on reconnect
20:10:05 <aleth> Can all CAPs only be used during login? :-/
20:12:12 * aleth is now known as aLeTh
20:12:23 * aLeTh is now known as aleth
20:13:17 <aleth> Seems NickServ is case-insensitive
20:14:03 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes.
20:18:14 <clokep_work> aleth: Does my comment make sense though?
20:18:28 <clokep_work> Changing sense is stlil the nick changing (and we need to ensure we display it).
20:20:56 <aleth> Yes, thanks for chatching that.
20:22:36 <clokep_work> No problem. :)
20:22:46 <clokep_work> Sorry I've been a PITA with reviews and stuff recently, very distracted...
20:22:58 * aleth is now known as aDeV1
20:23:04 * aDeV1 is now known as aleth
20:28:21 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled review?(clokep@gmail.com) for attachment 2048 on bug 1751.
20:28:22 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2055 on bug 1751.
20:28:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1751 min, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, No feedback when the /nick command fails
20:33:08 <clokep_work> aleth: Is aAccount.changeBuddyNick(aAccount._nickname, aAccount._nickname); really what you meant?
20:33:22 <clokep_work> Also nickChanged is still set to true manually...
20:34:00 <aleth> Oh, did I forget to delete that line? 
20:34:44 <clokep_work> Yup!
20:34:56 * aleth distracted too
20:35:15 <aleth> But yes, why wouldn't that be what I meant?
20:37:16 <clokep_work> You're changing the nick to itself, it seems weird. :-/
20:37:34 <aleth> It's just to trigger sending system messages to all relevant conversations
20:38:09 <aleth> The original bug was basically "Want system message!"
20:40:05 <clokep_work> OK.
20:40:38 <aleth> I pondered looping the conversations from tryNick in that case, but it seemed better to handle that case in changeBuddyNick anyway in case it crops up in other circumstances too
20:40:45 <clokep_work> I guess what I'm wondering is if the code in changeBuddyNick is ever expected to be run except when we manually call it like that.
20:41:34 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled review?(clokep@gmail.com) for attachment 2055 on bug 1751.
20:41:35 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2056 on bug 1751.
20:41:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1751 min, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, No feedback when the /nick command fails
20:42:03 <aleth> I can't think of a case, but one might as well have it there.
20:42:58 <clokep_work> OK, that's fine.
20:43:02 <flo-retina> fwiw I don't think bug 1751 is 1.3-wanted (but if the patch turns out to be simple and you all are confident in it, I think we can happily take it), so if you want to make larger changes, it can wait.
20:43:02 <clokep_work> Just wanted to make sure I understood properly. :)
20:44:05 <aleth> TBH I could make an argument either way as well ;) In the end I didn't want to duplicate the "inform all relevant conversations" code in case we ever change that.
20:44:28 <aleth> flo-retina: It's basically simple, but like all IRC things ends up getting messier than you think at first
20:44:46 <flo-retina> aleth: right :-D
20:45:05 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I think the current patch is r+, I'd prefer to wait until after 1.3 unless aleth has strong feelings toward including it in 1.3.
20:45:28 <flo-retina> clokep_work: back to "nervous with the amount we're trying to shove in at the end." 1.3 is the last opportunity for us to release with our old model, like we have been doing for the last year or two. We will need to have a serious discussion after 1.3 about how we want to work next.
20:45:29 <aleth> No such feelings, flo is the only person who has run into this edge case ;)
20:46:22 <flo-retina> and I think "less stressful at release time" is definitely one of the goals we should pursue while thinking about how we want to work next.
20:46:35 <aleth> clokep_work: You're half convincing me I should send the message from tryNextNick
20:46:49 <aleth> clokep_work: That would be safer...
20:46:59 <clokep_work> aleth: Feel free to sleep on it and decide.
20:47:03 <aleth> Though I don't see any problems either way.
20:47:32 <aleth> It's just that if the code is confusing as is it may be better to do it that way
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20:47:47 * flo-retina has been hating release times almost since the beginning (well, 0.1 was exciting. The other releases have all been stressful, with 0.2 being the worst. I think the situation has improved significantly since 0.2 time :))
20:48:01 * aleth is really liking the left nick highlighting :)
20:48:26 <flo-retina> aleth: me too!
20:48:48 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Yes, reduced stress would be nice. :) Some of that includes increased unit tests, I think.
20:49:02 <flo-retina> that's the only real improvement compared to the add-on we used to have (except for people using Dark that may see more improvements)
20:49:12 <flo-retina> clokep_work: sure;
20:49:20 <flo-retina> clokep_work: and maybe also a beta period
20:49:40 <flo-retina> clokep_work: and knowing in advance that the next release isn't too far away, so missing a release to get something more polished isn't a big deal
20:50:10 <clokep_work> Riding the train? ;)
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20:50:35 <flo-retina> heh :)
20:51:08 <flo-retina> "missing a release to get something more polished isn't a big deal" actually, missing a release to delay landing until unit test exists could even be considered ;)
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20:53:50 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled review?(clokep@gmail.com) for attachment 2056 on bug 1751.
20:53:51 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2057 on bug 1751.
20:53:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1751 min, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, No feedback when the /nick command fails
20:58:33 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1768 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
20:58:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1768 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add user icon support on IRC
20:59:06 <flo-retina> "The nickname you tried to change to is still in use." isn't that string difficult to read? Are we sure "still in use" is always accurate? (can't we fail to get a nick for other reasons, like because it's reserved for some reason...?)
21:00:19 <flo-retina> What about: <new nick> is not currently available, your nick remains <old nick>.
21:00:34 <flo-retina> or do we not have access to the nick we tried to use at the point we write the message?
21:00:38 <aleth> We don't remember <new nick> at that point
21:01:10 <aleth> "This nick is not currently available, your nick remains <old nick>." if you prefer?
21:01:53 <flo-retina> I prefer, but check with clokep :)
21:01:58 <clokep_work> "Could not change your nickname, your nick remains <old nick>."?
21:02:02 * flo-retina isn't a native English speaker, that working may be odd
21:02:16 <Mook_as> can we change to remember <new nick>? :)
21:02:23 <clokep_work> "Could not change your nickname to the specified nickname, your nick remains <old nick>."
21:02:30 <clokep_work> Or just remember new nick, as Mook_as suggests.
21:03:58 * aleth is against remembering the new nick, its completely unnecessary.
21:04:14 <aleth> People who are called nick1 know that they tried to change to nick.
21:04:26 * Mook_as thinks having the new nick makes for better UI
21:04:34 <Mook_as> (I'm assuming this will be shared with /nick foo)
21:04:55 * aleth suspects Mook_as hasn't noticed how rare this edge case is
21:05:15 <Mook_as> yeah, I just ignore my nick ;)
21:05:56 <clokep_work> Mic: Enjoy the reading.
21:06:19 <Mic> Oh, no - you responded already? ;)
21:07:41 * flo-retina is afraid he has opened the bikeshedding pandora box :(
21:08:41 <Mook_as> oh, as always, feel free to ignore me - I don't mind that :)
21:08:47 <Mook_as> (also, food.)
21:09:15 * clokep_work wants food. :(
21:09:34 * flo-retina is in front of a large spaghetti plate
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21:32:21 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2058 on bug 1751.
21:32:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1751 min, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, No feedback when the /nick command fails
21:40:47 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1769 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
21:40:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1769 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make names of protocols localizable
21:46:13 * flo-retina dislikes that.
21:46:34 <flo-retina> it does make sense for the "Google Talk" case, and maybe the 2 Russian networks too
21:46:49 <Mook_as> and possibly "facebook"
21:47:19 <flo-retina> Mook_as: is that translated?
21:47:34 <flo-retina> It's probably really for the IRC and XMPP cases that I dislike it actually.
21:47:49 <Mook_as> in Chinese, sometimes; not, I believe, in most Latin-based things.
21:48:12 <Mook_as> (however, since I don't have an account, I can't actually check.)
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21:52:45 <Mic> I would have never expected that the "Facebook Chat" name could be wrong for sv-SE, so I decided to leave this to the localizers in general (i.e. make everything localizable).
21:53:15 <EionRobb> what does "Facebook Chat" translate too?
21:53:37 <flo-retina> Mic: the "Chat" word can relatively obviously need a translation.
21:54:12 <flo-retina> I really don't see any reason to translate protocol (as opposed to network) names.
21:54:33 <flo-retina> and IRC/XMPP aren't likely going to be exposed in the top protocols for any locales
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21:56:09 <flo-retina> http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A2%D9%8A_%D8%A2%D8%B1_%D8%B3%D9%8A seems to "translate" it :-S
21:56:58 <flo-retina> hmm, maybe if there are locales for which the latin alphabet is never used
22:18:51 <Mic> Good night
22:19:43 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2053 on bug 1608.
22:19:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1608 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Replace "buddy" with "contact" in user-facing strings
22:21:52 <flo-retina> Mic: Good night :)
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22:23:20 <flo-retina> aleth: the only way to notice the difference between content and context messages on Simple on my screen is to know the difference exists, and to specifically look for it.
22:24:50 <flo-retina> well, I'm maybe exaggerating a little bit; but it's hard to notice
22:27:06 <aleth> flo-retina: That's why I'm not super motivated to file a bug about context status messages ;)
22:27:21 <flo-retina> ok :)
22:28:06 <flo-retina> aleth: isn't this what you meant: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/96505 rather than duplicating?
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22:29:04 <aleth> That's better. I had it duplicated originally because I thought it might need important!
22:29:23 <flo-retina> am I the only one annoyed that selecting an account using the up/down arrow in the account manager sometimes loses the focus?
22:30:00 <aleth> I never noticed that :-/
22:30:19 <aleth> I'm surprised it hasn't been filed as an a11y bug if nothing else
22:31:02 <flo-retina> I'm almost sure the problem is the same that we had when working on the accessibility of the status area
22:31:38 <flo-retina> when a focused XBL binding detached, the focus isn't anywhere in the document until we set it explicitly
22:32:17 <aleth> And when the binding gets changed back again, its order in the tab chain can change in odd ways sometimes
22:32:28 <flo-retina> I remember struggling with that account manager focus bug and never finding the solution back at the time I worked on focusing buttons automatically on the selected account
22:33:02 <flo-retina> but now that we know what the problem is, we could fix it :)
22:33:19 <aleth> We should...
22:33:29 <aleth> probably after fixing the account.xml bug though ;)
22:34:27 <flo-retina> you filed so many unrelated bugs today and attached so many patches that I can't believe you don't have time for that account.xml bug :-P
22:35:25 <aleth> That was all little nit stuff which did add up to too much time in the end :/
22:35:52 <flo-retina> I saw that yes
22:36:12 <aleth> Plus existing patches of mine that have strings :S
22:36:54 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2049 on bug 1761.
22:36:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1761 min, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Correct Simple message style Show Nick CSS for context messages
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22:37:53 <flo-retina> it's sad that I'm spending all my available Ib time doing review and check-ins.
22:38:03 <flo-retina> I still haven't looked at the twitter bug at all :-/
22:38:18 <flo-retina> at this point I suspect there's no hope of looking at it before we are string frozen
22:38:26 <aleth> :(
22:38:36 <aleth> At least it probably doesn't require strings...
22:38:52 <flo-retina> I sure hope so!
22:39:01 <aleth> Yeah, who knows where it may lead ;)
22:40:48 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 2036 on bug 1742.
22:40:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1742 nor, --, 1.3, unghost, REOP, Add Odnoklassniki protocol
22:42:19 <EionRobb> "Odnoklassniki"?
22:43:09 <flo-retina> EionRobb: our Russian translator thinks it's a very popular XMPP service in Russia that's worth making more visible.
22:47:08 <EionRobb> ah ok
22:47:11 <EionRobb> interesting idea
22:56:20 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2046 on bug 1759.
22:56:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1759 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Make purple_timeout_add(0, callback); work on all OSes as a thread synchronization mechanism (used t
22:58:06 <EionRobb> ooh
22:58:40 <flo-retina> EionRobb: you expected r-?
22:58:59 <EionRobb> I expect nothing :)
22:59:07 <EionRobb> just happy to see changes :)
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23:12:08 <flo-retina> EionRobb: btw, do you know if the sametime part of bug 1730 has been fixed in Pidgin's repository?
23:12:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1730 blo, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Fix compilation of purple/ with glib 2.32 and newer
23:12:59 <EionRobb> I believe so, but my memory can sometimes decieve me
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23:16:36 <flo-retina> EionRobb: ah, no, libpurple doesn't include meanwhile, it's considered a dependency rather than something statically linked
23:17:30 <EionRobb> oright
23:17:43 <EionRobb> yeah libpurple fixed the sametime prpl but didn't touch meanwhile
23:17:52 <EionRobb> silly memory making me forget that
23:18:53 <flo-retina> do you happen to know where the upstream meanwhile lives?
23:18:59 * flo-retina will google it
23:21:46 <flo-retina> the only thing I find is a CVS repository that hasn't been touched in the last 6 years or so :(
23:31:58 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2060 on bug 1730.
23:32:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1730 blo, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Fix compilation of purple/ with glib 2.32 and newer
23:32:20 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/a9b29651dcf2 - Florian Quèze - Bug 1610 - Display a correct error message in the conversation when receiving a message type=error stanza, r=clokep.
23:32:21 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/baba3c99e424 - Alexander L. Slovesnik - Bug 1742 - Add Odnoklassniki protocol - follow-up to workaround the lack of DNS SRV support in JS-XMPP, r=clokep.
23:32:22 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/cff4815bedf2 - Gabriele Giacone - Bug 1759 - Make purple_timeout_add(0, callback); work on all OSes as a thread synchronization mechanism (used to be only on Windows), r=fqueze.
23:32:23 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/bcad6a53ba9b - aleth - Bug 1723 - Unhandled IRC message 328: RPL_CHANNEL_URL, r=clokep.
23:32:24 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/618fec800175 - aleth - Bug 1761 - Correct Simple message style Show Nick CSS for context messages, r=fqueze.
23:32:25 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/0cb3c145197f - aleth - Bug 1765 - Fix IRC authentication on reconnect, r=clokep.
23:32:26 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/c9b8760d1045 - Benedikt Pfeifer - Bug 1608 - Replace "buddy" with "contact" in user-facing strings, r=fqueze
23:38:44 <instantbot> New Core - Debug bug 1770 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
23:38:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1770 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add unit tests for initLogModule and the DEBUG/LOG/WARN/ERROR functions
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23:39:46 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1754 to FIXED.
23:39:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1754 nor, --, 1.3, florian, RESO FIXED, No location information for messages logged from imXPCOMUtils
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23:55:10 <flo-retina> Good night :)
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