#instantbird log on 10 26 2012

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02:00:37 <instant-buildbot> build #302 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/302
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02:35:04 <instant-buildbot> build #666 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/666
02:35:20 <clokep> Uhoh...build 666...
02:36:02 <Mook> but it _is_ a success
02:36:07 <clokep> Yes. :)
02:36:15 <clokep> I don't care about the Linux build though. ;)
02:36:58 <EionRobb> because Linux is evil?
02:37:20 <clokep> Mostly.
02:46:24 * clokep wonders if Mook ever got a real MSVC installed...
02:46:58 <Mook> I can keep trying! eventually I'll have a demo version of every single msvc ever released!
02:47:19 <Mook> (and then find out it's broken because my disk is bad, or something)
02:54:47 <clokep> Hahah.
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06:26:28 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/5b0db93ecc3f - aleth - Bug 1697 - Update /mode command syntax, r=clokep.
06:26:29 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ed95a5461d31 - aleth - Bug 1470 - Reply to tweet only auto-fills the first (of possibly multiple) nicks, r=clokep,fqueze.
06:26:30 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/0b9a66047bcb - aleth - Bug 1726 - Part and join system messages are asymmetric, r=clokep.
06:42:17 <instant-buildbot> build #333 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/333
06:49:37 <instant-buildbot> build #662 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/662
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10:19:57 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1697 to FIXED.
10:20:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1697 tri, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Update /mode command syntax
10:20:48 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1470 to FIXED.
10:20:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1470 nor, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Reply to tweet only auto-fills the first (of possibly multiple) nicks
10:21:28 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1726 to FIXED.
10:21:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1726 min, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Part and join system messages are asymmetric
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10:27:42 <clokep> Yay, the found patch works well. :)
10:30:56 <FeuerFliege> HI
10:36:14 <clokep> Hello.
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14:04:39 <flo-retina> if the lufthansa flash crap for only check-in could avoid ignoring 2/3 of my clicks, freezing, and requesting passport info again (is it really likely to have changed since Monday?) I could almost forgive that it's in flash.
14:08:05 <flo-retina> also if it could avoid expecting that people don't have a popup blocker, that would be nice too
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14:42:33 <Mic> Check-ins and no new nightly. Meh :(
14:43:00 <Mic> Couldn't it please fail when there were no check-ins instead? ;)
14:43:04 <meh> I know, I know, it's my fault but let's not make a big deal out of it
15:01:26 <flo-retina> Mic: it's because the nightlies start too early for this timezone, and the check-ins happened after the nightly started
15:02:43 <Mic> Ah, wrong column, indeed.
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15:02:53 <Mic> The oncommit build failed, not the nightly.
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16:16:01 <aleth> clokep_work: Sorry I haven't had a chance to look at SASL yet.
16:18:21 <aleth> Naive question: if we always send a password with PASS first, what is SASL good for in practice? Are there servers that accept only SASL for Nickserv?
16:20:50 <aleth> (You mentioned freenode, but that seems to work fine with PASS)
16:23:52 <aleth> Hmm... if I understand correctly, it seems freenode may require SASL if you login from certain IPs?
16:27:15 <aleth> (My concern is that googling seems to suggest the benefit of SASL is that your password is transmitted encrypted... but if we already send it via PASS... anyway that doesn't make much sense to me unless one is not using SSL)
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16:31:51 <aleth> Elaborate... http://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Configuring_SASL_authentication
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17:09:23 <clokep_work> 12:23:53 PM - aleth: Hmm... if I understand correctly, it seems freenode may require SASL if you login from certain IPs?
17:09:26 <clokep_work> bing ^
17:09:28 <clokep_work> *bingo
17:11:40 <clokep_work> aleth: We could not send the password and try to use SASL...but then servers like moznet (that don't support SASL) won't let you login automatically.
17:12:38 <clokep_work> I'd rather not ask users to choose how to authenticate, but it looks like we need to. :-/
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17:13:06 <aleth> Right, thanks. Just wanted to make sure I understood what it was for...
17:13:18 <flo-retina> so growl support is coming back (!) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=805837
17:13:36 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I'm not surprised.
17:13:53 <clokep_work> flo-retina: You think they'll add it back for comm-central too?
17:13:58 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I'm surprised it's coming back from the same person who removed it ;)
17:14:14 <flo-retina> it's not on -central, only on -aurora
17:14:26 <flo-retina> but yes, I think we can back out my patch from comm-aurora :-D
17:14:53 <flo-retina> or maybe we don't care if Tb18 isn't going to be released anyway
17:15:54 <dew> I need to read up on the release schedule for thunderbird :/
17:16:29 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes, it is more secure. Idk what to do about it. I'd really like to auto-authenticate...:(
17:16:34 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Are you enjoying your flag icon?
17:17:12 <flo-retina> clokep_work: it doesn't make a big difference for me. It's not really like I could forget I created this channel :)
17:19:04 * clokep_work likes it.
17:19:55 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I may discover who founder other channels though :)
17:20:07 <flo-retina> *founded
17:20:37 <clokep_work> I've only seen it on this channel and one other that I made...
17:21:07 <flo-retina> jb should have it in #WebRTC-Apps.
17:21:27 <clokep_work> flo-retina: So....the mode is only set properly if they join /after/ you do.
17:21:39 <flo-retina> clokep_work: really? :(
17:21:43 <clokep_work> I'm hoping that implementing NAMESX will fix that.
17:22:15 <flo-retina> another obscure IRC spec?
17:30:30 <clokep_work> Not so obscure. :)
17:30:31 <clokep_work> But yes.
17:30:42 <clokep_work> It has it so all prefixes are sent whenever someone joins a room.
17:30:56 <clokep_work> So if I had +ov, I would be @+clokep instead of just @clokep.
17:31:03 <clokep_work> So if you take away my op people still now I'm +v.
17:31:10 <clokep_work> I'm /hoping/ that part of that is sending founder flags. :)
17:31:50 <clokep_work> But I haven't checked yet. :-/
17:32:53 <flo-retina> are you really +v in addition to +o?
17:33:03 <clokep_work> No.
17:33:11 <clokep_work> It was an example.
17:33:16 <clokep_work> It's a bug in the protocol. :-/
17:33:27 <flo-retina> you may still be half op though :)
17:33:44 * clokep_work has ben tempted to make Mic +v instead of +h.
17:33:48 <clokep_work> He has all the bugs memorized. :p
17:33:59 <flo-retina> ahah
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17:48:20 <clokep_work> But NAMESX is something I think we should support...it's fairly straight forward, not too much more work and fixes a (somewhat rare?) bug in the protocol.
17:48:25 <clokep_work> So it's certainly on my todo list.
17:48:31 <clokep_work> My ever growing todo list. ;)
17:49:26 * clokep_work wishes that tab completion of channel names worked. :(
17:50:36 <clokep_work> git fetch
17:50:40 <clokep_work> Oops...
17:50:49 <clokep_work> That wasn't my terminal. :-D
17:51:06 <aleth> The perils of using the simple theme... ;)
17:55:02 <clokep_work> The perils of ctrl+tab + immediately typing and pressing enter? ;)
17:55:04 <clokep_work> At least it wasn't my password.
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18:01:24 <dew> I end up typing my git commands in my ide a lot so I feel your pain
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18:18:40 <aleth> Yup, one too few alt-tabs happens quite often to me too...
18:19:22 <aleth> clokep_work: It's a shame there doesn't seem to be a way we can simply start with the most secure auth method and then gracefully degrade :(
18:20:31 <clokep_work> aleth: Right, you don't find out if you can use SASL until after you've sent the PASS command.
18:21:19 <aleth> Yes, great spec design there :(
18:25:13 <clokep_work> I mean you /can/ do it.
18:25:27 <clokep_work> If you pause sending PASS/NICK/USER until you get a response from CAP LS
18:25:31 <clokep_work> But you don't know how long to wait for that.
18:25:40 <clokep_work> And are likely to time out the connection (or just make it stupid long for the user)
18:37:48 <clokep_work> aleth: I'd love a smart way to do this, I just haven't been able to think of one. :(
18:38:11 <clokep_work> If most people implemented SASL I'd say just don't use PASS....
18:39:10 <aleth> Can't think of anything either so far...
18:39:57 <aleth> The only thing I came up with was doing what you suggest the first time connecting to a server. When the connection fails, retry with PASS and set a pref on the account
18:41:25 <clokep_work> Yeah, that does seem to be doable.
18:42:04 <aleth> or can we tell what software the server is running and guess/learn from that?
18:42:40 <clokep_work> No.
18:42:46 <clokep_work> You don't know that until successful connection.
18:43:05 <aleth> Right.
18:45:13 <aleth> OK, so assuming we used a pref, we could unset it if we notice on connection that CAP is suddenly supported on a server (because it got upgraded or something)
18:47:07 <clokep_work> We could possibly do something like that, yes. :-/
18:47:27 <aleth> It's all so hackish :-/
18:54:26 <clokep_work> I concur.
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