#instantbird log on 07 10 2012

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01:09:38 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 1726 on bug 859.
01:09:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=859 min, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Add context menu to 'conv-top'
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02:47:17 <instant-buildbot> build #551 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/551
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04:47:14 <eson57> good morning
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06:59:46 <eson57> I have a translation problem. In .\chat\irc.properties there is this "options.partMessage=Part message" string... I´m not sure I really understand what this "Part message" is, or what it does. There´s also a "Quit message" so I assume there is a difference. Can somebody explain please?
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07:43:02 <Mic> eson57: "part" is when someone leaves a channel but stays on the IRC server and "quit" is when someone leaves the server completely (i.e. disconnects).
07:43:57 <eson57> Thanks Mic  :-)
07:51:13 <Mic> You're welcome
07:51:28 <Mic> Any other question?
07:51:36 <Mic> (I need to leave in about two minutes)
07:55:00 <eson57> nope... thanks, I´m happy  :)
07:55:55 <Mic> bye, then :)
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07:56:02 <eson57> bye
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09:05:14 <flo> hello :)
09:05:50 <flo> (note: I'll probably need most of today to catch up with email/bugmail, so for now assume I haven't read any thing of what you wrote in the past week :))
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09:33:20 <Mic> Hi
09:46:25 <flo> http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/locales-status.html shows (poorly) that cs, de, it, nl, sk, sv-SE and uk seem ready
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10:44:34 <Mic> Your holidays were fine, I hope?
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11:48:50 <clokep_work> Welcome back flo. :)
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11:52:54 <FeuerFliege> flo: Hi, welcome back. I hope you enjoyed your holiday!
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11:55:08 <clokep_work> wnayes: Nice job of writing a Blowfish algorithm yourself. I'm going to look it over a bit. Yours looks a lot cleaner than the previous ones we've seen though. :)
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11:56:24 <clokep_work> Well...let me know when you're online, I have some comments.
11:56:40 <clokep_work> (Unless you want to clean it up first. That's cool too then. ;))
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12:11:54 <flo> Mic, FeuerFliege: yes, the holidays were great :)
12:12:40 <flo> I'm still a bit tired, as I haven't completely recovered yet from the 13 hours I spent home driving yesterday ;)
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12:13:55 <flo> Even told me a few minutes ago that just restarting the master of the buildbot-l10n seems to have fixed the queuing of builds after commits. (the waterfall currently displays "3 pending")
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12:24:53 * flo wonders if instantbot's logs are also full of comments about the changes to Tb's development model
12:25:11 <clokep_work> Not so much.
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15:29:10 <wnayes> flo: Welcome back :) I'm sure you have a lot of things to keep you busy right now, but just a reminder that this week is the GSoC midterm and evaluations.
15:29:30 <flo> wnayes: hello :)
15:29:40 <flo> wnayes: yes, I know about it :).
15:31:09 <clokep_work> wnayes: Good morning. ;)
15:32:44 <wnayes> clokep_work: Good morning :). I tried to take the things I liked best from each blowfish cipher (typed arrays, a method for block encryption/decryption separate from the API methods, etc.) and combine them.
15:33:09 <clokep_work> wnayes: Yes, I think you did a good job overall!
15:33:14 <clokep_work> Does it work? :P
15:34:11 <wnayes> Not yet, hopefully just small issues though (that's why there's a lot of debug in there, probably more to come until I figure out what's going wrong)
15:34:22 <flo> clokep_work: congrats, re your blog added to pmo :)
15:34:58 <clokep_work> It looks like P, S1...S4 want to be getters btw? And can _generateSubkeys just be part of the constructor?
15:35:07 <clokep_work> flo: Thanks, I need to write a blog entry at some point I guess.
15:38:14 <wnayes> clokep_work: Yeah that makes sense, I thought about using getters earlier but must have forgotten. :)
15:39:09 <clokep_work> wnayes: Actually if you only ever use those them with _generateKeys...can't you just initialize _P to that value?
15:39:24 <clokep_work> But get it working first before I start ripping it apart. ;)
15:43:51 <wnayes> I'm not sure if it would be any better to have them up in the constructor, they're nice to hide away at the bottom. But maybe they could not be constants and instead be modified and used throughout.
15:44:08 <clokep_work> I didn't say in the constructor. ;)
15:44:33 <clokep_work> I meant just have _P: [big table] in the prototype.
15:44:44 <clokep_work> And then don't set this._P = this.P, you just start using this._P.
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15:44:51 <clokep_work> So they'd still be hidden at the bottom.
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15:46:02 <clokep_work> Which I guess is what you're agreeing with in the end there.
15:46:54 <wnayes> Yeah, now that I know how the cipher works it makes a lot more sense to do that. :)
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16:02:47 <clokep_work> Yes, understanding the algorithm is important first. :-D Well hopefully you get it working soon!
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16:16:28 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 271 to WONTFIX.
16:16:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271 enh, --, ---, aletheia2, RESO WONTFIX, Hovering items of the all tabs menu should show a more descriptive status text
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17:13:56 <clokep_work> flo: How was the Thunderbird status meeting?
17:14:20 <flo> clokep_work: still ongoing
17:14:59 <clokep_work> People are upset, I'm assuming?
17:15:08 <flo> no :)
17:15:41 <aleth> oh hi flo, welcome back, hope the hols were great :)
17:15:46 <flo> just asking questions about the future, and Jb (with the help of others) does his best to answer
17:17:46 <clokep_work> Ah, OK.
17:19:07 * clokep_work personally isn't excited about B2G at all...
17:20:47 <flo> maybe you can get excited instead about Jetpack, or BrowserId or another similarly hmm... exciting(?:-P)... project? :)
17:21:16 <aleth> I just hope there is more of a plan for desktop-mobile seamlessness than "web apps run on the desktop too" ;)
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17:30:35 * clokep_work wonders if they're going to put any of these Q&As on the status meeting page...
17:30:41 <clokep_work> For those of us who can't dial in. ;)
17:32:20 <flo> I would be surprised if they ended up on the wiki page :-/
17:37:13 <clokep_work> Me too. The whole "taking minutes" thing is kind of a joke from what I can see.
17:39:04 <clokep_work> Btw we can add email addresses to the mailing lists of m.support.instantbird or m.d.chat, but I only have the password for chat so far. :)
17:39:47 <flo> clokep_work: apparently someone took notes, so there's some hope ;)
17:40:33 * clokep_work still isn't very confident. :(
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17:53:37 <clokep_work> Are we still hoping for a release on the 17th?
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18:32:30 * wnayes wishes he could use DataView, but it's in Gecko 15...
18:34:40 <clokep_work> wnayes: What are you trying to do w/ it?
18:34:50 <clokep_work> Switch between different types of buffers?
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18:36:13 <wnayes> I'm having endian issues with switching array types, and DataView's endian boolean in getInt32(), etc. would be helpful :)
18:38:51 <wnayes> I'm guessing this is the fix for now: https://github.com/bwhmather/blowfish.js/blob/master/lib/blowfish.js#L546
18:40:29 <clokep_work> wnayes: Right. :( At least abstract it away so that we can replace it when on Mozilla 15!
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19:15:43 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled review?(clokep@gmail.com) for attachment 1728 on bug 271.
19:15:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271 enh, --, ---, aletheia2, RESO WONTFIX, Hovering items of the all tabs menu should show a more descriptive status text
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19:31:50 <Mic> HI
19:31:53 <Mic> *Hi
19:32:38 <clokep_work> Hello.
19:33:38 <Mic> wnayes: if you like fancy code for swapping variables, you might want to have a look at destructuring assignments: [xL, xR] = [xR, xL]; will do then.
19:34:52 <wnayes> Mic: Neat idea, I figured there was a better way to swap them.
19:35:22 <clokep_work> You'd have to export them to an array as bytes, swap them and recreate it though.
19:35:44 <Mic> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/New_in_JavaScript_1.7#Avoiding_temporary_variables
19:36:10 <clokep_work> I think you misunderstood what I meant.
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19:37:59 <Mic> The link wasn't in response to your comment btw
19:38:32 <Mic> I don't know what happens if you try that with arrays though.. was that what you were talking about?
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19:39:03 <clokep_work> I meant that wnaye s is using a typed array. So it's swapping byte order, not variables.
19:39:07 <clokep_work> If I understood him correctly.
19:39:32 <clokep_work> So you could still do it, but you'd have to look at [a, b, c, d] = [d, c, b, a]; where a-d are the bytes in the typed array.
19:39:32 <wnayes> clokep_work: This trick would be for this swap: http://hg.instantbird.org/users/wnayes/file/8d1f4cdde7dc/chat/importers/aim/blowfish.jsm#l96
19:40:04 <clokep_work> Ah, I didn't realize you had some of that sort. :) Yes, it would work there.
19:40:04 <Mic> Yes, that was were I saw it.
19:40:13 <clokep_work> I thought we were on the discussion from earlier still.
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19:51:26 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1575 to FIXED.
19:51:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1575 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, Blog down
19:55:49 <instantbot> New Core - Twitter bug 1576 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
19:55:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1576 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Twitter] Handle username changes
19:57:58 <flo> oh, all the 1.3 wanted bugs have been filed? :)
19:58:17 <flo> that explains why I have 130+ unread bugmail conversations after reading all the Tb-related bugmail :)
19:58:48 <flo> well, that explains a part of it at least ;)
19:59:05 <aleth> I don't think the existing ones on this list have been marked yet though... https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ib-1-3
20:01:16 <aleth> s/marked/whiteboarded
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20:11:04 <Mic> flo: offtopic but a thing I wondered for a while now: how does one pronounce the name of "Jb"?
20:11:32 <flo> his full name?
20:11:51 <Mic> Just this "Jb"
20:12:14 <flo> jb is a nick for his first name (Jean-Baptiste)
20:12:22 <Mic> d'oh.
20:12:25 <flo> Mic: so we just pronounce each letter
20:12:58 <Mic> OK, thanks. I feel silly now ;)
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20:17:16 <wnayes> clokep_work: I think I realized why the P and S arrays are not just modified in the other cipher implementations, as when I modify them in one encryption the changes carryover to the next (causing errors).
20:17:41 <wnayes> But good news is I'm passing the test vectors :D
20:17:45 <clokep_work> wnayes: But you currently don't reset them in between each encryption. ;)
20:18:01 <aleth> wnayes: :)
20:18:43 <clokep_work> wnayes: Ah you mean if they're part of the prototype, they're shared across all instantiations of that object?
20:18:48 <clokep_work> Yes, that makes sense.
20:19:42 <wnayes> clokep_work: Yes, that's what I'm thinking. I pass the first test and the next fails, but when I comment the first one out the second passes, etc.
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20:20:02 <clokep_work> Yeah, that would do it. :)
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20:20:28 <clokep_work> wnayes: Get it working and we can look at it then. ;)
20:20:47 <clokep_work> flo: A lot of that bugmail is probably the 1.3 list.
20:20:57 <clokep_work> I think the unfiled ones are ones that kind of are meta-ish?
20:21:39 <clokep_work>  / the "longer term goals"
20:21:47 <clokep_work> But we should probably finish filing them. :)
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21:11:25 <aleth> Not sure what exactly the issue(s) are in bug 1572. I suspect bug 53?
21:11:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1572 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, New Gtalk contacts added doesn't show up in Contact list
21:11:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Prompt to add buddy to the buddy list after an authorization request
21:11:40 <aleth> Maybe someone on gtalk could take a look...
21:13:55 <flo> I think the gtalk servers automatically add buddies
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22:43:57 * clokep_linux grumbles.
22:53:25 <aleth> post-holiday blues or forced-to-use-unity blues? ;)
22:54:04 <clokep_linux> Forced use of Unity...and remembering all my passwords, can't someone get Sync working with Instantbird? :P
22:54:18 <clokep_linux> (Running chkdsk on my Windows machine...)
22:56:58 <aleth> ah yeah, that takes a while, as I recall...
22:57:22 <clokep_linux> 89% complete, started about...21 hours ago.
22:57:27 <clokep_linux> I only have a 120 GB hard drive. ;)
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23:02:27 <clokep_linux> aleth: Also my space bar doesn't work well, so very frustrating. ;)
23:03:02 <aleth> Doesn't sound like a good day...
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23:32:59 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1577 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
23:33:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1577 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Infinite scrollback
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23:38:49 <Mook_as> --^ will probably need to break existing message themes, on account of the horrible string replacement?
23:39:20 <clokep_linux> Oh well. ;)
23:40:24 <Mook_as> that just makes it sound like an instantbird2 feature, that's all :) (major version = break backwards compat!)
23:40:58 <clokep_linux> Yeah, possibly.
23:41:06 <clokep_linux> It was in the "longer term goals" section. :)
23:41:34 <Mook_as> oh, I had it in the "make instantbird awesome" bucket :p
23:42:08 <clokep_linux> Those aren't fully separate, Ithink. :)