#instantbird log on 07 07 2012

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03:41:53 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEzNDc
03:44:20 <Mook> ... it might help to actually include context
03:48:23 <DGMurdockIII> not my problem link dosent include hedline
03:49:07 <DGMurdockIII> next think you will want me toy type out the whole artical
03:49:21 <DGMurdockIII> Mozilla To Shaft Thunderbird Next Week
03:49:29 <DGMurdockIII> there no you click on link
03:49:32 <Mook> that's, umm, _exactly_ why context is helpful - if I didn't recognize the domain, for all I know it could be going to goatse or lemon party.
03:49:33 <DGMurdockIII> now*
03:50:36 <DGMurdockIII> how do you know no Phoronix there the #1 plase for linux news 
03:50:39 <DGMurdockIII> Phoronix is a technology website that offers product reviews, Linux distribution screenshots, interviews, and news while maintaining a pure Linux orientation.
03:52:08 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.phoronix-media.com/
03:55:47 <DGMurdockIII> Mook:  you understand that people who use linux i would hope now about this site that why i thougt nothing was neede
03:56:01 <DGMurdockIII> needed*
04:00:39 * Mook was under the impression Phoronix was the go-to place for bad benchmarks and wild spectulation
04:00:59 <DGMurdockIII> no
04:01:08 <DGMurdockIII> lot more than that
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06:07:09 <instant-buildbot> build #542 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/542
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07:31:40 <FeuerFliege> http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/06/so-thats-it-for-thunderbird/
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11:55:38 <Mic> Hi aleth
11:55:52 <Mic> The news about Thunderbird doesn't sound good :(
11:56:35 <aleth> Yeah... I guess flo will know more about what it actually implies in practice
11:56:51 <aleth> At least I hope it doesn't catch him unawares...
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11:59:49 <Mic> I'm glad we're not a Mozilla project ... I rather like my desktop IM client ;)
12:00:28 <aleth> :)
12:00:44 <aleth> Yes, I can't say I was surprised when they saw the announcement.
12:00:49 <aleth> s/they/I
12:01:05 <aleth> I thought it was implicit in what they have been doing anyway
12:02:03 <Mic> I always thought that Thunderbird is lacking support and would need more developers/time/love to make it into a more decent client
12:02:37 <aleth> If there were more devs wanting to work on it there would probably be a different outcome
12:02:47 <aleth> That's my uninformed guess
12:03:04 <Mic> On the other hand, wouldn't it be teh awesomez if everyone could write their own IM client using teh brand new Firefox IM WebAPIz? ;)
12:03:21 <Mic> OK, I must not troll. ;)
12:03:47 <aleth> It shouldn't be either/or really.
12:04:22 <Mic> It seems to be their stance that the web is the platform/future/...
12:05:59 <aleth> For the mobile space, they are not wrong
12:06:21 <aleth> On the desktop, well, it's a matter of opinion... ;)
12:08:14 <Mic> I admit that it's necessary on mobile (and that mainly because some companies think they know what's best for you and lock their platforms down)
12:10:50 <aleth> I suspect "email done right" is just very very hard
12:12:47 <Mic> You mean long term goals for Thunderbird? ("What would we like it to be to be the best client possible?")
12:13:34 <aleth> I suspect it's hard with a mature client and a large existing codebase to really look at it with a fresh eye
12:14:16 <aleth> Plus millions of users who depend on things working the way they are used to...
12:16:36 <Mic> Last time I checked Tb, its UI was a potpourri of colours and design ideas and looked just awful :S
12:17:28 <Mic> That's one thing I meant with "lack of love", not a complete overhaul of functionality (I heard people asking for better calendar/adressbook integration though).
12:18:10 <aleth> Maybe the new australis redesign will help, I don't know
12:19:14 <aleth> As always it'll only improve if someone wants to work on it and not on something else ;)
12:20:46 <aleth> I suspect the success of webmail is a significant part of the reasoning for "the web is the platform"
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12:49:37 <Mic> aleth: would you be interested in reviewing add-ons from time to time? I'm especially thinking of my own add-ons which I can't review myself ;)
12:50:51 <aleth> I'd be happy to review yours
12:51:19 <aleth> Otherwise I should really read the CAP specs and review clokeps patches...
12:52:56 <Mic> Thanks, I'll message flo or Even about it then when they're back.
13:01:07 <Mic> bye
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22:55:35 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm granted feedback for attachment 1731 on bug 1573.
22:55:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1573 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Support SASL for IRC
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