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00:12:07 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 01:13:44 <-- mmkmou has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 01:17:40 <instant-buildbot> build #410 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/410 01:41:18 <-- Mook_as has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 10.0.2/20120215223356]) 01:42:41 <-- Plop1 has quit (Ping timeout) 02:01:27 --> jb has joined #instantbird 02:04:31 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 02:04:31 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 03:12:51 <clokep> I thought they'd work with passwords still....hmm.... 03:12:57 <clokep> I guess I'll need to find a passworded room. 03:19:13 --> Plop has joined #instantbird 03:42:22 --> Mook_ib has joined #instantbird 03:45:48 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 03:47:49 <Mook_ib> you can always create your own passworded channel, right? 03:48:47 <clokep> Yeah probably. 03:50:24 <clokep> I'll try it soon. :) 03:50:39 <Mook> awesome, silent failure to join 03:50:59 <Mook> Unhandled IRC message: :concrete.mozilla.org 475 Mook_ib #instantbird-test :Cannot join channel (+k) 03:52:27 <Mook> though I did manage to join with the right key, so maybe that wasn't what he was asking for 03:52:43 <clokep> Hmmm....weird. 04:00:10 <Mook> fwiw, the channel key is "clokep" :p 04:02:08 <clokep> Mook Thanks. Seemed to work OK for me. 04:02:15 <clokep> We should handle the failed to join message though. 04:02:17 <clokep> Although Idk where. 04:02:27 <Mook> yeah, that's when I didn't supply the key 04:02:45 <clokep> I never know where to put those messages though. :-/ 04:02:50 <Mook> server tab, at least? 04:02:58 <clokep> Maybe. 04:02:59 <Mook> I had it preffed on, and there was still nothing 04:03:14 <clokep> It doesn't really show much after you log on. 04:03:17 <Mook> alternatively, pretend to join anyway, but show the error there 04:03:27 <clokep> Yeah, I kind of like that better. 04:03:37 <Mook> (and don't let the user send anything to the channel) 04:03:39 <clokep> Open the conversation and show a system message "failed to join, key invalid" or something. 04:04:02 <clokep> It could just be marked as not actually being in it. 04:04:25 <Mook> well, you have the message already, "Cannot join channel (+k)" 04:04:47 <clokep> Right, just needs to be displayed. 04:04:50 <clokep> Anyway, goodnight! :) 04:04:52 <-- clokep has quit (Connection reset by peer) 04:09:41 --> danols has joined #instantbird 04:53:32 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 04:54:49 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 05:17:58 --> jb1 has joined #instantbird 05:19:06 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 05:21:17 <instant-buildbot> build #497 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/497 05:27:20 <-- sonny has quit (Client exited) 05:38:36 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 05:38:50 <-- sonny has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 05:46:41 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 06:06:19 <-- sonny has left #instantbird () 06:34:16 <-- Plop has quit (Ping timeout) 06:35:04 --> Plop has joined #instantbird 06:51:12 <instant-buildbot> build #402 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/402 07:19:19 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 07:20:42 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 6.0/20110811165603]) 07:32:41 <-- jb1 has quit (Ping timeout) 07:36:23 <-- Mook_ib has quit (Ping timeout) 07:54:55 <-- Plop has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 08:06:05 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 08:32:32 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 08:44:42 --> jb has joined #instantbird 08:45:55 --> Plop has joined #instantbird 08:47:04 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 08:47:04 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 08:47:10 <-- Mic has quit (Connection reset by peer) 08:47:27 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 08:47:27 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 08:47:49 <Mic> Hi 09:09:34 --> {Mic} has joined #instantbird 09:12:17 <-- {Mic} has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 09:14:34 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 09:23:30 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:23:31 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 09:26:54 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 09:27:30 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 09:27:38 --> Even has joined #instantbird 09:27:38 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 09:27:43 <-- Even has left #instantbird () 09:27:52 --> Even has joined #instantbird 09:27:52 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 09:49:58 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 09:57:47 --> flo has joined #instantbird 09:57:48 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 10:04:26 <flo> clokep, Mook: have you tested both the /join command and the Join Chat dialogs for that password-protected-channels issue? 10:08:00 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 10:08:00 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 10:15:02 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 10:15:14 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 10:15:14 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 10:15:18 --> testtb has joined #instantbird 10:17:18 <Mic> flo: it works with the join chat dialog and it doesn't with /join for me 10:18:14 <-- Tomek has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 10:18:46 <-- testtb has left #instantbird () 10:20:46 <-- Mic has quit (Input/output error) 10:20:49 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:20:49 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 10:21:41 <aleth> Everybody logging in with JS-IRC has username Instantbir. I'm not sure if this is good, and even if it is, do we need it in the tooltip? 10:21:55 <-- Mic has quit (Connection reset by peer) 10:22:01 <aleth> It's a bit confusing to the user 10:22:04 <flo> aleth: what's your question exactly? 10:22:18 <flo> is it more confusing that "chatzilla" "disgby" "adium" "Mibbit"? 10:22:24 <flo> *than 10:22:43 <aleth> What's confusing is that it's called the "username" rather thane "client ID" or something! 10:23:06 <aleth> In the tooltip it's even displayed above the real name (OK, tooltips need work anyway, but...) 10:23:19 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:23:19 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 10:23:38 <flo> ok 10:23:54 <flo> so maybe displaying "Connected from: <username>@<host name>" would be less confusing 10:24:03 <aleth> Yes 10:24:06 <aleth> As a user, I expect my username to be something I have set. 10:24:42 <aleth> especially as hovering over some nicks, I see a username that corresponds to the real name (e.g. GeekShadow atm). 10:24:43 <Mic> Can anyone get any /mode command to work? 10:25:54 <Mic> I tried v (voice), h (halfop), k (=password protect channel) and none worked for my 10:25:59 <Mic> *me 10:26:24 <flo> uh, when sending a private irc message, I have a character count displayed like on twitter. Is it intended? (or more interesting, is that count accurate?) :) 10:27:13 <aleth> Now that's a novel feature :D 10:27:41 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 10:27:43 <aleth> I don't see it at the moment btw. 10:28:09 <flo> aleth: the UI shows it only when there's less than 200 characters left 10:28:29 <aleth> flo: Oh, so it would actually be useful if accurate! 10:28:46 <aleth> Neat, you can have a private IRC conversation with yourself ;) 10:30:24 <Mic> Seems to be off by 37 characters for me. 10:30:28 * Mic is now known as Mic2 10:30:32 <aleth> How do I open the server tab? 10:30:46 * Mic2 is now known as Mic12 10:30:47 <flo> aleth: in the advanced prefs of the account 10:31:07 * Mic12 is now known as Mic 10:31:44 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 10:31:48 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:31:48 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 10:32:46 <aleth> Thanks. 10:40:22 <-- aleth has quit (Input/output error) 10:52:22 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 10:52:22 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 10:55:43 <Mic> Would it make sense to add "Reconnect" as action to system messages like "Your account is disconnected."? 10:56:00 <Mic> Or "Follow again" to unfollow messages for Twitter? 10:56:43 <aleth> "Follow again" seems a bit unnecessary to me. 11:18:05 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 11:18:05 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 11:20:49 <clokep> Mic: The /join command worked for me, I did not try the join menu. 11:21:03 <clokep> What did you do for the command that it didn't work? 11:21:47 <clokep> aleth: IRC usernames don't mean anything, a lot of clients just set them (as flo mentioned), we decided to do the same to simplify account creation. I agree the tooltips need work though. 11:22:03 <clokep> Mic: I know /voice /devoice, /hop, /op work. 11:22:06 <clokep> Or they did last week. :) 11:22:29 <aleth> clokep: Yeah, my complaint was only about the user-facing side of it 11:22:51 <flo> clokep: I think Mic tried to do that using the /mode command directly 11:23:49 <clokep> Yeah it's sending the wrong message. :-/ 11:24:06 <clokep> I think... 11:24:09 <clokep> I need to investigate more. 11:28:51 <-- flo has quit (Input/output error) 11:31:46 --> flo has joined #instantbird 11:31:46 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 11:32:02 <flo> there's still a problem with the offline status when the wifi drops :( 11:32:16 <flo> I had to restart Instantbird to be able to reconnect to XMPP/IRC 11:35:12 <Mic> clokep: I used /mode with the flags, channel name and user name (in the correct order) 11:35:29 <clokep> Mic: It only takes 2 parameters... 11:35:30 <Mic> I was trying to join a password protected channel using /join 11:35:39 <clokep> That worked. 11:38:44 <clokep> It should be /join <channel> <key> 11:38:47 <clokep> Is that what you used? 11:38:50 <Mic> Yes 11:40:47 <clokep> Hmmmm....doy ou have an encoding set? 11:44:05 <Mic> Character set: UTF-8 in the account options 11:44:11 <Mic> So that should be fine, I guess 11:44:19 <clokep> Hmmmm... 11:44:25 <clokep> Was it a real room or wer eyou just testing? 11:45:14 <Mic> I created one with one instance (pre-js-irc, since mode +k didn't work there) and joined with yesterday's nightly 11:45:31 <Mic> So a testing setup, yes 11:47:46 <clokep> Does the room still exist? :P 11:50:00 <clokep> I'll look into it tonight. Thanks for filing a bug 11:53:22 <-- clokep has left #instantbird () 11:56:44 <Mic> I don't have time to file that on BIO now, will do that later if necessary 11:56:44 <Mic> bye 11:56:49 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 12:43:33 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 12:43:33 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 12:44:21 <clokep_work> Mic: Then I don't have time to fix the bug. ;) 12:48:47 <clokep_work> Hmm...I see no reason why /mode wouldn't work. :( 12:48:51 <clokep_work> I'll need to see the generated messages. 13:20:12 <clokep_work> (Btw, if people do see problems. I'd very much appreciate bugs filed, it helps to track the issues...) 14:05:08 <-- sonny has quit (Client exited) 14:06:03 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 14:13:36 --> jb1 has joined #instantbird 14:14:09 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 14:28:50 --> deOmega1 has joined #instantbird 14:28:59 <deOmega1> good morning 14:29:06 <deOmega1> http://browse.deviantart.com/customization/skins/?qh=§ion=&q=instantbird#/d36c1uj 14:29:36 <deOmega1> the comments are interesting on instantbird 15:13:41 <flo> it's the mockup he attached in https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=663 15:13:46 <instantbot> Bug 663 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Implement alerts tab on buddy list for notifications and alerts 15:13:50 <flo> deOmega1: Hello :) 15:15:53 <deOmega1> flo: hi flo 15:16:11 <deOmega1> ha, redundancy there 15:20:21 <deOmega1> regardless of the negative comments, I like the optimism and apparent interest expressed by sabret00the 15:20:32 <deOmega1> is that someone in here or comes in here? 15:20:46 <flo> he used to come here 15:20:52 <flo> at the time he filed that bug 15:21:33 <flo> I think we failed to direct his energy and enthusiasm toward usable work :-/ 15:21:52 <deOmega1> It seems that way from his postings 15:22:26 <flo> it seems he had good photoshop skills (the mockup looked good), but his UI mockups weren't going to be usable (in the usability sense; the user interactions wouldn't have been pleasurable) 15:23:27 <deOmega1> it 'feels' sad.. at least he optimistic 15:23:41 <deOmega1> and i like that he is for the opensource work 15:26:07 <deOmega1> so you are saying he would not be able to make workable skins? Or are you referring to that part of the mockup where he has say the alerts in the contact list 15:27:12 <flo> the alerts tab is in the contact list isn't a good idea, and the proposed look in the mockup is completely wrong (lots of duplicated into (account names, protocol icons), and useful info hard to read) 15:27:39 <flo> he has never been able to explain why he put protocol icons in the conversation tabs (that's wrong too IMHO) 15:28:06 <flo> a string in the tab for the status instead of an icon is wrong too 15:28:36 <flo> the Instantbird button at the top of the contacts window is something we want; and that had been discussed elsewhere before (someone just needs to do it) 15:29:08 <flo> the plain text message theme... uh? He probably copy/pasted that from another client and didn't bother 15:29:10 <deOmega1> ok.. hmm, i thought MIC did that already 15:29:28 <flo> either Mic or Mook had an almost usable prototype at some point 15:29:32 <flo> (for the Instantbird button) 15:29:43 <deOmega1> yeah i remember 15:30:04 <deOmega1> hmm 15:35:48 <clokep_work> It was Mook. 15:36:05 <clokep_work> I think the issue was a lot of changes were made without any real problem they were trying to solve. 15:36:46 <deOmega1> clokep_work: say again please? 15:37:22 <clokep_work> A lot of the bugs filed by sabret00the were "We should do this." instead of "This is a problem, how can we fix it?" They proposed a solution without clearly identifying a problem. 15:37:42 <clokep_work> And unforunately when we tried to get an explanation of the issue it was trying to solve...it wasn't usualy clearly explained. 15:38:05 <flo> I suspect there wasn't any problem in the first place 15:38:22 <flo> or at least it hadn't been identified before opening photoshop 15:38:41 <flo> the mockup were probably created by assembling things seen at various other places / on various other clients 15:38:43 <deOmega1> interesting 15:39:46 <flo> or maybe the problem just is "Instantbird doesn't look as good as it could on Win7 with Aero" and the proposed solution was "let's go shopping" ;) 15:40:02 <flo> shopping for ideas in other clients in this case ^^ 15:40:11 <clokep_work> deOmega1: My point being it was "Let's add an notification tab" instead of "Oh hey, I'd really like to get notification of email, how can I best display that to the user?" 15:40:24 <clokep_work> We had long discussions on IRC about it, but he was firmly set in ideas. :-/ 15:41:11 <deOmega1> I hope that it is just or was ust a matte rof misunderstanding 15:41:47 <deOmega1> this week... 15:42:01 <deOmega1> i went through just about every messenger available for windows 15:42:21 <deOmega1> trying to get a feel for what it seems like i am missing 15:42:48 <deOmega1> my conclusion: 15:43:37 <deOmega1> (And please note that this is just from MY experience) 15:45:05 <deOmega1> there are a whole lot of features available in the others... with a lot of attention paid to alerts and social networking 15:45:35 <deOmega1> They are really, simply put.. rich with features 15:46:22 <deOmega1> Whereas instantbird seems to be missing a lot of features 15:46:41 <deOmega1> we can itemize at a later point if we need to be specific 15:46:46 <deOmega1> anyway 15:47:21 <flo> deOmega1: if you want to make a point that has more impact that "deOmega feels ...", I think you will have to be specific. 15:47:21 <deOmega1> the one thing that came back to me as i keep trying to navigate through these other programs.. is one of the most common comment i see from people that like instantbird 15:47:24 <deOmega1> It is simple 15:47:44 <deOmega1> hang on with me if you can please 15:47:54 <deOmega1> i said at a later point we can itemize 15:48:29 <flo> hmm, where has the resizer of the contact window disappeared? :-S 15:49:28 <deOmega1> a person can install ib and have it running in no time.. just functioning without surprises/heacaches 15:50:07 <deOmega1> I had so many problems trying to use the other messengers (though I haveused them before) that i cannot imagine recommending them to someone that is not technically inclined 15:50:56 <deOmega1> so..... though there are features missing, i think that IB has a pretty darn good foundation in trying to reach an audience that feels the messenger should not be a chore 15:51:49 <deOmega1> So, imo, there is alot to be proud about regarding instantbird 15:52:05 <deOmega1> sorry clokep, what were you wanting now? 15:52:16 <clokep_work> It's definitely part of what we're going for! :) 15:52:44 <clokep_work> It is missing some features, yes. SOme of that is on purpose (as it's perceived by being unused by a majority of the audience), some of it is "eventually". 15:53:07 <flo> (or some are perceived as being just wrong, like the invisible status :)) 15:53:32 <clokep_work> I have friends that complain to me about that one a lot. :-/ 15:53:50 <flo> we should give them an add-on eventually 15:54:04 <deOmega1> Wel, i think that it is important for instantbird to give people options 15:54:22 <deOmega1> BUt after experimenting with others lately 15:55:08 <clokep_work> Maybe. 15:55:15 <deOmega1> I really think that that needs to be controlled as you guys have proposed, because the amount of options in some programs absolutely ridiculous 15:55:34 <deOmega1> quick example... 15:55:35 <clokep_work> Which makes it very difficult to maintain. :-/ 15:55:44 <clokep_work> (I'm not sure if you're saying a lot of options is good or bad btw.) 15:56:02 <deOmega1> a lot of options is bad if it is core 15:56:10 <deOmega1> too confusing 15:56:39 <deOmega1> I was using trillian astra 15:56:59 <deOmega1> and i somehow clicked on a button that minimized the message window for the twitter feed 15:56:59 <clokep_work> Bah there was a good PMO post about options recently but I can't find it. 15:57:17 <deOmega1> I was never able to find the option to restore it to teh way it was 15:57:28 <deOmega1> but i am sure it is there 15:58:46 <deOmega1> But, a lot of people use the invisivle feature. I really despise it *bt that is my personal preference).. but since it seems alot of people use it... then it makes sense to just give it 16:00:00 * flo respectfully disagrees 16:00:20 <deOmega1> ah, please explain. thank you 16:00:32 <flo> "because lots of people smoke, it makes sense to give everybody cigarettes" 16:01:07 <deOmega1> apples and oranges 16:01:17 <deOmega1> actually, apples and rock 16:01:44 <flo> I think the invisible status hurts everybody, not only the people who use it 16:03:28 <deOmega1> So, is it fair to say that because of how you feel about it, you could use IB to make a statement and if someone prefers to use invisible status, they either make an addon or use something else? 16:04:15 <flo> if they want something that we don't feel should be supported by default, they are free to do whatever they want (with the source code, with add-ons, etc...). It's free software ;) 16:04:40 <deOmega1> ok :) 16:05:34 <flo> at some point I wanted to provide an add-on for it, and recommand that the install the "do not disturb" add-on instead; which is much more effective for use cases that don't involve creepy things. 16:06:38 <deOmega1> ok, thats sounds alot more market-friendly 16:07:02 <clokep_work> And it isn't just that flo doesn't agree with it: I also don't, I believe Mic has similar sentiments. 16:07:21 <clokep_work> And it's free OSS, we all volunteer to work on it: if it's a feature we disagree with...we won't work on it. :) 16:07:32 <clokep_work> Except the system tray. :( I still want to kill that. 16:07:35 <flo> everybody who cares about instant messaging in general has a good reason to not like the invisible status 16:07:40 <deOmega1> i realize the latter clokep. 16:07:51 <deOmega1> and realized i said that i also hatethe feature 16:07:58 <clokep_work> I know you do deOmega1! A lot of people don't though. :-/ 16:08:14 <flo> clokep_work: it currently works reliably so we forgot it, but I felt the same way about the Windows installer at the time that you can feel about the systray icon ;) 16:08:17 <clokep_work> (Especially technically declined people.) 16:11:30 <flo> it took me a whole week to figure out how to make that crap work 16:11:55 <deOmega1> I am sorry :( 16:12:41 <deOmega1> I suppose part of my frustration/disappintment is... 16:13:06 <deOmega1> if i were a betting man (lol) i would have bet everything that the addons page would be busy as heck by now 16:13:14 <deOmega1> after the 1.0 launch 16:13:45 <deOmega1> so, i am trying to figure out why is ther eno more activity, why hasn'tthe downloads romped up as i assumed they would 16:13:51 <deOmega1> what is missing? 16:14:56 <flo> marketing 16:15:03 <flo> nobody is talking about us 16:15:06 <flo> not even ourselves 16:16:33 <deOmega1> Will it be able to check emails? 16:17:16 <flo> is that to compete with the dying digsby? 16:17:33 <deOmega1> is that part of the consideration? 16:17:43 <deOmega1> no 16:18:06 <flo> we probably want to say "you have new mail from <contact name>, here's the subject", but not to display the message ourselves 16:18:22 <deOmega1> I have no idea whether digsby is dying or not, but that is a nice feature for people that are hoked on webmail as opposed to a desktop client like i use 16:18:37 <deOmega1> no no, i agree 16:18:43 <deOmega1> do not display message please 16:18:47 <deOmega1> just a notification 16:18:54 <clokep_work> Digsby is dying? 16:19:36 <flo> last time I checked, they no longer release new builds and no longer post on their blog 16:19:59 <flo> (exactly like us, by the way :-P) 16:20:08 <clokep_work> :( 16:20:10 <deOmega1> LOL!!! 16:20:22 <flo> clokep_work: except you posted recently a status update! :) 16:20:23 <clokep_work> My goal for the future is to do two blog posts a month for Instantbird. 16:20:30 <clokep_work> Once a week is too much for me. 16:20:42 <flo> clokep_work: I think the problem is not really the frequency 16:20:47 <clokep_work> Especially as I"ve been playing Halo again. ;) 16:20:56 <clokep_work> flo: I'd like to do more on features instead of status too. 16:20:56 <flo> clokep_work: to blog exciting stuff, we need to be excited about doing it 16:21:09 * clokep_work isn't an exciting person. :P 16:21:18 <flo> blogging boring status updates (that indicate a tone of awesome stuff at once) is boring 16:21:59 <flo> I think we could blog something great about the nick completion, by the way 16:24:21 * deOmega1 looking forward to some exciting feature announcement 16:24:44 <deOmega1> clokep_work: halo? 16:25:53 <deOmega1> not the call of duty stuff? :) 16:27:36 <deOmega1> by teh way, another reason i cannot use the others.. no vertical tabs (that i see anyway) 16:27:44 <deOmega1> wait, pidgin has that 16:31:33 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 16:35:48 <flo> I've got to go. I'll be back during the evening. 16:35:49 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:36:07 <deOmega1> flo: have a great day 16:43:50 <clokep_work> deOmega1: Pidgin ahs them. 16:43:53 <clokep_work> And no, I don't like CoD or BF. 16:44:24 <deOmega1> ok, thanks 16:46:43 <clokep_work> But I hope you're not going to switch to Pidgin! 16:49:28 <deOmega1> No, if i were to switch to anything, it would be trillian, but that is a whole lot of work and absolutely fragmented 16:50:08 <deOmega1> Miranda was really y program of choice 16:50:10 <clokep_work> Plus Trillian is like a cult. ;) 16:50:14 <deOmega1> but headaches also 16:50:18 <clokep_work> I've never actually used Miranda. 16:50:30 <clokep_work> (Nor any of the newer iterations of MSN/WLM) 16:51:00 <deOmega1> wel, part of the problem for miranda is that they are are fine targeting techies 16:51:23 <deOmega1> they have said that out publicly 16:51:48 <deOmega1> so, it is not a good system for the basic person 16:51:50 <clokep_work> That's not necessarily a bad thing, very hard to have programs that everyone likes. 16:52:05 <deOmega1> true 16:59:42 <clokep_work> deOmega1: If you have specific ideas of what you think other programs have that Instantbird is definitely missing, I think we'd like to hear them. As long as there's a reason to having it though, options for options sake is a no-no. :) 16:59:46 * clokep_work is going to eat lunch though. 17:01:25 <deOmega1> ok, thank you 17:01:36 <deOmega1> I will present them before i leave today 17:22:53 <deOmega1> here goes 17:22:55 <deOmega1> http://pastebin.com/x3GHPjJJ 17:24:34 <deOmega1> that is really how short my list is :) 17:25:37 <deOmega1> and it is really just the first one 17:25:59 <deOmega1> email notification is for other users 17:29:01 <deOmega1> better: 17:29:03 <deOmega1> http://pastebin.com/eu5VmkGj 17:29:09 <deOmega1> ignore the previous one 17:32:16 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 17:34:36 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 17:46:41 * jwir3|away is now known as jwir3 17:48:38 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 17:56:13 --> myk1 has joined #instantbird 17:59:59 <clokep_work> deOmega1: "vertical tab size"? Do you mean the width? 18:03:59 <clokep_work> flo: This was just posted in #maildev in respect to BigFiles log-in issues w/ multiple accounts: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/doron/archives/2006/06/creating_sandboxed_http_connec.html 18:04:46 <clokep_work> Although I don't see anything about using that w/ a browser element. :-/ 18:10:07 <deOmega1> clokep_work: yes, the width. 18:10:45 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 18:11:07 <clokep_work> Yeah. I had a lot of trouble w/ that. :( 18:11:19 <clokep_work> You can override it with a userstyle I think though. 18:22:54 <-- myk1 has quit (Ping timeout) 18:24:03 <-- danols has quit (Ping timeout) 18:24:20 --> danols has joined #instantbird 18:24:43 <-- Eveo has left #instantbird () 18:24:49 --> Eveo has joined #instantbird 18:27:23 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 18:28:53 <-- mmkmou has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 18:33:37 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 18:41:25 <aleth> Isn't there an add-on that remembers the status message? 18:41:33 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 18:44:21 <clokep_work> Yes, I forget if it works still. 18:46:49 * jwir3 is now known as jwir3|lunch 18:46:58 <aleth> So hopefully with that and the student working on session restore (if I recall correctly), there should be some good news for deOmega1 ;) 18:51:41 <deOmega1> clokep_work: it no longer works 18:52:03 <deOmega1> i was away 18:52:29 <deOmega1> u can do a userstyle to keep teh width fixed you said clokep? 18:52:50 <aleth> deOmega1: What about it no longer works? Have you tried contacting the author? 18:52:59 <deOmega1> aleth: looking forward to good news :) 18:53:20 <deOmega1> flo asked me that and no, i have not :( 18:53:48 <deOmega1> ihave been chasing down people regarding IB man, and i am tired. The responses are just not what i would like 18:54:11 <deOmega1> even relatives :( 18:55:17 <aleth> What is the main complaint? 18:56:00 <deOmega1> people are comfortable using what they are using and are generally 'too busy' 18:57:52 <aleth> If they are happy with what they have that's fair enough. 19:00:02 <deOmega1> i would have expected patrickjdempsey to update his themes 19:00:10 <deOmega1> he is also too busy 19:01:07 <aleth> It's a shame when useful add-ons die. Maybe somebody else will update them? 19:02:31 <deOmega1> actually, his being too busy was my deduction from a response 19:03:41 <aleth> clokep_work: Do you know the post-reorganization equivalent of Components.classes['@instantbird.org/purple/core;1'] ? 19:03:59 <aleth> chat/core ? 19:07:42 <aleth> Ah, ignore that. 19:10:37 <clokep_work> deOmega1: You should be able to. I can look up how to do it later. 19:10:39 * clokep_work is _work. 19:13:09 <-- jb1 has quit (Ping timeout) 19:19:59 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 19:21:04 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:21:17 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 19:21:29 --> gandhi2 has joined #instantbird 19:22:17 <deOmega1> Thank you but no, do not worry about it, i will try myself :). You have your hands full. 19:27:01 <-- aleth has quit (Input/output error) 19:30:23 <deOmega1> have a great evening. heading out 19:30:34 <-- deOmega1 has left #instantbird () 19:38:19 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 19:58:08 <-- Even has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:21:49 <-- Plop has quit (Ping timeout) 20:22:00 --> Plop has joined #instantbird 20:37:05 <clokep_work> aleth: What are you working with that needs the core? 20:38:06 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Ping timeout) 20:44:40 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 20:45:17 <-- mmkmou has left #instantbird () 20:46:29 * jwir3|lunch is now known as jwir3 20:53:46 --> flo has joined #instantbird 20:53:46 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 20:54:43 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 20:54:49 <DGMurdockIII> hi 20:54:59 <-- sonny has quit (Client exited) 20:55:00 <DGMurdockIII> brb 20:55:02 <-- DGMurdockIII has left #instantbird () 20:55:06 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 20:55:15 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 20:55:25 <DGMurdockIII> back 20:56:22 <flo> aleth: Services.core for almost everything. The exception is getting the version number of libpurple, which still uses the old contractid I think. 20:57:09 <flo> clokep_work: I would guess that he's updating the add-on to keep the status after a restart, but I may be completely wrong on that guess :) 20:57:23 <DGMurdockIII> dose instantbird detect if yousers use gtalkon android yes 20:57:28 <DGMurdockIII> yet? 20:57:42 <DGMurdockIII> i meant yet not yes 20:58:24 --> mmkmov has joined #instantbird 20:58:42 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: No. 20:58:49 <clokep_work> Have you seen any work happen in the bug? 20:58:50 <flo> DGMurdockIII: instantbird currently doesn't detect which language you are using. I'm almost sure it's not valid English though :-P 20:59:46 <DGMurdockIII> on instantbird when using irc how come the the users with admin/op and voice are not listed at top of user list list most if not all other irc clients 21:00:41 <DGMurdockIII> clokep_work: yes the bug was change a few days ago 21:01:00 <DGMurdockIII> clokep_work: that why im asking 21:02:37 <-- mmkmov has left #instantbird () 21:02:51 --> mmkmov has joined #instantbird 21:04:30 <-- mmkmov has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:04:51 --> mmkmov has joined #instantbird 21:05:28 <-- mmkmov has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:06:10 <flo> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/collusion/ makes me want to reinstall Adblock plus 21:06:55 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 21:06:55 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 21:07:50 --> mmkmov has joined #instantbird 21:08:51 <-- mmkmov has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:09:06 --> mmkmov has joined #instantbird 21:10:29 <-- mmkmov has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:10:52 --> mmkmov has joined #instantbird 21:11:07 <-- mmkmov has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:11:27 --> mmkmov has joined #instantbird 21:11:45 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: Yeah, I think all I did was move it into a different component, the email says what was changed. 21:11:56 <clokep_work> And they aren't shown on top because no one wrote code to do that. :P 21:12:18 <clokep_work> flo: Yeah, that's scary. 21:12:23 <DGMurdockIII> tok 21:13:05 <DGMurdockIII> is there a way to turn off the message sound when i send a message in irc 21:14:17 <DGMurdockIII> is there a way to turn off the sound when i send a message to anyone and only get a sound when i revive a message 21:15:14 <flo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728964 has the explanation for our mac top crasher, and why it appeared with Instantbird 1.0! 21:15:42 <DGMurdockIII> i now its not a big deal the haveing the showing the admin/ops and voiced users at top of user list but i thnk on some channel it could make the channel look nicer 21:15:57 <DGMurdockIII> easer to read 21:16:02 <flo> hmm, or maybe not 21:16:32 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: There's a bug for it. I generally agree it's usful. 21:16:46 <aleth> DGMurdockIII: Have you tried this? https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/306 21:17:40 <clokep_work> Ah, I had forgotten about that aleth. :) 21:17:46 <aleth> DGMurdockIII: How you want nicks and buddies sorted is probably a personal preference 21:17:55 <flo> clokep_work: I'm not sure sorting by status in the nicklist is actually wanted 21:18:00 <aleth> There should be add-ons for that too 21:18:07 <aleth> I don't think it should be the default either 21:18:24 <flo> if you are looking for a specific nick, it means you have to search alphabetically through 5 lists instead of one 21:18:28 <DGMurdockIII> not by status 21:19:06 <Mook_as> but if you're looking for any of the ops (e.g. who can change the channel topic), that's useful. 21:19:07 <DGMurdockIII> if a user is admin , oped or voice 21:19:40 <Mook_as> unfortunately, I think this ends up needing to be a pref (probably as a context menu item for the list) :\ 21:19:42 <DGMurdockIII> the people that have a sysmbe by there name and yes that is one good think about it 21:19:47 * Mook_as doesn't like having that many prefs, though 21:19:49 <flo> Mook_as: are there only ops who can change the channel topic here? 21:19:52 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: That's what flo meant by "status". 21:20:07 <clokep_work> flo: I'd like a header on the list that lets you change the sort. :-/ 21:20:12 <Mook_as> flo: channels with +t? (well, I think hops can too) 21:20:41 * Mook_as can't change the topic in this channel, for example 21:20:52 <flo> clokep_work: that's what I thought we could have 21:21:06 <flo> the header displayed like treecolheaders, and clickable to change the sort 21:21:06 <clokep_work> :) OK! I didn't necessarily mean by default. 21:21:11 <clokep_work> Yup. 21:21:14 <DGMurdockIII> https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/306 why is this adon feature not built in to instbird 21:21:18 <clokep_work> By default I think it should still be alphabetical, yes. 21:21:28 <flo> but the more I think about the nicklist, but more I think it sucks and we need to stop displaying it by default 21:21:59 <clokep_work> You don't think there's important information in it? 21:22:00 <Mook_as> I see the nicklist more as a remind that this is a MUC and public :p 21:22:05 <Mook_as> *reminder 21:22:21 <flo> clokep_work: I think there's more noise than information, and the important information could be displayed better 21:22:44 <DGMurdockIII> i agree with that 21:23:59 <flo> clokep_work: I'm also not really sure that problem is worth spending our time on, though :-/ 21:24:34 <aleth> The problem with sorting by clicking on column headers is that it doesn't allow for e.g. sorting the active participants to the top. Which I think would be more useful than by status. 21:25:16 <flo> good point! 21:25:34 <clokep_work> flo: Right. I think there's other stuff we can do. :) 21:25:39 <aleth> flo: A better nicklist seems less urgent than other things... but then if someone wants to work on it they will :) 21:26:05 <flo> a filter box at the top or bottom of it could be nice, by the way 21:26:20 <Mook_as> there's always the horrible "click multiple times, and it changes the sort each time"... 21:26:30 <clokep_work> Bah. :-/ 21:26:33 <flo> aleth: I think the nicklist change I'm the most interested in would be preventing the freeze when displaying a large list 21:26:35 <Mook_as> flo: do you tend to filter by things other than the prefix? 21:27:14 <flo> Mook_as: why are you asking this? It seems like a tricky question :-P 21:27:22 <aleth> If I want to filter, I use tab complete ;) 21:27:44 <flo> aleth: tab complete doesn't help to show the whois info of that nick though 21:27:51 <Mook_as> flo: because trees can usually get you good prefix matches by select + typing already :p 21:28:16 <aleth> Good point - maybe nicks in the conversation browser should have tooltips? 21:28:20 <clokep_work> Mook_as: Filtering is nice if you don't know someone's name, but only remember part of it. 21:28:28 <flo> Mook_as: hmm, it seems that already works :) 21:28:32 <flo> with the current listbox 21:28:35 <clokep_work> (Like if I wanted to filter on "bot") 21:28:58 <Mook_as> right; that's why I'm trying to figure out if going out of our way to implement filtering is actually _useful_ (as opposed to just prefix-matching) 21:29:13 <Mook_as> (well, it's non-zero amounts of useful, just how large it is) 21:29:14 <aleth> I can't really see a use case atm. 21:29:34 <clokep_work> I can see /a/ use case...just not useful to me. :-D 21:29:41 <flo> what would you think of adding a filter box at the bottom of the contact list? 21:29:47 <aleth> The main issue at present is in really busy channels, seeing who is actually active. Lots of scrolling required. 21:29:59 <flo> (it would be annoying at the top as it would end up in the middle of the window if there are conversations on hold) 21:30:15 <clokep_work> flo: That would be useful! 21:30:32 <aleth> flo: A filter box that pops up when you start typing? 21:30:34 <flo> useful enough to have by default, or something for an add-on? 21:30:57 <aleth> Prototype it as an add-on and find out? 21:31:01 <flo> aleth: ah, could be when you start typing, yes. I thought it would be when pressing Command+f 21:31:16 <aleth> That would work too! Standard search 21:31:31 <clokep_work> Just typing should work the way the participant list works ideally... 21:31:58 <flo> clokep_work: I can't imagine that in multiple groups though... 21:32:13 * clokep_work has seen things do it.. 21:32:13 <flo> each group is sorted alphabetically in the contacts list 21:32:53 <Mook_as> flo: it works fine, for the most part, actually 21:33:24 <Mook_as> at least, in the cz one, sorted by status 21:34:00 <Mook_as> (pressing "m" here switches between _orian, _icahg, _mkmov, _nyromyr, and _ook_as, in that order. Except with M where the leading underscore is) 21:37:57 <clokep_work> Yeah, it's not unheard of, just a bit funky. 21:38:37 <Mook_as> yeah, you can't sensibly repeat "ge" here, for example 21:40:01 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1301 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm. 21:40:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1301 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Reply to nick should not select what was clicked on 21:40:45 <flo> aleth: how could you select a word then? 21:40:52 <flo> s/select/quickly select/ 21:41:14 <clokep_work> Is double clicking a nick to put it in the box part of Instantbird? I forget... 21:41:50 <-- mmkmov has quit (Ping timeout) 21:42:35 <aleth> flo: That's true, but does anyone actually do that? 21:42:45 <flo> I do :) 21:42:54 <clokep_work> aleth: I do that...that's why I disabled putting the nick in the inputbox. ;) 21:43:06 <aleth> OK :) 21:43:16 <aleth> Maybe reply to nick should be restricted to double-clicking the nick then? 21:43:19 <flo> clokep_work: yeah, the nick is annoying in that case 21:43:41 <flo> except when I want to ask someone about what he meant with a specific word :) 21:43:56 <clokep_work> Ah, edge cases. 21:43:57 <flo> when it's <double click> <command+C> <command+V> <enter> 21:45:26 <flo> I very often just Command+a before starting to type the next message 21:52:36 <clokep_work> aleth: Isn't that a dup? 21:52:45 <aleth> JS-IRC is working great :) 21:52:59 <aleth> I am wondering why instantbot isn't picking it up 21:54:06 <clokep_work> aleth: You marked bug 318 as a dup of bug 798, but then essentially filed the same bug as bug 1302. :-/ 21:54:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Check if topic on IRC channels is editable and make UI respond accordingly 21:54:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, IRC: If topic is editable, make this more discoverable, if not, disable the textbox 21:54:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1302 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, topicSettable should only be set if the user has the necessary permissions 21:54:44 <clokep_work> So I'm confused. :( 21:55:10 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes. I messed that up because I hadn't looked at the code enough. I ended up proposing closing bug 798 (because on the UI side everything seems to be there already) after looking at things a bit, but didn't want to decide that unilaterally. 21:55:48 <aleth> It makes more sense imho to file this as a protocol-specific bug. But sorry for the confusion. 21:56:06 <clokep_work> Bug 318 was protocol specific. :) 21:56:20 <aleth> Yes :D I said I messed it up ;) 21:57:11 <clokep_work> My question is whether topicSettable can be set after the conversation is initialized... 21:57:26 <clokep_work> (i.e. when I join I'm a user, then I gain op privs...) 21:58:37 <aleth> It can, all you have to do currently is trigger updateTopic in conversation.xml 21:58:57 <clokep_work> Cool. :) 21:58:57 <aleth> (which propagates the changes) 21:59:03 <clokep_work> Want to write that patch? 21:59:32 <clokep_work> You need to check the flag on the conversation, if it's +t then you have to be an hop or greater, otherwise anyone can set it (I think...) 22:00:30 <clokep_work> Whether all that info is stored....well that's a different question. :-D 22:00:55 <aleth> Hmm, I'd have to look at where/how all this is stored 22:01:34 <clokep_work> The conversations have an array of flags I think. 22:02:22 <aleth> Anyway, do people agree bug 798 (understood as the UI side of things) can be closed? (for the reasons given there in the last comments) 22:02:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, IRC: If topic is editable, make this more discoverable, if not, disable the textbox 22:02:46 <flo> this is so confusing... 22:03:04 <clokep_work> aleth: It sounds like the comment should be fixed at some point... 22:03:06 <flo> what about someone actually fixes the issue instead of messing with the reports, and then closes all of them? ;) 22:03:08 <aleth> Yes :( Sorry for having added to that 22:03:55 <clokep_work> Maybe I'll get around to it tonight. ;) 22:03:57 <clokep_work> Bye! 22:03:59 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 22:04:25 <aleth> flo: It was part of the bug cleanup, and then I messed with the reports after in fact looking at the code and discovering the problem wasn't where I assumed it was ;) 22:04:31 <flo> has the exact situation in which joining a password-protected channel is broken been figured out? 22:05:15 <flo> aleth: you don't need to justify yourself. Everything makes mistakes ;). Plus the more we talk about this, the more confusing it gets... :-P 22:05:33 <aleth> Yup, time to write some patches :P 22:05:38 <flo> s/Everything makes/We all make/ 22:09:54 * Mook_as assumes that mistake was intentional, just because it's funnier that way 22:14:30 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 1.1.19/2010030105]) 22:40:26 <-- Plop has quit (Ping timeout) 22:42:10 --> Plop has joined #instantbird 22:48:37 <-- Tomek has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 22:59:15 <flo> Good night 22:59:32 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:00:32 --> kieppie has joined #instantbird 23:00:48 <kieppie> hi all. just discovered this app 23:01:01 <kieppie> before I install, just a few quick questions: 23:01:27 <kieppie> does it support video & voice, Voip? 23:01:38 <kieppie> does it secure stored credentials 23:02:09 <kieppie> atm that's my pet peeve with pidgin/adium/libpurple - user credentials stored in cleartext 23:03:14 <Mook_as> no, no, and the upcoming version, yes, I think. 23:03:34 <Mook_as> (the mozilla password store, which can have a master password set, I think) 23:04:27 <kieppie> well, that's better than nothing. pidgin/libpurple does not even have any basic security around that & it's been a gaping vuln for a long time now 23:10:22 <aleth> The current nightly already stores passwords in the mozilla password manager (encrypted), as long as you make a fresh profile. 23:10:57 <Mook_as> yep, hence the upcoming version bit 23:11:27 <aleth> Just pointing out kieppie could use the nightly if he doesn't want to wait ;) ) 23:15:09 --> deOmega1 has joined #instantbird 23:16:00 <deOmega1> clokep.. meant to ask, if you thought my requests were valid 23:16:27 <deOmega1> *are 23:18:49 <kieppie> I see voice/video/voip is sometime in future "ready when it's ready" 23:19:30 <aleth> kieppie: It's definitely wanted :) 23:20:19 <kieppie> yea - I'd like to move from pidgin 23:21:42 <aleth> deOmega1: (1A) is bug 307, (1B) is vertical tabs specifc I think, (1C) is an add-on that needs fixing, (2) is bug 606, (3) is interesting - not sure if for an add-on or as a general feature though. Maybe file a bug? 23:21:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Restoring session after restart 23:21:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Provide mail notifications in buddy window 23:22:59 <deOmega1> aleth: thanks for responding.. looking 23:23:29 <aleth> So maybe check those bugs and add a comment if you think there is something missing from the discussion there :) 23:23:33 <aleth> Thanks for making the list! 23:24:47 <aleth> It's good to know what is most-wanted ;) 23:27:06 <deOmega1> thank you.. i see the disuccion and incidentally.. the mail bug was filed by sebret00th. for the record, I did not even put together his mockup when i commented about the email. 23:27:22 <deOmega1> *discussion 23:27:35 <aleth> If you file (3) it would be good to know when exactly you (or others) think the current conv-top is "too big", i.e. under which circumstances. e.g. is it just a matter of it not disappearing early enoughj when shrinking a window? 23:27:41 <deOmega1> in bug 606 23:27:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Provide mail notifications in buddy window 23:28:56 <deOmega1> I personally like it, so i really cannot say I have a complaint. I would have the chore of getting others to try IB again (I am starting to be a nag to be honest) 23:29:20 <deOmega1> I know that flo tweaked it to what I thought was a comfortable level 23:29:32 <aleth> It seems fine to me too. 23:30:32 <deOmega1> When the skin guys get active :).. they may appreciate the way they could make use of that area in terms of style.. 23:32:00 <deOmega1> My comment 1c really should not be from an addon. 23:35:37 <aleth> Mic had some WIP where you could install FF Personas in that space I think... 23:36:31 <deOmega1> that would be cool 23:36:46 <deOmega1> can you explain something to me please? :) 23:36:48 <aleth> If you think 1c should be in the core, file a bug. I am not sure it is a good default though - is it really case that your previous status message is still relevant after you restart, maybe it's the next day, you are certainly no longer away, etc... 23:37:11 <aleth> But that's just my first opinion. 23:38:22 <deOmega1> you know what.. interesting 23:38:38 <deOmega1> there is siomething missing here 23:39:24 <deOmega1> a status message is generally.. eg. feeling the blues today 23:39:40 <deOmega1> i can be away, and still saying, feeling the blues today 23:39:50 <deOmega1> or busy and saying teh same thing 23:40:00 <deOmega1> so, it is not just about busy, away, etc 23:40:28 <deOmega1> so, what is the proper description? Seems like i was misguided 23:41:51 <aleth> I don't know :D It can be quite hard sometimes to figure out exactly where the problem is 23:43:09 <deOmega1> but this is what you thought i meant by status message right? 23:43:39 <deOmega1> i ask because your response was relating to .. well, messaging status i guess i can call it 23:44:25 <aleth> I thought you meant status and status message (like that add-on) 23:45:49 <deOmega1> ok.. i guess the addon preserve both. Never considered that 23:55:09 <deOmega1> oh, my question was this 23:55:15 <deOmega1> All message styles (not just Bubbles) should support context messages, bug 1074. 23:55:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1074 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Default message styles lack context message support 23:55:38 <deOmega1> may i ask what is context messaging? (sorry if I should know this already) 23:55:55 <Mook_as> it's the messages that show up from re-opening things 23:56:02 <aleth> Oh, it's just when you open a conversation from hold, "context" messages are the ones you've already read 23:56:14 <deOmega1> ah LOL 23:56:20 <deOmega1> in context. lol 23:56:34 <deOmega1> thanks, man, i went on a totally more complicated assumption 23:57:03 <deOmega1> thank you guys 23:58:07 <deOmega1> well, did not know it was complicated, but assumed it was something technical as opposed to conversation context