#instantbird log on 02 08 2012

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01:19:10 <aleth> I suspect that comment got too long to be useful :(
01:22:19 <clokep> aleth: Not too long.
01:22:28 <clokep> I think you have some good points in there.
01:23:18 <aleth> I'm kind of stuck, so I thought the best thing was to just dump where it's at present.
01:23:25 <clokep> I think you're right that some idea needs to be thought of for the style.
01:25:41 <aleth> Also I guess my question is whether to give up on the idea of providing anything 'default' that works for message styles that don't explicitly support it. Deciding that would also clarify somewhat
01:26:21 <clokep> Yeah, that would help a lot.
01:26:30 <clokep> I'm hestitant to comment as I know little about how the message styling works.
01:26:35 <clokep> And what would fit into it better.
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02:07:54 <clokep> So forget that I'm posting another patch tonight. ;) I have a bug I need to sleep on.
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03:51:12 <instant-buildbot> build #389 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/389
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05:51:44 <instant-buildbot> build #475 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/475
06:52:18 <instant-buildbot> build #381 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/381
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15:45:23 <Mic> hej
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16:12:48 <Mic> Hmm :)
16:13:02 <Mic> Buddy Status ran from a bootstrapped add-on for the first time.
16:13:17 <Mic> No icons yet..
16:14:48 <flo> :)
16:15:03 <flo> Mic: have you seen the emailed titled "Rechtschreibfehler auf der Webseite".
16:15:04 <flo> ?
16:15:25 <Mic> Yes, I haven't responded to it yet.
16:16:38 <flo> do we know if FeuerFliege(not sure the nick is spelled correctly) is on that mailing list?
16:17:44 <Mic> I don't know either.
16:17:48 <Mic> Is he active at the moment
16:17:49 <Mic> ?
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16:18:22 <flo> he was active on localization and updating the website for the 1.0 release. We need neither at the moment, so I don't know...
16:20:05 <Mic> I have a patch with text changes for the features page sitting in BIO and he hasn't reviewed it yet, that's why I'm asking.
16:20:32 <flo> is it possible to review a patch without having canedit permissions on bugzilla?
16:20:47 <flo> (or without someone teaching you what the ?+- mean there ;))
16:28:45 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.com bug 1258 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
16:28:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1258 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, German: problems on the "About" page
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16:36:10 <Mic> It seems so, since we did that before: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=896&action=edit
16:37:14 <flo> ok
16:37:23 <flo> then he may have just missed an email :)
16:39:01 <Mic> I pinged him again already.
16:39:03 <flo> so you haven't cc'ed him on that bug you just filed?
16:39:22 <Mic> No, I'll do that when I attach the patch
16:39:46 <Mic> Does it make sense to let these patchs be reviewed?
16:40:37 <Mic> bbl
16:40:51 <flo> I think so
16:41:10 <flo> it's not a review in the sense of a code review, but it's nice to get people interested in the locale in touch with the localizer :)
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17:02:31 <clokep_> Bleh reviews are over rated. ;)
17:05:05 <flo> clokep_: hello :)
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17:05:16 <clokep_> Good morning flo.
17:06:23 <clokep_> Hope all your Tb stuff is fun. :)
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18:07:04 <instantbot> do.not.deliver@gmx.de granted review for attachment 978 on bug 1153.
18:07:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1153 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, German locale: string changes to "features" webpage
18:07:49 <flo> :)
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18:08:55 <instantbot> do.not.deliver@gmx.de set the Resolution field on bug 1153 to FIXED.
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18:36:59 <clokep_> I guess he's reading his email? :P
18:38:24 <flo> yes :)
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19:31:46 <go8765> hello. can i disable in instandbird colorising nicks?
19:33:17 <clokep_> go8765: Colorizing nicks in the participant list?
19:39:58 <go8765> clokep_: ye
19:40:22 <clokep_> go8765: I don't think there's an option for it, it'd be fairly easy to do in an extension. Any particular reason you don't like it?
19:42:01 <aleth> go8765: Also, you can hide the participant list (collapse it by hand, or use an add-on to do this for you) or you can use the latest nightly build which is a bit less colourful ;)
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19:47:58 <go8765> clokep_: Any particular reason you don't like it?
19:48:31 <go8765> clokep_: sorry .
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19:49:10 <go8765> clokep_: http://storage1.static.itmages.ru/i/12/0208/h_1328730531_4381378_49cf0ecfe2.png
19:50:03 <igorko> go8765: privet ;)
19:50:09 <igorko> hi all too
19:50:46 <go8765> igorko: russian?
19:50:57 <igorko> almost
19:52:33 <go8765> aleth: what builds number you mean?
19:53:11 <aleth> go8765: Just the latest development builds (http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/latest-trunk/)
19:53:52 <aleth> But they are not localized.
19:54:07 <go8765> aleth: is they have some reat unstables ?
19:54:14 <go8765> *great
19:54:49 <go8765> igorko: ukrainian?
19:54:52 <aleth> It's usually pretty stable - I can't remember any major problems. 
19:55:11 <go8765> aleth: ok. thanks. i try it)
20:00:30 <aleth> If you encounter any problems, let us know :)
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20:01:03 <go8765> oke)
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20:29:57 <clokep_> That's an awfully ugly theme IMO. :P
20:34:56 <Mook_as> I think users have the right to choose the ugliest themes they can, as long as they're not the default :p
20:35:47 <clokep_> Fair enough. :)
20:36:00 <clokep_> But brown for the back of input elements, really?
20:40:16 <aleth> Yeah. I wonder if it's his own?
20:43:08 <clokep_> I think it's inheriting from the OS.
20:43:57 <aleth> Which looks heavily customized in a very individual way
20:45:36 <aleth> Grey on brown nicks are going to look real good in the participant list...
20:46:14 <clokep_> Yeah we kind of have an assumption that the background of that is white. :-/
20:46:21 <clokep_> I wonder if we could make it easier to theme that at all though.
20:47:34 <aleth> In principle it's themable, isn't it? But I have no idea how hard it is to write a theme
20:48:16 <aleth> I think the nicklist uses the disabled text color, so if that is changed globally...
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21:01:48 <clokep_> aleth: It's themable but you have to overwrite the participant binding I think?
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23:30:34 <clv> Hello, please, is there a pre-set time period for the Instantbird conversations' logs to expire and be deleted, or are they kept forever?
23:30:48 <clokep> clv: They're kept forever.
23:30:55 <clokep> You can disable them though.
23:32:13 <clv> OK, thank you, it would be nice to be able to set a custom period, maybe manually in the config-editor.
23:32:35 <clokep> clv: You could file a bug on bugzilla.instantbird.org, but I tend to think that that sounds more like an extension thing.
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23:32:42 <clokep> Can I ask what your use case it?
23:32:50 <clokep> (Or your worreid about space? Privacy? Something else?)
23:35:00 <clokep> aleth: That screenshot looks nice. :)
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23:36:53 <clv> Well, no worries for now, but I'm apreciating Instantbird so that maybe I use it for years and then my HD would become full of small files throughout the years. Anyways no problems, I'll just set some clean job when needed...
23:38:01 <clv> BTW, I'm considering translating this program to Brazilian Portuguese, my language.
23:38:55 <EionRobb> you own Brazilian Portugese?!
23:39:07 <EionRobb> well, now I know where to send my complaints ;)
23:40:00 <clokep> clv: I think we've had a few people want to work on that one, there's some issues with our localization framework right now. :-/
23:40:24 <clokep> But maybe you should read. https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Translation#A_repository_for_your_locale_and_access_to_it
23:40:56 <aleth> Yay, more localizations! :)
23:43:18 <clv> Clokep: OK thanks; Another little suggestion, I'd like to customize the logs' format, for example to supress the timestamp from being printed to the log.
23:44:52 <clokep> clv: Nightly builds have a JSON log format.
23:45:03 <clokep> To store real information to rebuild the conversation.
23:51:24 <clokep> An extension could overwrite this with a custom logger though. :)
23:53:40 <aleth> clokep: Where is the message object (aMsg) defined?
23:54:00 <clokep> aleth: Can you give me some context?
23:54:15 <clokep> Most likely http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/components/public/prplIMessage.idl though.
23:54:36 <aleth> gets passed to conversation.xml and on from there...
23:55:02 <aleth> Yes, that looks right.
23:55:24 <clokep> What you working on? ;)
23:56:09 <aleth> Looking into the feasibility of joining up split bubbles again after a ruler has moved on...
23:56:29 <clokep> I see.
23:56:31 <aleth> Tricky though.
23:56:58 <aleth> Restoring from hold does it of course by reparsing the entire convo...
23:57:05 <clokep> Yes. :-/
23:57:21 <clokep> There's situations it would be nice to edit a single message /after/ they're displayed.
23:57:29 <clokep> (To mark a message as deleted on Twitter.)
23:58:04 <aleth> Yes, some kind of array
23:59:20 <clokep> Sounds like you want bug 300.
23:59:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=300 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add an array of all the displayed messages
23:59:38 <aleth> Well...