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11:06:48 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1241 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
11:06:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1241 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "Add contact" button in contact list
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14:50:19 <instantbot> kemza@seznam.cz changed the Resolution on bug 1239 from INVALID to DUPLICATE.
14:50:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1239 maj, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, When contact have diacritical mark as first letter, contact are not shown
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17:12:45 <clokep_work> flo: Were we thinking of meeting today?
17:12:55 <flo> hmm, I think so
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17:24:38 <flo> where should I put the password preference stuff? (button to access the password manager, checkbox to use a master password, etc...)
17:25:02 <flo> I would see it either at the bottom of the Privacy tab, or in a "Password" tab of the Advanced tab.
17:25:17 <clokep_work> I don't know. :-/
17:25:28 <flo> Firefox has it in Security
17:25:31 <flo> Thunderbird too
17:25:42 <clokep_work> Isn't it already there in Instantbird?
17:25:52 <flo> the master password?
17:25:54 <flo> no :)
17:26:05 <clokep_work> The password manager.
17:26:20 <clokep_work> I would say to put it in the same place though.
17:26:46 <flo> I don't really want to add a Security tab
17:27:24 <flo> isn't it for privacy reasons that one would want a master password?
17:27:50 <clokep_work> Yes.
17:28:10 <clokep_work> It probably makes sense to put it there.
17:28:13 <flo> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/search?string=master%20password
17:28:21 <flo> interestingly, we already have the localized strings for it :-D
17:31:09 <flo> that whole security.dtd localized file seems unused :-S
17:32:58 <clokep_work> Is that taken from Thunderbird?
17:33:06 <flo> I would say it's from Firefox
17:33:25 <flo> but both are very similar, so I'm not completely sure :)
17:33:40 <clokep_work> Ah, I didn't think Firefox had a master password.
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18:13:08 <flo> the master password prompt is ugly :(
18:13:44 <Mook_as> and blocking :(
18:13:51 <Mook_as> (well, modal, anyway)
18:14:40 <flo> Mook_as: it's the first window displayed before any other Instantbird window is shown
18:14:52 <Mook_as> haha
18:15:42 <flo> all it says is "Password required" "Please enter the master password for the Software Security Device."
18:16:18 <flo> it would be much better if "the Software Security Device" could be replaced by "Instantbird" in that string
18:17:41 <flo> http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/security/manager/locales/en-US/chrome/pipnss/pipnss.properties#44 that requirement imposed on localizers seems crazy :-S
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18:18:47 <Mook_as> I don't think full-width French or German would work :p
18:19:23 <flo> Mook_as: they are supposed to know how to count the size of the UTF8 characters they use...
18:19:45 <Mook_as> I assume it's more "try it; does it crash?" :p
18:20:14 <flo> Mook_as: that would only be possible if the comment included clear steps to reproduce
18:24:27 <flo> hmm, apparently our code isn't super happy if the user cancels the master password prompt
18:30:21 <flo> in that case we can't even know if there's a stored password or not :-/
18:31:17 <clokep_work> You can't even tell if there's stored password if they cancel the prompt?
18:31:24 <clokep_work> What if they give the wrong password? :P
18:34:35 <flo> I haven't tried yet, I'll try that later :-D
18:34:42 <flo> but I suspect the result is more or less the same
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19:02:38 <aleth> Sorry I am late for the meeting. Re password preference, I'd say Privacy is better than the already overloaded Advanced tab
19:02:44 <aleth> Ah, seems meeting is over
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19:04:00 <clokep_work> aleth: There wasn't much of a meeting. ;)
19:04:49 <aleth> And I wanted to ask about people's key mapping preferences (re Mics' comment on bug 1234) but then that's not very exciting either
19:04:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, NEW, Improve keyboard navigation
19:14:27 <clokep_work> I need to read the bug again.
19:15:49 <aleth> only the last 2 comments really... the wider issue is future-proofing the key assignments
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19:19:07 <clokep_work> aleth: So what is your proposal for key bindings then? There's a bunch of ideas in there. :-/
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19:21:33 <aleth> clokep_work: I guess my proposal is in the patch ;) Make no immediate distinction between Home/End and Ctrl-Home/End so there is room in the future to differentiate. But seriously, like I said in my last comment, it does depend on what people are thinking of adding in the future.
19:22:03 <aleth> And on whether those keys would be the place to make additions in the first place.
19:22:48 <aleth> Quite possibly it doesn't even matter if it is changed slightly at a later date as new features are added. But I thought it might be worth asking for feedback
19:23:42 <clokep_work> So your patch has Home/End jump between sections and to get to the top, you'd hit Home twice?
19:24:14 <aleth> Yes
19:24:40 <aleth> (Mirroring the touchpad gesture behaviour)
19:25:37 <clokep_work> And the current Ctrl + Page Up/Down behavior would be removed?
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19:25:49 <aleth> Ctrl-PgUp/Dn is not affected at all
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19:25:59 <aleth> (That changes the current tab)
19:26:10 <clokep_work> Sorry, I meant Alt + Pg Up/Dn.
19:26:20 <aleth> That's also kept in place
19:26:47 <clokep_work> Is there a difference?
19:26:52 <clokep_work> Why are there two ways to do the same thing?
19:27:00 <aleth> Since Home/End won't work as soon as the user starts typing in the editbox
19:27:16 <aleth> Power users will want Alt-PgUp/Dn and Shift-PgUp/Dn ;)
19:27:45 <clokep_work> Hmmm...OK.
19:28:44 <aleth> It's behaviour similar to Mic's Easy Scrolling add-on, though not identical, and implemented differently
19:28:53 <aleth> So you can test-drive that if you like
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19:40:08 <clokep_work> RIght.
19:40:33 <clokep_work> I think it's a good idea. I'm just not sure how I feel about different keys being used at different times.
19:41:09 <clokep_work> (I.e. use Home if there's no text, but Alt + Home always works, and Ctrl + Home if no text, but Alt + Ctrl + Home always works.)
19:41:52 <clokep_work> My point is really just that I'm not sure I agree w/ the Home + Ctrl+Home keys. :)
19:42:24 <Mook_as> hmm, yeah, I agree that modal keys should be avoided.
19:43:05 <aleth> Hmm, I didn't map Alt+Home to anything. The idea is to make section scroll discoverable and useable. 99% of the time you don't want to scroll while typing. Try it and see if it feels natural you. I actually think it's much more intuitive than the current setup.
19:43:14 <Mook_as> (what/if keybindings exist for going through the scrollback/text area doesn't matter as much for me, I can go grab the mouse.  I guess I'm not enough of a unix guy? :) )
19:43:17 <aleth> Generally I would agree with Mook_as, but this isn't modal in the usual sense
19:45:02 <aleth> When the textbox is empty and I use a standard nav key, I am bound to be reading the conv, and so I expect nav keys to, well, work.
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20:20:35 <Mic|web> aleth: I think you're right: actually trying it is the best way to see how well it works ;)
20:20:38 <Mic|web> bbl
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21:21:55 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1242 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
21:21:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1242 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, JSON log viewer scrolls to end of conversation on opening log
21:23:50 <flo> is this something you want to fix? :)
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21:25:40 <flo> aleth: by the way, that patch in bug 1234 looks good. I haven't r+'ed it yet because I'm still confused by the discussion both here and in the bug comments; and I haven't tested it either.
21:25:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, NEW, Improve keyboard navigation
21:26:02 <clokep_work> Should it not go to the bottom by default?
21:28:20 <aleth> flo: Yeah, it did end up a bit confusing, though the point of the bug comments was to help straighten things out :( While the behaviour in the patch itself is straightforward...
21:29:33 * clokep_work wonders if the log viewer should read from top to bottom...
21:29:33 <flo> clokep_work: why should it do that?
21:29:55 <clokep_work> Oh wait.
21:30:00 <clokep_work> It does read from top to bottom.
21:30:05 * clokep_work is burnt out from work...
21:31:45 <Mic|web> Is it common enough to scroll while having something entered in the input box to justify having extra key bindings for this case? Couldn't that become an add-on for 'power-users' (as you called them) if they need it?
21:31:52 <Mic|web> @aleth
21:33:05 <aleth> Mic|web: I don't think Shift/Alt PgUp/Dn get in anybody's way, and they are there already, so I kept them. 
21:33:57 <aleth> Present users who know about and got used to Sh-PgUp/Dn at least would probably not like it broken in 1.2
21:34:02 <flo> aleth: so why do we have shift+alt doing the same thing? I suspect it's where I got confused :-S
21:34:19 <clokep_work> flo it's where I got lost too.
21:34:33 <flo> :)
21:34:47 <aleth> flo: It's not the same. Sh-PgUp is currently the only way to page up/dn from the editbox. Alt-PgUp is the current section scroll combo.
21:35:02 <flo> ah!
21:36:19 <aleth> It's the current inconsistencies I was trying to straighten out ;)
21:36:41 <flo> what's currently inconsistent then?
21:37:50 <aleth> Bug 867 and bug 1211 for example. But comment #0 in bug 1234 tried to explain the logic behind the changes :( seems it didn't do it's job well
21:37:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=867 enh, --, ---, aletheia2, NEW, Shift+Page Up/Down should work when content area is selected
21:37:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1211 min, --, ---, aletheia2, NEW, Scrolling to section only works when input box is focused.
21:37:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, NEW, Improve keyboard navigation
21:38:07 <flo> (by the way, just to confuse things even more, what's the expected behavior when both alt and shift are pressed?)
21:38:42 <aleth> flo: I don't know. Certainly I don't override or change that in the patch
21:40:04 <aleth> Probably it does nothing at all.
21:40:16 <flo> aleth: it's confusing that bugs 867 and 1211 are saying basically the same thing (for different keys), but with opposite wordings ("should work when content area is selected" vs "only works when input box is focused")
21:40:33 <flo> and it seems like both wil be resolved as dupes of bug 1234 once that lands
21:40:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, NEW, Improve keyboard navigation
21:40:39 <aleth> flo: I didn't file the bugs ;) But thanks to Mic for filing them
21:40:44 <Mic|web> Oh, you don't forward PageUp/Down when something the user entered something already :(
21:41:03 <Mic|web> I know that parts is not so nice in my extension but useful anyways imo
21:41:44 <aleth> Mic|web: Yes, I know your add-on does that, but I thought it was too potentially confusing . But it could be added if others want it too
21:41:48 <flo> Mic|web: I've no idea of what you mean with "Oh, you don't forward PageUp/Down when something the user entered something already"
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21:43:31 <aleth> flo: The point of bug 1234 was that it seemed to me a couple of related things could be fixed without code duplication by the same patch once the logic of the desired behaviour was clear
21:43:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, NEW, Improve keyboard navigation
21:44:25 <flo> aleth: I think I've understood already that the point of 1234 was to get things done rather than just report things that are confusing/frustrating
21:44:40 <Mic|web> flo: my extension forwards these keys to the browser *unless* they are really needed in the input box
21:45:20 <Mic|web> Needed = there's a scrollbar because the content takes up more space than is avaialble there (i.e. when you have a vertical scrollbar)
21:46:17 <Mic|web> hmm, seems I repeated myself here;)
21:47:10 <flo> Mic|web: oh, so you meant that your add-on detects the scrollbar, as opposed to aleth's patch only detecting non-emptiness?
21:47:16 <Mic|web> Yes
21:47:49 <flo> aleth: the log viewer will definitely still exist in 1.2
21:49:26 <flo> I don't have time to invest now in coding infinite scrollback + I don't think all the UI concerns for that are solved either (especially for the cases where the user wants to search by date, it seems we need to somehow display a timeline, and a log viewer may still be needed for that case).
21:49:58 <flo> also, infinite scrollback doesn't work when searching in all indexed logs, rather than just the previous similar conversations
21:50:54 <Mic|web> Look for the highlighted section here: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/9817
21:51:25 <flo> Mic|web: ok. I think detecting the scrollbar is better, but may be less reliable (depending on how it's implemented, I don't remember if you have found something that works all the time, or only almost all the time ;)), and more importantly, may be confusing to users. It's still a nice idea though, so aleth's patch should probably not kill the add-on :)
21:52:35 <Mic|web> If we had better page up/down handling, we could ditch shift+pageup/down with almost no loss
21:52:55 <Mic|web> Two key combinations less that could confuse people
21:52:59 <flo> hmm, that looks reliable
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21:54:49 <aleth> What I didn't like about detecting the scrollbar was that it would only apply to PgUp/Dn and not all the nav keys. Because cursor up/down and home/end need to be used for editing much earlier.
21:55:38 <aleth> So it seemed cleaner to me to drop it. But it could be added with another clause in the 'if' in the patch.
21:56:26 <clokep_work> Page up/Down can still be used even if there is no scrollbar.
21:56:31 <flo> it doesn't seem like the main thing you are trying to fix in this bug, so this can probably be discussed/added separately
21:56:43 <aleth> Yes exactly.
21:56:50 <clokep_work> It would end up just going to the top/bottom, but is standard editor key binding.
21:58:02 <Mic|web> hmm.
21:58:46 <Mic|web> Indeed. I never noticed :D
21:59:11 <Mic|web> That's not good then. :(
21:59:24 <clokep_work> It's silly, but that's probably not something you'd want to break.
21:59:48 <flo> clokep_work: in an add-on it's ok ;)
22:00:00 <flo> as long as the description makes it clear and the user isn't surprised
22:00:09 <Mic|web> I really don't like how many key bindings with different modifiers we have.
22:00:12 <clokep_work> flo: I meant for inclusion in Instantbird.
22:00:14 <Mic|web> :(
22:00:34 <flo> clokep_work: I understood that :)
22:01:11 <Mic|web> I was hoping we could make shift+page up/down go away because of it since it would only cover an edge case then
22:10:51 <clokep_work> Shouldn't shift + Page up/down do the same thing and select text though?
22:11:52 <Mic|web> clokep_work: true. Firefox does that (I just tried it on BIO)
22:12:23 <clokep_work> Yeah.
22:15:26 <aleth> It could be easily removed from the patch. I don't know how used current users are to the current behaviour.
22:16:56 <clokep_work> Goodnight.
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22:17:13 <Mic|web> good night
22:17:21 <Mic|web> I lag :D
22:18:05 <aleth> It must be an early night for clokep :D
22:18:47 <flo> what about when the nicklist is focused? :-P
22:19:02 <Mic|web> OH!!!! We need another modifier to account for that! :P
22:19:04 <Mook_as> select people in the nicklist? :p
22:20:07 <aleth> People with accessibility issues might not like it if we broke PgUp/Dn and cursor up/down in the nicklist :P
22:21:39 <flo> aleth: it's the software that has accessibility issues, not the people ;)
22:22:11 <flo> by the way, it seems that Reply To/RT are very poorly accessible, as one need to be able to point at the tweet to open the context menu on it
22:22:11 <aleth> Yes, that was badly put 
22:25:14 <flo> what's the keyboard shortcut to kick out a troll? (we need a built-in troll detection algorithm :-P)
22:27:28 <aleth> :D
22:27:45 <EionRobb> let me know when that's in place so I can shush about file transfers ;)
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22:35:47 <flo> EionRobb: seriously, what's your problem with file transfer?
22:36:08 <EionRobb> lol
22:36:28 * Mook_as assumes flo's answer would be dropbox integration :p
22:36:53 <flo> Mook_as: I'm waiting for Thunderbird's team to do that for us so that we can just take the code ;)
22:37:34 <Mic|web> hmm, couldn't we base64 encode it and put everything into data urls? ;)
22:37:54 <flo> although it wouldn't be completely clear which application is taking the other application's code, as Thunderbird's dropbox support uses Instantbird's twitter OAuth code :-D
22:38:13 <Mook_as> let's just call it "incestuous" :p
22:38:46 <flo> :-D
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22:47:14 <Mic|web> Can we postpone the decision on bug 1234 until tomorrow (or later) by the way? There's other things I might want to say there and it's getting late here already.
22:47:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, NEW, Improve keyboard navigation
22:48:03 <Mic|web> Good night
22:51:07 <flo> Mic|web: Good night! :)
22:52:32 <aleth> good night :)
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