#instantbird log on 12 12 2011

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00:23:00 <clokep> I wonder if there's a way to organize strings to optimize usage of a buffer size...
00:23:38 <flo> I don't fully understand how http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/src/purpleAccountBuddy.cpp#156 can compile without any #include <imITagsService.h> in the purplexpcom code
00:23:41 <flo> but it really seems to work
00:24:35 <flo> maybe your #include "imITagsService.idl" is propagated to the generated .h file
00:24:55 <clokep> That was going to be my guess.
00:25:03 <clokep> And thus #include was a better choice than interface? ;)
00:27:57 <aleth> flo: "Why do you need the pref observer, rather than just getting the pref from the
00:27:57 <aleth> pref service for each message (it wouldn't be horribly expensive, especially if
00:27:58 <aleth> you use Services.prefs rather than doing a getService call each time)?" <-- How come this isn't much more wasteful? 
00:28:07 <flo> #ifndef __gen_imITagsService_h__
00:28:08 <flo> #include "imITagsService.h"
00:28:08 <flo> #endif
00:28:54 <flo> getting a pref is just a call to getIntPref here, which isn't terribly slow
00:29:17 <aleth> Doesn't it add up?
00:29:41 <flo> all the Components.classes[...].getService ... dance is a bit slow, but that's cached with Services.jsm :)
00:30:10 <flo> sure, it adds up, but I think we already read several preferences for each message display
00:30:11 <aleth> Ah. So there is already an observer cacheing the prefs?
00:30:23 <flo> no, there's a magic getter on the preference service
00:30:26 * aleth wanders off to look at Services
00:31:23 <aleth> Hmm, what does that "lazy getter" do which is magic?
00:32:50 <flo> lazyness without you having to see anything (the getter that's deletes itself and replaces itself with a value when first called)
00:33:45 <aleth> Where in imServices.jsm is Services.prefs defined?
00:34:08 <clokep> aleth: It's defined in Services.jsm, which we pull from toolkit.
00:34:22 <clokep> (Cu.import("..../Services.jsm")
00:34:28 <flo> hmm, we may be getting less pref values than I thought for each message
00:34:35 <clokep> I know that's in my awesomebar, one second.... http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/Services.jsm
00:35:31 <flo> but it's just an add-on anyway
00:35:32 <aleth> I just don't understand yet why getting the pref each time is the preferred option. 
00:35:42 <aleth> Thanks clokep
00:36:01 <clokep> aleth: No problem. I go to that page a lot. :-D
00:36:08 <clokep> (There's an MDC page too I think.)
00:36:19 <flo> aleth: because we are likely to spend more time reading that code than the total time spent by all users of this add-on waiting for it to execute
00:36:57 <aleth> flo: heh :) I just followed the recommendations on MDN for add-on prefs, hence the question
00:37:18 <flo> do they really recommend that?
00:37:40 <flo> and do they really not recommand using services.jsm?
00:37:51 <aleth> Certainly on all the pages I looked at
00:38:02 <aleth> That might not be exhaustive of course
00:38:35 <aleth> e.g. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Adding_preferences_to_an_extension
00:38:56 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 1074 on bug 759.
00:38:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759 min, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Reorganize purplexpcom
00:40:16 <flo> that page looks old
00:40:19 <aleth> Ah, I found the Services.jsm page. It's FF 4+ so maybe the preferences documentation hasn't caught up yet
00:40:30 <flo> with only a minor update for "Alternative method: Inline Options"
00:41:34 <flo> I suspect that page had been written at the time of Firefox 2.0
00:42:40 <flo> my guess seems right. Most of the history is in April 2006
00:43:26 <aleth> flo: some others on this topic look even older, e.g. this one http://mozilla.doslash.org/prefutils/
00:43:57 <flo> right
00:44:01 <flo> but that's not on MDN :)
00:44:13 <aleth> it's linked from the Prefences API page ;)
00:45:40 <aleth> under "There are a few JavaScript wrappers to make your life easier:"
00:45:49 <aleth> Services.jsm is not mentioned ...
00:46:06 <aleth> Well, thanks for telling me about it :)
00:46:42 <flo> clokep: you haven't removed the "let prplAccount = this.prplAccount;" line :(
00:47:00 <flo> aleth: the documentation is often outdated :(.
00:47:05 <flo> mxr rarely is ;)
00:47:27 <clokep> :( Sorry.
00:47:27 <aleth> mxr is useless unless you know what you are looking for already though ;)
00:47:35 <clokep> I thought I removed that before even removing my line!
00:48:02 <flo> as you are going to attach another version anyway, I'm now wondering if receiveStatusInformation is a meaningful name
00:48:17 <flo> the imAccount instance always receives it anyway, right?
00:48:59 <clokep> Yes, but it needs a way to know whether to call the connect methods or not.
00:49:01 <flo> does "_forwardStatusInfo" sound better or is it just as obscure?
00:49:23 <flo> I'm talking about the name, not whether the variable is needed
00:49:58 <clokep> forwardStatusInfo is a bit better, but still kind of obscure.
00:50:06 <clokep> + the _
00:52:16 <flo> yeah, it isn't right either, as we aren't forwarding when the prpl account isn't connected
00:52:49 <clokep> I mean we could just do _enabled, but is that accurate?
00:53:05 <flo> what about _statusObserver?
00:53:39 <clokep> That's actually used already. ;)
00:53:43 <flo> we could create and add the observer in connect(), and remove it in disconnect()
00:53:47 <flo> then you don't need that variable at all
00:53:56 <flo> and you don't need the silly test inside the observer
00:54:41 <clokep> Just delete status observer in the disconnect method?
00:55:12 <clokep> Or just call the addObserver/removeObserve methods I guess is better.
00:55:28 <flo> call removeObserver before deleting! :)
00:55:48 <flo> hmm, not sure if you have to delete or not
00:56:24 <clokep> Also, why do we remove it on line 252 (for me), and then add it back on line 272.
00:56:28 <flo> it we connect() but never disconnect() because there's a connection error anyway, should we still add the observer again?
00:57:28 <flo> clokep: because the point of that method is to change the imIUserStatusInfo we are observing
00:58:00 <flo> that method is there to make life super easy for add-ons that want to set a different status for some specific accounts ;)
00:58:36 <clokep> Ah, I see. :)
00:59:23 <flo> or maybe we should add the observer only once we are broadcasting the account-connected notification?
01:00:23 <flo> but it's way too late to continue reviewing code
01:00:26 <flo> Good evening
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01:01:03 <clokep> Thanks!
01:01:12 <clokep> Hmm..OK I have a slightly simpler one that seems to work then.
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01:06:12 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/6c9fd7291335 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 759 - Reorganize purplexpcom - Move imIStatusInfo and imITagsService/imITag to separate files, r=fqueze.
01:06:14 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/5a9c9760fb59 - Florian Quèze - Bug 1098 - Authorization loop if the lastMessageId preference has an invalid value for a Twitter account, r=clokep.
01:06:15 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/99001189b31c - Florian Quèze - Move the default preferences of all-instantbird.js that are used by code in chat/ to chat/chat-prefs.js.
01:06:16 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/344ecd3a4d7c - aleth - Bug 1182 - Fix 'Reference to undefined property' JS warnings in buddytooltip.xml, blist.js and account.xml, r=fqueze.
01:06:17 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/623feed8b5e6 - Florian Quèze - Bug 1182 - Fix 'reference to undefined property' warnings from imThemes.jsm, r=clokep.
01:06:18 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/d367be2a2eb8 - Florian Quèze - 'undefined' proposed as status text when switching back to an online status from the UI at the top of the contacts window after being offline.
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01:08:02 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1098 to FIXED.
01:08:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1098 min, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, Authorization loop if lastMessageId is empty for a Twitter account
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01:16:40 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1075 on bug 1199.
01:16:41 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1076 on bug 1199.
01:16:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1199 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Only notify prplIAccounts of status changes when enabled
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09:22:46 <Mic> Hi
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10:14:25 <flo> hello :)
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10:28:24 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 1076 on bug 1199.
10:28:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1199 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Only notify prplIAccounts of status changes when enabled
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10:45:07 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1078 on bug 1204.
10:45:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, buddy icons missing in JS-XMPP messages
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11:21:48 * flo is trying to debug bug 1203
11:21:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1203 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, No longer able to log into Facebook Chat via Instantbird since patches enabling JS XMPP
11:28:13 <flo> I changed the facebook chat password of my test account to something containing accents
11:28:44 <flo> then, it was no longer possible to connect with either JS-XMPP or the libpurple plugin
11:29:09 <flo> after some hacking around the encoding of the password in xmpp-authmechs, J've just successfully connected with JS-XMPP
11:29:19 <flo> but I still can't connect with the libpurple plugin
11:29:32 <flo> so I don't seem to be having the same issue the reporter had
11:34:26 <clokep> Would https://developers.facebook.com/docs/chat/#platauth or the section after it (Authenticating with Username/Password) help at all? :)
11:35:35 <flo> clokep: it doesn't say anything more than "The DIGEST-MD5 SASL mechanism"
11:36:04 <clokep> Yeah, I just realize that that section ended right off my screen, I thought it was more in depth. :(
11:36:39 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 1078 on bug 1204.
11:36:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, buddy icons missing in JS-XMPP messages
11:39:01 <flo> with this change http://pastebin.instantbird.com/2665 I'm able to authenticate with a password containing accents
11:40:10 <flo> the change to the way data.cnonce is generated probably isn't needed. It just seemed that passing the md5 method a decimal number in a parameter called "aString" was an abuse. This nonce code is from twitter.js
11:41:20 <clokep> I see, what's the reasoning behind not always using the UTF-8 converter? Wouldn't that give the same result for  ASCII characters?
11:41:53 <flo> have you read my comment above the function?
11:42:03 <flo> for strings we can always use it
11:42:16 <flo> the problem is when the function receives a "string" which is actually binary data
11:43:13 <clokep> I did read it, I didn't understand until you said that ^.
11:43:26 <flo> isn't this what the comment says?
11:45:41 <flo> about bug 1204, your link shows that my code won't work, and you r+'ed it anyway? ;)
11:45:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, buddy icons missing in JS-XMPP messages
11:46:11 <flo> it will break twitter, as if I add a getter, setting the property won't be allowed any more...
11:47:29 <clokep> Bah. :(
11:47:36 <clokep> You're right.
11:48:09 <flo> so, does that encoding patch seem ok?
11:48:57 <clokep> It seems OK, yes. 
11:49:15 <clokep> Does JS-XMPP not handle add/remove buddy methods or is there just nothing to do in them?
11:49:55 <flo> it's not handled yet :(
11:50:33 <flo> if anybody is interested in implementing that (it shouldn't be too difficult), that would be nice. And it's a nice way to get familiar with the XMPP code :)
11:51:44 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1079 on bug 1204.
11:51:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, buddy icons missing in JS-XMPP messages
11:56:43 <clokep> Maybe I'll take a look at it while I do it for IRC too.
11:57:08 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1080 on bug 1203.
11:57:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1203 maj, --, ---, florian, ASSI, No longer able to log into Facebook Chat via Instantbird since patches enabling JS XMPP
11:58:20 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 1079 on bug 1204.
11:58:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, buddy icons missing in JS-XMPP messages
12:06:36 * clokep needs to go.
12:06:44 * clokep will not be at the meeting today (most likely).
12:06:46 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 1080 on bug 1203.
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12:06:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1203 maj, --, ---, florian, ASSI, No longer able to log into Facebook Chat via Instantbird since patches enabling JS XMPP
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13:01:16 <Mic> aleth: regarding bug 1202: you could, for example, add a button to the inline options that opens a window with a live preview ?
13:01:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1202 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add inline options to select nick highlight style
13:03:50 <flo> isn't it more work than it's worth?
13:05:31 <Mic> I guess you're asking the wrong person ;)
13:07:24 <flo> Mic: hmm? :)
13:08:39 <aleth> Mic: It seems a bit excessive considering you can simply switch while chatting and see the result. No need to open/close conversation windows like with the changing message theme.
13:09:47 <Mic> I don't really care ;) I only wanted to point to answers to statements like "there is no obvious way to do this."
13:10:26 <aleth> ah...  "this" referred to an inline preview ;)
13:11:26 <Mic> I thought as much but showing it inline would be even more difficult
13:12:03 <flo> it would justify a pref observer :-P
13:12:54 <Mic> Are prefs changed immediately from that screen?
13:13:01 <aleth> Yes.
13:13:44 <Mic> Good to know
13:14:19 <aleth> Inline options are rather nicely implemented. They "just work".
13:14:33 <flo> is it easy to localize them?
13:14:42 <aleth> I think so. You can add a dtd
13:15:47 <aleth> But I don't know much about localization.
13:16:23 <Mic> It's possible to add new different options while the window is opened (create appropriate nodes and insert them where needed), I tried that with checkboxes for the different protocols once. (I started from the method mentioned here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Extensions/Inline_Options#Display_notification )
13:17:00 <Mic> Maybe you can start from the same place and find and replace the preview image (if there's one on the add-on screen?)
13:17:50 <Mic> *add-on options screen
13:17:55 <aleth> That's what flo meant with it "justifying an observer", I think. But is it worth it?
13:18:18 <Mic> That's up to you. I only wanted to point you to the things you might need.
13:18:24 <aleth> Thanks!
13:28:36 <flo> if I was the one doing that change, I would have just put a textbox where the user would have entered some CSS code
13:28:54 <flo> I think aleth's proposal is already way more user friendly ;)
13:48:00 <Mic> That might be a good idea for a "custom style" option :)
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14:30:32 <flo> I'm glad I tested my patch for bug 1204 before pushing it
14:30:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, buddy icons missing in JS-XMPP messages
14:34:08 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1204 to FIXED.
14:34:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 nor, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, buddy icons missing in JS-XMPP messages
14:37:05 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/c5d76309b6bb - Florian Quèze - Bug 1204 - buddy icons missing in JS-XMPP messages, r=clokep.
14:37:06 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/a6c5dc1dc201 - Florian Quèze - Bug 1203 - Handle the password as an UTF8 string for the DIGEST-MD5 SASL method of JS-XMPP, r=clokep.
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17:07:19 <ecaron> Is there a meeting?
17:09:34 <flo> hmm, I think so :)
17:12:18 <flo> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/instantbird-weekly-meeting-20111212
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17:18:58 <flo> nobody else has opened the pad (yet)?
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17:21:48 <ecaron> sorry, i opened it now
17:22:41 <flo> have you shown that logo proposal to anybody beside me?
17:23:08 <flo> I don't think team@ib.org was cc'ed (or was it in an IM conversation that I got the link?)
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17:51:26 <Mic> "New logo... Should Eric stop pursuing it?", what's the pro's and con's here?
17:52:00 <Mic> I mean it's hard to have a reasonable opinion when you know nothing about something? ;)
17:52:00 <flo> Pro: Eric loves that proposal. Con: I dislike it.
17:53:43 <Mic> (It's not hard to have any opinion about something you absolutely know nothing about, though ;) Just look into any forum on the web:P)
17:54:11 <flo> that's why I asked if others had seen it
17:54:13 <Mic> Is there a reason why we mustn't see it?
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18:08:00 <Mic> bye
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18:12:53 <clokep_work> flo: Your fix for bug 1204...if the message is outgoing, shouldn't it return your own buddy icon?
18:12:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 nor, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, buddy icons missing in JS-XMPP messages
18:13:10 <flo> imThemes.jsm does that
18:13:31 <flo> for all outgoing messages, even if the prpl has no buddy icon support at all
18:14:40 <clokep_work> Oh OK. I didn't realize that.
18:16:22 <flo> it would be so useful to have a working debugger :(
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19:07:38 <Mook_as> fwiw, I'll try to look at the new js-irc patch tonight. (first comments: the makefile seems to still have odd indentation.)
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20:44:40 <flo> there's already a patch in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709622 :)
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21:29:51 <aleth> This proposed new icon... is it attached to some bug?
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22:17:06 <flo> I wonder why http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/themes/account.css is included in account.xul
22:17:43 <flo> it seems to be a leftover of the window used to create accounts before I added the account wizard
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22:58:46 <flo> EionRobb: another Pidgin release that doesn't compile on Windows?
23:06:46 <EionRobb> :)
23:06:48 <EionRobb> it does now
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23:09:24 <flo> doesn't that require a new source tarball though?
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23:41:12 <flo> Good night :)
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