#instantbird log on 10 20 2011

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00:13:13 <flo> Good night
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00:15:55 <clokep> Goodnight!
00:15:59 <clokep> Just installed the extensions. :)
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09:39:59 <flo> hello :)
09:47:30 <FeuerFliege> hello
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10:06:11 <flo> the crash reports we are getting for 1.1 seem to confirm that the oscar top crasher we have had for a long time (before 0.2, and up to 1.0) is really gone :).
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10:13:05 <Mic> Ah, nightlies again :)
10:14:49 <flo> yes :)
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10:32:21 <flo> did we mean to post on the blog about our weekly meeting of monday?
10:34:33 <flo> I'm probably not going to finish the No Spam add-on soon, so if anybody is interested in taking it over, feel free :)
10:48:56 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 913 to bug 1088.
10:48:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1088 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Twitter timeline's normalizedName shouldn't be localized
11:00:07 <flo> uh, the rot13 add-on really makes it difficult to test the patch for bug 1095 :-D
11:00:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1095 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, No notification when the user's nick is mentioned in the twitter timeline
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11:22:55 <FeuerFliege> The names of folders and files that instantbird creates are not checked against forbidden names.
11:25:14 <Mic> Is there any case where we might run into problems?
11:27:24 <Mic> Or is it something someone could abuse for something?
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11:51:36 <clokep_work> flo: We should post about Monday's meeting, yes. :)
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12:24:03 <clokep_work> flo: What's left for the anti-spam add-on? Having a list of names to block or something?
12:24:16 <clokep_work> Right now it blocks everyone not on your buddy list, I think?
12:24:20 <flo> preferences to block per protocol or per account
12:25:56 <flo> it's not an add-on to block specific people.
12:26:47 <clokep_work> So block people not on your buddy list from AIM, but let people not on your buddy list from IRC through?
12:27:07 <flo> exactly! :)
12:27:27 <flo> I think I would also block strangers on Netsoul ;)
12:29:13 <flo> there's really something wrong in the timing of receiving twitter replies
12:30:10 <flo> it goes like this: 1. My phone beeps, saying I've a new email.
12:30:48 <flo> I focus the Gmail app tab in my Firefox. Nothing new there. I force gmail to refresh the inbox. 2-3s later, an email from twitter "... replied to one of your Tweets!" appears
12:31:07 <flo> ~5s later, the reply appears in the twitter stream and I have it in Instantbird.
12:31:36 <clokep_work> It could just be the email sent is faster then it being sent to the stream.
12:31:47 <flo> yeah
12:32:01 <flo> but the twitter stream is extremely slow, nowhere near "instant".
12:32:25 <flo> + gmail on a machine with a fast internet connection is slower than gmail on my cell phone with a very poor 3G connection.
12:32:32 <clokep_work> I'm more surprised by you getting on your phone first.
12:32:34 <clokep_work> Yeah.
12:32:36 <flo> both feel wrong
12:33:43 <flo> twitter would definitely be more pleasurable to use if messages took less than 1s to be delivered though.
12:33:55 <flo> especially the messages that are explicitly targeted to you
12:35:42 <clokep_work> Yes. :( I generally think of it as short email messages though. Not expecting it to be instantaneous.
12:35:58 <clokep_work> It takes a second or two to get your own tweet back from the server after we send it!
12:35:59 <flo> emails are faster (on a phone at least)
12:36:59 <flo> I think they manager to hide very well the slowness of the system because the tweet has a unique timestamp. Which is several seconds after the tweet is actually sent, and several seconds before it's received.
12:39:52 <clokep_work> Oh, really? Interesting.
12:40:03 <clokep_work> I've never really checked my own timestamp.
12:40:23 <flo> when you send a tweet to yourself (if you have 2 test accounts), you will see that the timestamp is the same in both tabs
12:41:21 <clokep_work> Well that makes sense because they're both sent to us from the server, right?
12:41:32 <flo> sure, it makes sense
12:41:38 <flo> it just makes the lag difficult to verify
12:42:10 <clokep_work> Ah, you'd need to give a timestamp of when you sent it and then see the timestamp on the message when received and the timestamp of when you received it...
12:42:16 <clokep_work> but that assumes your clock is in sync with the server. :)
12:43:11 <flo> well, I just need to measure the difference between when I sent, when I've the confirmation that it's sent, and when I receive it in the other tab
12:44:18 <flo> hmm, after enabling ntpd, my clock is still ~ half an hour late on the server hosting the blog :(
12:46:29 <clokep_work> That's weird. :-/
12:47:51 <clokep_work> (FYI: I will not be able to attend Monday's weekly meeting either.)
12:51:20 <flo> heh, so that meeting will either be only on etherpad over a longer time, or on the contact mailing list ;)
12:52:24 <clokep_work> Yes. :) Well if Mic, aleth and ecaron are there...that's still a meeting. ;)
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13:28:06 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1000 to FIXED.
13:28:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1000 enh, --, 1.1, florian, RESO FIXED, Minimize user interruptions
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15:01:09 <ecaron> Could someone help me figure out a response to these recent tweets: http://twitter.com/#!/rdlf2048
15:02:37 <flo> maybe we can RT "Instantbird: bon petit IM sous Windows, rapide et très simple" (it means "Instantbird: good small IM on Windows, fast and very simple")
15:04:00 <flo> ecaron: for his " I need to be warned about whenever people gets online/offline/idle etc." request, Mic wrote an add-on for that
15:04:25 <ecaron> I was looking for that addon. I figured it would have the word pounce in it.
15:04:51 <flo> for all the tweets before... why is it so important to him to know which network people are using?
15:04:59 <aleth> ecaron: Also, he is free to tag his contacts any way he likes
15:05:00 <ecaron> I assume you're talking about AMO 300
15:05:10 <flo> ecaron: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/253
15:07:46 <ecaron> He's a part of a big startup incubator, so definitely a fringe case user.
15:08:01 <ecaron> That said, any ib advocate is a good one:)
15:09:26 <clokep_meeting> ecaron: What is AMO 300?
15:09:51 <ecaron> I was hoping instantbot could give info on plugins just like it does on bugs.
15:09:56 <flo> https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/300 ? Not a very interesting add-on ;)
15:10:25 <ecaron> No, 253 is much better than 300. But in searching for a plugin that seemed to do what the user wanted, I only found 300 - not 253.
15:10:59 <flo> wasn't there someone asking for "Always on Top" here recently? Mic has it covered already: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/262 (although it's not marked compatible with 1.1)
15:11:30 <clokep_meeting> flo: FeurF something was, yes.
15:11:47 <clokep_meeting> And ecaron I don't think he has a module for that, and "pounce" is Pidgin terminology I think.
15:12:59 <ecaron> Miranda uses pounce, and its in urban dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=IM-pounce)
15:18:48 <flo> ecaron: haven't you seen my reply to Ludovic (lhirlimann)?
15:21:00 <ecaron> sorry, i hadn't. kudos on fixing it.
15:21:01 <flo> ecaron: http://twitter.com/#!/fqueze/status/126761272103546880
15:21:28 <flo> actually, I should hg push for the fix to be in tomorrow's nightly :)
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15:32:18 <clokep_meeting> ecaron: Ah, didn't realize it was used that much. :)
15:33:31 <flo> oh, google is closing Code Search (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/fall-sweep.html)
15:42:07 <clokep_meeting> Yes. I saw that. :(
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15:50:05 <MadWookiee> hello there
15:50:26 <clokep_meeting> Hello MadWookiee.
15:52:03 <MadWookiee> I just upgraded my instantbird client, and now I 'm not able to connect to openfire server... Does someone have an idea ?
15:52:49 <flo> does it use a self signed SSL certificate?
15:53:06 <MadWookiee> i think yes, it's a private xmpp server
15:53:25 <flo> then you need to either import the certificate, or disable certificate checking
15:54:41 <MadWookiee> thanks, i will see that
15:55:14 <MadWookiee> (but i think the message "SSL handchecking fail" is not so obvious ^^
15:55:35 <flo> the preference to toggle to disable certificate checking is purple.ssl.check_certificates (in the advanced configuration editor)
15:55:43 <clokep_meeting> It could be because of many different reasons MadWookiee.
15:56:12 <flo> but if you can download the right certificate and import it, it's better for your security ;)
15:57:56 <MadWookiee> sure !
15:58:19 <MadWookiee> I'm sorry, but I don't find "advanced configuration editor", is that a plug-in ?
15:58:48 <clokep_meeting> Tools > Options > Advanced > "Config editor" I think.
15:59:08 <MadWookiee> many thanks !
15:59:21 <clokep_meeting> There might be another set of tabs inside of "Advanced" :( It's on the first one though.
15:59:39 <MadWookiee> yes I found it
16:01:23 <MadWookiee> it work perfectly, thanks everybody \o/
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16:04:31 <MadWookiee> is there a dedicated site where to request improvement on instant bird, or must I do them here ?
16:04:56 <flo> enhancement requests can be filed at bugzilla.instantbird.org
16:05:02 <flo> if you need/want to discuss them, here is the right place :)
16:05:21 <flo> (bugzilla is much better to ensure we don't forget though :))
16:06:23 <MadWookiee> sure ^^ so I can ask your view on a request, and then post it on bugzilla if you think it's relevant
16:10:04 <MadWookiee> first of my request is : Is there a way to discover channels of a server ? (i think about the /list function of IRC)
16:11:46 <clokep_meeting> There isn't a way to do it currently, but I think we have a bug on file about that.
16:12:51 <clokep_meeting> bug 500 and bug 1003 are related
16:12:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Autocomplete / drop down for chat rooms in Join Chat menu
16:12:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "Discover this network" for IRC (list channels, topics,..)
16:12:58 <clokep_meeting> Not exactly the same though.
16:13:57 <flo> ecaron: are you replying to him on twitter? It's definitely a bug of the mozilla platform. The only correct bugzilla result I've found is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637074 (surprising that it's filed in 2011, this bug has existed forever :-D)
16:14:41 <MadWookiee> nice
16:16:42 <ecaron> no, but i can
16:17:01 <MadWookiee> and my last request (for the moment) : what about a line before the first message received after you close a group discussion ? (like Weechat)
16:17:28 <flo> maybe also https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488566 (windows only)
16:19:45 <MadWookiee> hmm I don't think it match : in weechat, when you leave a group discussion window, it keep the last line of the conversation, and if you reopen the window, a line appears where you leaved the conversation
16:20:13 <flo> which message theme do you use?
16:20:19 <MadWookiee> I don't know if I'm clear (excuse me for my english)
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16:20:52 <MadWookiee> I use 'simple'
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16:21:15 <flo> if there's something specific you have a really hard time explaining in English, you can tell if in French and someone will translate for you. Thanks for trying to keep the conversation in english :)
16:21:58 <flo> MadWookiee: the bubbles theme (the default) display old messages differently. aleth wrote a patch for that for other message themes that are included by default, but it wasn't ready in time for 1.1.
16:22:10 <flo> bug 1074
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16:22:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1074 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Default message styles lack context message support and override font choice
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16:25:16 <MadWookiee> nope, i don't the the difference, with bubble theme or not ^^
16:26:19 <MadWookiee> i don't SEE the difference*
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16:28:47 <MadWookiee> so, i will leave. thanks for your help ^^
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16:32:35 <flo> MadWookiee: it's possible I didn't understand what you meant by "when you leave a group discussion window, [...], and if you reopen the window"
16:35:43 <MadWookiee> with the 1.1 instantbird version come a feature called "conversation holding", that display the count of new messages since you "holded" the conversation... I'm (trying to) explain that it could be usefull to have a way of identify the first of all message received while conversion were held
16:36:13 <MadWookiee> with a line (like weechat) or a button to go directly to the message
16:36:55 <flo> in Bubble the messages that have already been displayed in the past appear differently (and go back to their normal appeareance while they are hovered)
16:39:53 <MadWookiee> sorry, I don't see the 'difference' you talk about
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16:44:12 <flo> MadWookiee: http://i.imgur.com/W9huY.png you see the difference between the first 4 messages and the last 3?
16:46:27 <MadWookiee> are you talking about saturation modification ?
16:46:43 <flo> yes
16:46:54 <MadWookiee> ok.
16:47:12 <MadWookiee> really, really not obvious ^^
16:47:24 <flo> hmm, is that a kind of change that happens to be completely invisible to colorblind people? :-/
16:48:21 <MadWookiee> i'm not colorblind but i think the effect is not strong enough
16:48:57 <flo> it's totally obvious for me
16:49:01 <flo> impossible to miss
16:49:06 <MadWookiee> for me, the bubbles colors don't match with the colors in the participants list
16:49:09 <flo> it may also depend on the setting of your screen
16:49:29 <MadWookiee> so for me, there is just awfull colors and more awfull colors...
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16:49:53 <MadWookiee> yes, it's true, on another screen, i have a lot more colors
16:50:07 <MadWookiee> I will try in a couple of hours
16:50:16 <aleth> MadWookie: you could try this add-on https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/302/ 
16:50:46 <aleth> (written because I also wanted more visual distinction ;) )
16:51:08 <MadWookiee> on the preview in the link, the distinction is more clear
16:51:25 <MadWookiee> but there is only two contacts talking
16:51:42 <MadWookiee> in a chatroom, there is too many colors to identify (for me)
16:51:44 <aleth> You can always uninstall it if you don't like it
16:51:48 <aleth> To some extent it's a matter of taste what one prefers...
16:52:56 <MadWookiee> and, i dislike the bubble theme. But at least, you confirmed that the distinction is possible, and it juste a choice of theme's developpers
16:53:15 <MadWookiee> it's just a choice*
16:53:32 <aleth> As flo said, if you install the nightly version, the other themes should get support for this soon as well
16:53:47 <MadWookiee> ok
16:54:12 <aleth> Btw the Minimal2 style also has a quite strong distinction  - all the older messages are light gray
16:54:17 <MadWookiee> now flo said me it was the saturation effect, it's just a bit more clear ^^
16:55:21 <aleth> (But I'm not sure if the bugfixed Minimal2 is on the add-on site - did it get uploaded yet flo?)
16:55:53 <MadWookiee> i'm leaving. bye and thanks, all !
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16:56:37 <flo> aleth: uh, if *I* needed to do something about it, then I've completely forgotten, sorry :(
16:57:02 <aleth> Long time ago...
16:57:17 <aleth> It's somewhere in some email queue you asked me to send it to
16:57:32 <flo> I've probably starred that email
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17:24:57 <clokep_meeting> Mibbit uses a red line too to show old messages.
17:24:59 <clokep_meeting> It's nice. :)
17:26:43 <aleth> There's a bug for it somewhere afaik
17:26:58 <aleth> maybe in the context of IRC / IRC rewrite
17:27:10 <clokep_meeting> I have half an extension for it.
17:28:13 <aleth> xchat has it too
17:28:44 <clokep_meeting> Adding a line there should be fairly easy now in the message theme, no?
17:29:00 <clokep_meeting> Althouhg I wanted it even when you went away from a tab.
17:29:08 <clokep_meeting> So things would be come "context" whenever you browse off a tab.
17:29:15 <aleth> Yes, you would want it consistently
17:29:16 <aleth> exactly
17:29:23 <aleth> Not so easy...
17:29:47 <Mook_as> gaze tracking! :p
17:30:10 <aleth> Related: Scroll to first unread message on reopen hidden conv.
17:33:00 <flo> if we are reopening the conversation because someone is pinging you right now, it may not be a super idea to scroll up
17:36:50 <Mook_as> depends on the user; (on IRC) I always try to skim scrollback first.
17:37:41 <clokep_meeting> Mook_as: In that case it might be best to scroll to the ping at the bottom?
17:38:26 <flo> Mook_as: I tend to look at who's pinging first, and if there seems to be a valid reason for the ping. If it's just spam, I go back to what I was doing :)
17:38:57 <Mook_as> spampingspampingspampingspampingspampingspampingspampingspampingspampingspamping
17:39:32 <Mook_as> wait, I didn't include a name _or_ a penis-related product; I suck at spamming.
17:43:28 <clokep_meeting> So Mook_as what else do we need to do to IRC to get you to use Instantbird? ;)
17:44:41 <Mook_as> hmm. I need to fix unibrow again to get the channel list (well, hidden or whatever conversations, including the open ones) attached to the chat window
17:44:50 <Mook_as> then I think that's pretty much it
17:44:57 <Mook_as> oh, and be ugly, maybe ;)
17:46:02 <flo> it needs to be ugly for you to use it?
17:46:09 <flo> I'm sure themes can help with that :-D
17:46:29 <clokep_meeting> Alright. :)
17:46:37 <clokep_meeting> The other thing was chat invitations right? But those should work now.
17:46:41 <clokep_meeting> (Just don't use Sametime.)
17:46:56 <Mook_as> well, going by the fact that I've used cz for so long, I'm assuming that's what I'm used to :D
17:47:26 <Mook_as> invitations was for a songbird channel; I don't go there anymore (due to not wanting to accidentally overhear sensitive stuff), so it's fine now
17:47:26 <clokep_meeting> Hmm....make a CZ theme for Instantbird? :P
17:48:58 <clokep_meeting> Ah, OK. :)
17:49:04 <clokep_meeting> Yeah...Songbird...
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18:16:35 <fespinoza> hello
18:17:35 <aleth> hi fespinoza 
18:17:42 <fespinoza> I am just trying instantbird for the first time and I have a question: How can I see an irc server's channel list? If I do /list I don't see the output anywhere
18:17:53 <fespinoza> hi aleth
18:18:12 <aleth> Unfortunately that feature doesn't exist yet. It's on the list though
18:18:32 <fespinoza> k
18:18:34 <fespinoza> thank you
18:18:49 <fespinoza> I will go back to pidgin for IRC stuff then.
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19:11:53 <MadWookiee> Hi there
19:12:03 <MadWookiee> hi aleth 
19:14:21 <aleth> hi MadWookiee
19:14:53 <MadWookiee> I just tried the bubble theme on a 'true' screen
19:15:27 <MadWookiee> and it's true, the difference between the 'old' message and the newer are clearly obvious
19:15:46 <aleth> Yes
19:16:03 <aleth> There are many ways to represent the difference though, so it's good to have a choice
19:17:21 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1097 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
19:17:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1097 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tab complete is case sensitive
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19:20:06 <Mic> Is there any sane way how you can follow two people discussing on Twitter?
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19:22:42 <Mic> Dear http://twitter.com/#!/rdlf2048, the cons with that add-on is that it uses the crappy built-in alert system, btw.
19:23:20 <Mic> I'd really like to replace that with something fancy on Windows (Linux & MacOs users should better use their OS notification system?)
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19:26:03 <aleth> For Mac it's called Growl afaik, on Linux it's DBus or notify-send/libnotify
19:26:18 <aleth> Just spotted this code which might be useful https://code.google.com/p/pidgin-knotifications/
19:26:35 <clokep_meeting> Mic: No, there isn't.
19:27:12 <Mic> clokep_meeting: hmm, there isn't what?
19:28:24 <Mic> I know I used lib-notify stuff once and I had heard of Growl iirc
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19:28:47 <clokep_meeting> Mic: "Is there any sane way how you can follow two people discussing on Twitter?"
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19:28:54 <clokep_meeting> You can kind of follow on the website, but it's crappy.
19:29:11 <Mic> Ah, ok. It really sucks to have to go from one profile to the other on the website but it's really broken imo
19:29:21 <clokep_meeting> aleth: Mozilla stuff use Growl on Mac yes, I think it uses libnotify on Linux (If it's available, otherwise the same as Windows).
19:29:47 <Mic> You click a message and ... the message is shown a second time on the right side of the window. 
19:29:51 <Mic> Great feature! :(
19:30:31 <aleth> Having conversations via twitter is a pain.
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19:31:29 <Mic> "The contact grouping sounds like a really interesting concept, though maybe a niche use-case." what does this mean btw?
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19:31:43 <flo> Mic: it shows the thread of replies on the right part of the screen
19:32:02 <flo> who said that?
19:32:43 <Mic> "instantbird" in one of the tweets to this user I mentioned earlier
19:33:12 <clokep_meeting> Mic: It means he thinks it's useless for most people.
19:34:07 <flo> ah, ecaron then
19:34:19 <Mic> If that guy contacts me I'm happy to help but I won't try to figure out what happened in this conversation .. 
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19:34:33 <flo> uh, yeah, probably a politically correct way to say it's not wanted :)
19:34:52 <ecaron> Precisely.
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19:36:09 <flo> hmm, so can we tell the twitter stream that we want to see the @ replies sent by people we follow?
19:36:21 <Mic> I know that the alert system sucks and should be replaced .. 
19:36:31 <flo> it's super annoying that I don't see the replies sent by @instantbird if they don't contain the word "instantbird", I risk double-replying all the time :(
19:36:38 <Mic> .. and it's even in the add-on description.
19:36:46 <Mic> Even that I'd like to replace it.
19:37:01 <flo> that's https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488566, which I mentioned earlier ;)
19:37:14 <Mic> This is a WONTFIX, isn't it?
19:37:22 <Mic> hmm?
19:37:31 <Mic> Oh, a different bug than I expected ;)
19:37:53 <flo> Mic: try to avoid being frustrated by people not reading the description you took the time to write, because people complaining before taking the time to read is definitely and unfortunately WONTFIX ;).
19:38:54 <Mic> The description is too long btw ;)
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20:19:55 <Mook_as> Mic: I've a partially-finished reimplementation of the crappy built-in alert system that deals with multiple alerts at once, but it's not polished enough yet
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20:51:43 <flo> I'm ready to push the patches for bug 1095, bug 1088, bug 1081, bug 948, bug 763, bug 1073 and bug 1031. Have I missed someone's pet bug (with a reviewed patch)?
20:51:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1095 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, No notification when the user's nick is mentioned in the twitter timeline
20:51:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1088 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Twitter timeline's normalizedName shouldn't be localized
20:51:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1081 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, White variant of default Papersheets message style fails in MUCs
20:51:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=948 nor, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Finer control over sound notifications (i.e. receiving chat ping vs. instant message)
20:51:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763 min, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Allow middle-click on IRC nick
20:54:33 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 895 on bug 1031.
20:54:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1031 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove the optional last parameter from addEventListener calls
20:54:53 <flo> instantbot: you haven't mentioned bug 1073 ;)
20:54:56 <instantbot> flo: Sorry, I've no idea what 'you haven't mentioned bug 1073 ;)' might be.
20:55:19 <flo> stupid bot...
20:55:21 <flo> bug 1073
20:55:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1073 min, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Follow-up to bug 504: remove a now unused field from group.xml
20:58:31 <flo> that push completely messed up the en-US repository :(
21:03:42 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/dbe3294cbe8c - Florian Quèze - Libpurple callbacks returning a boolean value should use gboolean rather than PRBool.
21:03:44 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/8fbd4dce3bbd - aleth - Bug 1081 - White variant of the Papersheets message style isn't white in MUCs, r=fqueze.
21:03:45 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/3ae73e3b04e0 - Florian Quèze - Bug 1088 - Twitter timeline's normalizedName shouldn't be localized, r=clokep.
21:03:46 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/951973812c10 - v17al - Bug 763 - Allow middle-click on IRC nick, r=fqueze.
21:03:47 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/00f58c19af0e - v17al - Bug 948 - Add hidden prefs for finer control over sound notifications, r=fqueze.
21:03:48 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/f747753078ba - Benedikt Pfeifer - Bug 1073 - Follow-up to bug 504: remove a now unused field from group.xml, r=fqueze.
21:03:49 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/937d6c06b2d8 - Florian Quèze - Bug 1095 - No notification when the user's nick is mentioned in the twitter timeline, r=clokep.
21:03:50 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/dd0ee8d3a2b6 - Benedikt Pfeifer - Bug 1031 - Remove the optional last parameter from addEventListener calls, r=fqueze.
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21:11:32 <v17al> Hey Flo I see you have added my sound preference changes
21:12:29 <v17al> I was just wondering if you were going to update the version number of the nightlies to 1.2apre? If that's the case I'll update the addon as such
21:13:01 <flo> it's already done, just click "check for update" in your nightly ;)
21:14:52 <flo> I've reverted to en-US repository to the state it had before my push.
21:15:11 <flo> I'll need to figure out sooner rather than later why pushing something to the code repository breaks it
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21:30:58 <flo> if anybody with editbugs feels like resolving all these bugs as fixed (and paste the changeset URL, and don't forget to set the target milestone to 1.2), go ahead, that will be appreciated :).
21:34:10 <v17al> flo: Is there any way I can make it so my addon will be modifiable by others. This way you guys can throw in a quick change when instantbird is updated.
21:35:18 <EionRobb> couldn't you just set the max version of the addon to be * ?
21:38:21 <flo> v17al: the maxVersion can be updated from the addons website, without uploading a new xpi file
21:38:39 <v17al> Sweet, thanks
21:38:59 <flo> EionRobb: the addons website wouldn't accept that.
21:39:28 <EionRobb> you should fix that while you're adding in FT ;)
21:42:12 <flo> how are these 2 things related?
21:42:17 <flo> or is it a way to say "never"? :-P
21:42:53 <flo> + it's not a bug. Add-ons should only be marked compatible with versions of the application they have been tested with
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22:17:53 <flo> Good night. I probably won't be online tomorrow (at least not at the usual time).
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22:32:38 <clokep> I'll close those bugs after I eat. :)
22:36:34 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1073 to FIXED.
22:36:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1073 min, --, 1.2, benediktp, RESO FIXED, Follow-up to bug 504: remove a now unused field from group.xml
22:38:15 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1031 to FIXED.
22:38:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1031 tri, --, 1.2, benediktp, RESO FIXED, Remove the optional last parameter from addEventListener calls
22:39:47 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1095 to FIXED.
22:39:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1095 nor, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, No notification when the user's nick is mentioned in the twitter timeline
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22:43:28 <Mook_as> clokep: right, is the default IRC client the js-irc one yet, or is that still a while away?
22:44:03 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 948 to FIXED.
22:44:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=948 nor, --, 1.2, mattdentremont, RESO FIXED, Finer control over sound notifications (i.e. receiving chat ping vs. instant message)
22:44:09 <clokep> Mook_as: Should be for 1.2.
22:44:20 <Mook_as> okay. I'll try it again then.
22:44:45 <Mook_as> (since I the way I use IRC at work I should be able to stand using a more iffy client :p )
22:45:46 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 763 to FIXED.
22:45:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763 min, --, 1.2, mattdentremont, RESO FIXED, Allow middle-click on IRC nick
22:48:37 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1088 to FIXED.
22:48:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1088 nor, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, Twitter timeline's normalizedName shouldn't be localized
22:48:57 <clokep> Mook_as: Awesome! I have been having some issues with Freenode recently though. :(
22:49:22 <Mook_as> sounds like it won't affect me until I use it at home ;)
22:49:59 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1081 to FIXED.
22:50:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1081 nor, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, White variant of default Papersheets message style fails in MUCs
22:50:30 <clokep> Yeah. I tried adding a Ping timeout on the client side (so if your connection drops or you sleep your computer...it tries to reconnect when you get back).
22:50:41 <clokep> It has a 10 minute timeout but my freenode will randomly still reconnect then. :-/
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23:15:15 <aleth> When (if ever) is the buddy list statusbar used?
23:15:54 <clokep> It's not used right now. I think we want to put something with accounts down there?
23:15:59 * clokep doesn't remember.
23:16:45 * aleth likes the contacts window to be as light as possible, so was surprised it had a status bar beyond a certain size
23:40:27 <clokep> Mic: You should get rid of those 1.1 searches.
23:40:31 <clokep> (Or just make them 1.2...)
23:40:43 <clokep> aleth: I agree, we should use it or comment it out or something. :(
23:45:42 * aleth votes for "comment it out"
23:46:08 <aleth> Not least because when you notice it exists on resize, you wonder if you have been missing anything
23:48:47 * clokep never knew it disappeared.
23:50:18 <aleth> You have to have your contact window quite small ;)
23:50:32 <clokep> Yeah, I keep mine vertically maximized.
23:56:38 <clokep> Any idea how to format this better so that it doesn't go over our character limit? :( http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1025