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Declaration dropped. Source File: chrome://instantbird/content/preferences/preferences.xul Line: 0" 09:46:49 <aleth> Look harmless though 09:47:29 <lewellyn> so the new qq should be in the latest nightly? 09:47:36 <flo> yes, it is 09:48:39 <lewellyn> k. i'm downloading latest nightly now. being slow :( 09:49:26 <aleth> Twitter support is getting really polished :) 09:50:13 <lewellyn> about 1 more minute till i have the latest nightly :/ 09:51:46 <lewellyn> ok. now to try qq! :D 09:52:28 <flo> lewellyn: how come is it so slow? 09:52:33 <lewellyn> no clue :( 09:52:38 <lewellyn> it was like 30kb/s 09:52:51 <flo> bit? or byte? 09:53:14 <lewellyn> um. i'm guessing byte. the window doesn't specify ;) 09:53:29 <flo> B is byte 09:53:31 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 09:53:33 <lewellyn> hm. it dies at requesting captcha here too 09:53:55 <lewellyn> so it's perceptually the same to someone trying to use qq 09:53:56 <flo> isn't that what the previous plugin also did? 09:53:56 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 09:54:15 <lewellyn> well, until it started saying (in chinese) that your version is too old :) 09:56:10 <lewellyn> well hell. now i get the captcha each time i connect with the real client :( 09:57:38 <flo> even when the network goes down and it has to reconnect? 09:58:28 <lewellyn> looks like every time i touch a qq login 09:58:34 <lewellyn> they're feeding me 5-character captchas now too 09:58:41 <lewellyn> grr 09:59:06 * lewellyn is poking a qq user in france to make sure it's not just "you're a foreigner" 09:59:38 * flo doesn't understand that 10:00:11 <lewellyn> people ddos qq from outside china for whatever reason 10:00:45 <flo> oh so you think with a chinese IP there may be no captcha? 10:00:58 <lewellyn> since qq ids are very readily obtained, throwing up a captcha instead of going through the full login process is easier on the login servers. 10:01:38 <lewellyn> flo: it happens sometimes. my contacts at tencent are idle right now, else i'd ask if that's why i'm seeing captchas 10:02:09 <lewellyn> they're about a month away from releasing something new, too. i don't know what. but that may be related. 10:02:18 <lewellyn> or it may just be that the libqq plugin flagged me :D 10:08:22 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 10:08:22 <lewellyn> bah. my .fr contact's .cn girlfriend is in town. i'm betting he'll be unavailable for an hour or so ;) 10:17:03 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 10:17:29 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 10:21:08 <lewellyn> hahaha. i just noticed his qq message of "*éªæ¶çæ´é¬¼å*" or "*Evil Foreign Devil". no wonder he gets all the girls. 10:33:06 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:33:06 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:34:13 <-- clokep has quit (Connection reset by peer) 10:34:14 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:34:14 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:34:50 <flo> I'm not super happy with the shape of http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/stats/ 10:37:42 <-- douglaswth has quit (Ping timeout) 10:38:54 --> douglaswth has joined #instantbird 10:40:17 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 10:42:03 <aleth> :O has there been any feedback explaining why people leave? 10:42:19 <flo> no 10:42:30 <flo> I think people have always been leaving 10:42:32 <aleth> Maybe 1.1 will give another boost upwards 10:42:51 <aleth> and this is just a normal decay rate 10:42:55 <flo> I suspect it's rather a drop in the download rates that cause the leaving users to not be replaced 10:43:17 <flo> because nobody's been talking about us/giving download links in the last few weeks 10:44:33 <clokep> It would be nice to have feedback...but I don't think people usually give feedback unless they think it's "good enough" to use, but has a few minor annoyances. 10:44:38 <clokep> It's hard to get people to change software. 10:44:54 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 10:45:07 <aleth> You could view it positively and say most people who tried 1.0 stuck with it :) 10:45:49 <flo> aleth: I don't have a download per day chart, but I'm sure the retention rate of users keeping instantbird after downloading it has very significantly improved with 1.0. 10:46:31 <flo> my gross (and maybe completly off) estimations would say it was ~3% before and is closer to 10 now. 10:46:37 --> clokep1 has joined #instantbird 10:47:12 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 10:47:29 <aleth> That's pretty good 10:47:43 <flo> so, my Win7 VM still has 0.3pre, will it update to the very latest nightly successfully? :) 10:49:10 <aleth> One turnoff I have mentioned before is the fact that lots of add-ons/themes marked compatible with 1.0 cannot actually be installed. If you are a new user thinking "cool!! addons!" this can be disappointing and also does not appear very polished, which will wrongly be taken to reflect on IB as a whole 10:49:12 <flo> so I first get an update to the very latest 0.3pre dated from july 10:49:26 <flo> then after the update, a 1.1a1pre offer for the build of today 10:49:39 <flo> "view more information about this update" is broken, but that's not a surprised 10:50:09 <aleth> e.g. you go to the add-on site for the first time, under "most popular" you see "Blackened", you think "great" and then... 10:50:25 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 10:50:25 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 10:50:26 <flo> aleth: I think the fact that we said it was a twitter client and actually didn't work well for that in 1.0 also hurt significantly our image 10:50:35 <-- clokep1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 10:51:28 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 10:51:41 <lewellyn> and i didn't even realize it does twitter till a couple weeks ago ;) 10:51:48 <aleth> flo: 1.1 is definitely quite a significant improvement in lots of ways... much more than a bugfix release. Will be important to point that out 10:52:12 <flo> lewellyn: and you still haven't realized yet that wince isn't usable. You probably aren't the "typical" user ;). 10:52:53 <lewellyn> flo: it's probably less useful without PB + BSPs ;) 10:52:55 <aleth> lewellyn: wince just follows its literal meaning ;) 10:53:28 <lewellyn> why not number it 1.5 btw, so it has more impact than "just a bugfix"? 10:53:56 <flo> or 2.0, so that each new version has a new major version number ;) 10:54:26 <lewellyn> just like firefox! ;) 10:54:53 <aleth> ssh! firefox doesn't have version numbers anymore! ;) 10:54:56 <flo> really? They got that idea before us? :-O 10:55:25 <lewellyn> you know, i just realized something! 10:55:42 <lewellyn> instantbird will never be seen as a "real" irc client until it has "Now Playing" functionality! ;) 10:55:57 <flo> it's planned ;) 10:56:04 <flo> maybe not for IRC though 10:56:05 <lewellyn> oh god :( 10:56:19 <lewellyn> oh! for irc make it the /away message :D 10:56:36 <flo> how is this handled for IRC by "real" irc clients ? :-D 10:56:40 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 10:57:06 <lewellyn> people write scripts to emit what they're listening to with mirc/ansi colors and unicode decorations :( 10:57:10 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 10:57:13 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 10:57:27 <lewellyn> i find it a reason to set mode +b ;) 10:58:39 <flo> uh, why has bug 872 been left in the unconfirmed state? :( 10:58:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=872 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Incorrect text on "Get Add-ons" page 10:58:49 <flo> it's probably a blocker :( 11:00:09 <flo> "DOM Inspector is incompatible with Instantbird 1.1a1pre" :( 11:02:07 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 11:02:31 <flo> is there anything left to do in bug 986 and bug 979 for Windows? 11:02:33 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 11:02:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=986 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, OS specific theming for "unread count" 11:02:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=979 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Fix look for "Hidden conversations" /"Contacts" contact list sections and their headers 11:03:21 <flo> looking at the current nightly in my Win7 VM doesn't look uglier than looking at other win7 applications 11:03:36 <flo> s/win7 applications/windows applications on win7/ 11:04:39 <FeuerFliege> flo: I uploaded a new version yesterday or so 11:04:50 <flo> of DOMi? 11:04:53 <FeuerFliege> flo: re: DOM Inspector 11:04:55 <FeuerFliege> yes 11:05:03 <flo> does it need a review or something? 11:05:06 <FeuerFliege> it is currently âIn Sandbox; Pending Reviewâ 11:05:14 <flo> that sucks :-D 11:05:35 <FeuerFliege> it is just a max-version change. 11:06:06 <flo> do you need to upload a new file for that? 11:06:35 <FeuerFliege> is it possilble to change that without uploading a new file? 11:06:38 <flo> sure 11:06:56 <flo> just go to "Versions and Files" and change it :) 11:07:07 <flo> maxVersion changes don't need review ;) 11:08:26 <FeuerFliege> well ok. I deleted the uploaded version and changed the max-version on the website. 11:08:41 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 11:08:45 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 11:08:58 <flo> lunch time 11:11:35 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 11:11:36 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 11:12:00 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 11:12:02 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 11:12:21 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 11:16:11 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 11:21:56 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 1026 to FIXED. 11:21:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1026 nor, --, 1.1a1, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Email addresses are filtered out of conversations content 11:29:32 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 11:57:13 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 11:57:13 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 12:00:26 <flo> Mic: hello. I'm confused on what's left to do w.r.t Windows theming and conversations on hold. Could you comment on the bug(s) to state clearly what needs to be done? 12:02:50 <flo> it seems none of the outstanding bugs we still have for 1.1 requires string changes. Should we announce a string freeze tomorrow? (I assume that would be enough time to let lewellyn ping whoever he needed to determine if the QQ changes are of any value and if we should commit the new QQ strings) 12:03:44 <flo> I think translators tend to have more free time to work on their translations during week-ends, so a Friday is probably a good time for announcing a string freeze 12:07:16 <lewellyn> flo: tbh, it seems libqq is the way forward, regardless. 12:07:34 <lewellyn> even if it doesn't quite work by 1.1, it likely isn't going to be replaced post-1.1 12:07:53 <flo> the libpurple way is dead anyway 12:08:28 <lewellyn> yup. and i don't think anyone's gonna deal with that protocol in javascript, and it doesn't make sense to fracture the work. 12:08:41 <lewellyn> best to get changes into libqq so everyone can benefit. 12:09:14 <lewellyn> so the net effect, as a worst case, is that qq is perceptibly the same to users in 1.1 but there are new strings for when it finally works ;) 12:15:17 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 12:22:03 <flo> yeah, that makes sense. 12:22:30 <flo> I just dislike sending strings to translators when I have no clue of where they are going to be displayed (or suspect they won't be displayed at all). 12:23:38 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 12:24:10 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 12:25:19 <lewellyn> yeah. but it's better than "don't translate this yet! but translate this other stuff!" then having "this" translateable a week later, knowing all along it'd likely be needed :/ 12:26:18 <flo> lewellyn: I don't understand that point. If we don't do it now, it will be batched with the strings from the next libpurple update. 12:26:40 <lewellyn> ok. i don't know what you guys have planned. :) 12:26:57 <lewellyn> but if it'd be a special translation effort in just a matter of days, it seems silly :) 12:26:58 <flo> I don't know if there'll be another libpurple update soon. 12:27:11 <flo> they are working on 3.0 so it may take months before something get released on that side 12:27:58 <flo> the changes are 27 insertions(+), 39 deletions(-) 12:28:48 <flo> -needsAuthorization=%u needs authorization 12:28:48 <flo> +needsAuthorization=%s needs authorization 12:28:49 <flo> That change sucks :( 12:29:10 <lewellyn> yeah. perhaps we can fix up some of those things tomorrow if nothing else :) 12:30:32 <flo> it would be nice to know if the code, as is, can connected at all. 12:31:00 <flo> if it can't, the good decision would probably be to stop shipping it until it's fixed. 12:37:17 <lewellyn> yeah. tomorrow i'll look. :) 12:45:44 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 12:46:14 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 12:46:21 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird 12:56:09 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 12:59:08 <DGMurdockIII> or look to adum 12:59:28 <DGMurdockIII> adium i think they suport QQ and it works 13:01:57 <DGMurdockIII> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lumaqqproject/ 13:06:52 <DGMurdockIII> As mentioned above, this is fixed upstream in Pidgin. 13:06:52 <DGMurdockIII> In order to use QQ, you need to force your client version to be 2008. Pidgin allows this in its latest version, and libpurple apparently has support for forcing the QQ protocol version. 13:06:52 <DGMurdockIII> In order to restore QQ functionality, all Adium needs to do is allow the user to specify the client version, as Pidgin does. It would also be sensible to default to QQ 2008, as previous versions do not work at the moment for many users. 13:09:07 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 13:10:34 <lewellyn> adium hasn't supported qq since anyone else has. 13:10:35 <flo> DGMurdockIII: just in case you haven't looked at your calendar recently, we are in 2011, not 2008 ;). 13:10:46 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 13:10:59 <lewellyn> part of my motivation for qq in instantbird is to grab unhappy mac users ;) 13:11:13 <lewellyn> the mac qq client is deficient :( 13:11:17 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 13:11:34 <flo> do we have a Chinese locale? 13:11:51 <lewellyn> i don't know. 13:12:09 <DGMurdockIII> having QQ support would help get one if there isnt one 13:12:27 <flo> hmm, we have https://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/zh-TW/ but I don't know how close to being complete it is 13:12:34 <flo> https://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/zh-CN/ is empty 13:12:36 <lewellyn> that's the wrong chinese :( 13:12:59 <flo> "wrong chinese"? 13:13:05 <lewellyn> traditional vs simplified 13:13:20 <lewellyn> TW is traditional, CN is simplified 13:13:52 <lewellyn> i'll package it up for solaris once qq support works and get some people to poke at it and hopefully commit to some translations :) 13:14:18 <DGMurdockIII> I thought tw was Taiwan 13:14:47 <lewellyn> DGMurdockIII: yes. and they use the traditional characters, as opposed to the mainland. 13:14:56 <FeuerFliege> DGMurdockIII: donât start the whose-china-is-the-real-china game ;) 13:15:17 <DGMurdockIII> can anyone tell me how i can turn off the beping in mirc when i get a message 13:15:22 <DGMurdockIII> sent to me 13:15:25 <lewellyn> FeuerFliege: the bigger china will always win. they have some really cute girls in their military! ;) 13:17:11 <flo> DGMurdockIII: use Instantbird instead of mirc :-P 13:17:30 <DGMurdockIII> k 13:18:27 <lewellyn> flo: how do you turn off the dinging when you get highlighted in instantbird? ;) 13:18:30 * lewellyn ducks 13:18:40 <flo> lewellyn: you can turn of all messaging sounds 13:18:58 <lewellyn> yeah. that's not the same though. we've been through this. :) 13:19:01 <flo> or if you are an add-on developer, play with our shiny new interruption manager ;) 13:19:22 <flo> probably less than 10 lines of code 13:35:37 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 13:36:19 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 13:42:21 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 13:44:13 <-- jb has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 13:44:15 --> jb has joined #instantbird 13:54:38 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 13:55:49 <-- waynenguyen has left #instantbird () 13:56:06 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 13:56:09 --> jb has joined #instantbird 14:07:47 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 14:08:23 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 14:24:28 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 14:49:57 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 14:50:39 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 15:17:36 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 15:18:19 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 15:23:06 <-- ecaron has left #instantbird () 15:39:23 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 15:39:26 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied!  :: core-networks.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 15:39:55 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 15:55:36 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:55:50 --> Kagami has joined #instantbird 16:03:04 <-- Andrey has quit (Quit: ) 16:03:06 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 16:04:29 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:06:48 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 16:13:18 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 16:18:25 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 16:26:18 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 16:27:05 <-- hunsly has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:32:15 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 16:33:31 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 16:34:41 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 16:41:49 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 16:42:20 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:44:40 --> Jocelyn has joined #instantbird 16:49:02 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 16:49:23 <-- Jocelyn has left #instantbird () 16:49:40 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 16:56:16 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 16:56:48 <-- jb has left #instantbird () 17:12:02 --> jb has joined #instantbird 17:13:05 --> myk has joined #instantbird 17:15:22 --> Jocelyn has joined #instantbird 17:15:36 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 17:16:10 <-- Mad_Maks has quit (Ping timeout) 17:16:13 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 17:17:03 <flo> http://blog.kylehuey.com/post/10809692134/using-xhr-onload-etc-in-addons (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687332) probably means we have something to fix here http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/src/http.jsm#59 before upgrading to moz10. 17:17:53 <Mook_as> https://blog.mozilla.com/mwu/2011/09/29/mozilla-central-now-with-88-7-less-prbool/ might make for some crying as well 17:19:09 <flo> Mook_as: but I would expact that to be very visible in the compile log ;) 17:19:17 <flo> *expect 17:19:17 <Mook_as> heh, true 17:19:26 <Jocelyn> Hi, I need help with a registry question ... can anyone help me with it please ? 17:20:27 * Mook_as somehow assumes that means nsIWindowsRegKey 17:20:46 <flo> isn't it about the domain name registries? 17:21:09 <flo> seriously though, Jocelyn, we can't help you if you don't ask your question ;) 17:29:01 <Jocelyn> Hi Mook_as ... yes, my problem is my AntiVirus is trying to force me to upgrade to a later version, however the newer version really bogs down my system ... I'm finding that the AntiVirus company is deleting my uninstall key for the AntiVirus ... so I've had to copy the uninstall key to re-import it back to the registry ... I understand that one can restrict permissions to the registry but... 17:29:03 <Jocelyn> ...I'm not exactly clear on how to do it ... I've tried searching for tutorials on how to do this on the net but it's not very clear to me how I would go about doing this ... I would like to restrict the AntiVirus from deleting the uninstall key ... 17:29:38 <flo> how is this related to Instantbird? 17:30:27 <Jocelyn> Um, it's not ... I needed help and I was hoping someone could help me with this ... 17:31:28 <lewellyn> it sounds like you should be contacting your antivirus vendor's support not the channel regarding an instant meseenger. 17:32:31 <Jocelyn> Yes, but I don't think I'd get any help from them as they are the ones trying to force me to upgrade to the later version ... 17:41:11 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:41:11 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 17:41:17 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 17:41:41 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:41:41 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 17:50:55 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 17:53:01 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:53:01 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 17:55:40 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 17:56:16 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 17:57:29 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 17:58:23 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 18:02:56 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 854 to bug 979. 18:02:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=979 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Fix look for "Hidden conversations" /"Contacts" contact list sections and their headers 18:04:07 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 18:05:39 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 855 to bug 979. 18:05:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=979 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Fix look for "Hidden conversations" /"Contacts" contact list sections and their headers 18:15:09 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 18:15:47 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 18:17:18 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 18:22:18 <-- Jocelyn has left #instantbird () 18:22:31 <-- mmkmou has left #instantbird () 18:39:33 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 18:40:20 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 18:40:59 --> jb has joined #instantbird 18:42:48 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 18:51:04 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 19:04:13 --> flo has joined #instantbird 19:04:13 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 19:05:11 <flo> lewellyn: I've just had an unexpected opportunity to talk to 2 QQ users. 19:05:24 <lewellyn> woo 19:05:31 <flo> Apparently, even with the official client, they have to enter captcha each time they connect from a different machine or different browser. 19:05:55 <flo> so a captcha is probably required each time the IP is different, + each time cookies are no longer found (in the website case). 19:08:00 <lewellyn> yeah. the fact that i have to enter a captcha each time i sign in from the client is new though. 19:08:02 <flo> for the unexpected opportunity: I was talking with a friend, his phone rang, he started talking on the phone and the conversation went "blahblahblahblah... yeah, ok, we will talk about it on QQ this evening, ok? ... Ok, bye." 19:08:42 <lewellyn> yeah, chinese expect everyone they do business with to at least have qq available :) 19:08:43 <flo> the Chinese girl who was with him said she has to enter captchas very often 19:08:53 <lewellyn> yeah. often != constantly. 19:08:57 <lewellyn> i'm used to it every few days 19:09:22 <aleth> sounds really annoying! 19:09:37 <lewellyn> especially if i have my phone turned off... ;) (i have the wrong password in outlook on my phone and i haven't bothered updating it to the latest yet) 19:09:49 <flo> entering a captcha for each login sounds like the crappiest IM experience we could imagine ;) 19:10:30 <lewellyn> aleth: it prevents bots, if there's been enough "change" or "suspicious activity" or "too much time between logins" or "it's been a while since we've presented one" 19:10:54 <lewellyn> what with 1M+ users on qq at any time, i get *very* little spam, so their methods seem fairly effective :) 19:11:30 <flo> how much money do you think we could make with a service handling captchas correctly for bots? 19:11:35 <lewellyn> unlike with aim/msn/icq where a couple times per day i get an im from someone not in my list who is all "hi, do i know you? i'm 24/female/new york. you?" or such. 19:11:36 <flo> it's not very complicated 19:12:02 <lewellyn> flo: i like connecting to services, so i hope auto-captcha doesn't end up in qq ;) 19:12:24 <flo> jsut find the country with the lowest hourly rate but some internet access (even if you have to do it with some satellite access), hire a few thousand people, and make them type captchas days and night for the bot's usage ;) 19:12:51 <lewellyn> also, as for protocols, note that their old qq protocol they use for things like their ce client still works. but no one's bothered reverse-engineering that one. and it doesn't do captchas :) 19:13:00 <Mook_as> flo: wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to just start a porn site? 19:13:22 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 19:13:38 <flo> Mook_as: hmm, you mean people would have to type the captcha we need the solution for before accessing their porn? 19:13:43 <lewellyn> so on my phone and netbook, i don't see qq captchas. but i invariably get one the next time i connect from the desktop. 19:13:47 <Mook_as> flo: yep! 19:13:51 <flo> sounds a bit like Google's recapatch thing :-D 19:14:03 <lewellyn> the old protocol also doesn't allow multiple logins :( that's new in qq2010 19:14:30 <lewellyn> tencent is very good at adopting features from competitors :) 19:14:46 <flo> Mook_as: hmm, should we use a porn site to fund Instantbird's development? ;) 19:15:45 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 19:17:15 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 19:17:53 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 19:20:59 --> harlock has joined #instantbird 19:22:02 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 19:41:09 <-- harlock has quit (Ping timeout) 19:41:16 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 19:41:55 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 19:43:42 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 19:54:57 --> em3 has joined #instantbird 19:55:36 <em3> Hi, 19:55:36 <em3> I can't find english dictionary in add-ons. 20:00:03 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:01:01 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 20:01:27 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 20:04:21 --> harlock has joined #instantbird 20:07:51 <-- em3 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 20:11:03 <-- harlock has quit (Ping timeout) 20:11:31 --> harlock has joined #instantbird 20:15:09 <lewellyn> so... my gf is finally using instantbird... :) 20:15:41 <lewellyn> she's on osx and setting alwaysclose to false still /part's when she closes a tab for irc :( 20:15:55 <lewellyn> it doesn't happen for me on windows though. 20:16:15 <lewellyn> what else useful can be done to figure this out short of having her join? 20:22:08 <flo> Check that she has a recent nightly (check the build id in the about dialog) 20:22:34 <flo> and alwaysClose is now the default, so if you asked her to toggle it in about:config without specifying the value, you just asked her to disable it 20:23:03 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 20:23:18 <lewellyn> we just downloaded the latest nightly, and i had her toggle it when she reported the behavior before i knew it was now default :/ 20:23:22 <lewellyn> so now it's back at default 20:23:30 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 20:24:00 <flo> "when she reported the behavior"? 20:24:17 <lewellyn> to me 20:24:36 <lewellyn> "i can't close the window and it stays in the channel!" 20:25:02 <flo> oh ok :) 20:26:01 <flo> note that user support requires a fair bit of guessing, as you said you set it *to false* ;) 20:27:44 <lewellyn> yes. it was at false, then set to true, then set to false :) 20:27:59 <lewellyn> so the end result was that my statement is correct ;) 20:29:04 <flo> "it was at false, then set to true, then set to false" sounds like a zero-sum game ;) 20:31:38 <lewellyn> yes 20:31:47 <lewellyn> because i wasn't at her machine and told her to toggle it :) 20:35:30 <flo> Good night :) 20:35:33 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 20:36:15 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 20:46:19 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 20:46:36 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 20:47:10 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 20:48:02 --> jb has joined #instantbird 20:53:22 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 20:55:26 --> romonster has joined #instantbird 20:56:23 <lewellyn> aw flo left :( 20:56:29 <lewellyn> just as i got romonster in here too :) 20:57:09 <aleth> he reads the logs... 20:57:21 <lewellyn> yeah. but that won't help while ro's here :) 20:57:40 <aleth> wait for clokep? ;) 20:57:45 <lewellyn> she's currently hunting for a theme that doesn't annoy her ;) 20:58:02 <lewellyn> i got her Stratini Black as an appearance, but it's not quite "right" with 1.1pre 20:58:11 <aleth> am using minimal 2 at the moment 20:58:21 <lewellyn> romonster: --^ 20:58:25 <aleth> but lots of the themes in the add-on manager need a bit of tweaking 20:58:44 <lewellyn> yeah. i showed her how to repack the xpi 20:58:56 <lewellyn> that's as much as i'm doing till she settles on things ;) 20:59:06 <aleth> :) 20:59:09 <Mook_as> she's on a nightly? 20:59:21 <lewellyn> she was complaining that the default themes wouldn't honor her fonts, too 20:59:31 <lewellyn> Mook_as: i hope so. i left the nightly page up for her to download from :) 20:59:55 <aleth> some of the older themes have small bugs too 21:00:04 <Mook_as> check the about dialog? 21:00:06 <romonster> i closed it, i thought you had just left it there 21:00:06 <lewellyn> aleth: yeah. someone needs to go through them all :/ 21:00:13 <aleth> but if you find one you like they are easily fixed 21:00:14 <lewellyn> romonster: oh! so you're not on a nightly!? 21:00:19 <lewellyn> that explains a lot 21:00:26 <romonster> yes i am 21:00:31 <lewellyn> ok 21:00:37 <romonster> it sucks 21:00:48 <Mook_as> okay, _which_ nightly? that might be more specific :) 21:01:21 <lewellyn> all i know is that i can't get hidden conversations working for her, which is mildly irritating 21:01:37 <aleth> also strange 21:01:38 <romonster> no idea, whatever i downloaded about half an hour ago 21:01:46 <lewellyn> romonster: check the about dialog 21:01:50 <aleth> they are on by default now afaik 21:02:11 <lewellyn> aleth: the setting indicated so, yes. 21:02:24 <lewellyn> hm. ctcp version responses look funny in instantbird :( 21:02:38 <romonster> what am i looking for in the about box? 21:02:40 <lewellyn> er. at least instantbird's does! 21:02:49 <lewellyn> romonster: a long string with a date embedded 21:03:13 <romonster> not retyping all that 21:03:28 <lewellyn> copy and paste 21:03:39 <lewellyn> version 1.1a1pre (20110929041644) for example 21:03:50 <aleth> there isnt really a way she could have got an old nightly, is there? 21:04:00 <lewellyn> i'd hope not. 21:04:02 <romonster> can't, it won't even allow me to select the text, let alone copy 21:04:12 * lewellyn will wander over there 21:05:06 <Mook_as> you might be able to open about:support to copy from, too 21:05:07 <romonster> version 1.1a1pre (20110929041130) 21:08:56 <-- romonster has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 21:09:22 --> romonster has joined #instantbird 21:10:00 <-- harlock has quit (Ping timeout) 21:11:54 --> harlock has joined #instantbird 21:12:07 <-- harlock has quit (Quit: Baibai) 21:13:07 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 21:13:46 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 21:13:50 <-- romonster has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 21:14:04 --> romonster has joined #instantbird 21:15:00 <-- romonster has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 21:16:19 <lewellyn> apparently stratini black doesn't have a search box in the add-ons manager :/ 21:16:55 <aleth> probably hasnt been updated in yonks? 21:17:37 --> romonster has joined #instantbird 21:18:05 <aleth> personally I prefer the OS to do the theming... 21:18:26 <lewellyn> yeah. she's back at default appearance now. stratini black is ancient and broken :/ 21:19:11 <lewellyn> like half my extensions are disabled. i should fix that at some point 21:19:15 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 21:19:15 <aleth> message styles are more interesting to change anyway 21:19:38 <lewellyn> there's something to be said for the message style and appearance matching :) 21:19:38 <aleth> though there are a lot of features that only exist in bubbles 21:20:02 <aleth> But putting together a really polished theme is lots of work 21:20:03 <lewellyn> i wouldn't know since i can't stand white backgrounds when i can help it :/ 21:20:38 <aleth> lewellyn: you could write bubbles-dark ;) 21:21:15 <lewellyn> ETIME 21:21:58 <aleth> always the problem... 21:22:42 <lewellyn> she's convinced instantbird is broken, it seems :/ 21:23:19 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird () 21:25:51 <aleth> flo and clokep might be interested to know exactly where she ran into problems... 21:27:20 <lewellyn> yeah. if she'll actually elaborate upon them in here :/ 21:27:31 <lewellyn> the whole /part when closing a tab is awfully annoying though 21:27:47 <lewellyn> i don't know why she's seeing it :( 21:28:14 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 21:30:37 <romonster> well, it is broken because it won't let me control the appearance, and some of the preferences just display blank windows, and the keystroke to change tabs is funky, and you have to use that silly config editor 21:30:54 <-- ecaron has left #instantbird () 21:31:09 <romonster> and you have to restart it to update the appearance at all 21:31:12 <lewellyn> the config editor was just to change something i didn't know was now default 21:32:01 <romonster> and there is no way to use the system color picker, you're stuck with those stupid windows-style boxes of limited color choices 21:32:34 <romonster> basically it doesn't behave like a proper app 21:34:24 <romonster> part when closing a tab is fine, but not having any way to reopen the tab without restarting the app is not fine 21:34:38 <lewellyn> file -> join chat, here 21:36:54 <romonster> i asked you before and you didn't tell me that 21:37:14 <romonster> also, wtf is up with cmd-I to join a chat? 21:38:25 <aleth> heh. good point 21:39:00 <aleth> I keep hitting cmd-J too... 21:39:49 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 21:39:51 <romonster> mhm 21:54:04 <lewellyn> romonster: i didn't know where to look. as i said, my windows pop up automatically when i connect thanks to irssiproxy :/ 21:54:32 <aleth> IB does have auto-join 21:54:48 <lewellyn> aleth: yeah. but if conversations don't hide, you have to rejoin 21:54:49 <aleth> e.g. in Accounts -> Properties 21:55:12 <aleth> lewellyn: yes, that conversations not hiding thing is weird 21:55:52 <aleth> What happens when doing it explicitly (tab context menu -> put conv on hold)? 21:56:08 <lewellyn> you'll have to wait for romonster to return to her computer to find out :) 21:56:24 <aleth> ah i thought you were colocated ;) 21:56:32 --> ironhead has joined #instantbird 21:57:00 <lewellyn> yes. but my office isn't quite near her desk :) 21:57:03 <romonster> well that apparently works, though i had to look pretty hard to find the context menu 21:59:19 <aleth> that's because of bug 859 21:59:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=859 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add context menu to 'conv-top' 22:00:40 <aleth> romonster: it's still strange that conversations don't go on hold when you close a tab, because that is the default 22:08:15 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 22:08:51 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 22:18:03 <lewellyn> and something i wish flo had stuck around for ;) 22:23:50 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 22:27:15 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 22:27:51 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:28:58 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 22:30:20 <rikki> if anybody is interested IB crashed after running for 13 days, but i doubt its your code as it was complaining about unresposive scripts 22:34:14 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 22:34:59 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 22:38:57 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 22:53:05 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout) 22:55:02 --> myk has joined #instantbird 22:56:10 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 22:56:36 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 22:58:34 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout) 23:04:24 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 23:12:12 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 23:16:15 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 23:19:28 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 23:20:08 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 23:20:54 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 23:42:37 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 23:42:56 <-- ironhead has quit (Ping timeout) 23:43:01 --> myk has joined #instantbird 23:43:10 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 23:45:09 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:45:10 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 23:52:15 <clokep> lewellyn: What's funny about CTCP version? Worked OK last time I checked. 23:52:33 <clokep> The maintainer of Stratini Black updates it every so often. (patrickjdempsy I believe?) 23:53:05 <Mook_as> hmm, your /version response doesn't actually include the version 23:53:58 <clokep> Mook_as: Most (smart) IRC clients don't, it's perceived as a security risk. 23:54:16 <Mook_as> aww 23:54:38 <clokep> :P 23:54:54 <clokep> Ctrl+J isn't used for join chat for some reason...flo would know, he's saving it for something but I forget what. 23:55:13 <clokep> romonster: "some of the preferences just display blank windows", what does that mean? 23:55:21 <clokep> The tab changing keystroke (Ctrl + Tab) is very standard. 23:56:13 <clokep> rikki: If you have the crash log we might be interested. ;) 23:56:30 <clokep> And I'd like to know why hiding isn't working properly as well.