#instantbird log on 09 02 2011

All times are UTC.

00:01:11 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
00:01:17 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
00:02:55 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
00:02:59 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
00:04:47 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
00:04:53 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
00:06:58 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
00:07:07 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
00:08:28 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
00:08:33 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
00:09:19 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
00:09:22 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
00:11:22 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
00:11:32 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
00:17:02 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
00:17:33 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
00:25:42 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
00:28:25 --> clokep has joined #instantbird
00:28:25 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 
00:29:02 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
00:38:14 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
00:40:43 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout)
00:41:26 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
00:41:42 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird
00:42:04 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
00:43:05 <-- Mook_as has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.13/20101203074205])
00:44:42 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird
00:49:47 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout)
00:49:54 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird
00:55:06 <-- micahg_ has quit (Ping timeout)
00:56:51 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout)
00:56:52 --> micahg_ has joined #instantbird
00:57:28 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird
01:11:31 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
01:12:03 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
01:19:11 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout)
01:20:24 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird
01:35:25 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout)
01:35:44 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird
01:37:18 --> Mook has joined #instantbird
01:37:52 <-- werwolf has quit (Ping timeout)
01:44:21 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
01:45:07 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
01:59:03 <-- Mook has quit (NickServ (GHOST command used by Mook_))
01:59:05 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird
01:59:38 --> Mook has joined #instantbird
02:13:46 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
02:14:10 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
02:16:27 <-- MattATobin has quit (Connection reset by peer)
02:16:40 --> Nitrox_ has joined #instantbird
02:16:42 --> MattATobin has joined #instantbird
02:17:23 <-- Nitrox has quit (Ping timeout)
02:17:37 --> BinaryOutcast has joined #instantbird
02:17:47 --> Nitrox__ has joined #instantbird
02:17:57 <-- clokep has left #instantbird ()
02:18:30 <-- Nitrox_ has quit (Ping timeout)
02:18:30 <-- MattATobin has quit (Ping timeout)
02:27:05 <-- werwolf has quit (Ping timeout)
02:27:57 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird
02:32:28 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout)
02:34:12 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
02:34:40 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
02:46:13 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird ()
02:49:37 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird
02:49:51 <-- mmkmou has left #instantbird ()
02:57:25 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
02:58:11 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
03:16:34 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
03:17:11 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
03:40:36 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
03:41:11 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
03:47:48 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird
04:11:07 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
04:11:41 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
04:15:04 <-- werwolf has quit (Ping timeout)
04:25:03 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird
04:26:39 <-- werwolf has quit (Quit: '< auuuuuuuuuuuuuuu)
04:30:09 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
04:30:43 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
04:53:03 <-- Mook has quit (Connection reset by peer)
04:54:48 --> Mook has joined #instantbird
05:06:15 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
05:06:42 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
05:12:41 <-- Mook has quit (Ping timeout)
05:13:09 --> Mook has joined #instantbird
05:26:13 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
05:26:42 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
05:36:27 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! • :: core-networks.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::)
05:43:05 <-- Mook has quit (NickServ (GHOST command used by Mook_))
05:43:44 --> Mook has joined #instantbird
05:55:35 * Nitrox__ is now known as Nitrox
05:57:17 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
05:57:50 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird ()
06:09:49 <-- Mook has quit (Ping timeout)
06:11:04 --> Mook has joined #instantbird
06:15:39 --> CGI241 has joined #instantbird
06:19:27 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Client exited)
06:20:09 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
06:20:29 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird
06:20:43 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
06:21:59 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout)
06:26:03 <CGI241> anyone using douglaswth's inputhistory plugin? could you please check if pressing the up arrow takes the cursor to the end like it does for the down arrow?
06:26:11 * CGI241 is now known as Utkarsh
06:34:42 <-- Mook has quit (Ping timeout)
06:36:16 --> Mook has joined #instantbird
06:42:48 --> jb has joined #instantbird
06:44:09 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird
06:44:46 --> mokush has joined #instantbird
06:47:57 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
06:48:43 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
06:53:29 <douglaswth> Utkarsh: what exactly is the problem?
07:00:31 <-- Utkarsh has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF))
07:03:06 --> CGI241 has joined #instantbird
07:03:13 * CGI241 is now known as Utkarsh
07:03:19 <Utkarsh> douglaswth: I made a slight change to make it work on OSX (ctrl up defaults to some other function in osx). https://github.com/utkarshkukreti/inputhistory/commit/b285196a53de71aac56ae677e087fb7917d91810 Not sure if that's the cause of the problem. If I press the up arrow, my cursor is positioned at the starting of the text, instead of the end.
07:05:42 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
07:06:50 <-- Mook has quit (Ping timeout)
07:07:29 --> Mook has joined #instantbird
07:08:26 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
07:09:13 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
07:10:30 <douglaswth> hmm, I get the end of line either way on windows, I haven't tried it on a mac; I don't think your change should affect that though
07:15:44 <-- Utkarsh has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC)
07:15:47 --> CGI241 has joined #instantbird
07:15:58 * CGI241 is now known as Utkarsh
07:16:21 <Utkarsh> strange. I'm unable to test your stock plugin as I'm unsure how to disable the ctrl-up behaviour. Will check it out later. Thanks.
07:20:11 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird
07:28:39 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: zzz)
07:29:02 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
07:29:43 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
07:43:32 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird
07:47:03 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
07:48:18 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
07:48:43 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
08:00:38 <-- Utkarsh has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF))
08:10:46 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
08:11:13 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
08:17:07 --> Mic has joined #instantbird
08:17:07 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 
08:18:23 --> mistraven has joined #instantbird
08:18:37 <-- mistraven has left #instantbird ()
08:20:29 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout)
08:25:16 --> rikki has joined #instantbird
08:29:46 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
08:30:13 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
08:30:31 --> flo has joined #instantbird
08:30:31 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 
08:32:09 --> Mad_Maks has joined #instantbird
08:39:05 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird
08:47:31 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird
08:52:35 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 799 on bug 902.
08:52:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=902 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Could not read chrome manifest file '[...]\extensions\{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}\chrome.
08:56:37 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
08:57:14 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
09:03:55 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 802 to bug 1012.
09:03:56 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from benediktp@ymail.com  for attachment 802 on bug 1012.
09:03:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1012 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Regression: missing borders on the contact list
09:04:55 <-- Mad_Maks has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
09:05:26 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
09:07:54 --> Mad_Maks has joined #instantbird
09:18:11 <Mad_Maks> is there a way (theme?) to see in IRC who is active or away (like in chatzilla somebody who is away is light grey)
09:20:11 <Mad_Maks> and is there a bug allready for adding to the tab contextmenu 'open at startup' (also like chatzilla)
09:22:53 <flo> Mad_Maks: maybe bug 802 is what you are looking for
09:22:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=802 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Auto-join context menu item
09:25:14 <flo> and maybe bug 613. (for active or away). clokep would know better if something is planned for this :)
09:25:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Presence information on IRC
09:26:29 <aleth> flo: what did you think about the outline-only idea for theming context bubbles?
09:26:52 <flo> that I don't want to double the count of indicator images.
09:26:54 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird
09:26:58 <Mad_Maks> 802 is the one think
09:27:09 <aleth> heh :)
09:27:32 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
09:28:14 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
09:30:08 <Mad_Maks> and 613 to
09:47:39 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
09:48:14 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
09:51:22 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird
09:56:17 <flo> I'm emailing the people who asked about Sametime on the contact mailing list, in the hope that at least one of them will test a nightly and confirm that bug 102 is actually fixed :)
09:56:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102 enh, --, 1.1a1, clokep, RESO FIXED, (Re-)Add support for the Sametime protocol.
10:15:20 --> clokep has joined #instantbird
10:15:21 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 
10:17:33 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
10:18:14 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
10:20:16 <clokep> Ah, good idea flo (the individual emails).
10:21:33 <clokep> Mad_Maks: I don't think libpurple supports chat participants being away, but I haven't looked in a while and my memory is a bit shaky on the subject. I'd like to support that though in a similar way (away gets grayed out or has an icon next to them, etc.)
10:22:05 <flo> clokep: isn't that the thing they have recently added to the irc prpl that caused several regressions?
10:22:33 <clokep> flo: Maybe it was, I thought that was just about checking if people were online in a different way.
10:25:15 <clokep> Now we won't have that manifest bug as the first thing people send us when we ask them to check their error console. ;)
10:25:47 <-- Andrey has quit (Quit: )
10:27:11 <-- mokush has quit (Client exited)
10:28:06 <flo> yeah, we could even do some more cleanup
10:31:58 <clokep> Hah, I just went to check my error console and had like 50 messages from JS-IRC logger...I should shut that off. ;)
10:32:46 <clokep> colorize, highlight and shownick should get rid of the xpcnativewrappers...that's an easy fix. :)
10:33:14 <clokep> Unfortunately 90% of the things in there are libpurple garbage. :-/
10:34:58 <flo> I'm a bit tired of seing: |observe name = /| (@prefs: purple_prefs_observe) followed by |/ changed, scheduling save.| (@prefs: prefs_save_cb)
10:35:14 <flo> we can probably #if 0-out that code
10:36:08 <clokep> I don't remember ever seeing that one...
10:36:31 <clokep> On my debug build I'm tired of seeing that FIXME one we were talking about earlier (from having no unknown protocol handler, I think).
10:37:02 <flo> only that line needs to go: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libpurple/prefs.c#312
10:37:20 <flo> basically, libpurple observes all pref changes, and then adds a timer to save its prefs.xml file
10:39:21 <flo> hm, the save uiops isn't a no-op though http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/src/purpleInit.cpp#416
10:39:25 <clokep> Ah, but the Mozilla preference system handles that for us I imagine.
10:39:32 <flo> but I suspect Mozilla also saves the pref file to disk periodically
10:40:27 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
10:41:14 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
10:44:49 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 803 to bug 929.
10:44:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=929 min, --, 1.1a1, mmkmou, REOP, Add keyboard shortcuts to menu
10:44:54 <flo> I'm annoyed by bug 929.
10:45:28 <flo> It seems to be the only thing that would prevent us from releasing the current nightlies if we wanted to.
10:47:01 <-- flo has quit (Input/output error)
10:47:18 --> flo has joined #instantbird
10:47:18 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 
10:49:24 <clokep> :-/
10:53:02 <Mic> Can we define another command for the keys with the same shortcut keys and check "on command" if the command should be executed or not?
10:53:33 <Mic> (i.e. never disabling the one for the shortcut keys and the other one would merely serve to show the keys on the menu item?)
10:53:46 <Mic> Another hack, I admit.
10:55:42 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1013 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
10:55:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1013 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, A less obtrusive way to display NickServ/ChanServ IRC messages
10:56:31 <clokep> Hmm...I thought we had a bug on that...
10:56:37 <clokep> But time for work I'll check it later.
10:56:40 <-- clokep has left #instantbird ()
10:56:52 <aleth> I searched but did not find...
10:59:59 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
11:00:46 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
11:28:09 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird
11:28:09 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 
11:28:39 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
11:31:09 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
11:31:47 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
11:38:35 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
11:42:39 <clokep_work> aleth: You're right, we don't. I think flo and I have just discussed/ranted about how it's annoying.
11:44:15 <aleth> It's hard to come up with an elegant solution
11:44:37 <aleth> IRC is just generally a bit messy as a protocol I guess
11:44:59 <clokep_work> Yes, I've done rants/blog posts. :P
11:45:56 <flo> we can't "get it right", but we can at least get it out of our way :)
11:46:18 <aleth> yes :)
11:46:36 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com granted review for attachment 802 on bug 1012.
11:46:37 --> Mic has joined #instantbird
11:46:37 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 
11:46:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1012 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Regression: missing borders on the contact list
11:46:54 <clokep_work> To get it right we'd need to have handlers for each type of services...I'd liek to at least support the two most common ones (maybe as extensions).
11:47:06 <flo> Mic: yeah, that's another ugly hack, but at least the user-visible behavior would be right. If you implement it I'll likely accept it :)
11:47:36 * clokep_work has actually made the sand/gravel/concrete.mozilla.org with js-proto helper. :(
11:48:04 <clokep_work> s/js-proto helper/js-irc/
11:50:44 <flo> should that become \w+.mozilla.org? :-D
11:51:33 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
11:52:17 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
11:54:17 <Mic> Maybe we'll need something like ABP that blacklists certain messages/patterns/behaviours?
11:54:38 <clokep_work> I started on a remake of NickServKiller.
11:54:42 <clokep_work> I forget if it works or not.
11:54:47 <clokep_work> But it did block sounds too. ;)
11:55:33 * clokep_work has no idea about that bug deOmega is seeing in Vertical Tabs. :(
11:55:40 <clokep_work> Well I'm seeing it too, but it doesn't bother me. :-/
11:56:18 <flo> I think I started a remake of NickServKiller too :-D
11:56:41 <flo> and I'll probably make another one soon
11:57:25 <clokep_work> Hah. We should probably put something up on the addons repository instead of all duplicating effort. :P
11:57:37 <Mic> If there's a static message annoying you, it could have a context menu item that allows to blacklist this message? Or at least prevent it from opening a window if there's none yet?
11:57:43 <aleth> Mic: I suppose there is no other way to do it if you want to check if there was an error message or not
11:58:03 <flo> clokep_work: I decided it sucked, and I needed a better conversation handling. I think I've put some of that in a repository somewhere ;).
11:59:02 <flo> my current idea is to put these conversations in the hidden conversation list, and close them automatically when the "you are identified" message arrives (if the conversation is still hidden)
11:59:14 <clokep_work> Yeah I ran into some issues w/ conversation handling too.
11:59:22 <clokep_work> That makes sense. :)
11:59:27 <aleth> Yes :)
11:59:32 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout)
11:59:49 <clokep_work> I'm not sure what ChanServ messages you're getting aleth.
11:59:49 <flo> I still think it needs to be handled by the protocol plugin
12:00:10 <aleth> clokep_work: freenode sends chanserv messages on joining some channels
12:00:13 <flo> clokep_work: in some channels, there's a welcome message that ChanServ /msg you when joining
12:00:40 <clokep_work> Oh, right. I thoguht it implied in the bug you got it on moznet.
12:00:51 <flo> it exists on moznet too
12:00:52 <aleth> No, they were just different examples
12:00:52 <clokep_work> But yeah, #ubuntu does that. Idk what else does...it's annoying haha.
12:00:54 <aleth> One could pipe this to a system message in the channel convo itself
12:00:56 <flo> on #frenchmoz for example I think
12:01:11 <clokep_work> Yeah, probably.
12:01:11 <aleth> The problem is as I hope I mentioned that each instance of annoyance is slightly different technically
12:01:39 <clokep_work> Yeah, we'd need to handle each separately (and I agree flo, by the protocol plug-in).
12:01:46 <flo> we can fight those that annoy *us*, and let other people with other annoyances complain and file bugs :)
12:02:02 <aleth> thats what bugs are for :)
12:02:13 <flo> yep
12:02:34 <clokep_work> In that sense it's really the same as my "handle IRC services" bug. :)
12:02:45 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird
12:03:13 <aleth> Is IRC itself a bug?
12:03:29 <clokep_work> Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean...
12:03:30 <aleth> Guess one is stuck with it
12:03:48 <clokep_work> Luckily freenode and moznet are set up very similarly. :)
12:03:50 <aleth> It's just a hodgepodge of bits and pieces accrued over eons
12:04:10 <aleth> Oh well...
12:04:18 <clokep_work> aleth: http://clokep.blogspot.com/2011/03/so-called-irc-specifications.html :P
12:04:24 <clokep_work> (I've found more since then also btw.)
12:05:35 <aleth> "so-called" :p omg that's even worse than I imagined
12:06:05 <clokep_work> The original specifications are fine (annoying, but they're legit), it's just all the extension that make me want to strangle people.
12:06:08 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1012 to FIXED.
12:06:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1012 nor, --, 1.1a1, florian, RESO FIXED, Regression: missing borders on the contact list
12:06:24 <aleth> Yes, ten different ways to do DCC and so on
12:07:20 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 902 to FIXED.
12:07:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=902 min, --, 1.1a1, clokep, RESO FIXED, Could not read chrome manifest file '[...]\extensions\{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}\chrome.
12:10:29 <clokep_work> :)
12:11:02 <aleth> Thinking more elaborately, would it help (also for the keyboard shortcuts thing) if ib had a (per default hidden) account manager *tab* - which would then have a section for each account which could display (and if necessary allow to interact with) server messages
12:11:58 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/3c369e2974d7 - Florian Quèze - Avoid letting the Contacts window steal the focus back after focusing a conversation window during a click on the unread count of a hidden conversation.
12:11:59 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/77fc053940ed - Patrick Cloke - Bug 902 - Could not read chrome manifest file '[...]\extensions\{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}\chrome.manifest'
12:12:00 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/c1071ffdc4d7 - Florian Quèze - Bug 1012 - Regression from f257ef9adab9: missing borders on the contact list, r=Mic.
12:12:23 <aleth> You could even make it an app tab to differentiate it ;)
12:13:56 <aleth> Still does not make catching/interpreting the messages any easier of course
12:14:18 <clokep_work> I've thought about that a bit before too...but we'd really need one for each tab.
12:14:25 <clokep_work> each account rather, not each tab.
12:15:32 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
12:16:19 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
12:25:52 <Mic> Would that even help with nickserv/chanserv?
12:26:34 --> gmoro_ has joined #instantbird
12:26:35 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Connection reset by peer)
12:38:32 <clokep_work> It's a difficult issue. :(
12:38:49 <clokep_work> The classic thing for IRC clients to do is to show a server tab though, yes.
12:43:18 <clokep_work> How far are we from being able to turn on conversation hiding by default (at least on the nightlies for now, if that's something we want to do)?
12:44:40 <aleth> "/part" should be implemented somehow
12:44:51 <clokep_work> Ah, right.
12:44:57 <aleth> Other than that it works great
12:46:04 <aleth> Though didn't you have a list of blocking bugs?
12:46:54 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
12:47:20 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
12:51:22 <clokep_work> https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Roadmap:1.1 lists one for release...
12:55:29 <aleth> bug 978
12:55:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=978 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tracking bug for "Hiding conversations"
12:59:23 <clokep_work> Right.
13:07:16 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
13:07:52 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
13:12:18 --> mikk_s has joined #instantbird
13:12:49 <-- mikk_s has left #instantbird ()
13:26:36 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
13:27:23 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
13:31:23 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird
13:32:03 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird
13:45:21 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
13:46:03 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird
13:48:32 --> Mic has joined #instantbird
13:48:33 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 
13:49:47 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
14:12:12 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
14:12:53 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
14:36:46 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
14:37:24 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
14:46:25 <-- Mad_Maks has left #instantbird ()
14:55:37 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
14:56:24 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
15:06:30 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird
15:15:57 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
15:16:26 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
15:19:38 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout)
15:37:30 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
15:37:57 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
15:57:13 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
15:57:57 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
16:07:29 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird
16:19:43 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout)
16:24:45 <-- Sarafina has quit (Ping timeout)
16:31:12 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
16:31:19 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
16:32:54 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
16:33:27 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
16:33:27 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
16:33:32 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
16:33:50 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
16:33:59 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
16:37:47 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1014 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
16:37:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1014 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Message style preview in Preferences has context bubble in wrong place
16:40:31 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
16:40:39 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
16:44:13 <clokep_work> That's an unfortunate side affect. :(
16:44:22 <clokep_work> Should be a manner of moving a property and that's it.
16:47:08 <aleth> yup, trivial
16:50:43 <aleth> but I am not sure where it is in the code
16:51:48 <-- flo has quit (Input/output error)
16:52:03 <clokep_work> Want to put up a patch? ;)
16:52:53 <clokep_work> Ah.
16:53:05 <clokep_work> What's the line of text in the sample?
16:53:10 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird
16:53:19 --> flo has joined #instantbird
16:53:19 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 
16:53:31 <clokep_work> You could search for it on lxr: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/
16:53:36 <clokep_work> And that should point you toward the right file. :)
16:53:49 <clokep_work> (I'm sure I can find it for you otherways too, but teach a man to fish...)
16:54:54 <Mook_as> ... and soon you have an ecological crisis on your hands and a depleted lake and extinct fish species
16:55:03 <aleth> lol
16:55:41 <clokep_work> (Alternately all the preference window code lives under http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/preferences/)
16:56:21 <clokep_work> Mook_as: Perhaps we should be teaching people fish farming instead?
16:56:32 <aleth> ah, you probably have the text in the example l10n dependent, that's what I forgot
16:57:10 <clokep_work> Yeah, which means you'd have to jump through hoops (find it in the l10n file, then search for the identifier)
16:58:40 <-- Andrey has quit (Quit: )
17:01:57 <clokep_work> Uhh...doesn't seem so trivial though. :-/
17:06:46 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
17:07:34 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
17:08:40 <flo> hmm, what's the expected behavior here?
17:08:52 <flo> none of the messages should be context messages?
17:09:22 <Mook_as> the context message should be above the, err, non-context message
17:09:28 <Mook_as> (because that's how things usually show up)
17:09:56 <flo> that's the case currently
17:10:04 <flo> the very first message of the conversation is a context message
17:10:09 <flo> others are non-context messages
17:10:35 <flo> eeerr, wait, it's the opposite :(
17:10:37 <Mook_as> (I don't know anything, I don't have a nightly running; I'm just reading bug 1014)
17:10:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1014 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Message style preview in Preferences has context bubble in wrong place
17:24:54 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
17:25:26 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1014 to FIXED.
17:25:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1014 nor, --, 1.1a1, florian, RESO FIXED, Message style preview in Preferences has context bubble in wrong place
17:29:21 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
17:30:06 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
17:31:21 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird
17:31:21 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 
17:32:16 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/4d99670d3a18 - Florian Quèze - Bug 1014 - Message style preview in Preferences has context bubble in wrong place.
17:33:25 <clokep_work> Ah it was trivial. :)
17:36:47 <flo> forEach gives the index of the item in the array as the second argument to the callback
17:37:06 <flo> so 0 (= unread) for the first message, and != 0 (= read) for the following messages
17:39:22 <clokep_work> Ah, that's tricky.
17:39:29 <clokep_work> (Makes sense, just non-obvious.)
17:43:41 <clokep_work> Glad that Sametime seems to be working though. :-D
17:43:47 <clokep_work> Good idea to email people individually.
17:44:29 * BinaryOutcast is now known as MattATobin
17:48:08 * MattATobin is now known as BinaryOutcast
17:48:18 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout)
17:48:51 <flo> one of the french guys I emailed tried too, he had a "Server closed the connection" error on the first try, and then it worked and he had a conversation
17:49:10 <flo> he asked if it supports meetings where one invites several others.
17:49:40 <flo> I don't think that's supported but I told him he can try to see if Files->Join Chat does something useful
17:50:27 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout)
17:51:13 <clokep_work> I don't think chats are supported.
17:53:15 <-- ecaron has left #instantbird ()
17:54:11 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
17:54:37 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
17:55:16 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird
18:01:07 <flo> Have a nice week-end all :). (I'll be offline most of the week-end).
18:01:56 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
18:02:12 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird
18:09:49 <aleth> haha, I was away and was just about to say I had to eat my words about it being trivial... 
18:10:01 <aleth> but it's already been fixed in the interim
18:10:22 <Mook_as> don't worry, it's only trivial if you happen to be flo ;)
18:11:08 <aleth> he breathes the code ;)
18:16:38 <clokep_work> Didn't the user say he upgraded in that email though or did I read it wrong?
18:17:28 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Ping timeout)
18:18:55 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
18:19:42 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
18:30:54 --> jb has joined #instantbird
18:32:01 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
18:32:03 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
18:36:52 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird
18:36:57 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
18:36:59 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
18:39:48 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
18:39:51 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
18:47:56 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
18:48:42 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
18:51:11 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird
18:51:23 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
18:51:26 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
18:58:56 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout)
19:05:13 <-- werwolf has quit (Quit: '< auuuuuuuuuuuuuuu)
19:06:06 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
19:06:42 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
19:06:59 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
19:07:04 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
19:12:51 --> gmoro__ has joined #instantbird
19:12:52 <-- gmoro_ has quit (Quit: Leaving)
19:17:42 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird
19:19:41 --> waynenguyen1 has joined #instantbird
19:21:05 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout)
19:31:03 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
19:31:43 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
19:40:53 <-- waynenguyen1 has quit (Ping timeout)
19:43:23 <-- ecaron has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
19:43:57 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
19:56:47 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird
19:58:33 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
19:59:14 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
20:16:58 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
20:17:46 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
20:42:10 --> clokep has joined #instantbird
20:42:10 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 
20:47:45 <-- gmoro__ has quit (Quit: Leaving)
20:50:21 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
20:50:54 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
20:54:56 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Ping timeout)
21:00:52 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird
21:09:18 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
21:09:56 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
21:28:57 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Connection reset by peer)
21:29:18 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
21:29:58 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
21:30:02 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird
21:32:13 <-- jb has left #instantbird ()
21:33:46 --> jb1 has joined #instantbird
22:06:13 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird
22:08:23 <-- jb1 has quit (Ping timeout)
22:15:29 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird
22:20:43 <-- werwolf has quit (Ping timeout)
22:22:48 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
22:23:31 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
22:28:52 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird
22:47:42 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout)
22:48:07 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
22:48:33 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
22:49:02 <-- Nitrox has quit (Quit: Connection to internet lost)
22:53:02 <-- werwolf has quit (Ping timeout)
22:54:43 --> werwolf has joined #instantbird
23:01:00 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
23:01:04 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
23:07:01 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
23:07:34 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
23:11:41 <-- werwolf has quit (Ping timeout)
23:29:14 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
23:38:34 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
23:44:08 <-- sabret00the_ has quit (Connection timed out)
23:44:34 --> sabret00the_ has joined #instantbird
23:46:42 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
23:46:46 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
23:52:34 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
23:52:37 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
23:53:58 --> clokep has joined #instantbird
23:53:59 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 
23:55:52 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
23:57:02 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
23:57:16 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird
23:57:26 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
23:57:28 --> aleth has joined #instantbird
23:59:48 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre)
23:59:51 --> aleth has joined #instantbird