#instantbird log on 08 15 2011

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06:16:05 <Mic> Good morning
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11:44:27 <clokep_work> Hello.
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13:01:23 <evilpie> hey guys, just installed instantbird
13:01:27 <evilpie> i think i am going to like it
13:01:36 <evilpie> except some weird stuff in the irc client
13:03:21 <evilpie> icq does't like ssl
13:04:21 <clokep_work> evilpie: I don't think ICQ supports SSL anymore.
13:04:24 <clokep_work> In any client.
13:04:51 <evilpie> wow uncool
13:04:52 <clokep_work> If you use the same settings from Pidgin it should work. ;)
13:05:19 <clokep_work> Yeah they moved a bunch of servers around, etc. Some people reported SSL to work, but none of those settings worked for me.
13:05:25 <clokep_work> So it's a bit fuzzy what's supported right now.
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13:06:50 <evilpie> IRC name list looks like kids birthday party
13:07:46 <clokep_work> Is that good or bad? ;)
13:09:50 <evilpie> just clicked on some link, how to it get back?
13:10:06 <flo> my gtalk account is disconnected with "See Other Host" as the error message. I've absolutely no clue about what that could mean :-S.
13:10:56 <flo> It's from http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libpurple/protocols/jabber/jabber.c#2795
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13:13:31 <clokep_work> flo: Problems with the GTalk server perhaps? I connected OK this morning though...
13:13:35 <flo> It seems to be a way for the xmpp server to tell the client it should reconnect on a different host
13:13:47 <flo> seems completely stupid for the client to show that message in the UI
13:13:55 <clokep_work> Yeah, I just saw that...kind of a useless error message though -- shouldn't it connect automagically to the new one?
13:14:19 <flo> yes
13:14:27 <flo> and it's even more stupid that this error is marked as fatal
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13:14:42 <flo> if it wasn't, we would just auto-reconnect 1s later...
13:14:58 * flo wonders how come evilpie is on 0.3a1
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13:20:01 <flo> clokep_work: by the way, how ready-for-inclusion was your sameplace work?
13:20:42 <clokep_work> flo: It compiles and shows up in Instantbird, but I don't have access to a Sameplace server to test it + I have no idea how to get the translations.
13:20:47 <flo> was there anything left to do in addition to generating the l10n file and finding someone with a test account?
13:20:53 <clokep_work> (I tried playing w/ your sh script a bit, but couldn't figure it out... :-/)
13:21:14 <clokep_work> Just making sure it compiles on Mac/Linux and making sure my fixes for Windows aren't very stupid. :)
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13:21:50 <flo> clokep_work: you just need to: cd tools/l10n/; ./make-pot-file.sh; python convert-purple-po-files-to-properties-files.py
13:22:08 <flo> it will complain about some files not found, but it will produce the en-US file before failing
13:22:32 <flo> "making sure my fixes for Windows aren't very stupid" that part would require a diff ;)
13:23:59 <flo> I need to automate a bit more the libpurple update script around translations, so that it becomes trivial to do even for people who didn't write the scripts ;)
13:24:15 <clokep_work> flo: OK, I can try to produce the en-US stuff at least. :) Does that expect the libpurple sources to be in a particular location though?
13:24:41 <flo> it expects them to be in the tree
13:24:53 <flo> hmm, there may be a line to add in some configuration file (no sure)
13:25:16 <clokep_work> Hmm....OK...
13:25:18 <flo> and you definitely need to make the update script stop removing the "meanwhile" folder ;)
13:25:46 <clokep_work> Haha, yes. That would probably help. :-D
13:25:49 <flo> but if the l10n file is the only thing that remains, I can handle it (and hopefully improve the scripts someday)
13:26:00 <clokep_work> You can search for "XXX MSVC Hack" to see the change,s but I can get you real diff at some point.
13:27:17 <flo> for the prpl part just running the libpurple update script can produce a diff
13:27:38 <clokep_work> Most of the changes were in meanwhile, not in libpurple.
13:27:39 <flo> for the changes you made to the meanwhile library, I've no automated way to see it (would need to download the original source tarball and diff the folders)
13:28:39 <clokep_work> No, I have the code I changed commented out directly above my version.
13:29:20 <clokep_work> But as I said, I can give you a diff over the folders (since I do have it downloaded at home). ;)
13:29:23 <clokep_work> But I can't do it right now.
13:30:55 <flo> I can grep it then :)
13:31:11 <flo> no rush, we aren't releasing today
13:31:24 <clokep_work> Yup. :) Don't want to forget about it though haha.
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13:31:35 <clokep_work> Yeah, I left them in so I could refer to them again. Sorry that that wasn't clear. :-D
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13:54:25 <clokep_work> flo: deOmega (via email) suggested we do a blog post about some of the feedback we've received about the 1.0 release (i.e. why we think certain features should be in extensions and maybe some other things).
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14:02:46 <clokep_work> I've checked over the JS XMPP code, it looks pretty good, although it seems set up so you can use it to make a new "protocol" but can't just add features to every XMPP proto. :(
14:04:50 <flo> I'm afraid there's some hacking left to do for it to be really extensible
14:11:38 <clokep_work> :(
14:12:02 <clokep_work> I started making a list of things left to do for IRC before it can be included btw. :)
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15:24:01 <flo> clokep_work: cool. will that list be on the wiki or bugzilla? :)
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15:33:15 <clokep_work> Some of it is on bugzilla, right now it's in a text file since it's just some random notes.
15:33:26 <clokep_work> I think a few of it might depend on things that are blocking me.
15:33:47 <clokep_work> (I.e. JS protocols truly knowing their state...or I can do the same hack we did for Twitter.)
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15:40:05 <clokep_work> Most of it is handling situations where something unexpected happens (i.e. the server closes the socket).
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18:05:09 <clokep_work> evilpie: We noticed you're running Instantbird 0.3a1, Instantbird 1.0 is out -- you should upgrade.
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18:58:48 <Mic> Good evening
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