#instantbird log on 08 08 2011

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06:56:43 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 963 filed by salvetore@gmail.com.
06:56:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=963 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Participants links do not open conversation window correctly
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07:57:35 <Mic> Hello.
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09:04:00 <Mic> :)
09:04:24 * Mic has patched his Instantbird to not remove accounts until the account manager is closed. 
09:04:36 <Mic> And the displayed Undo-link actually works :)
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09:28:27 <flo> Mic: you still disconnect the removed account immediately though? :)
09:30:25 <Mic> No, I don't disable actions like double clicking to connect either yet.
09:30:46 <Mic> It was rather to figure out how difficult it is to do it
09:30:58 <Mic> And .. it's easy :)
09:33:33 <Mic> I'm setting an attribute "tobedeleted" on the account and clean up "onclose" + a bit of css and a few xul elements to display the message
09:35:19 <flo> if you use a different xbl binding for to-be-deleted accounts, aren't all the actions prevented already?
09:36:36 <Mic> I could do that too
09:36:57 <Mic> I also wonder whether I should add the delete-code to the account manager or into the account itself
09:37:27 <flo> where is it currently?
09:40:11 <Mic> In gAccountManager.close() in accounts.js (downside: doesn't work yet when using the x-button to close the dialog yet since it's only called for key events and the close button and not "onclose" in general)
09:42:05 <Mic> Would it help to move the deletion code into the |destroy| method of the account?
09:43:41 <Mic> if that's code that is reliably called when an account element goes away (and therefore hopefully when the account manager is closed)
09:44:09 <Mic> Maybe I better put the code somewhere before discussing such things ;)
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09:45:16 <Mic> Here's a more or less fancy screenshot: http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1492/ibundodelete.png
09:45:16 <flo> you should also check that your really-delete code is called when quitting the application
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09:46:13 <flo> shouldn't the protocol icon still be visible (using the small version maybe?)
09:47:14 <Mic> I should request feedback from ux for that maybe? :P Ahem, .. ok.
09:47:22 <flo> by the way, if you start hacking in account.xml, you may want to clean it up. It should use only one label or description tag, instead of the 4 label + 2 description we currently have. (this should also fix bug 215)
09:47:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215 min, P5, 0.2, florian, RESO FIXED, [Accessibility] "Connected Connecting Disconnected Disconnecting" are shown on the account item
09:48:52 <flo> well, fix it without the "hack" we checked in
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09:54:08 <Mic> ok, let's see. My biggest problem is that I'm currently using different computers and no an own that I can customize to my liking.. so setting up dev stuff is a bit of a problem ;)
09:54:42 <Mic> I've got hg installed on another so I can create patches there atleast
09:56:30 <flo> Mic: I also have a computer problem. The computer where I started my conversation handling work no longer has a graphic card, as I had to take it out to "fix" my father's computer whose graphic card is dead :-/.
09:56:56 <flo> I ordered a new one, but it probably won't be delivered before a few days
09:57:05 <Mic> Oh, that's bad. Can't you log in from remote until then?
09:57:52 <flo> I don't think it would boot without any graphic card
09:58:22 <Mic> The BIOS complaining or the OS?
09:58:24 <flo> hmm, maybe I could put in the dead one and use ssh -X :-D
09:59:05 <Mic> I remember that an old Windows version (XP?) refused to start without a graphics card
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11:23:09 <douglaswth> /ignore doesn't work?
11:24:10 <EionRobb> not if its your coworker and he's sitting next to you and he's flicking you with his pen.  /ignore never works then
11:24:55 <Moonlight> =)
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11:57:26 <clokep_work> Hello. :)
11:57:33 <clokep_work> If bug 963 is actually happening...that's bad. :-/
11:57:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=963 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Participants links do not open conversation window correctly
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13:53:18 <Mic> Anyone knows if Facebook supports offline messages via their XMPP gateway since they have this new unified messaging system (i.e. since they do no longer really distinguish between PMs and chats anymore).
13:53:48 <Mic> (I'll try if nobody knows)
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13:57:24 <clokep_work> Mic: "new unified messaging system"...you have a link about that at all?
14:08:29 <Mic> No, not that I would know of such a post. I only called it that since their web chat and the messaging system seems to be pretty integrated now
14:11:19 <Mic> It's more an observation than anything else..
14:14:51 <clokep_work> Oh...sorry, I get what you're saying now. :)
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14:15:13 <clokep_work> I read that as "PMs and MUCs", instead of "IM and messaging".
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14:51:24 <clokep_work> Also, I'm pretty sure if they're offline it sends it as a message Mic. :)
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16:32:32 <flo> I think sending an IM to someone offline works
16:32:57 <flo> but I also think it used to work before if the message was sent within a few minutes of the contact going offline
16:37:32 <Mic> hmm, it works. Nevermind then,
16:37:44 <Mic> "then."
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18:15:00 <Moonlight> another idea, maybe it would be useful to make hotkey for diallog window that will show main window (that one with buddies)
18:15:16 <Moonlight> or you already have one but i don`t know where to look for it )
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19:12:44 <Moonlight> where can i see the whole list of hotkeys? maybe it is somewhere in instantbird
19:15:23 <Mic> There's none.
19:15:47 <Mic> You can find some on the menus and others are the usual stuff (copy/paste/..).
19:16:15 <Mic> F2 for aliasing contacts
19:16:51 <Mic> ctrl+<number 0 to 9> to access tab <number in tab bar> directly
19:17:18 <Mic> It's rather 1-9, not 0-9
19:17:22 <clokep_work> We have a bug for them not being discoverable.
19:17:32 <Moonlight> i`ve posted an idea above
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19:17:38 <Moonlight> i can repost it
19:17:41 <Moonlight> ow
19:17:44 <Moonlight> okay...
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19:18:34 <Moonlight> 21:14:48 - Moonlight: another idea, maybe it would be useful to make hotkey for diallog window that will show main window (that one with buddies)
19:18:43 <Moonlight> Mic, what do you think?
19:19:10 <Mic> I read the logs ;)
19:19:18 <Moonlight> ahaha)
19:19:22 <Moonlight> sorry
19:19:45 <Mic> np, might be useful sometimes, yes
19:20:45 <Mic> Just file whatever enhancements you can think of in Bugzilla
19:21:10 <Mic> That's more permanent than asking on IRC
19:22:27 <Moonlight> okay, i just want to know someone`s opinion before posting it in bugzilla
19:24:37 <Mic> We can still resolve it as "invalid" or "wontfix" if it turns out to be a bad idea :P
19:24:58 <Mic> Ah, I'm leaving now. Have a nice day/evening
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19:28:15 <clokep_work> Moonlight: Couldn't we just add a page on the website for that?
19:28:57 <Moonlight> for list of hotkeys?
19:31:01 <Moonlight> the first thing i did was searching it on the website, so this is good idea
19:31:10 <Moonlight> somewhere in FAQ
19:31:42 <clokep_work> Yes. (Youc an still file a bug btw.)
19:31:49 <clokep_work> And start working on a list and then we can add it. ;)
19:32:05 <Moonlight> heh )
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19:37:43 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 964 filed by ddr.soul@gmail.com.
19:37:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=964 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, hotkey to call buddy list window
19:39:21 <clokep_work> Bugzilla having trouble for anyone else?
19:39:57 <Moonlight> it works for me fine
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19:44:01 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.com bug 965 filed by ddr.soul@gmail.com.
19:44:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=965 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, full list of hotkeys
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20:07:34 <flo> Command+shift+c ("c" for "contact") shows the buddy list on Mac.
20:14:14 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 966 filed by ddr.soul@gmail.com.
20:14:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=966 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, irc settings in account manager
20:14:57 <Moonlight> enough ideas for today
20:19:00 <Moonlight> flo: unfortunately it doesn`t work for windows
20:19:20 <flo> I said "on Mac" ;)
20:19:43 <Moonlight> well, i had a hope
20:19:57 <flo> I think someone made the Mac shortcut for the account manager work in another bug, or at least requested it.
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20:20:52 <Mook_as> something like http://src.songbirdnest.com/xref/trunk/components/integration/src/win32/GlobalHotkeys.cpp might be more interesting
20:21:15 <Mook_as> (... but has the disadvantage of being a little... too scattered to grab easily)
20:22:41 <flo> it seems to be Windows-only though
20:22:47 <Mook_as> yeah :(
20:22:57 <Mook_as> os-wide hotkeys tend to do that :(
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