#instantbird log on 06 20 2011

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08:37:53 <Mic> Good morning
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09:13:54 <Mic> flo: u there? scnr ;)
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09:14:19 <Mic> I'm getting the bug with the blank contacts again
09:14:43 <Mic> I tried it again and reproduced it two more times.
09:15:17 <Mic> Is there anything you want me to try?
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10:27:05 <flo> Mic: can you reproduce it reliably even after a restart of the application?
10:27:29 <flo> anyway, what are the steps you use? :)
10:29:37 <flo> I'm still having the error 420 issue :(
10:31:28 <clokep> Should we back out my patch then?
10:31:40 <clokep> I wonder if when we get a 420 error we should put a delay on the reconnect.
10:32:00 <clokep> (Also...come to think of it, when we reconnect, are we loading the timelines again?)
10:32:44 <flo> we are
10:32:51 <flo> that's probably why we end up rate limited
10:32:59 <flo> but why are we disconnected in the first place?
10:34:05 <clokep> I have no idea. :-/
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10:54:50 <clokep> I'm getting it again too flo.
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11:10:13 <Mic> flo: I got it again after a restart but I can't reproduce it reliably, that's why I asked if you'd like to have something tested or tried at this moment
11:11:44 <Mic> I've switched to start Chromebug every time now; I tried to get started with its debugger and managed to set a breakpoint and step through some functions.. maybe I can use it in a reasonable way next time I see the problem
11:13:37 <Mic> You can set attribute-change-breakpoints and I tried this on the state-attribute of contacts which worked fine the one time I managed to make Chromebug do what I want;)
11:18:00 <Mic> Ah, let me try something
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11:25:11 <Mic2> I think contacts signing on in collapsed groups are the problem.
11:25:37 <Mic2> Can anyone try these STR himself?
11:26:04 <Mic2> Collapse a group, connect account that has a contact in this group, open group, disconnect account -> blank space
11:27:13 <flo> that could be a different issue.
11:27:51 <flo> (I'm sure it sometimes happen without closing/opening groups)
11:28:04 <Mic2> It does indeed
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11:41:01 <Mic2> The transitionend-event listener is never added when the group was collapsed because we are returning before it is added. It's not added either when the view is un-collapsed:
11:41:01 <Mic2> http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/file/081800f32b6c/instantbird/content/contact.xml#l87
11:41:28 <Mic2> As far as I can tell this is the bug I found there
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11:47:55 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 846 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
11:47:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=846 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Blank spaces when a contact signs off that was in a collapsed group while signing on
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11:54:09 * clokep_work keeps clicking pastebin instead of logs now in the topic header. :(
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12:28:01 <flo> clokep_work: you don't have Firefox with its "awesomebar"?
12:28:20 <flo> I usually just type "lo" and it autocompletes to "log.bezut.info/instantbird/today"
12:31:05 <flo> Mic: nice catch! (even though it's a different bug) :)
12:31:44 <clokep_work> flo: At home I just always have the page open and hit F5 :P
12:31:51 <flo> :)
12:32:10 <flo> on my cell phone it's in the bookmarks so I just touch the thumbnail of the log page :)
12:32:23 <clokep_work> Yes, I have "today" and "yesterday" book marked on my phone too.
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12:53:18 <flo> it would be great to write an add-on to download the page when joining this room, and to automatically integrate the previous messages in the scrollback :)
12:53:35 <clokep_work> Yeah, I've thought about doing it...
12:53:38 <clokep_work> And just haven't haha.
12:55:29 <clokep_work> Let me know if you do. ;)
12:55:42 <flo> it may be easier once the IRC prpl is in JS ;)
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13:44:50 <clokep_work> I'm working on it! It'll be done eventually. :)
13:44:56 <clokep_work> I spent some time yesterday modularizing the code.
13:55:40 <clokep_work> So it's quite a bit more readable and hopefully reliable now.
13:55:51 <clokep_work> Also found a few edge cases of things I fixed.
13:55:56 <clokep_work> I highly doubt I pushed it though. :(
14:07:00 <clokep_work> Interesting comments on the Time Bubbles blog entry...I thought it was kind of obvious that we're making something for the "general" user, and specific cases like that might want to tweak things. :(
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14:55:55 <clokep_work> Did 0.3b1 auto update from 0.3a2 (or 0.2 if previously used a beta)
14:59:42 <flo> from 0.2, no.
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15:00:00 <clokep_work> Even if they check the beta update channel?
15:00:02 <flo> 0.3a1/2->0.3b1 can update
15:00:21 <clokep_work> OK. :)
15:01:03 <flo> you mean if they installed 0.2 and then in about:config set the channel to beta? I don't know the result, but do you really think anybody would have done that? :-D
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15:05:11 <clokep_work> I mean if they installed 0.2beta, wouldn't the channel be set to beta already or do we not do that?
15:06:07 <flo> 0.2beta users received the update to 0.2 final which set the channel back to "release" for them
15:07:36 <clokep_work> Hmm....I don't remember that ever being how it was on Thunderbird/Firefox, but we might have it different. :)
15:07:42 <clokep_work> OK, thanks!
15:08:46 <flo> i've never understood how it worked for Thunderbird/Firefox :)
15:08:57 <flo> and it has definitely changed when the new rapid release thing :)
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15:10:24 <flo> is anybody interested in attempting to debug mintrayr crashes? http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/index/3da6d4c5-a12b-4142-bbaa-255ad2110615
15:10:28 <clokep_work> Haha, yes. Of course. :)
15:11:00 * clokep_work wouldn't even know where to begin. :-/
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15:22:20 * flo wonders if there's still anything worth looking at on https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Roadmap:0.3
15:22:24 <flo> (I still have that tab open)
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15:28:43 <clokep_work> I'm not sure. :-/
15:44:28 <clokep_work> I updated it to add some more check marks. :P
15:44:57 <clokep_work> None of them I see as 100% necessary.
15:45:03 <clokep_work> Except the fix excessively annoying bugs. ;)
15:45:11 <Mic> I added some stuff to the notifications list, I'll do some more on it later today
15:45:23 <Mic> (while we're talking about the wiki;)
15:45:35 <flo> clokep_work:     "Localizable website" is actually necessary ;)
15:45:43 <flo> clokep_work: you forgot the check mark on "Use glass on aero (bug 620 - wanted beta) "
15:45:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=620 enh, --, 0.3b1, benediktp, RESO FIXED, Use Glass on Aero (Windows Vista and 7)
15:47:44 <clokep_work> Ah, yes. I skipped that section.
15:48:17 <clokep_work> Mic: Did you add it to Mook's trunk notifications page?
15:48:23 <Mic> Yes
15:48:29 <clokep_work> Good. :)
15:53:09 <flo> doesn't this icon look better than what we currently have for the IRC protocol plugin? http://adium.im/images/services/icon-irc.png
15:54:30 <Mic> Our other icons are flat while this one is foreshortened
15:54:44 <clokep_work> IRC is just the little bubble, right?
15:54:58 <clokep_work> Ithink IRC could use a better icon, but I'm not sure that one is it. :-/
15:55:12 <Mic> The two/three grey bubbles
15:55:28 <Mic> (not the single-bubble-icon that we have to start chats)
15:55:39 <Mic> *two bubbles
15:55:54 <Mic> (three are MUC's in general?)
15:57:51 <clokep_work> I think so, yes.
15:59:45 <Mic> Sorry for OT posting, but I'm once more impressed by WolframAlpha: 
15:59:55 <Mic> It answers things like "((8900 Forint) to Euro (Feb 2005))"
16:00:26 <clokep_work> Haha, that's pretty neat. :)
16:01:03 <clokep_work> Too bad there isn't a real logo for IRC, that'd make it easy. :-D
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16:42:08 <flo> editing HTML+CSS code is painful :(
16:45:26 <clokep_work> Website stuff?
16:46:01 <flo> yeah, I'm trying to update the fontpage
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16:47:23 <flo> floating blocks are tricky ;)
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16:49:29 <clokep_work> Yes, they can be.
16:55:31 * clokep_work wonders what on the front page is floating.
16:55:36 <clokep_work> Seems rather grid like to me. :)
17:03:40 <flo> "table" is deprecated in HTML when used for placing boxes ;)
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17:13:41 <clokep_work> Hah, touche. But you can just put two divs next to each other w/o floating them I believe.
17:14:33 <flo> I don't think so (or maybe with display: inline and a fixed width?), but anyway, I'm not trying to change it completely ;)
17:16:13 <clokep_work> I don't remember. HTML is so frustrating haha.
17:16:52 <flo> I'm looking for a "tweet" button and the same for facebook
17:16:57 <flo> (both at the same size)
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17:19:23 <clokep_work> Does Twitter & Facebook not provide those?
17:19:32 <flo> I don't know :)
17:31:02 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/ib.com-0.3-WIP1.png thoughts? :)
17:31:43 <clokep_work> Looks good! :)
17:31:47 <clokep_work> Do the icons have tooltips?
17:32:20 <flo> yes :)
17:32:49 <flo> I added the prpl icons, the "share" line, and the RSS icon (which is a link, of course)
17:34:13 <clokep_work> Yup, looks nice. :)
17:34:22 <clokep_work> That will close a bug too. ;) (The RSS icon I believe has a bug.)
17:37:24 <igorko> 1.0 ? maybe 0.3 for now? ;)
17:37:40 <flo> it's $latest_major_version; anyway ;)
17:38:25 <flo> hmm, or 0.2
17:38:28 <igorko> so you are hiding 1.0 from us? :p
17:38:55 <flo> except the "twitter" icon in the list of protocols, it seems all these changes can go live now, even without releasing
17:39:55 <clokep_work> if $latest_major_version > 0.2 around the twitter icon? ;)
17:40:31 <flo> I can just remove (or comment) that line, and change it again with the commit that will add 0.3 stuff
17:41:04 <clokep_work> That works too! :)
17:41:22 <flo> do you think I should push these changes today?
17:42:49 <clokep_work> I don't really see why you should wait, unless you want to do some "Let's release and update the website!" deal.
17:44:33 <Mic> Nice, but a bit packed.
17:45:34 <Mic> I'd put some extra space between the connect-to block and the Instantbird logo as well as the never-been-easier block below
17:46:17 <Mic> hmm, I'm afraid it would be problematic with the height of the image :(
17:47:32 <flo> Mic: the problem is we wanted to have the "What's new?" and the "Add-ons" parts have at least their title (and if possible the title of the first item) visible on a standard screen of 800px (lots of laptops have 1280*800px screens)
17:49:17 <igorko> flo do you already have screenshot from win7 with aero?
17:49:29 <igorko> for windows main page
17:49:31 <flo> I think I would prefer having the screenshot under the logo/name (so that it would seem it's the title of the screenshot), and have the blahblah + download button on the right column
17:49:43 <flo> igorko: we don't have any updated screenshot yet
17:49:48 <flo> (for none of the OSes)
17:50:01 <igorko> i don't have Aero :(
17:50:13 <igorko> so anyone make cool aero screenshot please
17:50:28 <Mic> igorko: there'll be Aero screenshots! :)
17:50:37 <flo> once we have decided what's going to be screenshot, we will do our best to have the exact same thing taken from XP, Win-aero, Mac OS X, and "current" ubuntu.
17:51:35 <flo> I looked quickly and it seems we can just update the current screenshots, + add one of an expended contact
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17:52:57 <clokep_work> That should make it pretty easy then.
17:53:25 <flo> that still means I should fix fake to be able to display contacts with several buddies ;)
17:53:47 <flo> as they are now visible in the contact list, we should ensure some of the displayed contacts have a status text
17:56:56 <clokep_work> Ah, yes. :) We should do that.
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18:10:02 <flo> http://instantbird.com/
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18:12:12 <clokep_work> Isn't it Yahoo! Messenger? ;)
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18:14:32 <Mic> With Firefox 4, bookmark bar and Appbutton (no menubar then) you barely can see the top of the rss icon on 1366x768 btw
18:15:10 <Mic> I think it would be good if the Coming-soon-text would go away with no replacement then
18:15:40 <Mic> That would make the icon fully visible (I think 1366x768 is also quite popular)
18:16:40 * clokep_work can see plenty on his 1920 x 1080 screen. ;)
18:17:03 <Mic> hehe, /me too
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18:38:38 <clokep_work> Also...who uses the bookmarks bar? ;)
18:40:00 <Mic> Isn't it shown by default?
18:40:30 <Mic> And ofcourse I do _not_ use the bookmarks bar ;)
18:46:29 <clokep_work> I don't think it is starting in Fx 4.
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19:05:31 <Mic> bah, even more tld's :( I start to wonder if a category based system would have been a better idea
19:09:07 <clokep_work> "category" based?
19:09:18 <clokep_work> I just wish they had put the addresses as the creator wanted...
19:09:31 <clokep_work> scheme://tld.domain.subdomain.etc.
19:13:05 <Mic> naa, a bit of rtl for everyone ;)
19:13:19 <Mic> I can explain the categories later, gtg
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19:14:01 <clokep_work> Haha, I just don't like that it's rtl for domains and ltr for the directories in a domain. :P
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